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A91468 Goliahs head cut off with his own sword; in a combat betwixt little David, the young stripling, who stands in the power and strength of his God, and great Goliah the proud boaster, who stands in his own strength, glorifying in the arm of flesh, and contemning and despising little David, because of his youth. In a reply to a book, set forth by an un-named author, under pretence of an answer to thirty six queries, propounded by James Parnell, whom he in scorn calls, the young Quaker. And also an answer to severall counter-queries, propounded by the same unnamed authour, whom I understand to be one Thomas Draton, a teacher of the world, at Abbey Rippon, in Huntingtonshire, ... and also he that takes his part, who writes himself W.P. who knowes not the power of God, and therefore glories in the length of time, and the multitude of years. ... / Given forth from the spirit of the Lord in the behalf of Israel against the armies of the aliens, who muster up themselves against the Lord, and his authority: by a friend to the common-wealth of Israel, who is known to the world, by the name James Parnel. Who is a sufferer in outward bonds, for the testimony of the everlasting truth, in Colchester Castle. 1655. Parnell, James, 1637?-1656. 1655 (1655) Wing P531; Thomason E861_1; ESTC R203310 65,568 94

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or the Church in their dayes who were men that coveted no mans Silver nor Gold nor apparrell but had forsaked all for the Gospels sake and many of the Church suffered the spoiling of their goods willingly by your fore-Fathers the cheife Priests and Scribes and Pharises who was their persecutors as you are now of them who the Gospel do own Act. 20.33 Heb. 10.34 and your professors also who as thou saist doth not rightly value spirituall things such as are holden forth by the true Ministers and Messengers of God neither can because by such blind guides as thou art they are kept in blindnesse and darknesse least their eies should be opened and they come to see you and decline from you who was never tied to you by any command of God and therefore you are glad to make use of a law of man contrary to the practise of Christ and his Apostles and as for the expresse provision which the Lord made for his Ministers and Messengers in the new Testament I reply When Christ gave them their Commission he said also in whatsoever house they entered they was to eate such as was set before them for saith he the workman is worthy of his meate and this is all the expresse provision that thou canst find allotted to them in the new Testament and this was without any law of man too for there was no need of any for if they did not willingly receive them they was not to eate with them but to shake of the dust of their feete against them and that was all the law they was to take against such which was earthly minded and regardlesse of them but this will not serve you because your selves are earthly minded and therefore will have it of every one whether they receive you yea or nay or else you have a law of man to take treble damage and instead of eating such as they will set before you you will have the tenth part of what they have by compulsion you are such greedy devouring Woolvs and what was before allotted to the Priests in the old Testament is before sufficiently proved to be nothing concerning you who professe your selves Ministers of the New Testament and as for those Scriptures which thou quotes in 2 Chron. 31.5 6. c are also as nothing to my Query but are before answered in my last reply but yet these shall stand to witnesse against thee to be a liar for let any who reades these verses see if there the Isralites did shew any earthly mindednesse or stood in need of a law to compel them after they knew the Kings mind as thou accusest them and thus thou canst find nothing either in the Old or New Testament that will cover thy deceipt but altogether witnesse against thee and therefore againe thou flees into thy old shelter which is the will of man by which thou art set up and upheld therefore a false Prophet and a deceiver who abides not in the doctrine of Christ and it is no Pious nor Just act for them as I said before to take away the fruits of their subjects labours by a compulsive law to give unto such Earth-wormes as thee who cares not how you get it so you get it as thy own mouth confessest for thou saist it is a competent though not a liberall maintenance and yet thou canst take it and plead for it too yea and of worldly minded people which is altogether contrary to the Apostles practise and so thou fullfills the wordes which before I have spoken of thee and whosoever denies you of Tithes do not unjustly detaine them as thou saist they do being you have no right to them by any law or command from God or example in the Scripture as before is proved but only claimes a Title by the unjust supremacy of the Pope by which your fore-Fathers the persecuting Bishops was upheld and therefore we called Quakers do teach people them you to deny which is not contrary to the practice of Christ or his Apostles as thou accusest us for saith Christ Beware of false-Prophets that appeare in sheeps clothing Mat. 7.15.16 but inwardly ravening Woolves by their fruits they are knowne and by which sufficiently you are here marked our and the Apostles bids from such turne away as in 2 Tim. 3.5 