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A12703 The high vvay to Heaven by the cleare light of the Gospell cleansed of a number of most dangerous stumbling stones thereinto throwen by Bellarmine and others In a treatise made vpon the 37. 38. and 39. verses of the 7. of Iohn: wherein is so handled the most sweete and comfortable doctrine of the true vnion and communication of Christ and his Church, and the contrarie is so confuted, as that not onely thereby also summarilie and briefly, and yet plainly all men may learne rightly to receiue the sacrament of Christs blessed bodie and blood, but also how to beleeue and to liue to saluation. And therefore entitled The highway to Heauen. By Thomas Sparke Doctor of Diuinitie. Sparke, Thomas, 1548-1616. 1597 (1597) STC 23021; ESTC S102434 161,682 384

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they hold to be the traditions of their Church yea nothing else in effect but their Popes pleasures the best learned amongst them are not ashamed to bestow great paines to accuse the scriptures of such insufficiencie and obscuritie to this purpose as that without the helpe of these their traditions the doctrine of faith and good manners could neither certainelie nor sufficientlie be learned at a●l Yea herein they haue some of them as to their perpetuall and euerlasting shame it is well knowen Andridius Ecchius Lindan Hosius Canisius Censura Colon. gone so farre in their writings as that they haue not blusht to set it downe as a catholicke trueth that the greatest part is left to be determined by their traditions that the scriptures were left rather to be vnder the Church then to haue authoritie ouer her that it were a pittiful thing if the Church should be tied to the Canonicall scriptures in euerie thing to be ruled and oueruled thereby eye that it cannot noreuer will be well with the Church as long as the lay people are suffered to read them or to heare them red for they are so obscure and their sense is so flexible and heard to be found say they that thence all heresies are suckt and that their sense is as but a leaden rule or a nose of waxe vnlesse it be stifned streighted and kept euen by the helpe of their traditions Wherein most expresly they resemble the heretikes that Irenaeus describes in his third booke and second chapter who for traditions thus defaced the scriptures What greater blasphemies can be vttered against the maiestie of God the author of these scriptures For he hauing left them vnto his Church in his good prouidence by his penmen for hir better direction to know his will and then to beleeue and liue accordingly as out of all doubt he haith how may we thinke without doing of him the greatest wrong that may be that he hath left it therein no perfecter a rule then they hold to this end For were not this in effect to say that eyther he could not for lacke of power skill and wisedome or that else he would not for lacke of loue and care towardes it make it any sufficienter and certamer For what reason else can there be that he should vndertake begin goe forward as he hath with such a rule for the direction therof and yet leaue it when he hath done so maimed and so vnprofitable as they would make it Now to haue but eyther of these conceites of God were it not most absurde and iniurious vnto him For how can we spoile him either of infinite wisedome or of infinite and most perfect loue care to wardes his Church but withall we plainely denie him to be the true God Wherfore let vs whatfoeuer these men say to the cōtrary learne to beleeue as onely the canonical scriptures of God teach vs to that end purpose let vs now as briefly as we cā take a view what they do teach vs in this respect behalfe Concerning this point What faith the scripture heere requireth first it is out of doubt whatsoeuer the Lord hath taught or told for trueth in these canonicall scriptures we are most firmely by faith to aslent vnto to be so and therefore hereof howsoeuer to discredit vs withall the papistes would seeme to the contrary we neither make nor moue any cōtrouersie with them Yea we most heartily wish and pray that as they define faith to be a firme assent to the whole reuealed wil of God by his word that once it would please God to giue them but this faith to assent in deed without wauering to that which he hath taught in his written word in the canonicall scriptures for then all the controuersies betwixt them vs would streight be at an end But alas they enforce such a sense vpō these scriptures so equal their vnwrittē word of traditions herwith that as long as they take this course there is no hope that euer they either can or wil haue this grace wherfore to leaue them a while grounded farre more vpō their own vnwritten traditions then vpon the canonical scriptures for the substāce of their