Accusation not true but if it were doth thy inference follow that our Proselites are thus taught O abominable Wickedness Where or when did we ever preach such Doctrine We utterly deny it and never heard any of our Friends held or owned it knowing in our Conscience the eminent and reverend Esteem we have of the Scriptures or Bible as the principle Book extant in the World though we may not slite but esteem all other Books dictated by the Spirit of Truth in their Places and for the good ends intended Another Accusation is that Fox and Hubberthorn said the Scriptures are no standing Rule and that it is dangerous for ignorant People to read them p. 29. Reply First As for being the only and standing Rule they no where call themselves so but refer us to God and Christ or Spirit within 2ly Thou hast wronged and mis-cited their Words in a more general terms then they are their Words not being 't is dangerous for ignorant People but to their Adversary they say The Letter which killeth is dangerous for thou takest it here to war withal against the Saints giving out thy carnal Expositions upon it you read with Danger who make a trade of Scripture but blessed is he that does read and understand c. as in the same page and Book cited by thee Entit Truth 's Defence Mark here they neither slite nor oppose the sincere reading and perusing of the Scriptures Now seeing thou abuses and mis-renders as hinted before such Passages as we find apparent in our Books to correct thee It s no Wonderment if thou dost abuse divers of our Friâ—…nds in thy Stories upon meer Reports and private Discourses as thy manifest Deceit in mis-citing our Words which renders thee very suspitious in many of those Stories Now let the ingenuous Reader take notice of thy Abuse herein Bâ—…t 3ly That it is dangerous for some ignorant or unlearned People to read them is evident while unstable and prejudiced in their Minds not regarding the Spirit or Light that gave them forth to learn by and give them the right Understanding for 't is such as are unlearned who wrest them to their own Destruction Is not this dangerous for any to pervert them to their own Destruction Is it therefore just in thee to compare them to Jesuites and Romanists who thus intend Yet 't is not dangerous but useful and profitable to read the Scriptures in Honesty and Simplicity of mind having regard to that divine Light and Inspiration of the Almighty that gives the true Understanding of them Another Story is of one Holbrow that should say that the Scriptures were no better to him then an old Almanack Answ. This verifies the old Saying that the Devil will play at a small game rather then stand out But we utterly deny any such gross Comparison concerning the Scriptures I am credibly informed of a Ranter that spake these Words above twenty Years ago what 's that to the Quakers And we have heard of some Ranters that have thus grosly slited the Scriptures but never any real Quaker Howbeit thou art not wanting in Envy to brand us with such Calumnies how utterly soever the things be disowned abhorred by us Some Baptists have turned Ranters and others have mantained Ranterism and others of them Poligamie others again eminent among them as namely of their Leaders have turned Papists Now wouldst thou take it well if I should endeavour to render you all odious upon their Account 'T is probable when they turned Ranters they had a very mean Esteem of the Scriptures And if I should take this Course of arguing against the whole Body of you Baptists and Dippers I might make a large Narrative of the gross Wickedness of many that have been eminent among you but that is not my Way of confuting mens corrupt Principles though sufficient to spoil the Credit of the guilty and to render them unmeet Guides to others Yet far be it from me to asperse all amongst you therewith believing many called Anabaptists to be far more honest and sincere then thy self or divers of thy Brethren Elizabeth Marshal saith in answer to the Dialogue pag. 27. THat about sixteen Years ago I was pressed in my Spirit to vâ—…sil the People called Baptists in Taunton and at their Meeting which was then in Taunton Castle I spake amongst them what was given me of God which the Meeting with Attention received and many of them came forth with me lovingly to a neighbouring House this is true but that I should ever say or pretend I had a Message from the Lord to deliver only to Thomas Mercer at Taunton this is utterly false And also that Thomas Mercer as an old Acquaintance hath been several times to visit me this is true but that I should say to him or any other person that it was revealed to me that he was come to deny his Principles this is also a false forged Lye and I think when I shall speak with Thomas Mercer he will not abuse me with such a Lye not did he ever reprehend me for such a Saying So it is a Lye proceeding from the Father of Lyes who through his Servants would suggest such things on purpose to render the Truth and those that profess it odious but the Pit the wicked hath digged for others they fall into themselves and the Truth is Clear and I am Innocent therein who am yet alive to give this my Testimony under my Hand Elizabeth Marshal Sect. XV. His partial Relation against John Story AGain thou givest a very scanty and partial Relation concerning John Story about the Sufficiency of the Light in every Man to guide to Salvation without any other Counceller upon their excepting against the Priest's Book out of which the Position was read and refusing to be catechised by thee c. p. 30. As for that Contest between thee and John Story I have heard a more full and impartial Account then thou givest and how thou wast sufficiently baffled at it and proved a false Accuser of the Principle of the Quakers as leading from Christianity to Heathenism which could not be supposed to relate to those Gentiles that walked up to the Light or Law of God in their Hearts for that was really pious and therefore Christian but to the impious idolatrous Part And though John Story and his Friends might justly except against the Priest's Book as being an Adversary to us perverting our Principles and representing them to our disadvantage yet John Story never receded from the sufficiency of that divine Light of Christ in every man to guide them to Salvation who believe in it and are obedient to it not excluding the Counsel of such faithful Ministers where they are sent so to direct and turn mens minds from Darkness to the Light wherein they still submit to the Light of Christ as the Ground of their Ministry and the sufficient chief Rule and Guide which implies no defect in Christs Light but on the
of Condemnation both to Angels and Men to be their Sin in forsaking the Lord and living Ungodly But whereas S. S. renders God's fore-knowledge of all his Works as the Reason or Proof That he from eternity decreed particular Angels and Men for Destruction which appears Contradictory to his Masters of the Assemblies confessing viz. That God hath not decreed any thing because he foresaw it as future Confess Chap. 3 This Proof is as impertinent as the rest of his shallow Arguments for his fore-Knowledge being infinite it is no Proof that he hath absolutely decreed or ordained all things that come to pass because he foresaw all for he hath not ordained that Men should live in Sin though he hath designed their Punishment who do so live yet known unto the Lord are all his Work 's both those of his Creation which he wrought according to his absolute Pleasure both in Heaven and in Earth and in the Sea c. Psal. 135. 6. and Man was not capable of resisting his Maker in forming of him he was as the Clay in his Hand as also the Lord foreknew his work of Sanctification and saving of man from Sin and Death but this is not effected without a Subjection to his Will and a Compliance with his Spirit and Power in his Work within They are not Partakers of Salvation from Sin who wilfully gain-say the Truth resist the holy Ghost and act Despite against the Spirit of Grace But further I find S. S. so uncertain in the Management of his partial Proposition for a personal Election and Reprobation that he is made sometimes to grant and confess to Truth to his own absolute Confutation and the Break neck of his graceless Cause As by his Confessing That God hath no Pleasure in the Death of him that dieth considered barely as his Creature for he is willing to receive to Mercy every returning Sinner yet if a Person perseveres in Wickedness as such God will laugh at his Calamity c. Thus far S. S. From whence it follows 1st That God did not from Eternity decree the Damnation of particular Persons contrary to his declared Pleasure 2dly That persevering in Wickedness is the Cause of Men's Calamity 3dly Aâ—…d their Perversness and Obstinacy in rejecting Wisdom's Reproof and Counsel the Cause that God will laugh at their Calamity and mock when their Fear cometh Now the Doctrine of Election and Reprobation as universally sect 11 and equally laid down in the Scriptures of Truth and as accordingly by us asserted for that there can be no Repugnancy either in God's Actions or in his Will whether secret or revealed as some vainly imagin cannot be inconsistent with