and againe the Apostle John forbids to receive such as abides not in the doctrine of Christ or to bid them God speed 2 Joh. 9.10 and here both Christ and his Apostles sufficiently taught people to deny you and here thou art proved a lier who thus falsely accusest us called Quakers in this to act contrary to the practice of Christ or his Apostles and so here thou and the rest of the professed Ministers of this Nation are sufficiently manifest what you are so that all men may see your folly and deceipt but those who are blind and love to have it so and so the Scripture is fulfilled upon you Jer. 5.30.31 Whether ever the Ministers of the Gospel tooke any necessaries of the world 12 Que. as thou and such as thou doth all your Tithes and maintenance yea or nay And in thy Answer thou saist yea they have P. Ans which to prove thou quotes Ast. 28.1.9 where thou saist Paul tooke necessaries of the Barbarians yet this not serving thy turne thou runs to old Histories which thou calls Ecclesiasticall records and saith they for 1500 yeares doe testify the same but yet doubting of this thou saist as thou said before it sufficeth you that there is no law nor command of God to the contrary nor are examples thou saist needfull for every thing as to prove that Christ called any shooemaker or cobler to be a Prophet Reply But here againe thou hast marked out thy selfe to be a false Prophet who runs and the Lord never sent thee and therefore thou teachest for Doctrine the traditions of men for the which thou hast no Scripture therefore runs to old stories to which I am not to give any credit be they never so old being they are not according to Scripture and therefore not Ecclesiasticall for the oldnesse of the thing doth not make it truth though you haue long thereby deceived the ignorant And as for that Scripture which thou quotest in Acts 28.1.9 then Paul was a Prisoner and he and the Souldiers that kept him and the rest of the people was driven there by storm upon the Sea so that in that cause the Barbarians took pitty of them and received them but there was many besides Paul and the Centurion to whom Paul was committed was to take care of him and also that which the Barbarians did was freely and that which nature bound them to being they was in that strait which was done to many besides Paul who were heathen so that this doth not at all stand for thee who art in thy own Country and yet takes all thy Tithes and maintenance of the World by compulsion neither will
abroad to preach the Gospel 0 neither allowed them 100 or 200 pounds by the yeare as thou hast but they chose out those that were strong in the faith and set them to watch over the weake but those Churches was gathered by the power and Spirit of God and was turned from darknesse to light and was washed clensed and sanctified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God but out of your Church cast Drunkerds and Swearers and Liers and Proud and Covetous ones and adulterous and Idolaters and Quarrellers and Fighters and Scoffers 1 Cor. 6.11 and Scorners and Backbiters and Envious ones and Prophane and wanton ones and the like who are neither washed nor sanctified and then see where will be the Church of England and the Pastors Teachers and Elders Rv. 3. and all then you that profess your selves to be the Church of Christ will be found the synagogue of Satan whose Minister thou art and also Paul and Barnabas who ordained them Elders was men indued with the holy Spirit of the Lord and was immediately called and chosen to the Ministry and had a Spirit of discerning to know who was fitted for the Elder-ship and all this was done without an University or serving seven yeares to learne Arts and Sciences or taking Degrees without which you can do nothing and also those Superiors and Governours that ordaine you teachers and governours have nothing but what they have gotten by art and study and reading of others experiences but are ignorant of the power of God neither knowes whether there be any Holy-Ghost yea or nay but by the hearing of the eare but scofs and scornes and and persecutes those that now do witnesse these things and they themselves was also first ordained by the will of man and thus thou hast but so much the more manifested thy selfe to the world in going about to prove thy selfe a called Minister by the Scripture which doth altogether witnesse against thee And whereas thou would'st have me to prove my Call by an infallible Testimony I tell thee without an infallible Testimony I do not goe neither without an infallible Testamony doe I desire to be received or owned and to this the infallible Spirit of truth beares Testimony in all the Children of truth and thou that hast not an infallible Testimony either with me or against mee art still in darknesse and knowes not the truth then farre unfit to be a teacher to others Whether thou art guided by the same infallible Spirit that gave forth the Scripture 3 Query And in thy answer thou saist P. Ans that we our selves teach that all men are taught and guided by that Spirit at times and secondly thou saist thou praises God for it thou art guided and assisted by that Spirit which is alwaies infallible and thirdly thou saist thou doubt whether any of those that are called Quakers are alwaies guided by that Spirit Here all that are guided by any measure of that Spirit may easily see thy lies and confusion for thy first is a lie Rep. that any of us doe teach