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A70289 A short answer to a book called The fanatick history published with the approbation of divers orthodox divines (so called) and dedicated to the king by Richard Blome (against the Quakers) : which being examined and tried, is found to be a packet of old lies, many of which was seven years since presented to the Little Parliament, and since to other parliaments and protectors, which by us was answered and confuted in the year 1653 many other lies and false reports is gathered up since by them, which herein is answered and disproved : and herein also is a short relation of the twelve changes of governments which have bin in this nation in those eight years, under all of which we have suffered and been persecuted for that truth, which we yet stand witnesses for, against all its opposers / Richard Hubberthorne ; James Nayler. Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662.; Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1660 (1660) Wing H3232; ESTC R6755 22,690 31

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us and all the living whom he hath quicked with his appearance than the reading of the letter was or is to them who are without him being dead in their sinnes and reprobate in their understandings through the darkness of their hearts reading the Scriptures without the Spirit that gave them forth and this may answer thy accusation of George Whitehead and the question that was asked him And for thy seeking to make us as the Papists First in that the Pope to them is an Infallible Judge Secondly Written traditions equal to the written word We answer What is that to us who deny both the Pope his infallibility and his traditions they are none of them binding unto us look you to that who have the remainder of that Idolatry yet upon you in several things which might be instanced But blind man what a Comparison is this of thine Is it become an offence to say the Spirit of Christ is infallible and to confesse him come who leads into all truth Are we Papists in thy account for this You have too long made people follow you while you have been without that Spirit and little else have you to teach people but traditions who have not the Infallible Spirit to lead you in your worships and doctrine And so thy accusation I return upon thy own head And we can say no lesse of the Spirit of Truth and his word at this day than the holy Men of God have ever done in whom he hath appeared to wit that he is the same and his power the same and his word the same which liveth for ever and by which we now are armed and strengthned to withstand as great wickednesse and enlightened to see as great deceit in Teachers and people at this day we have cause to believe as ever appeared in the World from which we could not be delivered by our own wisdom reading or hearing of the letter till God sent the Spirit of Truth in the name of Jesus into us to enlighten our understanding in the Scriptures and against all spiritual wickednesse and deceitfull worships to quicken us with his power so to us he is the power and to him is the glory and the confession who liveth for ever and his dayes waxeth not old nor his voice feeble nor his arm short because many generations passe away before him and this is he that was before the letter who can work without the letter or with it and this is he whom men that know not have often opposed at his coming and have been broken for it though they professed the letter and this may answer thy accusation of George Fox or any other who have spoken any thing in the honor of his Appearance the power of his world or the danger of them that oppose it in this his day as well as formerly though we boast not of the fullnesse of our measure herein that is but thy accusation And for thy accusation that we deny the Personal body of Christ His coming in the Clouds to Judgement The visible Church And thy saying we are against Scriptures and against Ordinances against Sabbaths taking no notice of the moralitie of the fourth Commandement That we say the Doctrine of Original Corruption is a Soul-destroying God-blaspheming Doctrine That we are against Justification and Religiou● Education c. These are but thy false accusations not our Judgement nor our words but thou hast gathered the false accusations of the Priest● of New-Castle and other slanderous Spirits and this is the ground proof and foundation of thy Charge which hath been several times answered over-turned in the first rising of them as may be seen in the Answers to The perfect Pharisee and Sauls Errand and in a Book called The Pits mouth stopt by Fran. Howgill and several other Books to be seen in which your Folly is made manifest and what we own which is according to Scripture and what we deny which is your traditions and false worships never set up by God nor practised by his people to which Books we refer the Reader for full satisfaction herein And also in a book called Love to the Last by J. N. wherein these things are plainly spoken of And thou stumbles at the light as all the children of darkness must do And thou sayes we are strangely confused and know not well how to distinguish c. We say the confusion is in thy self and thy dark minde and not in us we stumble not who walk in light but all that walk in darknesse and hates the light must needs stumble as thou dost but to us is the light known and him that dwells in it to whom no mortal eye can approach blessed for ever and this is our all and the Nations of them that are saved must walk in it the power that we have in it we know the want we have had without it we know so we speak glorious things of the light and preach it before all its enemies without amazement for therein is the arm of God revealed mighty to save though many cannot receive our report but hates it because their deeds are evil as thou dost who calls it a natural Conscience and then saies we find Christ called the light and of him said that he lighteth every one that cometh into the world Is not here the Confusion and Jumble thou tells on in thy own dark old Bottle who cannot retain his Testimony but calls the light of Christ natural who thy self art the natural man that receives not the things of the spirit of God now the testimony that the Scriptures gives of him who is the light of the world whom we make our all as thou saiest And for that of perfection Thou charges us for saying that those that have received Christ and God are come to perfection and that all such as are in Christ are without sin To which we say yea he that comes to God and Christ comes to perfection and to him that is able to save from sin to the uttermost and he that abides in Christ sins not as saith the Scritures Heb. 7.25 1 John 3.6 and this perfection is in Christ and not of our selves and so is this freedom also and to him it is given and confessed and not to flesh and blood nor any carnal appearance But what seed art thou of to whom perfection and sanctification is so offensiv● which Christ and his Ministers commanded and preached And as to discerning Thou accuseth us for saying That the Saints by the Spirit that is in them can judge mens hearts and that such judging is Christs judging of them and that Christ shall judge no where but in the Saints and for this accusation thou quotes Naylors Answer to Pendarvis Wherein thou wrongs Naylor for he doth not say that Christ shall judge no where but in the Saints nor that People may judge mens hearts by every Spirit that is in them but this we say that the Spirit of