faith the next thing that we are to vnderstand touching faith is that when it is spoken of as it is here in my text it importeth more then this general assent to al trueth taught in the canonical scriptures For that brings one no further then credere Deo Deum de Deo that is to beleeue or credit God to beleeue that he is what he is wheras here in my text expresly Christ saith he that beleeueth in me thereby requiring that we should not thinke it inough to beleeue him as a speaker alwaies of trueth or to beleeue that he is such a one in person office as I haue shewed him to be for both these he hath already sufficiently called for at our hands in bidding of vs come vnto him but that it is necessarie for vs if we would haue him to be our meat drinke indeed to goe yet further that is to beleue in him Which is indeed the former lessons being wel taken out therupon as vpon a most sound foundation to ground a most certaine trust confidence that in for through and by him whollie and solie freely sullie we shal be iustified heere and saued heere after To all the former degrees of faith the reprobate and such as are destitute fo the graces of regeneration sanctification yea the verie diuels may come namely to yeald that euery thing is as God hath said it to be in his written word to credit him bicause he is trueth it self to beleue that he is that he is also such a one as he therin sets forth himself to bee this may therfore make them to tremble as Iames saith 2.19 But this is not the faith of Gods elect that Paule speakes of to Titus cap. 1. nor that which he saith worketh by charitie Gal. 5.6 nor that which is said purifieth the heart Act. 15.9 nor that whereof it is so often and so vniuersally said Whosoeuer beleeueth in him shall not perish but hane eternall life Io. 3.15 c. Necessary it is that Gods elect haue all these degrees and branches of faith and the beleeuing thus farre is alwaies found in them before they can beleeue in Iesus Christ so as that through him they can haue any assurance of their saluation but if they will haue such a faith whereby in Christ Iesus they shall be iustied then they must nor stay in these generalities but they must set Christ with all his graces necessarie for either their iustification or saluation before them and by imbracing and applying him particularly vnto them all that euer he did for mans saluation as euen done particularly most certainly forthē in him and by him so made theirs they are to be assured that God hath freely
natures together to the constitution of a man as they doe though infinitely it come short of the reaching to the excellencie of this mysterie that we now speake of may truely be said in diuerse respectes to be a heauenly creature and an earthly mortall and immortall heauenly and immortall in respect of his soule and earthlie mortall in regard of his bodie and diuerse thinges that are proper to the bodie are yet saide of the soule and contrarie they which are speciall to the soule are affirmed of the bodie as for example we say somtimes the soule of man awaketh or sleepeth which are properly saide of the bodie and we say the bodie heareth seeth or vnderstandeth when as in deede the body can doe none of these but by the soule and yet as wee thinke they destroy the nature of man that eyther for the vnion or coupling of these two together to make a man or for any of these phrases woulde eyther turne the one of these into the other confounde one of these with the other or inuest the one nature reallie with the properties that be speciall and peculiar vnto the other so holde we it most firmely in this case that it is plainely hereticall to doe the like These things therfore thus weied and considered we haue iust cause to say and thinke with the Apostle That great is the mysterie of Godlines namely euen this that God is manifested in the flesh and yet iustifyed in the spirit seene of Angels preached vnto gentiles beleeued on in the worlde and receiued vp into glorie 1. Tim. 3.16 And by these thinges we may so clearely see our Christ in person to be verie God and verie man and yet for all that but one person as that both with the Apostle Paul we may call him The mightie and blessed God for euer 2. Tim. 2.13 and the man Christ Iesus 1.2.5 and yet still speake of him as but of the one person as hee doth in both these places And to conclude this pointe heereby also euen sufficientlie we may see and heare all the heretiques and their heresies confuted that euer yet haue sette themselues against anie pointe or parte of the trueth of this doctrine of his person For heereby againste Ebion Cerinthus and Photinus denying his Godheade that hath beene a duouched and against Marcion confessing that and denying the truth of his manhoode that hath beene likewise plainely prooued and consequently Arrius that