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A79570 The church-man and the Quaker dialoguing: with a reply to an answer to a late pamphlet, called, A sober dialogue between a Scotch Presbyterian, a London church-man, and a real Quaker 1699 (1699) Wing C3997; ESTC R231838 14,460 32

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Infallible Spirit of God or a Measure of it that the Holy Pen-men were moved to write the Holy Scriptures by If not according to G. K. whom you so Hug and Countenance you have not that which is necessary to Expound Scripture by and then what need any to heed your Interpretation and if you Preach not by the Spirit of God and Pray not by the Assistance thereof how can you profit the People I both acknowledge to thy Patience and desire thy Excuse for being so long Ch. Thou hast indeed now taken a long stretch and if I be long thou must not blame me Qua. Nay therefore take thy Liberty Ch. Then I do first premise whatever Opinion thy Friends may have of such as I am I do assure thee I would be fair and just to all Men for I am not for such Christianity as doth not exceed Morality or that doth not answer our Saviour's Doctrine and I do confess I am somewhat surprized at what G. K. hath said upon these points thou quotes him in and if he be truly represented he appears with no Grace but that Author of The Snake in the Grass tho I know him not Personally yet he appears to be a Man of Parts and Learning but whether he owns our Church or we him as an approved Minister thereof I cannot tell but as to G. K. I am of opinion the Church of England do not esteem him a Minister thereof and whether he owns them or the 39 Articles I know not but am of Opinion he doth not as stated by us But what he proposeth about Authors being their own Interpreters I think Just and Reasonable if Living and if Dead the way thou proposed I approve of and as to the Norfolk-Clergy if I had been in their place and knew my Proofs clear I would not have concealed them And the Simbolizing you with the Jesuits and accounting you to have the Policy of some of them without good Grounds I do frankly acknowledge I do not like for altho I esteem you Erroneous in several things yet I always accounted you among Dissenting Protestants And as to our allowing Men now to have the Infallible Spirit of God Immediately to Guide them I do acknowledge that I do not account we have yet being truly called and instituted and ordained to the Ministry and Preaching those Truths that are agreeable to Scripture and Living good Lives we may and do profit the People But Friend be plain with me now as I have been and tell me do you own the forgiveness of Sins and the Doctrine of Satisfaction the Resurrection of the Dead Qua. I commend thy Moderation and Cautiousness in thy last Answer although I esteem thee mistaken with respect to the last part of it and now I do in much Plainness and Sincerity confess and acknowledge I own the forgiveness of Sins the satisfaction of Christ and the Resurrection of the Dead according to the Holy Scriptures Ch. Do you own that all Just and Moral Men Jews and Mahometans that profess the same Light within as you do and obey its dictates to be your Christian Brethren Qua. As G. K. hath acknowledged in Print so do I concerning Jesus Christ that he did come in the Flesh and Suffered in that prepared Body that was Born of the Virgin Mary yea we own no other Christ than the very same who did then come in the Flesh in that Body and Preached a most Heavenly Doctrine Lived a most Holy Life wrought most Excellent Miracles and at last did offer up himself unto God without Spot most acceptable upon the Cross not only for our Sins but for the Sins of the whole World and this Jesus Christ in us whom we Preach who is the Way the Truth and the Life and Light of the World even that true Light that lighteth every Man that cometh into the World is not another Christ from him that came in the Flesh and died without the Gates of Jerusalem but one and the same Christ And I frankly Acknowledge I own and esteem all them to be my Christian Brethren that truly Believe in rightly Profess and faithfully Obey him i. e. Jesus Christ and that walk in his Light and obey the Dictates thereof Ch. Do you think that Christ God-Man without you to be the Object of your Faith together with the Light within you will bring many great Inconveniences and sad Inferences and Consequences upon you Qua. Truly to take Christ whole and undivided for the Object of my Faith I do not think will bring any great Inconveniences and sad Consequences and Inferences upon me Ch. Why In this late Dialogue I mentioned the Quakers is made to answer Yea and to say It quite overturns our whole Fabrick that we have been building this fifty Years past and plucks up by the Roots the Testimony of our Ancient Friends yea and our present Testimony among our selves Qua. It is our Lot as it was the Primitive Christians to be misrepresented and by such whose Wrath is cruel and Anger out-ragious And who is able to stand against Envy which our Adversaries are fill'd with against us but those that have Truth for their Foundation and Innocency for their Defence Which we humbly Bless God we have as our Ancient Faithful Brethren that died in the Faith and are at rest with the Lord had that is our Comfort and Rejoycing this the Testimony of our Consciences 2 Cor. 1.12 And we can and do testifie and declare That we sincerely own all those Divine Truths and Christian Doctrines contain'd in the Holy Scriptures of Truth however we are misrepresented by our Opposers Ch. Do you own the Holy Scriptures a Secondary Rule Qua. Yea and the Holy Spirit by which the Holy Men of God were moved to write them the Primary Ch. Do you think the Light in all Men would reveal Christ God-Man without them to be the Object of Faith and Worship if all Men were duly Faithful and Obedient to it Qua. We think and believe God was manifest in the Flesh justified in the Spirit seen of Angels preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the World received up into Glory and if all Men did receive and believe in him who is the Light in all Men then he would reveal himself unto all Men and be the Objest of their Faith and Worship if all Men were daily Faithful and Obedient to him Ch. Do you believe that he that was Born of Mary preached and wrought Miracles suffered at Jerusalem died and was buried was the Son of God Yea notwithstanding them Diologues wickedly makes the Quakers say Abraham and David was his Father But as G. K. saith True Christ owned p. 18. If thou deniest this I ask thee who was the Father of Christ as he was Man but God For if he had another Father then he was not Born of the Virgin Mary Which G. K. concluded Rampant Blasphemy But by the Dialogue I mentioned I perceive the Jews and Mahometans and Deists are