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A95782 An information for Mr. William Dell the (right reformer) as he is pleased to stile himself: (being the first to our best remembrance that ever assumed that title.) Or, An answer to his reply upon Mr. Loves contradictions. Together with the answer unto his epistle dedicatory to the Parliament. / By Umfrevile. Umfrevile, William. 1646 (1646) Wing U26; Thomason E367_10; ESTC R201269 16,565 31

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AN INFORMATION FOR M R. WILLIAM DELL THE RIGHT REFORMER As he is pleased to stile himself being the first to our best remembrance that ever assumed that TITLE OR An Answer to his Reply upon Mr. LOVES CONTRADICTIONS Together with the Answer unto his Epistle Dedicatory to the PARLIAMENT By Umfrevile LONDON Printed for the better edification of Mr. Dels selected and peculiar people 1646. AN ANSVVER UNTO M R. WILLIAM DELL THE RIGHT REFORMER His Epistle Dedicatory TO THE PARLIAMENT SIR your Epistle Janus-like hath two faces one looks toward the Parliament to make them yours the other toward your selves to make yours theirs in your Sermon you break their heads in your Epistle you binde them up You flatter them with a seeming voluntary acknowledgement of their power and your free submission thereunto in your assertion of the power of the Gospel you utterly enfeeble it how comes it I pray to passe that the just power of Magistracy is not consistent with the Kingdome of Christ and why may not the one support the other seeing that both ought to be held of Divine Right and institution Touch not mine anointed by all the expossions of the best that ever exposited is meant of both But Mr. Dell q●●●ore with what ●●ce durst you terme the Presbyterian Government not onely here establisht by Authority of the High Court of Parliament but made choyce of erected constituted embraced maintained and submitted unto from the very dawning of the Gospel and departure from Romes Idolatry by all the Reformed Churches of Christendome as That of France Germany Scotland the Netherlands Poland Sweadland Geneua c. who all Vna voce have approved of this Discipline and Government as the most consonant to the word and most opposite to the Romish Hierarchie in that none but Priests ruling the Rost this consisting of a mixed temper of Ministers and Lay-Elders one poysing and balancing the too much powerfull influence of the other How durst you I say give the reignes so farre unto your Anarchicall passion or rather fury as to call the said Government The last prop of Antichrist in this Kingdome yea and that to the very face of those that were by their power not onely the promoters but onely erectors of it Hath the Parliament Mr. Dell no better credit with you than to be esteemed the Erectors of the last prop of Properie in this Kingdome for these six years space Tantum sudavit alsit in the pulling down of Popery and of late in lieu of recompence have they given it new props Truely Sir I fear me very few of that honourable House like no better of your Epistle then they did of your Sermon if any doe I must needs confesse that I feare it the more and whether a man may more wonder at Mr. Dells impudence or ignorance I cannot say who indevoureth to indeare the Parliament unto him by scandalizing and disparaging the Government now generally thorough-out the whole Kingdome established by them and not that temerè ex improviso but after long demurring serious consultation deliberate debate neither without the advice and counsell of the best and choycest Divines throughout the Reformed Churches and especially of the Kirk of Scotland our united Brethren and the better to gaine credit unto his designe Mr. Dell doth his utmost to increase the dislike that some perhaps in the Parliament might have against this already setled Government he sticks not to write that it threatens even the Parliament to dispute its superiority with them and to make the supreme Magistracy of the Kingdome to stoop under their lore Who would have thought that after so much talk in the Sermon Of the enlargement of Christs Kingdome of the exaltation of the Gospel of Christ the Word of Faith Truth and many the like good things he should fall to such a malicious falsehood in the Epistle Dedicatory charging it with an aime at a power Paramount and predominant over the first Constitutors and Voters of it which how farre swarving from truth let all men judge who have either known or observed the behaviour of such that by election have been interessed in the Presbyterie whether Ministers or Laicks let their deportment I say be duly considered in what dutifull respective manners it ever hath been toward this High Assembly not leaving excepted the Venerable Assembly of Divines who never yet concluded any thing to be published concerning Reformation either in Church matters or in manners but in all humility they first presented it to the view of the Honourable House attending usually at the House of Commons doore and in their Theses submitting themselves sometimes to alteration and limitation alwayes unto approbation of the Honourable Houses which I dare affirm Mr. Dell will not avouth that his Independent and the rest rabble of Sects that crowd themselves under that name either have done or are about to doe for then I think we should hardly have such diversity of Conventicles and diversities of Faiths breached in them by approvement of Parliament as at this day we have so notoriously known unto all That in one street in London every Childe shall lead you to three And where you shall have such stuffe commended to you by way of Divine inspiration to be beleeved and taken up as dogniatical points of Faith and with a 〈…〉 none of Gods children not comprehended in the Buttery scrowle of election in case of refusall That a man which hath onely the usuall knowledge of the ordinary principles of Christian Religion if not out of mockage yet out of a feeling compassion must needs say having heard them Surely the blinde leads the blinde into the ditch Another passage in Mr. Dells Epistle Dedicatorie is this He likes not the spirituall power supporting by the temporall it is Anti-Christian he saith and Papisticall Mr Dels assertion smels not much of antiquity as neither his Sect for he may read in the Annals of the Christian Prinitive Church long before any point of Popery was hatched that men notable for sanctity in those times did passionately implore the aid and inte●mise of the sword temporall toward the defence of the true Christian verity and the depressing yea extirpating of known Heresies as in the businesse of that Arch-Heretick Arius and some that are of the Independent crue hold the same damnable tenents or else they have much wrong all men know that Constantine the great interposed his authority more then in any thing else and not onely his authority but his Paines in the extinguishing and condemning of that Heresie or otherwise it had spread its contagion farther and with a more peremptory Vogue and moreover if there had beene nothing worse found among the late Bishops then that saying no Bishop no King nor more displeasing to God or impeaching the progresse of the Gospell for ought I know they might have stood still although Master Dell may be pleased to be put in minde that he whose familiar speech it was no