that all men are taught and guided by that Spirit at times for I deny that thou art who art now taken with a lie in thy mouth which all that understands our doctrine will witnesse against and secondly that thou art guided by an infallible Spirit is a lie against the Holy-Ghost for no lie comes from that Spirit And againe thou belies the Spirit of truth to say thou art guided by it and yet cannot give an infallible Testimony whether those thou calls Quakers are guided by an infallible Spirit yea or nay but art in thy doubts Joh. 8.44 but that Spirit is without doubts which now judgeth thee to be a lier and thy God thou praises to be the Devill the Father of lies who must both be tormented together Whether they that are guided by that Spirit need study how or what to say 4 Qu. And in thy answer thou saist P. An Timothy had that Spirit in a greater measure then James Parnell yet Paul saith thus unto him as in 1 Tim. 4.13 14 15 16. And thou saist if the Apostles had beene put to it to preach upon a short Text or Theme Methodically as by long practice in the Church is expected from you they must oft times have studied for it as thou conceivest though if you were left at large to speake as the Spirit of God mo es you and giveth matter in thou hopes some of you by Gods assistance should speake as togood or better purpose then any whonow pretend to the spiritsactings Here thou hast sufficiently manifested thy spirit Rep and thy ignorance of the spirit of God to any who understands the things of the spirit of God and all these Scriptures which thou hast brought concerning Timothy doth not at all prove that he that is guided by the spirit of God need study how or what to preach But Paul exhorted Timothy to the gift that was in him which was given him by or for prophesie for in so doing he should save himself and those that heard him which you never do by the fruit of your study but rather destroyes them witness the fruits of your Ministry this many years in this Nation who have wrought no better Reformation amongst your hearers and also this Scripture doth not at all prove that Paul bid Timothy study old Authours and heathenish Commentators as you do neither to study Arts and Sciences as you do who with your Philosophy Col. 2.8 and vain deceipt do spoile the people for thou hast manifested thy selfe to be altogether ignorant of the spirit of God who by thy own conceivings judgest the spirit of God to be unsufficient to instruct and teach the Apostles what to speak at all times without study when as Christ himselfe exhorteth them to take no thought what to speak for it should be given them in the very same houre Mat. 10.19 20. for saith he It is not you that speaks but the spirit of your Father that speaketh in you which spirit speaketh not without method which spirit you Teachers of the Church of England are great strangers to who think that the spirit of God can be limited to a Text or a Theme as thou confessest you are but thou lier where is now thy infallible spirit who thus speakest thy own conceivings and therefore be ashamed hence forward to pretend to an infa lible spirit who hast here so openly manifesied thy ignorance of it and its movings so that if thou wast left at large to speak from that spirit in thee was shut out of thy Liberary from any Text or Writing Isay 56.10 thou wouldst plainly manifest thy self to be one of the dumb Dogs that could not bark which I saiah from the spirit of the Lord declared against without study for I do believe that if thou and the rest of the nationall
the Heathen who know not God who excercise Lordship and authority one of another and so you rule in your own wills Mat. 20.25 and would not suffer your fellow creatures to put their hats on their heads but as you give them leave and so are out of the doctrine of Christ with your rude and rusticall Spirits And was not thou the language betwixt God and Adam and betwixt God and Moses and so all along the Scripture to one particular person Gen. 3.11.12 Exod. 10 11.12 then whether or nay is thine a rusticall proud Spirit that canst not receive the language thou givest unto God and thus thou hast sufficiently fomed out thy shame and I am sure now thou speakest not by the motion of the Holy-Ghost Whether ever Christ or his Apostles taught us to alter or violate the civill speeches and customs of the Nation where we live Que. 14 by which our reverence to others is expressed and accordingly expected if not commanded also and thou quotest 1 Cor. 10.32 Christ is not your teacher for out of his doctrine ye are found in the pride of your hearts Answ contemning his speech and language and are not contented with your naturall language but borrowes of others in which custome we are not to follow you out of the language of the Scripture and so here by thy Querie you expresse no reverence of God because to him you use the word Thou which you do account an uncivill speech therefore now see what is that which takes offence at that which God accepts it must needs be of proud Lucifer and that same took offence at the Apostle who said Give no offenre yet the truth is a stumbling stone and a Rock of offence therefore now see how thou stumblest at the noon day Isa 59.10 Thy next is concerning Salutations at your meetings with others or departings from others Unto which I answer that your heathenish customs traditions and salutations I do deny and know them to be contrary to Scripture for