held rightly of neyther affirming that in respect of the one he was but a created spirit and in regard of the other a bodie onely without any other soule then his created Godhead and Apollinaris that denied that he had the minde or reasonable soule of a man howsoeuer he granted him the sensitiue and growing soule are confounded also especially remembring further that Christ himselfe as plainely to teach them by his wordes that he had a verie soule of a man as by experience they sawe and found he had the very body of a man said not onely that his soule was heauy vnto death Math. 26.38 but dying as Luke reporteth 23.46 cryed with a lowde voyce Father into thy handes I commend my spirit And Nestorius that helde the two natures in him only to be vnited by consociation and assistance and that therefore he had stil a Godhead and a manhood not onely distinct in their natures but also so that in him the sonne of God was one and the sonne of the virgin an other as he was condemned in the counsel of Ephesus for one that was led by the spirit of Antichrist for his so loosing or dissoluing of Iesus so hath the Apostle directly confuted him in this place to the Phillipians and Iohn also as I haue shewed in setting downe plainely that he that was in the forme of God whome Iohn called the worde so tooke vnto himselfe the forme of a seruant that he was made very man or flesh Eutiches also who to ouerthrowe Nestorius taught that the two naturs are so vnited after the incarnation that howsoeuer they were two before after they are but one cannot stand with the apparant distinction that Paule hath made betwixt the assumer and assumed nature both before in and after the assuming of the one by the other vnto himselfe And whereas if this opinion of his were true it should thereupon follow that then eyther the Godhead shoulde be turned into the manhoode or the manhoode into the Godhead for that of the commixtion of both a third thing should growe Euerie one of these absurd consequentes Paule hath refelled also by teaching vs both to remayne without eyther turning of the one into the other or confounding one of them by anie commixtion or otherwise one with an other as we haue hearde And consequentlie heereby both the Lutherans and Papistes who for the maintenance of their grosse reall presence and mouth eating of Christ both God and man doe most eagerlie striue and contende to entitle the manhoode of Christ with the peculiar properties of the Godheade as to be muisible incircumscriptible c. are most plainly prooued to teach heerein hereticall and damned doctrine for that thus confounding the properties with Eutiches in deede and trueth they confounde the natures themselues and therefore let them as they may iustly take the condemnation of Eutiches in the councell of Calcedon to bee also directly their condemnation Vnder this same condemnation come the heretiques 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 so called because Eutiches being condemned they durst not say whom they followed though with him they hold but one nature after the incarnation to remaine and the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that thought the diuine nature was turned into the humaine and that therfore they might say that it suffered and the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 also which holding that there was nothing lefte but the diuine nature and that the other was absorpte of that yet helde that that nature was ignoraunte of manie thinges and the Aphterdoxitae who helde that the humaine nature was impassible for the coniunxion that it had with the diuine and also the Monothelites who therefore taught that there was but onelie will in the person of Christ For all these stumbled and fell with Eutiches in vrging so the vnion of the two natures that they in effecte one waie or other ere they had done eyther by confounding the natures or the properties left but one in effecte Let vs therefore whatsoeuer heretiques eyther olde or newe haue thought or doe or shall thinke to the contrarie moste constantlie holde this as the verie rocke and foundation whereupon if we bee builte and stande faste the verie gates of hell shall neuer preuaile against vs that Christe Iesus in person is verie GOD the seconde person in the trinitie and also verie man the sonne of the blessed virgine Marie and therefore that both these two are so personally vnited in him that he is one person and that without any conuersion of the one nature into