God's Prohibitions Eat not of the Tree of Knowledge His conditional Promises If thou dost well shalt thou not be accepted If you Seek the Lord he will be found of you Whosoever believeth shall not perish shall not abide in Darkness His conditional Threats If thy Heart turn away thou shalt Perish If ye for sake him he will for sake you His sending his Son into the World not to Condemn the World He should have added Christ's Dying for all Men tasting death for every Man his giving his Spirit to instruct them His Setting Life and Death before them in the Promises and in the Threats or giving Men up to their Lusts for Sin This cannot be inconsistent with God's Election or Choice of true Believers and Obedient nor with his rejecting the Rebellious unto Reprobation for they evince the Truth thereof But the Presbyters partial Doctrine of Election and Reprobation of particular Persons and certain definite number of Men and Angels and their most grosly Asserting that God from all Eternity did freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass This is both inconsistent with those and such his Prohibitions conditional Promises and Threats His sending his Son not to condemn the World but that the World through him might be saved his dying for all Men his giving his good Spirit to the Disobedient to instruct them his setting Life and Death before them to chuse Life or perish Deut. 30. 15. to the end but Alas if from Eternity God had reprobated them or absolutely ordained and designed their Damnation and Curse how should they Chuse Life or Blessing Or if particularly unchangeably ordained to Life and Salvation from all Eternity Could there be any such Danger of their perishing or that they should thus need to be threatned with Cursing and Perishing if their Heart turned away from the Lord For had they been unchangeably designed of God for the one End whether Life or Death were it not very inconsistent to propose both conditionally to them as namely to exhort them to chuse Life or if they refused to threaten them with perishing c. do not you partial-minded Presbyters and Calvinists by such kind of Preaching and Propositions so contrary to your partial Principle most grosly dissemble with People and mock them contrary to your own Belief whenas Moses the Prophets and Apostles in such like Conditional Promises and Threats believed what they spoak they believed and therefore spoak from the Spirit of God which cannot lie nor dissemble If you say God hath decreed particular Persons Salvation by such Warnings you thereby tell us that he hath decreed it by Threatning them with Damnation and thereby you affix your non-sense incongruous Doctrine upon God rather then you will confess your own nonsensical Contradiction therein which runs thus That God hath from all Eternity unchangeably designed some Persons eternal Salvation and yet that he warns and threatens the same Persons with eternal Damnation or Perdition if they refuse Life or to â—…earken to him and obey him or if their Hearts turn away from him pray mark how inconsistent and contradictory this is like as to say It is unchangeably designed of God that you must live for ever yet take heed you do not dye eternally And to S. S. his adding All these are subservient to the Soveraign Design of God's Decrees The Magnifying his Mercy and Grace in the Salvation of all the Elect his Justice or Wrath in the Reprobates c. pag. 115. Ans. If by the Words All these as we may take him he intends according to the Assembly's Confession That God from all Eternity did most freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass then it may be understood that all these things those Conditions or States both Good and Bad which he mentions before are subservient to the soveraign Design of God's Decrees as he words it But if by all these he intends all these conditional Promises and Threats are so subservient as I think he doth then God's Decrees of Men Salvation or Damnation are also conditional accordingly as first If you seek the Lord he will be found of you and then as all are called to seek the Lord he hath also given Liberty and a Capacity to all to seek him that they may
Religion it self What Is he grown so hardy that he can handle Holy Things without Fear and make bold with tender Conscience so far as to abuse it self Is Singularity become so offensive in a Quaker as an Anabaptist must show his little Wit in Deriding it But certainly Reader it can be no small Advantage that both his Bitterness and Lightness give us against a Man of his high Pretences to Religion However our Conquest here will be our Patience Innocence and Truth Not that I will believe he thinks I want Words to whom he more then once makes the having of them Criminal and all that read him may see he hath furnisht me with Matter GROSS enough But I delight not to spend my time upon Invectives did I perhaps I might bestow a Tragick Comedy upon a Railing Anabaptist in return of that Ridiculons Dialogue he disingenuously would fasten on an unconcerned Quaker But my God forbid that I should Sport about Religion or make so much as any Man 's pretended Religious Dissent a Theam for my Railery or Abuse for I think it an ill way to Laugh men out of their Profession as well as I can never esteem that any sincere one which men are Jeer'd into and as Conviction is the most Serious Ground on which to receive Faith so to detract or deal disingenuously with any man may harden but can never Proselyte and this is our very Case with respect to T. H. Yet I would have him know That our so much reproached Light Within he so little concerns the Government of his Life withal incites us not to an Eye for an Eye but teacheth us that Forbearance and Forgiveness which we have some Reason to believe his Principles are wholly Strangers to else what can mean his greedy Endeavours To pluck out others Eyes that never yet assaulted so much as one of his either by Word or Writing Well may we take up the Complaint of God's Prophet of old We are had in Derision daily and almost every one Mocketh us But let the Carnal Christian-Mockers have a Care for though their Cruel Mockings be our Portion in this Life yet also for a Recompence shall their Bonds be made Strong and a Consumption from the Lord of Hosts is determined against them that persist therein Having now rendered with all convenient Brevity my just Exceptions against the manner of the Dialogue and spirit of the Man in general I shall proceed to offer something against the distinct Doctrines of it in my particular Vindication of the Truth viz. The Universality and Sufficiency of the Light Within and Demonstration of the General Rule of Faith CHAP. IV. That a Right Relish of the Manner of the Dialogue is a sufficient Antidote against the Matter of it His Questions stated His Feigned Answer A True Answer to the First What is Salvation To be saved from Sin and Wrath not Wrath without Sin WHat I have already said being duly weighed may be an apt Introduction to what follows For he that relishes the Unsavouriness and Rancour of His Spirit in the Mannagement of his pretended Christian-Dialogue surely can have but little Appetite to feed upon a Dish cook't up with such Poysonous Sauce Enmity and Truth were never Companions and where there appears so great a share of the one as hath been truly observed we may I hope without Offence conclude there can be but very little if any of the other However let us see with Reason and Sobriety whether the Matter of his Dialogue be more commendable then the Manner of it writ with so much Railing and Immoderation For Reader this know I writ not for Conquest but for Conscience sake and what I can grant I shall and what I must oppose I hope to do it with Truth and Meekness being only desirous to approve my self to God who will Reward all men according to their Works and to that Measure of Divine Light in every Conscience with which I shall begin and which as the Lord God shall enable me I will endeavour to maintain against the Angry and Undervaluing Reflections of its Adversaries To overlook then many unnecessary Queries that are set down either to Abuse us to fill up Corners or make the Dialogue glide the better no wayes true in themselves and wholly impertinent to the Matter I receive and prosecute the Main Questions which he propounds thus 1. What is that SALVATION which the Light leads to 2. What is this LIGHT that leads to It and 3. Who this HE or THEY are that Obey this Light and in Obeing attain Salvation Sober Questions I grant and as necessary to be known but I am willing first to set down the Answer he makes the Quaker to return before I give mine own that the Sober Reader may judge how different the Reason of a True Quaker is from T. Hicks's Phantastical one 〈◊〉 Thou runnest into many Words and Carnal Distinctions and wouldst have thy Fleshly Wisdom satisfied but I tell thee that Dust is the Serpent's Food Is this to act the Christian or the Scoffer towards the Quaker 'T is not to be doubted but T. H. knows better and that he hath not herein done to us as he would be done by For all his Pretences to Christianity he is thus far Debtor to and Criminal by the LIGHT he vilifieth But the Truth is he therefore