saith it let him that nameth the name of God depart from iniquity therefore you that are in iniquity do take his name in vaine and make a custom and by-word of it amongst your selves when you meet with or depart from one another and so your Children learne it at you and by imitation use his name before they do know whether there be a God or nay And to that in Ruth 2.4 and to that in Psal 1 29.8 which thou hast quoted in thy 15. and 16. Qu. I answer They that there named the name of the Lord knew him and that in the Psalm will witnesse against you that you have nothing to do to name his name nor to have such words spoken to you who know him not and read what God saith to the wicked in Psal 16. and why call ye me Lord and do not the things which I say but the salutations of the Saints I own who are not by custom lead Luk. 6.46 And to Math. 10.12 and Luk. 10.5 which here thou hast quoted I answer that you are no Ministers nor Messengers of Christ who are found out of his doctrine therefore peace is not given you to speake but as false Prophets you speak it to that which is for death because that puts into your mouthes and even prepares war against those that do witnesse the Son of peace Thy next is concerning meate drinke and apparel And to thy first Query of that I answer All the creatures of God are good in their places and all things for the use of man who dwells in the moderation but cursed to you who live under the curse in the lust under whom the creation grones who know not the pure wisdom that made all things 1 Cor. 10.31 Rom. 14.17 to teach you how to use all things to the glory of God and therefore are out of the right and thy 23.24 Qu. are here answered but you are they whose Kingdom stands in meats and drinks and apparel who are taking thought what to eat what to drink and where withall to be clothed math 6 15. And to this Querie Qu. 22. where hath God enjoyned men to drink water in any part of his word I answer thou may'st be ashamed to boast of thy age who askest such a childish Querie I might as well ask thee where God injoyned men to drink beare for water is the originall of all drinks for in the daies of old water was the common drink hast thou not read of Jacobs well where Christ drunk then who art thou that despisest water it is a signe thou servest the lust but if any drink water who know the goodnesse of it what is that to thee who injoynes thee to drink water And in thy 25. Querie thou answerest thy selfe And this Querie is Whether one may not satisfy the flesh even in over fasting and overwatching the body which to prove thou quotest Col. 2.23 Qu. 23. But I perceive thou wilt have a care of that who hast been pleading so much for the body which is the most thou mindest thy zeale is not so hot but they that dwell in the power of God are free from this and yet know how to keepe under the body and not satisfying the last but you that know not the Creator trust in the Creature And here thou askest Qu. 27. whether are not the Saints to sanctifie their meats and drinks by Prayer and Thanksgiving before and after they eat and drink which to prove thou quotest 1 Tim. 4.5 Rom. 14.16 To the pure all thingsare pure Ans but thy prayers are abomination who art in the lust but which of these Scriptures maintains your Custom after meat Tit. 1.15 but the Saints receives nothing of God Mal. 1.2 but with Thanksgiving and glory to God but your blessings are cursed and here is thy 28. Query answered also Whether the Apostles Interdiction be absolute against all Ornaments Qu 29. or Comparative onely and thou hast quoted a Scripture in 1 Pet. 3.3 4. which answereth thee where thou mayst read what Ornaments he approves of and here thy 30.31.32 Query is answered but moderation in every thing I own but what is wast is for the lust both in Kings Princes and great personages as thou callest them but with us there is no respect of persons neither taking thought what to eat what to drink or wherewithall to be cloathed as the Children of this world do amongst whom thou art found but our Kingdom is not of this world and Israell after the flesh was a figure of Israell after the spirit therefore now read their adorning if thou canst and remember no Creature was made for the lust though lustfull men abuse them Thy next is concerning Pride And thy first Question of this is whether pride doth lie in Apparel though there may be much wastfulness vanity and ostentation committed therein or inwardly in the heart and minde of the poor
there is for selfe and not for God for he saith in vain do you worship him Mat. 15.7 8 9. and here thy 51. Query is answered but take notice your Steeple-houses are not the houses of God as before is proved Is it unlawful to call either Baptisme Que. 52. or the Supper of the Lord a Sacrament or obliging Mystery since that name imports no more and you cannot deny but that both these are mystical things and obliging mysteries to the washing away of sin and the following of Christ into his life death Is thy Baptisme now become an obliging Mystery to the washing away of sin Answ which in thy Answer to my 21. Query thou said was not absolutely necessary but lawfull onely can it wash away sin and yet not be necessary but this is all thou knowest of that mystery that washeth away sin or deire after it for where sin is washed away this confusion stayes not behinde Yea I do deny that there is any thing in your sprinkling Infants or your Bread and