will of the flesh nor of the will of man but of God Iohn 1.12 13. And Christ hath most plainely said Iohn 3.5.6 Verely verely I say vnto thee except a man be borne of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdome of God that which is borne of the flesh is flesh and that which is borne of the Spirit is Spirit And yet more plainely to assure vs of the trueth of this point Paule in expresse words hath taught vs that faith is the fruite of the Spirit Gal. 5.22 Ordinarily the worde preached But yet we must not thinke though the Spirit can extraordinarily worke this faith without meanes immediately where when and in whom it listeth that yet notwithstanding ordinarily it doth it by the ministrie of the word and that preached For so Paule concludeth saying Rom. 10.17 Then faith is by hearing and hearing by the worde of God And therefore accordingly 1. Cor. 1.17 he writeth That seeing the world by wisedome knew not God in the wisedome of God it please him by the foolishnesse of preaching to saue those that beleeue And therefore also he notes it is an especial fruit and effect of Christes ascension Ephes 4.10.11 c. that he gaue and bestowed sundrie ministries there mentioned vpon his Church for the repairing of the Saintes for the worke of the ministrie and for the edification of the bodie of Christ Till we all meete togither in the vnitie of faith and the acknowledging of the sonne of God vnto a perfect man and vnto the measure of the age of the fulnesse of Christ that we henceforth be no more children wauering and caried away with euerie winde of doctrine by the deceit of men and craftinesse whereby they lay in waite to deceiue Saint Peter also agreable heereunto in his first Epistle Cap. 1.22.23 c. noteth that our souls are purified in obeying the truth thorow the spirit being borre again not of mortall seed but of immortal by the word of God which after there he saith endureth for euer and is that which is preached amongst them Whereupon therefore in the next chapter he exhorteth them to lay aside all malitiousnes all guile dissunulation enuie and euill speaking and as new borne babes to desire the sincere milke of the worde that they may grow vp thereby if it be so they had tasted how bountifull the Lord was Vers 1.2.3 Whereunto we had as much neede to list●n as euer they had For these are the daies wherein we liue wherin that prophecie of Christ is fulfilled Mat. 34. touching the danger that should be by false prophets and teachers able if it were possible to seduce the verie elect Verse 24. and wherein he may behold multitudes for lacke of foode and faithfull preachers and teachers as sheepe hauing no sheepheard dispersed and scattered and therefor in respect wherof he may also say Surely the haruest is great but the labourers are few And by the administration of Sacraments I woulde to God therefore we coulde and woulde euerie one of vs according to his counsell there Praie the Lord of the haruest to thrust out labourers into his haruest Matth. 9.3.6 c. Besides the bare preaching of the worde as it is well knowne and confessed of all for the better both breading and nourishing of this our faith as an outward good meanes for the spirite to worke that effect in vs by our most gratious and louing GOD knowing howe slowe to beleeue we woulde bee hath left and giuen vnto vs visible and palpable Sacramentes thereby as it were to seale and more particularly to apply vnto vs all the good promises of saluation in Christ Iesus as namelie nowe baptisme and the supper of the Lorde to vs of the newe Testament The first whereof offereth vnto vs and sealeth the deliuerie to the right receiuer thereof of his regeneration teaching him to looke for it at the handes of God the Father through God the Sonne by the mightie working of the holie Ghost onelie in that onelie he is baptized in water in their names And the other is a Sacrament of his continuall nourishment to eternall life in and by the broken bodie and bloodeshed of Christ Iesus And therefore as to be a man it is necessarie but once to be borne but yet after often to bee sedde so is it most necessarie for those that woulde euer growe to bee perfect men in Christ Iesus but once to bee baptized but often to receiue the other Sacrament And it must be remembred alwaies that both these offer and set before vs one and selfe same Christ the one that he may by his blood wash vs cleane from our sinnes and regenerate vs that we may beginne to lead a newe and a holy life the other that by his body broken and his bloode shed for vs he may be both meate and drinke and sufficient spirituall foode and nourishment vnto our hungrie and thirstie soules but then withall we may vnderstand that the same Christe to the same endes is offered still vnto vs when his Gospell is preached vnto vs onely this is the difference as I said before that the worde offers and sets him before vs in generall and these in particuler and speciall manner leade vs vnto him And whereas the word to breede or nourish faith in vs stricketh onely the sense of our hearing these duely ministred doe not onely the better to prouoke and strengthen the same mooue and strike