maketh his Quaker to render him no better Reason whatever he knew because indeed it was inconsistent with his Design that he should But I will see if I can supply that voluntary Defect in Rebuk to his Disingenuous Practice on the behalf of the poor Abused Quaker I answer I. By SALVATION we understand as by Scripture is deliver'd to us A being saved from Sin here and the Wages of it which is Wrath to come Whereby we are taught utterly to renounce and reject the common Acceptation of it as the full and compleat Force of the Word viz. barely to be saved from Punishment hereafter In which Security through a vain Expectance of Salvation whilst not really actually sav'd from the Power of Sin and the Captivation of Lusts through the invisible Power of Christ Thousands dye and T. Hicks is one of those that not only is inthroal'd himself but earnestly contends for that Beggarly Faith and Religion to be the most Christian which is so unable to deliver both himself and others that believe in it In short We call Salvation Christ's making an End of Sin Destroying the Works of the Divel Finishing of Transgression Binding the Strong Man and Spoyling of his Goods in the Hearts and Consciences of Men and Women and bringing in his Everlasting Righteousness into the Soul whereby to Cleanse Wash Regenerate Renew and Refresh the Soul in one Scripture-Phrase to Save his People from their SINS These are the Times of Refreshment and this is the Day of Restitution and thus is HE King to Reign Prophet to give Vision and High Priest to Anoint with the
Ignorance and Idolatry against the Truth of its Discoveries and Efficacy of its Power If we had not desended the Light 's Sufficiency from these Authorities then our Assertion had been declared infirm with no small Shew of Triumph and Insult and now we have made good our Ground against their Objections the next News I expect to hear from such as are Perverse among them will be our Heathening â—…r turning Heathens But as all they could do would not make us Christians if Heathens so neither can their Prejudice being True-Spirited Christians render us in their Sense Heathens with Sober and Impartial Persons CHAP. XII That this was not only the Doctrine and Faith of the Gentiles but the very Primitive Doctors or Fathers both so held and so exprest themselves Eight Testimonies produced for Proof thereof BUt as I have hitherto made evidently appear both that the Gentiles Believed in One God and had a very clear Apprehension of the Light or Divine Principle placed in Man from whom all Heavenly Knowledge was to be derived and that this Divine Light or Spirit or Principle was by them asserted to be the most certain Guide and infallible Rule of Faith and Practice And further that the Scriptures produced abundantly verifie their Doctrines as that due Comparison of them will evidence so to the End these angry Men I have to do with should not count it a Prophaning of holy Writ or think that I am the only Man that ever had that favourable Apprehension of these Gentile-Doctrines I am willing to instance some of the most Primitive and Approved Fathers of the Christian-Church And by a short view of what they believed in reference to the present Subject with their way of phraising such Belief we may the more clearly perceive how far those Gentiles are by them Reprehensible either with respect to their Soundness in Judgement or Expression that if it be possible we may remove all Pretence for Objection against the Universality and Sufficiency of this Blessed Light I. JUSTINUS MARTYR whom I therefore chuse to begin with because from a Learned Philosopher becoming an Honest Christian and Constant Martyr from whence he was sirnamed Martyr he could the better tell us the Difference of the Change But so far was he from reputing the Principle of God within Men Hetrodox or Inconsistent with the Purity of the Christian Religion that with no small Earnestness he therefore pleads against all Coercive Power upon Conscience and the Pompous Worship of the Heathens in their Temples as his Apologies will inform us because saith he GOD HATH BUILT TO HIMSELF A NATURAL TEMPLE IN THE CONSCIENCES OF MEN as the Place wherein he would be Worshipped and that there Men ought to look for his Appearance and Reverence and Worship him or to that purpose II. To this doth CLEMENS ALEXANDRINUS that Earnest Contender against the Apostate Gentiles plainly assent who often but more particularly in these few Places following recommends to us the Light or Word Within It is the Voice of Truth saith he that Light will shine out of Darkness Therefore doth it shine in the hidden Part of Mankind that is in the Heart and the Rayes of Knowledge break forth making manifest and shining upon the inward Man which is hidden Christ's Intimates and Coheirs are the Disciples of the Light He further expresseth himself in another Place Man cannot be void of Divine Knowledge who Naturally or as he comes into the World partaketh of Divine Inspiration as being of a more Pure Essence or Nature then any other Animals And as assenting to the Doctrine of some Ancient Philosophers and other Heathen Authors for against the Gentiles of his time I suppose he may make use of no less then about Two Hundred and Fifty he doth very frequently attest the Truth of the Doctrine of the Divine Light in Man as Man's Concomitant to all good Works as one Passage eminently proves I earnestly exhort thee because I would have thee saved and that would Christ also who offers thee Life in one Word But thou mayst say What is it IT IS THE WORD OF TRUTH THE INCORRUPTIBLE WORD WHICH REGENERATES MANKIND AND LEADS HIM AGAIN TO TRUTH the Spur that pricketh on to Salvation who expelleth the Destruction chaseth away Death and hath BUILT A TEMPLE IN MANKIND THAT IT MAY PLACE GOD IN MAN I know not any of the Ancients more profoundly read in the Doctrines of the Gentiles then this Clemens Alexandrinus and who to prove the Verity of the Christian-Religion against them doth numerously cite and insert the Writings of the more Venerable Heathens and with the very Books of their Admired Ancestors doth he accutely argue the Unreasonableness of their Opposition to Christianity the very top of Vertue and Perfection of Goodness as did Christ to prove himself the True Messiah urge the Scriptures to those pretended great Believers in them as an Aggravation of their Incredulity III. TERTULLIAN then whom there was not any I ever read more sharp against the Dissolute Gentiles of his time as his most quaint Apology for the Christians and in it his severe Charge against their Enemies doth particularly assure us thinks it to be neither Heresie nor Heathenism as it is commonly understood to believe and assert That a Life subject to the Holy Guidings of the Universal Light in the Conscience is a kind of Natural Christianity or to be Naturally a Christian. And though in his Apology he stabs with the sharpest Points of Wit Reason and Truth the Cause of Degenerated Philosophy or rather those that were unmeritedly called Philosophers yet he lays it still on the side of their great Apostacy from that Noble Principle which worthily Renowned their Predecessors the Being of whose Stock and Assuming whose Titles alone they Vainly esteem'd Warrant enough for their so great Pretensions to Real Science not unlike the Pharisees of the Jews as hath already been observed IV. ORIGEN who I may say was twice a Christian first by Education and next by Choyce a strong Defender of Christianity as his notable Books against Celsus and others do abundantly witness treating of that Divine Light with which God has illuminated Mankind as his Universal Endowment calls it AN IMMUTABLE LAW WHICH WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL IS ENGRAVEN UPON THE HEART AND GRAFTED INTO THE SOUL OF MAN V. LACTANTIUS Scholar to Arnobius who writ smartly against the Apostate Gentiles esteemed a good and acute Man thus delivers himself about the Matter in hand THE LAW OF GOD saith he is made known unto us WHOSE LIGHT like the STARS TO THE MARINER in the Night Season clearly discovers to us THE PATH OF WISDOM That Law is Pure and Unspotted Reason not inconsonant with nor unintelligible by Nature DEFUSED THROUGH ALL THE WORLD in it self UNCHANGEABLE and ETERNAL which that it may deter Man from Vice doth faithfully by its INJUNCTIONS and PROHIBITIONS DECLARE UNTO MAN HIS
