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A62157	Some queries proposed, to the monethly meeting of the Quakers at Aberdeen; the sixth day of June, 1700. By Robert Sandilands With their answers thereto; together with some remarks thereupon. Published by authority. To which is prefixed a letter from George Keith, sent to the Quakers in Aberdeen, containing a very serious and Christian expostulation with his old friends, &c.	Sandilands, Robert.; Keith, George, 1639?-1716. aut	1700 (1700)	Wing S663; ESTC R220626	23,403	36

those expressions GOD Man being born of MARIE we do not find them in the Scriptures nor do we read that MARIE was the Mother of GOD but in the Popes Canons Articles c. And what nonsense saith he page 47. ibidem and unscripture Language is this to tell of GOD being co-created with the Father or that GOD hath Glory with GOD doth not this imply two GODS and that GOD had a Father let the Reader judge and page 24. To tell of the Word GOD cocreator with the Father is all one as to tell of GOD being cocreator with GOD if the Father be GOD and this is to make two GODS two Creators c. And thus G. W. opposes the Godhead of CHRIST as he doth his Manhood in other Quotations he also denyes the Glorious Hipostatical Union that it consists of a Human and Divine Nature or that they are hipostatically one See his Christian Quaker page 141. And their Book called A Testimony for the true CHRIST pag. 8. Whereof G. W. is supposed to be the Author they deny the Humanity of CHRIST as Humanity signifies the Earthly Nature of Mans Body as coming from Humus the ground but as Humanity signifies Meekness Gentleness Mercifulness as opposite to Cruelty in this last Sense they own CHRIST's Humanity See the Quotation at large cited in G. Ks. fourth Narrative p. 70. but deny it in the former which is the true Sense of Scripture and of all true Christians And as they deny the Humanity of CHRIST so they deny Divine Worship and Honour to be given to him and consequently denyes his Divinity as William Shewen a noted Writer among them expresly sayes in his Book called a small Treatise concerning evil thoughts p. 37. Not to JESUS the Son of Abraham David and Mary Saint or Angel but to GOD the FATHER all Worship Honour and Glory is to be given Q. 9. Did CHRIST's Natural Body which was Crucified and was Buried rise again And did that Body after his Resurrection ascend into Heaven And is that Body now in Heaven A. We believe that CHRIST's Body which was Crucified and was Buried did rise again and did after his Resurrection being wonderfully glorified ascend to Heaven and is now at the Right Hand of the Majesty on high Heb. 1. 3. R. This Answer if they have no secret reserved meaning in it in all appearance seems Orthodox and agreeable to the Sense of all sound Protestants But the Reader may Compare it with what G. W. sayes in his Nature of Christianity pag. 41. What Scripture proof saith he after his socratical way of writing is there that CHRIST subsisteth outwardly Bodily without us at GOD's Right Hand and where is GOD's Right Hand is it visible or invisible within us or without us onely And is CHRIST a SAVIOUR as an outward Bodily existence or PERSON without Us distinct from GOD and on that Consideration to be Worshipped as GOD yea or nay But John Whitehead a very eminent and ancient Preacher among them is more explicit in his Postscript to a Book called the Quakers Refuge p. 90. I have several times saith he denyed that CHRIST hath now a Body of Flesh and Bone Circumscript or limited in that Heaven which is above and out of every Man on Earth And G. W. in his Light and Life pag. 38. is very plain where he expresly saith the Quakers see no need of directing men to the type for the Antitype viz. Neither to the Outward Temple nor yet to Jerusalem either to JESUS CHRIST or his Blood knowing that neither the Righteousness of Faith doth so direct Rom. 10. Q. 10 Is that Heaven into which CHRIST hath ascended in the true Glorified Nature of Man consisting of Soul and Body without us or within us only And do you own the Man CHRIST JESUS to be without you as well as His spirit and Light within you A We firmly believe that that Heaven unto which CHRIST hath ascended in the 〈◊〉 Glori●●ed Nature of Man 〈…〉 of Soul and Body is without i● and u● do own the Man CHRIST JESUS to be without us as well as His Spirit and Light within us Rom 8 34. Heb. 8. 1. R. This Answer may be compared with what G. F. says in his great mistery p. 214. There is none have a glory and a Heaven but within them Now if there be no glory nor Heaven without us Then how can CHRIST be ascended into a Heaven without us And W. P. redicules the locality of both Heaven and Hell and sayes in his Rejoinder p. 179. To deny it is not very offensive and that it looks too Carnal indeed Mahomitan viz. to assert it W Smith an Antient and Eminent writter among them in his Catechism p. 57. has this Question And is that which is within you the only foundation upon which you stand and the principle of your Religion answer that of GOD within us is so for we know it is CHRIST and being CHRIST it must needs be ONELY and PRINCIPAL for that which is ONELY admits not of another and that which is principal is greatest in being and thus we know CHRIST in us to be unto us the ONELY and the PRINCIPAL Q But do ye hold that this foundation and principle within you is sufficient to eternal Life A. Yes we do so And G. F. in his great mistery p. 248 says to C. Wade The Devil was in thee and thou sayeth thou art saved by CHRIST without thee And G W sayes in truth defending the Quakers p. 65 That Faith in CHRIST without men is contray to the Apolles Doctrine Is this to own the Man CHRIST JESUS to be without us as A. J c asserts they do in their answer Q. 11. Are we Justified and Cleansed from Sin by the Blood of CHRIST that was outwardly shed And are we sanctified by that Blood meritoriously as by His Spirit Grace and Light in us efficiently A. We answer affirmatively R. With this affirmative answer may be compared R. Bs 7 proposition in his a pology p of his works 264 As many sayeth he as resit not this Light viz. the Light within but reserve the same it becomes in them a Holy Pure and Spiritua 〈◊〉 bringing so the Holiness Righto●sness 〈◊〉 and all those 〈…〉 fruits which are acceptable to GOD by which Holy Birth viz JESUS CHRIST formed within us and working His works in us as we are Sanctified so 〈…〉 in the ●ight of GOD according to 1 Cor. 6. 