that but also our sight smelling tast and feeling And therefore as it was noted by Paule He●●● 2. that the cause why the worde which the Iewes heard in the wildernesse profited them not because it was not mixed with faith in those that heard it so is it most certaine that these shall not profit vs though outwardly we be partakers thereof neu●r so much if we haue not faith to pearse further than to the outward elementes and if it be a fault so to harden our heartes when the worde is but preached that we take not occasion thereby to beleeue it must needes be a farre greater fault if these added therunto we be still vnfaithfull And therefore as in respect of hearing of the word the Apostle said Heb. 3.5 So long as it is said to day harden not your heartes as in the prouocation for some when they heard prouoked him to anger so say I vnto you in respect of both much more To this ende neuer forget the examples of Simon Magus and of Iudas whereof though the one was baptized as we read he was Act. 8.18 and the other was with Christ at the institution of the other Sacrament as it appeareth Luke 22.21 yet as it appeares in both those chapters for that they neither of them had any sound or true faith they were neuer the better but the worse for that to their other sinnes they added in the receiuing of these the prophaning as much as lay in them of both thes If when the word is preached
then to the vniting of Christes bare bodie and bloode and the right communicant togither For as he both in bodie and soule standeth neede of him to be his Sauiour so it is certaine as Christ both God and man perfecte God and perfecte man in one person is the head and husband of his Church and the redeemer and Sauiour thereof so here faith is to feed so vpon his body broken blood shed as that withall it must stedfastly conceiue and beleeue that it was is the body and blood of such an one as was and is both very God and man and yet but one person For thence it cōmeth that the things done for vs by his broken bodie and blood shed though in number and time wherein they were done they were finite are in the sight of the heauenly Father of infinite value and dignitie as once I said before to worke our perfect redemption and saluation that they were done by such a man that had not onely a perfect bodie and soule of a man and in them both was such an one as it became vs to haue that was seperate from sinners Heb. 7.27 but also was and remaineth for euer a true euerlasting God and therefore was able thus to dignifie the workes done for vs in his manhood And to this end it is most heauenly and diuinely noted Heb. 9. that the force that the offring that Christ made of himselfe vpon the crosse for vs to purge our consciences from dead workes to serue the liuing God commeth and riseth from hence that then by his eternall Spirit he offered himselfe without fault to God for vs. And though I am not ignorant that Chrisostome to very good purpose in his 46. Homilie vpon Iohn interpreting those wordes of Christ Iohn 6.63 It is the spirit that quickneth the flesh profiteth nothing the wordes that I speake vnto you are spirit and life notes that they were spoken by Christ not to disable his flesh altogether from being profitable because so to thinke is absurd but to warne vs that carnally we vnderstand not his wordes which by his interpretation there we doe if we take his wordes simplie as they sound thinke no otherwise of them for that as he saith all misteries are to be considered with inward eies that is spiritually yet I cannot but thinke with others also that in so saying Christ meante not onely to teach vs that his wordes were not grosly and camally to betaken that he had spoken of the eating of his flesh and drinking of his bloode as the Capernaits and such of his hearers that beleeued not then tooke them but spiritually as his beleeuing disciples who notwithstanding them taried with him when the other murmured or departed by occasion thereof but that therin he had this further meaning and purpose to shew them that if his flesh and blood were as they tooke them but the flesh and bloode of a man then they could not be indeed such foode for their soules as he had taught them to be but beeing as they were the flesh and blood of such an one as withall was a spirit and that an eternall creating Spirit euen very God thence they might be sure that they rightly fed on by faith and the spirite both could and would bring life Thus therefore we teach and exhort all men in the vse of this Sacrament to feede vpon the bodie broken and blood shed of our Christ and Sauiour And yet thus we speake with Christ and according to the phrase vsed in the institution therof because as by Christ God and man as by our onely mediatour we come to the Father so it hath pleased God in his word to reueale him vnto