DUTY Again The Way to ascend up to the House of Truth IS TO BEHOLD WITHIN US THAT THERE IS ONE MOST HIGH GOD who made and governs all things that Christ is God's Ambassadour and Builder sent unto Men and as they receive him INTO THEIR HEARTS HE BUILDETH A DIVINE AND IMMORTAL TEMPLE IN THEM VI. But let us deliberately read what the so much admired ATHANASIUS says to the Gentiles who did frequently cast out that Vulgar Objection to the Christians How know you that yours is the Right Way The Way whereby to attain to the Knowledge of God IS WITHIN US which is proved from Moses who saith THE WORD OF GOD IS WITHIN THY HEART and from this Saying of Christ THE FAITH AND KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU If then says Athanasius the KINGDGM OF GOD BE WITHIN US likewise are we able to understand the WORD or VOICE OF THE FATHER Which Solid Ancient and Great Truth could not but highly aggravate the Blame of such as were Infidel to it because it was but the Doctrine of their Fam'd Philosophers more clearly and Scripturally exprest as it doth abundantly testifie to us upon which Ground it was the Primitive Christians believed and practised their Religion Not Tradition however Holy but Sound Internal Conviction and Revelation from no Words Without BUT THE ETERNAL WORD OF GOD IN THE HEART the great Discoverer of the Will and Way of God to Men He that knows this Word or Divine Principle to raign in his Heart knoweth the Kingdom of God come there and his Will done even the Sanctification of the Soul VII CHRYSOSTOME also is not wanting to ascribe some Honour to this Holy Light we contend for who not only confesseth the Light mention'd in the first of John to be Christ the Word-God who inlightneth all Mankind coming into the World but also avers it to be of a Saving Nature unto all who believe in it and follow it wherefore saith he Let none blame the Light they are not Saved but their own Rebellion who refuse to be saved by it This he very solemnly calls A TEACHER OR INSTRUCTOR DWELLING IN MAN's NATURE or that no Man is without a Teacher to Instruct Inspire Help and Assist him in what leads to Eternal Life I will conclude these Christian Testimonies with a Passage out of AUGUSTINE not unsuitable to the Business in hand VIII AUGUSTINE in his Discourse on John has this very notable Passage viz. THAT GOD IS PROPERLY KING OF MINDS OR SOULS because when he is receiv'd in he governeth by his Divine Power and Spirit in the Heart therefore is not his Kingdom after the Manner of this World BUT WITHIN and much to this purpose Again he Distinguisheth upon the Word REASON There is a Superior and Inferior Reason saith he the Inferior is a meer Rational Creature or that Understanding which distinguisheth a Man from a Beast but the Superior Reason is a LIGHT or as it were a POWER in Mankind DICTATING REVEALING and INJOYNING DIVINE ETERNAL and INTIRELY GOOD THINGS as for Example when it shall say This is Sin thou oughtest no to commit but AVOID it Why Because it offends God Thus far of Primitive Christian-Divinity from about 132. years after Christ to about 400. years after Christ by way of Confirmation of that Part of the Gentile-Divinity which might with least Credit be imbraced for to cite never so many Primitive Christian Authors to prove a God Holy Life and the Immortality of the Soul the other Points of Gentile-Divinity would look like Labour in vain since none that believes them to have been Christians ought to doubt of their holding these very things which in a great measure character'd them such but that which is though it should not be the Wonder is to quote them in the Language of the so much yet so undeservedly decri'd and abused Quakers viz. That not only the best Gentiles but most approved Christians of the Primitive Times Confess to a Divine Light Principle Word or Spirit in Man whose Inspiration gives infallible Understanding and as Man is guided by it he shall be Recovered out of that Mire Sin has stuck him in and it will Free him from the Snares of Pleasures Inlighten his Eyes Inspire his Soul and Lead him gently by the hand in the Way of Eternal Righteousness whose Reward from God will be Immortality and Eternal Life CHAP. XII The Third Part of the Gentile-Divinity viz. That they were Men of Vertuous Lives and taught the Indispensibleness thereof to Life Eternal Prov'd by Numerous Instances IT may be now time that I dispatch the other two Parts of the Gentile-Divinity which I shall endeavour with all convenient Brevity There are many Instances of their Pious Doctrine and singular Examples of their Vertue I will instance in a few to convince if I can such as scarcely believe any Good of them and the rather I fear that they may not charge the Bad upon the Light that their Doctrines and Practice with respect to Good Living were and are very Commendable and Approveable of all Good Christians I. PITTACUS Mitilenaeus one of the Seven Wise Men of Greece as they were called his Apophthegms were these What thou tak'st Ill in thy Neighbonr DO NOT THY SELF Reproach not the Unhappy for the Hand of GOD is on them Restore what is committed to thy Trust. Bear with thy Neighbour LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR Reproach not thy Friend though he recede from thee a little Acquire Honesty Seek Obsequiousness Love Discipline Temperance Prudence TRUTH FAITH Experience Dexterity Society Diligence Oeconomy and PIETY II. CHILON another of them he was so Just in all his Actions that in his old Age he professed He never had done any thing contrary to the Conscience of an Upright Man only that of one thing he was doubtful Having given Sentence against his Friend according to Law he advised his Friend to Appeal from him his Judge so to preserve both his Friend and the Law Agellius relates it thus When his Lise drew towards an End ready to be seized by Death he spoke thus to his Friends about him My Words and Actions in this Long Term of Years have been almost all such as I need not Repent of which perhaps you also know TRULY EVEN AT THIS TIME I AM CERTAIN I NEVER COMMITTED ANY THING THE REMEMBRANCE WHEREOF BEGETS ANY TROUBLE IN ME unless this one thing only which whether it were done amiss or not I am uncertain I sate with two others as Judge upon the Life of my Friend the Law was such as the Person must of necessity be condemned so that either my Friend must lose his Life or some Deceit be used towards the Law revolving many things in my Mind for a Relief of a Condition so desperate I conceived that which I put in Practice to be of all other the most easie to be born Silently I Condemned him and perswaded these others who judged
do namely To save his People from their Sins there is not one Word of Wrath but consequentially Therefore since that Sin is in the Heart and Conscience of Mankind nothing but a Divine Light Spirit or Power can reach Immaculation into those inward Parts and consequently that must be the Redeemer and Saviour But indeed those who have a Mind to Naturalize that strange Figure into the Language of the Holy Truth I mean to understand that to be saved is to be saved from Wrath and not from Sin whose assured Wages is Wrath may have some Interest though no Reason for their implacable Enmity against an Inherent Holiness But I farther confess that his Righteous Life with respect to its Appearance in that Body was grieved by Sin that the Weight of the Iniquity of the whole World with the Concernment of its Eternal Well-being lay hard upon him nor was his Manhood Insensible of it Under the Load of this did He travel he alone trode the Wine-Press that is All others were then Insensible of that Eternal Wrath which would be the Portion of Impenitent Persons as well as that it was his great Care and deep Travel that the Holy yet Oppressed Seed might arise over the Pressures of Iniquity in the Hearts of Men to bruise the Serpent's Head in all And as outwardly he gave his outward Life for the World so he might inwardly shed abroad in their Souls the Blood of God that is The Holy Purifying Life and Virtue which is in him as the Word-God and as which he is the Life of the World This was it which gave that visible Part the Understanding it had which fitted it for so great an Embassy by whose Power alone it Fasted Prayed Preacht Cast-out Devils Wrought Miracles Lived that most Unblemisht Life Patiently Suffered Death was Raised for an Holy Confirmation maugre all the Military Opposition of the Jews and this it was which accompanied the Ministry of his Followers rendring it Efficacious to Conviction and Conversion So that the Invisible Spiritual and Divine Life Principle or Nature was the Root and Fountain of all which is sometimes asscribed in Scripture to the Body by that Common Figure or Way of Speaking amongst Men the Thing containing which was the Body for the Thing contained which was the Eternal Power Wisdom Life c. Not that we would irreverently rob the Holy Body of whatsoever Acknowledgement is justly due nor yet separate that God joyned though I confess with holy Fear I dare not attribute to an External prepared Being which is the Natural Proper and Only Work of the Divine Light and Life to operate and effect But certainly if some Men in Scripture are intituled Saviours because of the Contribution of their Tryals Travels and Labours towards the Salvation of Man-kind of much more Right is that Honour ascribable to him who had the Spirit without Measure For I do freely acknowledge it to have been in some sense a Co-worker and Partner with the Divine Life in many of its Tryals Weights Sufferings and Travels for Man-kind Yet as it was the Divine Power in them that made them serviceable in that great Work so was it the Divine Power in him which made that what it was and therefore ought we chiefly to appropriate the Salvation to Christ as the Word-God and to the Holy Manhood not any otherwise then Instrumentally or by the same Divine Power in and through it I mean as it was a Chosen Instrument or Vessel in and by which God declared the Blessed Glad-Tidings of Love and his Message of