since his eternal Power broke forth and was manifest amongst us hath he done great things in the Earth for he hath prepared his way and made it plain before the face of all people by the appearance and testimony of his eternal light in their hearts which hath not only the●e shined but is broken forth into a life of Righteousness in many whom the Lord hath accounted worthy to be his Servants in his work to raise up a seed unto Jacob and to gather the dispersed of Israel and Juda both Jews and Gentiles into the Covenant of Light and Life with the Father from whence the● are erred by transgression and for the accomplishing of this Work and Service hath the Lord furnished us with Spiritual Weapons to war even against Spiritual wickednesse in high places 2 Cor. 10.4 5. And against the Rulers of the Darknesse of ●his world Ephes. 6.12 which hath appeared under many Forms and Governments since the breakings forth of truth in this Nation Yea many Heads or Governments hath been raised up and cast down again by one Hand and Power and have all from the Lord through his Servants had a word of Wisedom and Councel ministred unto them what they should do that they might be established which if they did not the Lord would break them to pieces which word of the Lord was fulfilled upon them all And every divers Head had a Horn in it to push at the Lambs of Christ withall and at every appearance of his Spirit and Power in his People but for his Elect sake was their daies shortned and his breakings and destruction came upon them according to his word spoken to them by his Servants at divers times And it is to be observed as the Lords doing and ordering by his mighty Power that with in these eight years since we have been persecuted and cruelly used for the name and Testimony of Jesus and the Answer of a pure Conscience there hath been twelve Changes of Government in this Nation which have all of them more or lesse been guiltie of our Sufferings either in acting against us or in suffering others to act cruelly and not endeavouring to restrain them when they had power in their hands to do it and the sufferings laid before them who suffered for Righteousnesse sake so that they could not plead Ignorance but was left without excuse which now in the day of their misery and tribulation some of them do consider it when their time is no more 1. As first in the time of the Long-Parliament in the year 1652. although many pretended some prayed and some fought for Liberty of Conscience in matters of Religion and yet at that time were we imprisoned beat and persecuted for obeying and worshipping our God in Spirit and Truth according to his teaching and at that time the Priests Rage begun to burn like fire and they run one unto another and kindled the wrath in one another against the Truth even to petition against the spreading of it and those that walked in it as a dangerous thing and they generally with one consent called the Truth Heresie Delusion and Blasphemy and those that ministered it abroad they called Ring-leaders of Sects as in the Apostles daies there was the like example But these was warned in their day not to persecute the Innocent nor to uphold those that preached for filthy lucre who served not the Lord Jesus Christ but their own Bellies But they hearkned not to the Council of the Lord but shut their ears against his Instructions therefore was their day taken from them and their Power given to another that they also might be tryed 2. In the year 1653. a Council of State was called by O.C. but they did nothing to take off the weight of oppression in the Nation neither in Spiritual nor Civil things for Pride and the deceiptfulnesse of Riches entred into their hearts that they did not regard nor set themselves wholly to do that which the Lord did require of them although they were warned of God in their time yet the Yoke of the oppressor was not taken away but under it the Nation groaned and they wrought no deliverance in the earth 3. Then the Little Parliament sat in the same year and there was a plant of Righteousnesse tending towards some equity and freedom springing up in them but the strength of deceipt and subtilty in others did Quench it before it brought forth any thing to perfection and in that time the Priests fierce persecuting Zeal was so inflamed that many Petitions from several parts of the Nation was presented against the Quakers to the Parliament and their continual clamor Petitions and Addresses and they being regarded and harkned unto was one cause of the continuance of the Nations bondage and oppression and God never prospered such as received them into their Councils or gave heed to their reports but a Curse and Destruction alwaies followed them in their undertakings whose ear was open unto such things And in the time of this Power and Government was persecution continued about Religion though much was pretended to the contrary they also were warned and wisely counselled in their day and so was left without excuse 4. Again in the same year was O.C. made Protector who had his day and power in his hand to have done good and to have done that which he and others pretended but he joyning with the covetous Priests and their Interests to make his arm strong thereby betrayed the Lord and his People into the hands of sinners And insteed of removing Persecution he caused new Acts to be made to Persecute by and so brought a Curse upon himself and Family and Tribulation upon those that trusted in him And the Lord did often visit him with reproofs and instructions untill he hardened his heart against all reproof and then was he given up of the Lord and of his People to his appointed end as an Example to all Hypoc●ites and Treacherous ones 5. Again his second Parliament was called and sat in the year 1654. in their daies was not the Land eased nor freed from its bondage and when they had let in the Priests Spirit and was insensed against the Truth and intending to make Laws to Persecute then were they broken and their power taken from them who in their day was warned but did not the thing which the Lord required of them 6. Oliver's 3d. Parliament which consisted of two Houses sat in the year 1657. they more than any of the rest did draw back into that which they had declared against and they let in the P●iests Persecuting Spirit and made Laws for Persecution and many were Imprisoned in the time of their Government because for Conscience sake they could not pay Tithes to the Hireling Priests and because they could not Swear contrary to Christs command Mat. 5. And they had many warnings and admonitions from the Lord which they rejected and so the Lord rejected them as from doing