vs that by his manhood and the workes done therin we should grow on to faith in his Godhead vnited thereunto and so shining manifesting it selfe vnto vs therin Thus then I hope by this time euen by this plaine and short declaration onely of our faith and iudgement concerning the doctrine and nature of this Sacrament The conclusion of this our doctrine you may most clearely see and perceiue that we are wonderfully wronged and slandered and that so also are all the Churches of our profession by our aduersaries whiles to discredit vs withal they would make men belecue that we make it but a naked Supper of bread and wine and so seeke to feede our people therein but with bare signes and figures For you may see and heare that most plainely and earnestly we vrge our hearers therein to seeke to feed to their eternall saluation of Christ Iesus himselfe both God and man and so many other notable vses thereof as you heare we teach that euen in respect thereof all the names and titles that any sound antiquitie hath honoured this Sacrament withal may most iustly be giuen vnto it as it is ministred and vsed by vs. We finde it hath beene called the Supper of the Lord the Table of the Lord the Sacrament of his bodie and bloode the Eucharist a Sacrifice and Synaxis and vsually with vs it is called the Cōmuniō And which of these is it not with vs It is the supper of the Lord because as we teach at the last supper he instuted it and it is his Table because therin he feedeth his with himself it is the Sacrament of his body blood because to his it is a sacred meanes of the Lord to nourish strengthen and exercise their faith therein it is the Eucharist because thereby we are so directly forceably occasioned as we are to yeeld all heartie thankes vnto God for the death and passion of Christ lesus whereof it is so notable a memorial and a Sacrifice euen therfore also it may be tearmed also Synaxis it is because it is an excellent bond of our assemblies and meetings together to receiue it and lastly worthily we may and doe call it the Communion be cause it is a seale first of our communion with Christ and then of one of vs with an other in him And yet for all this though this most certainely be the generall doctrine held with one consent by all the Churches that professe the Gospell with vs except of a fewe peeuish and wilfull Lutherans our aduersaries nor these neither will not be satisfied but when we haue said and done what we can all is nothing with them that in this case we say or doe vnlesse we will with them by vertue of Christes wordes spoken by him in the institution heere of hold such a real presence of Christes bodie and blood in this Sacrament as that by the mouthes of all commers thereunto and receiuers thereof haue they true faith or no his verie bodie and blood really be taken in and sed vpon Which beeing a doctrine so directly contrarie to that which lutherto I haue taught you rouching our vnion and communion with Christ by faith and his spirit onely especially seeing also it is to be feared that a number
haue bene so nousled therein that the conceite they haue yet of the trueth thereof will hinder them if it be not the better confuted from taking any great good by al I haue said hitherto though otherwise heere I might well haue ended this matter and would yet I must craue leaue of you to take some further paines for the better backing of that which I haue said to lay before you that which I thinke sufficient for the iust confutation of this grosse moutheating of Christ Iesus by all communicantes whatsoeuer The things that Lutherans papistes hold in comon for their grosse reall presence confuted Heerein I shall haue to deale with two sortes of aduersaries the one sort where of are the Lutherans which I late spok of who to that end interprete Christes words spoken of the bread and wine so as that therevpon they inferre such a Consubstantiation that is such a beeing together of the verie bodie and blood of Christ with bread and wine in the vse of this Sacrament that whosoeuerreceiues the one with his mouth receiues the other and the other sort are our common aduersaries the Papistes who interprete the wordes of Christ so as that by the force thereof they teach the bread and wine to be transubstantiated that is to be turned into the bodie and bloode of Christ as some of them haue held or at least thereby as now most of them hold so to be conueyed away that there remaines nothing but the accidents thereof vnder which and together with which the bodie and bloode of Christ really are so certainly present that euery receiuer thereof takes into his mouth the verie bodie and bloode of Christ Otherwise these two are at deadly warre one with another and the former in most of the groundes and principles of Christian Religion hold with vs foundly against the