Reconciliation to the World in which he gave the most Heavenly Example of Purity and through whose whole Life Doctrine and Death did shine forth the clearest Evidences of Truth Goodness Mercy Patience deep Travel for the World Self-Denyal Holiness and Triumphant Matyrdom No Wonder then if he be called a Saviour who not only came on an Embassy of Salvation and when come did draw many after him who were struck with the Authority of his Sayings when he allow'd for a time to have their Eyes and Hearts upon him as in that State present with them But afterwards he let his Disciples know of how much Benefit it would be to them that he should leave them How Forever In all Capacities No but as with respect to his outward Appearance that being scattered in that Day to their own Measure of Light Pon er and Life they might know him NO MORE AFTER THE FLESH but witness him come into their Hearts a Comforter who could not leave his true-hearted Disciples comfortless He that is with you shall be in you To be brief that I may yet again express our reverent Sense of Christ's Manifestation so far as relates to that Holy Thing that should be born of Mary take these few particulars in my next Chapter CHAP. XXI A Confession in particular to Christ's Redemption Remission Justification and Salvation I. WE do confess that though the Eternal Power Life and Light which inhabited that Holy Person which was born at Nazareth was is chiefly eminently the Saviour for there is no Saviour besides me saith God yet that it was Instrumentally a Saviour as prepared and choseâ—… oâ—… the Work which Christ had then to do iâ—… it which was actually to the Salvation of some and intentionally of the whole World then and in Ages to come suitable to that Scripture Lo in the Volumn of the Book it is written I come to do thy Will O God a Body hast thou prepared me c. II. That as there was a Necessity that one should dye for the People so whoever then or since believed in Him had and have a Seal or Confirmation of the Remission of their Sins in his Blood and that Blood alluding to the Custom or the Jewish Sacrifices shall be an utter Blotting out of former iniquates carrying them as into a Land of Forgetfulness This grand Assurance of Remission from the Wrath due upon the Score or former Offences do all receive in the Ratifying Blood of Christ who Repenting of their Sins believe and obey the Holy Light with which he hath Illuminated them For Paul's being turned from Darkness to the Light in his Heart was one with his believing in the Son of God revealed in his Heart III. This more glorious Appearance ended that less glorious Service of the Jews the Figures being compleated the Shadows they fell He in that Body preacht and lived beyond those Beggarly Elements He drew Religion more Inward even into the Secret of the Heart and made it to consist in an higher State oâ—… Righteousness called Evangelical and at once became both the Authâ—…ro 〈◊〉 Heavenly Dispensation and therein an Example to all as well Jews and Gentiles sealing such a Common and General Religion to both with his Blood as would forever end the Difference and slay the Enmity that they might be all one in Christ. Thus did he end the Jews External Services
Stress which at other times they lay upon the Scriptures So that finally they deny both the Spirit the Scriptures to be the Rule setting up their own Meanings over both being ignorant of the Scriptures and the Power of God We may believe that the Truth of it is It is more consistent with their Gain and Trade of Preaching that their Meanings should be the Rule over or above the Scriptures then that the Scriptures should be the only or highest Rule to Heaven as sometimes they pretend for that Bibles are had at a great deal cheaper Rate then their Trade of Preaching can be had But then for their own Ends on the other Haâ—…d they can in plain self-Contradiction cry up the Scriptures as the only 〈◊〉 Rule to Heaven when their Design is to divert Peoples Minds from depending upon the DIVINE LIGHT and IMMEDIATE TEACHING OF GOD WITHIN for Life and Salvation Seeing that it 's evident they can more easily avoid the Scriptures Infallibility for their own Ends that they may be Masters both over the Scriptures and Mens Faith for their Lucre and Gain than they can get any of the Children of Light to assist their Trade or any to maintain them therein who are turned from Darkness to the LIGHT to wait upon the Immediate Teachings of God it 's easier for them to evade or dispense with the Scripture's Infallibility then to hinder the true LIGHT WITHIN from shining in Mens Hearts for that is impossible for them Again the Scriptures were not the Presbyterians sole Rule of Faith and Practice when they set forth their 〈◊〉 Confession of Faith and Scotch Covenant agreed upon by the Kirk of Scotland and the Assembly at Westminster which was of no small Charge It 's easie to see that their sole Rule as they have pretended the Scriptures to be they can easily dispense with add to or vary from for their own Ends at their Pleasure both in Doctrine Discipline and Practice as might be instanced not only for their unscriptural Sprinkling Infants but in many otheâ—… Traditions and Babylonish Reliques S. Scandret ' s Sense about the Points in Controversie examined S. S. BY the Light in every Man understand not the Light of the Gospel 2 Cor. 4. 4. lest the Light of the glorious Gospel should shine c. p. 1 2. Answ. The God of the World hath blinded the Minds of them that are lost lest the Light of the glorious Gospel should shine unto them 2 Cor. 4. 4. And this Man's Work is of the same Tendency viz. to blind Peoples Minds which implies that the Light of Christ Jesus which is Gospel-Light is given to all but the Minds blinded by Satan oppose it The Subject which Satan works upon and prevails with is their Minds not the Light S. S. Mark 't is not said the Light but God hath shined p. 7. Answ. A frivolous Exception Can there be such divine Shiâ—…ing without his divine Light God hath shined in our Hearts c. and God is Light S. S. Upon Phil. 3. 16. The Saints were to walk according to their several Attainments what they had got out of the Scriâ—…s by the same Rule c. p. 9. Answ. What Scriptures They were to walk in the Spirit which directed their Minds to God that he might reveal his Mind to them And here was the same Rule the same Thing the same Principle their several Attainments being according to their spiritual Growth in the Light Was the Rule mentioned in 2 Cor. 10. 13. and Gal. 6. 15 16. to be got out of the Bible See this Man's gross Ignorance S. S. Innocency man's perfect Light must not be the wholâ—… his Rule p. 11. Answ. A gross Error God was then his perfect Light and Rule in his Teachings and is not that Light which is perfect whole S. S. We need no infallible Spirit to help to discern the Counsels of Light and Darkness in Scripture for all there comes from God p. 27. Answ. He is not told this by an infallible Spirit for many Counsels of Darkness Serpent and wicked Men both against God Christ and his People are recorded in Scripture And it is the Spirit of Christ which is Infallible that truly opens and reveals the Truths in Scripture to the Understanding of the Children of Light S. S. The Spirit dwelling in all Believers is sometimes a sweet Moâ—…r to Duty though no indwelling Spirit p. 38. 〈◊〉 Gross Ignorance and Confusion What! no indwelling Spirit and yet dwelling in all Believers Did you ever hear such Doctrine before S. S. God's Commands cease not to be God's Commands either because the Spirit doth not within put Men on to obey them c. p. 38. Answ. A gross Inference against the Spirit for the Spirit of Truth leads true Believers into all Truth from which no true and necessary Commands can be excluded unless he will say some of them are no Truths S. S. We are to obey them though the Spirit 〈◊〉 puts not on otherwise some wicked men in living contrâ—…ry to the Scriptures do not sin cannot be damâ—…ed for so doing for sâ—…e have sinned away the Motions and Strivings of 〈◊〉 Spirit p. 8. Answ. What will become of such poor â—…eople that are fed with such Chaff and Darknes as this And what is the Tendency of it but to set 〈◊〉 on to work in their own Wills to set up their own 〈◊〉 without the Movings of the Spirit of God And what will that profit them though without this Spiriâ—… they are carnal and selfish in all their Actiâ—…gs and canâ—…t truly obey Nor can wicked Men who have 〈◊〉 away its Strivings escape Damnation withall S. S. â—…is pressing them to obey the Scriptures wiâ—…hout the Guidance of the Spirit for without him we can do 〈◊〉 but all things through him that strengthneth us S. S. Because a Thing is written in the Scripture are we to do it I will in God's Assistance rowl my self and act Faith on God and Christ because I see the sweet Words in the Scriptures c. p. 38. Answ. This is a Faith of his own making a Will acting that is not grounded upon the Spirit of God and its Perswasion within an imperfect Imitation of the â—…etter wiâ—…hout the Spirit for he hath not an infallible Spirit oâ—… discerning between the Counsels of Light and Darkness in the Heart nor to discern those few Truths it doth reveal as he confesseth p. 27. and 31 So that this Book of his against us prâ—…ceeded from his Darkness and fallible Spirit But if God s Spirit teach us by the Works of Creation and the Light in every Man propounding the Creation to be considered and he helps us to conclude a God thence that he is to be worshiped c. for in him we live move and have our being as is largely confessed p. 53. Then there is a twofold Testimony afforded of God to Mankind viz. Immediate and Mediate as namely First his Spirit or Light 2dly His Works