shall be no replier for me Master Love informed that Honorable Audience no more then the world knowes that you not only snarle and barke at but would bite and reare in peeces all Christian Civill Discipline and Church Regiment if you could Master Love proceeds and tells you as if all were comprehended within the narrow heart of man and very well truly for if every mans heart may passe for his owne acquittance and none should judge and controule our outward conversation and behaviour but our selves men would quickly have the title of the play in their mouthes A mad world my Masters But to this Master Dell replies When the heart is reformed all is reformed from top to toe no such matter Master Dell though the heart be reformed yet all may not be reformed Master Love accuseth you rightly enough yet Master Dell men may observe in these times as bad beleevers and good men namely many Religious and Votaries as they call them in the Church of Roome both men and women divers of them leading most innocent and harmelesse lives and which if the roote from which they spring were right might justly be tearmed holy So on the contrary true beleevers and none of the best livers Some wonderfully I dare say enlightned yea and inspired with the Spirit of God who I will be bold to say had from God a large share of saving Graces I and in whole hearts I write it with confidence the Spirituall kingdome of Christ was certainly by himselfe erected Yet of their living very loose that I may not say scandalous as these men passe downe the streames of this life and in the stearing of their course approach too neare the Anchors or Sands of offence whereby they are in danger to be either split by the one or Swallowed up by the other would not the publicke and visible Boye of discipline established in the Church point unto these men the true Chanell of a righter and safer conversation and shall we bring a Text or two of Scripture to confirme this Our Saviour in the Gospell as touching an obstinate and refractorie brother said to us expresly dic Ecclesiae and in case of refusall to submit in all dutifull obedience unto it whether for admonition or censure according to the nature of the failing Sit tibi tanquam Ethnicus et Publicanus What is this Church but the chosen and selected members the heads of the Tribes as I may so call them men Eminent for pietie and Signall abilities of government and discretion which are constituted and set up by the whole Christian Congregation and Assemblie whether Nationall or Provinciall Ad causas cognoscendas to judge of order direct reforme yea censure too if need so require the exorbitant swarvings of their inferior and younger brethren and what meanes Dic tell but complaine if no other remedy if private admonition will not suffice si longius Serpit malum if he proceedes in detrimentum totius if by his stife-neckednesse others also may or do fall into carelesnesse Why Dic Ecclesiae ut Curet illa ne res-publica Christiana inde damno afficiatur that the sinnews of the Churches body be not thereby loosen'd The Apostle Saint Paul in the close of one of his Epistles gives expresse order to marke such as walked disorderly What meant he by those words marke such Surely some Emphasis some restraining coercive power was in them But doth Master Dell and his Peripatetick Comrade that walking I doe not say Wandering light Master Hugh Peters the miraculous new Gospeller That famous Centaure or Horsebacke Preacher do these two great Pillars of this late forged building the new peculiar people of God presume to say and preach likewise that they have no need of any outward Government they These men have no durt no not upon their clothes they much lesse in their skin Gods chosen amongst whom can be found neither blur nor blot they and then I pray what need of any Church Government on them I mean these Darlings and Favorites of God who have as great an impossibility from erring as the Pope They are so farre in Gods bookes that they can hardly get out Homines omni exceptione Majores they I remember that sometime the Lacedemomans boasted that they had not any Whores amongst them no by no meanes they yet by the Lawes of their State they were permitted Concubitum promiscuum every man to hold his Neighbours wife as deare as his owne and so in honest plaines they were all Whores I will forbeare application at this time Mr. Love infers the racing our the first Article of the Covenant from Mr. Dells positions if they took place and well he might make such an inference for that Article obligeth me besides other things to maintain a Discipline in our Church conformable unto the Discipline of the best Reformed Churches of Christendome and namely to that of Scotland Mr. Dell to this Replies That he had rather the whole Covenant were raced out then the least truth contained in the word of God Mr. Dell by these words seems to have a minde to set Gods word and the Covenant together by the ears as if they were opposita at the least if not contraria that they could not both well cotten and were Mr. Dells power as good as his will I should be loath to trust him foenum enim portat in cornu but God sends hungeing cattle short hornes this game is too strong for Mr. Dell he will give it over there may be danger in it the Fox loves no Grapes not he Mr. Dell bath better remembred himself complies and tels you That he likes the Covenant well enough does he does he I am very glad of it but stay Mr. Dell hath not done yet give him leave I pray to say out his say Mr. Dell doth not like the Covenant absolute simpliciter he hath never a well or well enough for it in that sense how then why marry he likes the Covenant well enough according to the true pretention of it oh now I see the Asses ears through the Lions skin for what I pray was not this a principall intention of the Covenant to linke the new Reformed Church of England in the bend of unity not onely of Doctrine but also of outward Discipline and Government with the best Reformed Churches of Christendome and namely with that of our brethren of Scotland this I confesse aperta fronte to be the intention of the Covenant as it is plainely specified in it Mr. Dell doth he like it according to this intention I fear not Mr. Dell. may give the Covenant some construction apart as well as expound the Scripture a part I mean in a sublime illuminated inspired way never heard of before this day and erect a new people apart if it please him But Mr. Dell must have a Reformation according to Gods Word why is the Reformation setled by Covenant not according to the word and shall not more be