Wine which doth profit as is manifest by these that receive them of you who never yet was washed from their sins and pollutions or ever tasted of the death of the Crosse 1 Cor. 12.13 but the Baptisme I own and the Supper of the Lord I owne but the word Sacrament I deny for the which you have no Scripture whatsoever thou sayst it doth import And thy 53.54 55. Queries are answered in my Reply to thy Answer to my 21. Query and thy 56. and 57. Queries are answered in my Reply to thy Answer to my 25. Query Who is there among you who are called Quakers Que. 58. or the other Sectarians your fore-fathers that hath rightly declared the mystery of Christs body and blood in your dissentings from us since none of you have declared this according to our Lords intent John 6.33 As for Sectarians as thou callest them they are in your Generation Ans and art not thou ashamed to call them our fore-fathers when as they now joyn with you against us yea and in this very thing wherein they are blinde as you are but the mystery we know and have declared to the comfort of many a restless soul who never could finde true comfort in your dark and dead forms as thousands in the Nation will witness and this we have declared according to our Lords intent therefore thou lier and slanderer stop thy mouth and take not his name in vain and that Scripture in John 6.33 which thou hast quoted will witness against thee in that thou wouldest uphold and thy 59. Query is answered with thy 56. 57. And thy next is concerning the present Ministers and Teachers and their maintenance Were there no Ministers in this Nation Qu. 60. that held forth the truth amongst us till you and your associates rose up since we have our Lords promise the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against the Church and be hold I am with you to the end of the world What is become then of all your fore-fathers Que. 61. theirs and ours who died since the Apostles dayes till your rising up with a pretended spirit Thou carnall one Answ hast thou nothing to do but to raise the dead to dispute about but to answer a fool I say they are gone as the just and righteous Judge hath disposed but now he calles all every where to repent his Trumpets are sounding a warning and there was none that preached for hire that held forth the truth in the life and power of it but made a Trade and gain of the Letter from it speaking a divination of their own brain as you do now and those was your fore-fathers but if you had the Lords promise that the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against you for the Lord will be with you then what need you a Law of man to set you up uphold you and maintain you therefore it follows the Lord is against you and his promises doth not belong unto you who dare not trust him and therefore are but pretenders and this the spirit of truth in us can tell you If there were some taught of God before you were called Que. 62. why are they not owned by any of you Thou art not one that art so taught for thou art found out of his Doctrine therefore with that stop thy mouth and do not bely us for who receive and obey the truth we do own whatsoever they have been and here also thy 63 and 64. Query is answered And thy 65.66 67. Queries are answered in my Reply to thy Answer to my 9. 10th Query Ans Is the teaching Priesthood to cease Que. 68. till the spirituall Melchizedeck come unto us to blesse us after the slaughter of all our enemies with the heavenly bread and wire Gen. 14.18.19 Heb. 2.1 2 3. that you say the Priesthood of Aaron with the Law annexed of Tithes is ceased under the Gospel Yea so it is ceased and those Scriptures doth not prove to the contrary but that in Heb. 7. doth affirm it Answ 〈…〉 before proved but in that you uphold it in taking Tithes you deny the spiritual Melehizedeck and if that be the teaching Priesthood which thou meanest it is already ceased to many who are come to see the end of it but the gift blinde your eyes and therefore you still uphold it and lead the blindes into the ditch and so the woe is to you and not the blessing and this Scripture in Eph. 4.11 12. c. doth not at all maintain you and here also thy 69. Query is answered And thy 70.71.72 73. Queries are answered in my Reply to thy Answer to my 14th Query Did ever the Church of Rome cast greater reproaches upon the Protestant Ministers Que. 74. then you do and are you not Jesuited by some of her Emisseries that you would have them all one with another rooted out at once yea can the Devil himself desire more in this kinde I see no difference in the ground betwixt the Church of Rome and you Answ for they are bloody persecuters and upheld by a persecuting Law and so are you who call your selves Protestants and therefore no reproaches to call you persecuters hirelings false Teachers and greedy Doggs as the Prophets of old called your fore-fathers in whose steps you are found as is before proved but howsoever thou with thy lying spirit termest us of the Jesuites both thou and thy Brethren have in this been sufficiently proved lyars therefore by the sword of the Lord you must all be rooted out yea ye must all fall together Zach. 13.7 Ezek. 21.91.10 11. he will make a grievous slaughter from the least to the greatest for his hand is stretched out against you and therefore your Father the Devil bestirs himselfe amongst you to stand up for his Kingdom and where did ever the Church of Rome persecute any sparing the