in all c. Rep. God's Truth is concerned in his gracious Promises both absolute and conditional as well as in his conditional Threats And let it be considered 1st That Man's Dying in the Day he so eat was the Fruit of his Fall into a State of Misery in dying from that State of Righteousness and Felicity he was in before and it was the Natural Effect of his Transgression and yet not so as that God was absolutely bound to bring eternal Death on Man in that day no no nor was divine Justice so narrowly tyed up or short sighted as not to reserve a Remedy for God had the Seed of the Woman in his eye and divine Justice doth not require that eternal Death or the second death shall remain upon any but on the finally Impenitent who continue in Sin under the Power of the first Death for all they who return to God and receive Christ the promised Seed he proves to them both a Just God and a Saviour neither Justice nor the Curse of the Law can limit him from shewing Mercy Remission or Salvation to the Creature upon true Repentance and Faith in Christ Jesus who overcomes the World and the evil Nature from whence those cursed Actions have sprung mentioned Deut. 27. 15. to the end of the Chapter And t is true the Jews outward who rejected the Righteousness of Faith that is received in the Spirit when Christ was set forth and fetcht their Righteousness from the Letter of the Law they did strictly and formally bring themselves under the Curse thereof when they continued not in all that was written But there is no Condemnation or Curse to them that are in Christ Jesus my Opposer leaves out what follows viz. that walk not after the Flesh but after the Spirit Rom. 8. 1. Yet what the Law saith it saith to them that are under the Law that every Mouth may be stopt and all the World may become Guilty before God This Law therefore as thus convicting is Spiritual and tends to man's Conversion in that it is to prepare him for Mercy which divine Justice doth not hinder nor detain the World under the Guilt divine Truth being concerned in the gracious Promises which are Yea and Amen in the Promised Seed that ransoms Man slayes the Enmity crucifies the Transgressors or first Birth which must dye upon which the Law and its Sentence of Death must pass and Man that is guilty must feel this in himself before he be delivered into that State wherein there is no Condemnation or be united to the Lord who Kills and makes Alive So that neither Justice nor Truth in the Law are frustrated the Law is not made void through Faith but established in the Spirituality and Purity of it the Righteousness of the Law being fulfilled in them that walk not after the Flesh but after the Spirit And 't is said that the Righteousness of God without the Law is manifested being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets even the Righteousness of God which is by the Faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe Rom. 3. Christ came to condemn Sin in the Flesh and is the End of the Law for Righteousness to all them that believe and not for the Continuance of Unrighteousness and where Sin is put an End to by Christ the Curse and Condemnation of necessity ceaseth with it and the Righteousness of Faith takes place in the Soul Obj. Adam hath sinned We are by Nature Children of Wrath in our own Persons We have failed hence God's Wrath is up against us God burning in his Wrath is ready to condemn us to take Vengeance on us to consume us as Fire not to Justifie and acquit from our Ill Deserts c. If Burning ten thousand millions of Years in Hell is not enough to turn away his Wrath c. Rep. Thus he hath defined divine Justice as he thinks which is further spoken to hereafter but upon whom must it be thus satisfied supposeth he S. S. Justice is satisfied upon Transgression p. 103. Rep. Then upon Rebellious Transgressors and not upon Christ who was alwayes Innocent and did the things well pleasing to the Father and therefore divine Justice could never burn nor take such Vengeance on him for Satisfaction and let the Guilty go free for so to do could not be Justice the Satisfaction whereof as it intends the Undergoing the Penalty of the Law due for the Injury done Justice can only require it of the Offender and Guilty for whom the Law was made not of the innocent or Righteous for whom the Law was not made But where then were the Mercy or Forgiveness to the poor Creature that hath sinned if God were so engaged to burn in his Wrath and take the full Vengeance upon lost man S. S. His Truth engageth him to execute his Justice in punishing Sin yea to the full should Mercy offer to pronounce any man absolved his Sin unpunished Truth would stop the Mouth of Mercy and say Hold I have Cursed c. Rep. What strange and lamentable Division would this make in God! and how variable and in Contrariety with himself And how Contrary to the Testimonies of his Faithful Witnesses hath this Man rendered God As if absolute Revenge and Wrath towards all Mankind did bear the sole Sway in him over all both his Love Goodness and Mercy Oh sad Is not his Mercy over all his Works and hath he not Forgiveness in store unto whom it is said who is a God like unto Thee that pardoneth Iniquity and passeth by the Transgression of the Remnant of his Heritage he retaineth not his * Anger forever because he delighteth in Mercy Mica 7. 18. The Lord God merciful and gracious forgiving Iniquity Transgression and Sin Exod. 34. 6 7. So that even in the Law Gods Mercy and Forgiveness as well as his Threats were signified which his Truth must needs be concerned in Is it not evident that God is not engaged under Revenge nor his Mercy and Truth divided or opposite as this Man renders him For both must be received and have their place where Judgment and Mercy meet and men through the Law become dead unto the Law so as to know Christ to live in them and through God's Judgment and Chastisements to find a Ransom and an Attonement and God hath Power to turn away Wrath as he doth upon men's true Repentance Humiliation and Return to him as when the King humbled himself the Wrath of the Lord turned away from him 2 Chron. 12. 12. And also Hezekiah seeing the Wrath of the Lord upon Judah and Jerusalem for their doing Evil in his Sight and turning their Backs c. He said Now is it in mine Heart to make a Covenant with the Lord God of Israel that his fierce Wrath may turn away from us 2 Chron. 29. 8 10. And in the King's Letters be ye not stiff necked but yield your selves unto the Lord
the same kind as hath been fully shewed It were more meet for Baptists and others to wait to see Judgment and Chastisement from God upon them to the consuming and wasting away of their corrupt Flesh then to quarrel for it and cry This Body and this very Flesh shall arise again out of the Grave even as Christ's did and with these very Eyes I shall see God pointing at their present Flesh and carnal Eyes when as they do not know but that their Flesh may be divers times consumed and wasted through Judgment or Sickness before they dye and so often in the mean time new Flesh or Bodies thereof restored them as was hinted which if truly obtained as a Token of their inward Renewing unto God were much better and of more Concernment then thus carnally to quarrel for their old corrupt Flesh. W. B. Arg. III. Upon Job Chap. 19. 25 26 27. If Job had that Faith that with his Flesh he should see God then it was not in other Flesh nor yet another Eye but it was both with his Flesh and with his Eye that after this Life he should see God therefore do I conclude that the fleshly Body of Man shall be raised out of the Dust to see God Answ. By all which Assertion and Conclusion we may see and still conclude how gross and carnal these Anabaptists are in their Apprehensions and Thoughts concerning God thus to render him visible to their Flesh and fleshly Eye supposing that Job in his Belief herein and God in his being were like themselves whereas God is invisible and an infinite Spirit not made up of Flesh and Bones to be seen with Flesh and carnal Eyes As also the man has perverted Job's words which are as translated Though after my Skin Worms destroy This Body yet in my Flesh shall I see God Job 19. 26. who before said my Flesh is cloathed with Worms Job 7. 5. It is not that with My Flesh or fleshly Body I shall see God after Worms have destroyed it but I N my Flesh I shall see God Neither did Job quiet himself in his Perplexity with the Belief that his Flesh should see God as is imagined but that he should see God as afterwards he did when he said I have heard of thee by the Hearing of the Ear but now mine Eye seeth thee wherefore I abhor my self c. Job 42. 