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of_o the_o church_n and_o in_o their_o write_n left_a report_n to_o posterity_n of_o all_o such_o public_a occurence_n both_o concern_v religion_n and_o the_o church_n as_o happen_v in_o and_o about_o their_o time_n wherefore_o to_o accuse_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n of_o change_n in_o doctrine_n as_o the_o bishop_n here_o and_o all_o protestant_n do_v without_o allege_v such_o authentic_a proof_n what_o be_v it_o but_o out_o their_o own_o arbitrary_a presumption_n and_o malice_n to_o pass_v a_o uncharitable_a and_o rash_a censure_n upon_o their_o mother_n contrary_a to_o all_o rule_n of_o equity_n truth_n justice_n and_o christian_a piety_n till_o therefore_o such_o proof_n of_o change_n be_v allege_v from_o sufficient_a and_o creditable_a record_n all_o prudent_a and_o impartial_a man_n will_v judge_v the_o accusation_n signify_v not_o much_o save_v only_o that_o the_o church_n be_v unworthy_o and_o shameful_o wrong_v by_o her_o adversary_n which_o be_v no_o new_a thing_n this_o then_o be_v the_o hair_n if_o we_o may_v so_o speak_v in_o which_o the_o ibidem_fw-la strength_n of_o that_o our_o english_a samson_n doctor_n stapleton_n lie_v which_o none_o of_o the_o philisthim_n of_o gath_n or_o ekron_n either_o prelatical_a or_o presbyterian_a adversary_n whatever_o they_o may_v talk_v shall_v be_v able_a to_o cut_v off_o the_o promise_n and_o power_n of_o christ_n so_o defend_v it_o that_o no_o adversary_n power_n shall_v ever_o prevail_v against_o it_o matth._n 16._o 18._o i_o mean_v the_o continual_a uninterrupt_a succession_n of_o lawful_a pastor_n teach_v the_o same_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n in_o all_o age_n of_o the_o church_n without_o any_o assignable_a beginning_n since_o the_o time_n of_o the_o apostle_n 11._o those_o pretend_a schim_n which_o the_o bishop_n object_n out_o ibidem_fw-la of_o onuphrius_n that_o be_v to_o say_v the_o contestation_n which_o have_v sometime_o be_v touch_v election_n to_o the_o papal_a dignity_n whereby_o several_a person_n at_o the_o same_o time_n