11. Here Justification and Sanctification are intirely 〈◊〉 to CHRIST the Light within and there is not one word of the outward CHRIST or his outward Blood outwardly shed Let the Reader also consider what he delivers as his 3 position in p. 370 viz That since good works as naturally flow from this Birth as heat from Fire therefore are they of absolut necessity to Justification as Causa sine qua non i. e. tho not as the Cause for which yet as that in which we are and

SOME QUERIES Proposed to the Monethly Meeting of the Quakers at ABERDEEN the sixth Day of June 1700. By ROBERT SANDILANDS With their ANSWERS thereto together with some Remarks thereupon Published by Authority To which is Prefixed a Letter from GEORGE KEITH sent to the Quakers in ABERDEEN Containing a very serious and Christian Expostulation with his Old Friends c. Gal. 4. 16. Am I therefore become Your Enemy because I tell You the Truth ABERDEEN Printed by IOHN FORBES Printer to the CITY and UNIVERSITY To the Right Honourable THOMAS MITCHEL Lord Provost Bailies ALEXANDER RAGG ALEXANDER FORBES ALEXANDER KER ALEXANDER PATON IOHN LESLIE Dean of Gild WILLIAM CROWDEN Thesaurer And to the rest of the Honourable Council of the City of ABERDEEN RIGHT HONOURABLE THE Hereditary Tyes I am under to the City of Aberdeen of which my Father was Recorder several years wherein many of my Friends Live and some whereof have been Honoured with the most eminent Posts in the Magistracy and of which I my self am a Native and Burger are so strong that they need no new motives to raise and preserve in me the greatest Honour and the most sincere Love for the Place And ye who are the present worthy Governours hereof have surpriz'd me with such new favours and Personal Obligations since my last Return to your City that nothing but a publick acknowledgment can secure me against the Reproach of Ingratitude Those Shelves on which I and many well designing but seduced Christians had Shipwrack'd the true Faith could not be sufficiently guarded against nor those who are already fallen into fatal delusions recovered and restored otherwayes then by exposing to the impartial view of the World the gross and vile Errours that ly couched under the mask of Divine Illuminations and the palpable Contradictions that are maintained by different parties of that Society which pretends to be guided and influenced in every point by the unerring Spirit of Infinite Wisdom And as Love to Christianity and Charity to the Souls of others has induced me first to Propose and then to publish the following Queries and Remarks so I cannot in Justice conceal your Forwardness and Zeal to Countenance and encourage me in vindication of the Truth and to allow what ever might be of use to me in defence of the Truth which I have endeavoured to doe with the greatest simplicity And that GOD may strengthen you and raise up others to be valiant for Truth and Holiness shall ever be the hearty Prayer of Right Honourable Your Most Obliged and Obedient Servant ROBERT SANDILANDS To the Christian Reader SEEing it hath graciously pleased Almighty GOD in his Infinite Mercy to discover to me as well as many more in England who for sometime had lived in communion with the People called Quakers those many gross Errours that were maintained in Print by their Chief Teachers which nevertheless I my self never owned but alwayes sincerely believed the most necessary fundamental Truths of Christianity profest in common by all PROTESTANTS though I must confess I was so far misled as to believe that more stress was to be laid on the Light within then on Faith in an outward Crucified JESUS c. I therefore judged my self bound in Conscience not only to separat from them but also to return to this my Native Countrey where I first joined with them and there give a publick Testimony to the Truth and endeavour in the Strength of the LORD to satisfie my old Friends and Relations that as I erred through ignorance and unbelief never knowing nor being any way perswaded till of late that such gross Errours were owned by them which if I had in the least suspected I think I should never have been prevailed with to have joined with them So I hope that the Quakers both here and else where who are sincere and honest hearted when they are made sensible of and discover the same which they may doe by impartially searching as I have done their own authentick writtings shall be of one mind with me and with me also obtain mercy so as to have reason to magnifie the Infinite Goodness and Love of GOD in CHRIST JESUS our LORD Of this I conceive the more hopes since I got the Answers of the Principal Quakers of the last Monethly Meeting at Aberdeen given to some Queries proposed by me at that Meeting both which together with some Remarks on their said Answers are here Printed by Authority of the Magistrats of Aberdeen and at the desire of some of them as well as the intreaty of my Friends in this place I have been induced to make a short Narrative of what passed before the giving in or Answering the said Queries Soon after my arrival at Aberdeen I had occasion to meet with some of the Quakers whom I discoursed and more particularly A. Jaffray their chief Teacher in this place and in our Conferences together I mention'd some gross passages in W. Penn's