5. Now that wherein Job was quieted was That he knew that his Redeemer lived who should redeem him out of all his Troubles that he had in the Flesh and that after his outward Body was destroyed out of his perplexed Flesh he should see God in an Immortal State He had no reason to quiet himself upon any Confidence in or concerning that Flesh when he was so disquieted and perplexed in it for those words Chap. 19. ver 26. are differently rendered in the Margins thus After I shall awake though this Body be destroyed yet OUT of my Flesh shall I see God see the Margined Bibles of the last Translation with Hebrew notes and various Translation Now there is a great Difference between seeing God With my Flesh and seeing God Out of my Flesh after it is destroyed But to these men that believe that with their Flesh or fleshly Bodies they shall see God he may say as he said to the Wicked Thou thoughtest that I was altogether such a one as thy self but I will reprove thee and set them to wit thy Iniquities in order before thine Eyes Psal. 50. 21. yea thou thoughtest that I was so like thy self as that thou mightest see me with thy Flesh and fleshly Eyes But thy Thoughts in this were very carnal and thy Apprehensions very gross thou shalt find thou art mistaken I am an invisible All-seeing Spirit that searches Hearts and penetrates through the dark Spirits and Cogitations of Men to bring their secret Thoughts to Judgment and set their evil Actions in order before them And there were those that saw Christ's outward or bodily Appearance that had neither heard the Voice of God nor seen his Shape Joh. 5. 37. And Philip said to Christ shew us the Father and it sufficeth us It was not enough for them nor yet a seeing the Father to see Christ's Body or Person both Father and Son being truly and savingly to be seen in Spirit And said Christ a Spirit hath not Flesh and Bones as you see me have The Anthropomorphites who were Monks inhabiting the Deserts of Aegypt held That God was a Person in the Bigness and Stature of a Man mistaking that Saying Let us make Man in our own Jmage applying it to the Man 's outward Similitude and so do the Blasphemous Muggletonians and therefore that God is visible to the Carnal Eye and fleshly Body from which these Baptists Doctrine of seeing God with their Flesh and fleshly Bodies is little Different W. B. Arg. IV. The fourth Witness to this Truth is Martha Joh. 11. 24. Her Brother Lazarus being dead that She believed that he should rise again at the Last Day in the Resurrection If the Resurrection of dead Lazarus or that of Lazarus laid in the Grave was believed and assented to by Martha c. Answ. That Martha had such a Belief from the Jews Opinion of the Resurrection as she intimated of Lazarus his Body which Christ did then raise is not the matter in Question But that they and she had it from Christ or the true and spiritual Understanding thereof doth not therefore follow but rather the Contrary from Christ's own following reprehensive Diversion after Martha said I know that he shall rise again in the Resurrection at the Last Day Jesus said unto her I am the Resurrection and the Life he that believeth in me though he were dead yet shall be live and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never dye Joh 11. 24 25. but our Opposer was not pleased to take Notice of this Answer of Christ's but only of Martha's Words and Belief and to argue from thence after this manner Arg. V. The Word Resurrection implyeth to rise again Answ. And can this be applyed to nothing nor any other wise then to that very Flesh or gross Body that returns to Dust Is not Christ the Resurrection and the Life And doth not to Rise again imply that Man was fallen before and that as in Adam all dye so in Christ shall all be made alive And is not Resurrection applicable to that which is quickened and must this be understood only of the Dust of dissolved Bodies without any Creation For he saith If God give another Body and raise not again that Body that before was in being then it is a Creation and no Resurrection So that from hence it is a Resurrection of the same Dust of the gross Bodies dissolved that seems to be expected by these men and not any Creation and therein is their great Mercy and Comâ—…ort though they do not acquiesce herein from Contention and Quarrelling But in
in apt Resemblances obvious to the Sences as Tophet is ordained of old yea for the King it is prepared he hath made it deep and large the Pile thereof is Fire and much Wood the Breath of the Lord like a Stream of Brimstone doth kindle it Isa. 30. 33. and Bind him Hand and Foot and cast him into ulter Darkness there shall be Weeping and Gnaâ—…hing of Teeth Mat. 22. 13. As also If thy right Eye Hand or Foot offend pluck it out or cut it off and cast it from thee as being better that one Member should perish then the whole Body should be cast into Hell where the Worm dyeth not and the Fire shall never be quenched Mat. 〈◊〉 29. Mark 9. 49. to the end Which still argues that the Impenitent and Wicked are liable to meet with real â—…orment and that he hath spiritually his proper Being and Habit consisting of such spiritual Parts and Sences having an evil Eye a polluted Mind and defiled Conscience covered with Guilt pressed down with the Body of Sin and perplexed with Horror wherein he both receiveth the Deeds 〈◊〉 in the Body and is capable of absolute Misery in the Fire which shall never be quenched where the Worm dyeth not As also it is said The Rich Man also dyed and was buried and in Hell he lift up his Eyes being in Torments and seeth Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his Bosom and he cried said Father Abraham have Mercy on me and send Lazarus that he may dip the Tip of his Finger in Water and cool my Tongue for I am tormented in this Flame Luk. 16. 23 24. When his Body was buried yet he had the Sence of Torments that seized upon him and a Sight of the other's Felicity which he himself had lost Therefore as Christ said I say unto you my Friends be not afraid of them that can kill the Body and after that have no more that they can do but I will fore-warn you whom ye shall fear fear him which after he hath killed hath Power to cast into Hell I say unto you fear him Luk. 12. 4 5. A Summary of the Difficulties in the Point in Controversie FInally The Controversie is run up to these Difficulties which I object upon our Opposers Doctrines and Conceptions 1st How the self same Bodies should arise compleat after dissolved to Dust without a New Creation appears not nor is it demonstrated by them 2. If a New Creation of compleat Bodies of the same Dust and Elements should be conceived or admitted it is Incredible that God should create any corrupt sinful or polluted Bodies thereof for perpetual Torments seeing his Works are pure And as Incredible that he should make a pure Body to be invested with the former Evil Habit of Sin and Corruption for perpetual Torment in Hell-Fire and to be sure the first Elements or Dust of dissolved â—…odies is as pure as at the first 3. If Infants be supposed to arise at the Stature of Men how can theirs be the self-same Bodies they were 4. How the Body of the Saints and Children of the Resurrection should be either a Celestial Spiritual Glorious or Angelical Body and they Equal unto the Angels in Heaven and yet the self-same Earthly Elementary Body that dissolveth to Dust c. such a strange Transubstantiation appears not unless that the Natural Body and the Spiritual the Terrestrial and the Celestial the Human and Angelical be both One and the Self-same 5. That the Soul should not enjoy her self in absolute Felicity or Misery in perfect Glory or Contempt in her proper Vessel or Cloathing spiritually without the Earthly Cloathing which is Dust appears not while the Children of the Resurrection are equal unto the Angels of God in Heaven which are absolutely Happy and the Devil and his Angels absolutely Miserable 6. We cannot believe that the Invisible Infinite God should be seen with the Bodily or fleshly Eyes after Dissolution not that Job intended he should see God with his Flesh or bodily Eyes It being in consistent both with his being an Invisible Eternal or Infinite Spirit and with the true spiritual Sight of him which Job received Job 42. 5. 