other and yet in this and for the maintenance of this their carnall and grosse presence they are as vehement and bitter against vs for the denying oppugning thereof as the other Orderly therefore todeale with them both whereas there are some thinges in this case common to them both wherein they both holde alike against vs set vs consider of them of the groundes thereof first and afterwardes we will take a viewe of those thinges and of their groundes also wherein they differ both betwixt themselues and also from vs least otherwise we should be driuen tediously to repeate one thing often By their bookes that they haue written daily doe about this matter it is cuident that they both holde a reall presence of Christes bodie and blood together with the outward elements in the vse of this Sacrament and likewise that they both therfore teach that together with the same euery receiuer haue he a right faith or no receiues in by his mouth the verie real true bodie blood of Christ And both of them ground both these their opinions first of Christes words vttered of the bread and wine then of his almightinesse and lastly of the state now of his glorified bodie In and about the outward elements when they come to be taken of the mouth of the receiuer what they be and how long this their reall presence of bodie and blood with them continues they could neuer yet agree For the maintainers of Consubstantiation plainely with vs notwithstanding Christes wordes and all their other grounds for their manner of his reall presence holde and teach that they remaine substantially bread and wine still and so are taken and eaten and the other will haue after those wordes are once pronounced the substances of breade and wine to be gone quite though vnto this day they coulde neuer agree to tell what was become of them and the onely accidentes thereof to supplie the roome alwaies after of the outward part of this Sacrament The other hold their reall presence continueth no longer or at least is tyed no longer to bread and wine nor to any more of it then is receiued and the ministerie thereof lasteth For Extra vsum as they speake that is besides the vse they hold neither the bread nor the wine that remaines to be the bodie and bloode of Christ whereas the other stiflie maintaine that all the hostes that they consecrate are euery one of them the bodie of Christ and therefore they hang them vp which they leaue in a Pixe vnder a Canopie and honour and worship them as the verie bodies of their Sauiour And for the wine they take careful order for that bicause they cannot tell howe so well to preserue and keepe that belike sweete as the other to consecrate no more then their priest may quite and cleane sup vp at that verie time But to let these their disagreeings alone the things wherein they agree herein are nowe to be considered of wherein their manner of reall presence of Christ offers it selfe first Touching the which to begin withall this I dare be bolde to say for I knowe it to be most true how drunken soeuer they be with a conceit to the contrarie it is contrarie to all doctrine taught vs in the Scriptures or in any ancient Father or Councell for six hundred yeeres after Christ at the least For with one consent all these when they speake of Christes presence in this Sacrament it is reall presence to the beleeuing communicant for whom indeed he gaue his bodie and blood that they speake for and that they speake of as for any such reall prefence of his eyther with or vnder bread and wine or vnder the accidentes thereof as these men now plead for neuer eyther any writer of any of the Canonical Scriptures nor any sound Father or Councel euer once dreamed off And this reall true presence of Christ to the right receiuer we do not denie but we vrge teach more plainlie and comfortablie than anic of them doc And this is it that bringeth inseperablie with it eternal life saluation in Christ as for this of theirs the verie force of trueth flat experience haue driuen them to confesse may be and yet the receiuer thereby neuer the better but the worse What a vaine thing then is it for men to keepe such a sturre to the vexing and disturbing of all Christendome for a thing so fruitlesse Alas who is so simple but that he knoweth or may soone knowe that Christes bodie was broken and his bloode shed for vs men and not for breade and wine and therefore that neyther bread nor wine are the thinges that haue to doe with his presence nor yet their accidents but onely we men and then that we may haue it sufficiently to our saluation who seeth not that it is the vainest thing in the world to striue for it for bread and wine and their accidentes Further seeing both of these doe confesse this to be a Sacrament wherof we now intreate neither of them yet could shew or euer went about it that in any other