Books c. But he being dissatisfied proposed that himself and I with some friends of each side should meet and after these Books were produced it might be seen whether such palpable and gross Errours were vouched in them yea or not Having so soon as possible I could got some of them I wrot to the said A. J. desiring to know when we should meet in answer to which he sent me a very passionat and indiscreet Letter intirely declining the Meeting though he himself first proposed the same and therein acquainted me if I had any thing to say against them I should give it in Write or Print I therefore went to their Monethly Meeting where Alexander Forbes of Craigie and Alexander Patton of Kinnaldie Bailies in Aberdeen with a great many more Persons of good Note were present and there after some short discourse I read the Queries as they are here Printed of which I left a signed Copie with the Quakers and gave another to Bailie Paton to which after some time I at length obtained the Answers which I have hereafter subjoined And that it may appear how groundlesly they lay claim to the immediat and infallible illuminations of the Spirit of GOD which is in all times places and persons the same without contradiction or variation I have annexed some Quotations out of their most approved Writters which most plainly contradict the Doctrine now seemingly owned by A. J. and his Friends These passages I have here adduced are not to be looked upon as the opinions of private Authors among the Quakers but as the Doctrine and Principles maintained by the whole Body of that people in England For their Books are not allowed to be Printed or Re-Printed till first they are approved off by the second days Meeting at London and all such Books so approved off are by an order among them transmitted to other Monethly or Quarterly Meetings c. and there is none that I have made use of have ever been rejected or publickly disapproved by them so far

only in some but in all the fundamental Truths of the Christian Religion but whether A. J. and his Friends have evidenced themselves to be such by their Answers to the Queries before recited I leave that to all impartial and judicious Readers to judge And for a manifest Tryal of the sincerity and soundness of their Faith in those points wherein they seem orthodox and that they have no secret reserved meanings but what is agreeable to the Sense of all sound Protestants it is here proposed to them and which is reasonably expected that they give a publick Testimony in Writing against those erroneous passages and positions as they are here set down as before and quoted out of their approved and antient Friends Books which plainly contradicts their own orthodox Answers They are obliged I think either to own or else to disown these errors the latter I hope they will ingeniously doe as being no Respecter of Persons For the Truth must be owned and preferred before all things and persons tho never so near or dear to us And unless A. J. c. doe this their sincerity will still be suspected notwithstanding all their great Pretences As for their saying we are not bound in Reason to receive the Testimony of an avowed Adversary against our Brethren as I would not be imposed upon in such weighty concerns so I doe not impose my Testimony upon them but have fairly and sincerely laid before them their own antient and most eminent approved Friends Testimonies both in England and Scotland And I could have produced many more Quotations if they had been so candid to have granted me the use of their Friends Books which I had not by me here and I being a Traveller could not be other wayes provided with however I offer this to them let the Books be produced out of which the Quotations are taken and let them be perused by any judicious and indifferent Persons and see whither they are justly and fairly quoted and I shall submit the same to their censure And whoever it is they mean to be their Brethrens avowed Adversary I bless GOD I can sincerely say that I have no Personal enmity or Prejudice against them or any Persons whatsomever it s true I detest their vile errors but I still love and respect their Persons and what I have herein done may shew that it was not through Malice c. I could also have given an account of many very Unchristian and unsavoury Passages which were Preached publickly in their Meetings at Reading in England where I live which occasioned divers to leave them And whereas they say and if he have any thing to Charge against them among whom he receeds he wants not opportunity to doe it face to face and we doubt not but they can clear themselves sufficiently I should be very glade as I have said before they would do so indeed but I am sure they have never in the least yet done it as they ought to doe notwithstanding of the many opportunitis and that publickly to have cleared themselves of what has been charged against them and still lyes at their door uncleared and unanswered by them and I am fully satisfied that notwitstanding of their many late new Creeds they can never well clear themseves until they publickly and ingeniously Retract those Errors in their Printed Books and when they once do that I think there is none will be so Unchristian as to Charge them any more therewith There is one or two Quotations more which I think fit to add G. F. and R. H. sayes in Truths defence p. 89 and 109 Our giving forth papers and printed Books it is from the immediat eternal Sipiritual GOD. 〈◊〉 Now I leave it to the serious Consideration of A. J. 〈◊〉 and the rest of his Friends whether in their Consciences they realy believe that the foresaid Passages quoted out of their Friends Books were given forth from the Immediat Eternal Spirit of GOD. And G. F. pleads for the same degree of the Spirit to know the Scriptures by as the Prophets and Apostles had See his great Myst p. 213. c. FINIS