7. That the Seed to which God giveth a Body as it pleaseth him 1 Cor. 15. and the Body given to it should be one and the self same Earthly Body is a non-sensical Doctrine and an apparent Incongruity 8. That the Terrestrial Bodies should be so desirable to the Souls of the Righteous after Dissolution for the compleating their Felicity and perfecting their Glory appears plainly inconsistent with their desiring here to be dissolved and to be absent from the Body to enjoy and possess a Building of God au House eternal in the Heavens Or that the Souls of the Righteous should be so variable as to desire to be absent from the Body and presently after Dissolution to desire the Resuming of the same Earthly Body or a Re-union to it This implicitely accuseth the Souls of deceased Saints with being in their Affections both Earthly Variable and Unquiet as in a kind of Purgatory Which we can never assent to Thomas Vincent's Illustrations ABOUT THE RESURRECTION Which we may look upon as the Sense of the Rest and as the Explication of their Doctrines and Opinions who are Opposing the Spirituality of our Testimony about the Resurrection Among which some Truths are intermixt though his gross and carnal Conceptions about the Point we cannot close with His Illustrations are in his Book entituled Christ's Certain and Suddain Appearance to Judgment Collected and Placed in his own Words as followeth for the Serious and Spiritual-minded Readers to judge of T. V. GIve me leave to illustrate the Resurrection a little further and here I shall endeavour to set it forth by an Allusion to that notable place Ezek. 37. and ten first Verses pag. 16. some thing like this will the Resurrection be at the Last Day Now the Bones and Bodies of all former Generations are scattered up and down in the Valley of the Shadow of Death some are sunk into the Deep others are buried in the Earth the Flesh is consumed and resolved into its first Elements and the Bones of some remain of others are mouldred into Earth Now when the Lord Jesus Christ the Son of God shall come down from Mount Sion which is above into the Valley of this inferiour World he will Prophesie over all the Bodies and Bones of all the Children of Men that are dead and speak unto them to Live he will say unto them whilft they lie rotting in their Graves Live he will say Awake ye that sleep in the Dust And Oh what a Noise and Shaking will there be then in the Ground What a clattering of Bones together in the coming of Bone to his Bone If the Body hath been quartered and buried part in one place and part in another as the Levite's Concubine who was divided into Twelve Parts and sent to the Twelve Tribes of
suffering Times and se 〈◊〉 Inâ—…erest and Gain hath much stopt you (t) You cannot get them rooted out without the Power of God which only is received by believing in his Light within (v) Your House is not yet purged of them however this was an honest Care to endeavour such a purging better then to excommunicate Persons for owning the Light within (w) Which they are very prone to for Advantage (x) Many more Evils you had nâ—…od now to spread before them But S. S. tells us not whether or no he owns those Books called Apocrypka or any of them as any part of his Rule or Canon or whether he is not of the same Opinion with his Masters of the Assembly where in their confession they say that the Books commonly call'd Apocrypha not being of divine Inspiration are no part of the Canon of the Scriptures therefore are of no Authority in the Church of God nor to be any otherwise approved or made use of then other human Writings Thus farr the Assembly but this general Debasement of these Books we cannot own 1 Sam 28. 11. 〈◊〉 This Contra-distinction is his own or Tutor's Inventing * Mark well pag. 93. pag. 94. pag. 95. pag. 96. * Though they seem to render Adam worse then the Devil who is the Author of sin and Immediate Tempter to it to lay more to Adam's Charge then to the Devil or their own corrupt Hearts and vile Affections which constantly attâ—…nd them pag. 98. Luk. 15. 18 19. pag. 99. To his 10. 11th Argum. pag. 89. pag. 130. pag. 100. pag. 100. The Apostles Doctrine our Opposers Inconsistent * Many more Comparisons instances might be produced to 〈◊〉 how inconsisient our Opposers are with the true Apostles and their Doctrine Object pag. 101. pag. 102. Notewhat Doctrine is here Phil. 3 4 5 6 7 8 9. Arg. 12. 13. pag. 103. pag. 103. 104. pag. 104. pag. 106. pag. 102. pag. 104. Truth saith not this to Christ but to the Offenders Deut. 27. A Testimony against S. S's Doctrine Isa. 43. 11 25. pag. 104. pag. 104. pag. 105. As S. S. hath pag. 105. Also his Brother T. Dans. saith Christ was not Innocent but guilty of our Sins when he suffered Synops. p. 36 40. pag. 105. pag. 105. Heb. 12. 24. Chap. 9. 14 15. pag. 106. Christ's tasting Death for every Man could not be the same with the full Punishment that 's due for Sin pag. 106. pag. 107. pag. 108. Is not this like the Language of Hell or theirs saing of Christ will he kil himself And he is guilty of death This is something like his Brother W. Haworth his Affirming That the Father poured out all his Wrath upon his Son Jesus Christ and that this way he Satisfied Vengeance which he cals his Justice in his Epistle to their Quaker Converted answered by John Crook and W. Bayly in their Book Rebellion rebuked but the Adversaries of Truth shall finde there 's wrath yet for them if they repent not pag. 109. pag. 109. pag. 109. pag. 109. pag. 110. pag. 110. Object 〈◊〉 Hebr. 9. 23. The Presbyterians or Predestinarians Gospel anti-scriptural The Conditions and Tendence of the Quakers Gospel Scriptural Presbyter Opinion * What soever makes no Exception of either good or bad Actions of men and this is high Ranterism * Note They place it upon particular Persons rendering God a Respecter of Persons * Whereas he dyed for all men and is a Propitiation for the Sins of the whole World These were of cur Opposers 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is Order or Rank 1 Cor. 15. 23. Edom relates to the Earthly Birth Gen. 35. 10. Confession of Faith The Hardness and Cruelty of Pharaoh 〈◊〉 appâ—…ared against the Hebrews witness the Murtherous Intentioâ—… of that King who gave Command to kill thâ—… Male-children Exod 1. 16. their great Affliction Bondage v. 11 14. until the Lord heard their Cry aâ—…ter much Forbcarance pag. 115. * Which is our Sense of the Matter in both * Note the Consequences of the Predestinaâ—…ian Opinion against universaâ—… Grace Pag. 116. 1 Sam. 11. 5 15. 12. 9. Psal. 89 These many do slight and refuse and both resist grieve quench the Spirit in its low and tender Appearance to their own Destruction and Misery when the Love and long Suffering of God is turned into Wrath and Indignation against them * How long before their Conformity to Christ were they appointed Was it from all Eternity or rather in their Age and Time Had not this and all other meer Acts and Works of God a beginning in their time and season considered as meer Acts Could this of his appointment then be from eternity and so far a Preappointment meerly respecting particular Persons and with exclusion of all besides from any saving Grace This is still harsh and partial and unequal contrary to God's Wayes although as the general Fore-appointment and Ordination of God concerning the true Believers and obedient is that they shall be saved So this Predestina ion or Fore-appointment includes or reaches all the many holy Brethren in whom Christ is formed Vid. Mass in Lat. Eng. by Ja. Mountain pag. 121 122 123. pag. 69. Pag. 69. Pag. 70. Pag. 70. Indef Seek pag. 71. The Light within the Rule Pag. 74. Vide Gill's Sermen on Eccl. 7. 19 20. in his Essay * Dialoge 1 Cor. 15. 22 23. 2 Cor. 5. 1. 8. Phil. 1. 21. Acts 17. 30 31. Mat. 10. 15. 11. 22 24. 12. 36. Job 21. 30. 2 Pet. 2. 9. 3. 7. Psal. 102. 25. Hebr. 1. 10 11 21. See also 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Chap. 19. 〈◊〉 * He takes It for Idem the Self same Body but where hath he this â—…ither from the Greek or Latine on the place cited Isa. 3. 9. Luk. 20. 35. * T. D. 〈◊〉 Note Pag. 16. * Note Then not the same gross Bodies but as a pure Extract * Which cannot be This 〈◊〉 Flesh. * Not Why are we not then to have as spiritual a Sense of the Resurrection * Nay they shall have far better * A Glory 〈◊〉 that of 〈◊〉 Earthly Bodies * Not only as spiritually qualified but as a spiritual Body * Which excel all Terrestrial Bodies * Concerning the Judgment of the Wiked * Which is not Carnal but Spiritual * And who must make so vile and like Devils * And who must drag the Devils to Judgment then if they must be so officious for Justice * What sad Work 's here * He thinks of a Good Place for himself however * Rather an empty talk to sell at a dear raâ—… * Presbyters are not wont to be so free * Is it so then God did not decree it as his own meer Wist Pleasure 〈◊〉 personal Election and Reprobation * Was he so Good Doctrine But then he did not decree their Damnation from eternity * True then the true light was freely given to them to shew them the Way out of evil * That was their Fault still and not Gods Decreâ—… * What will become of the Covetous Priests and Presbyters then * And so did many of the Presbyters when parish Priests * An Uncharitable Sentence * The guilty Conscience and dâ—…filed Mind is attended with such Imaginations of Torments which though they are not real but Imaginary yet they produce a real Torment and Horror to some and in these things appears an Image of that future Darkness that the Wicked will have their due Rewards in But these frightfull Stories of T. Vincent's do not fright People out of their Sins nor reach their Consâ—… for that End They must be directed to the LIGHT which discovers Sin and disturbeth Men in their wicked Courses as he corâ—…sesseth To this they must come and bring their Deeds whoever escape Damnation or attain to the blessed Resurrection and future Glory From a true Sence and Knowledge of the Terrors of the Lord men may be perswaded from Evil to Good and their Hearts become broken with a sence of his Goodness therein when meer Dreams and Fancies will not fright them to Heaven nor truly reduce them from any Sin or Evil. * Note 2 Cor. 5.