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A41274 A few words to Nath. Coleman's late epistle directed to be read in the assemblies of Gods people. Shewing the falseness and unsoundness of his doctrines therein contained. Presented unto the view and perusal of him, and them that are the encouragers and spreaders thereof, or any others, to whose hands they have come, with a copy of his own condemnation, &c. Unto which is added, An answer to T. Crisp's sixth part of Babels Builders. Field, John, 1652-1723.; Richardson, Richard, 1623?-1689. 1683 (1683) Wing F863B; ESTC R215433 17,874 22

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much shewing as I thought by the Scripture that the man was the lord and the woman was to be subject to him but he shewed that in Christ the male and female are all one and that they are meet helps in the Restoration After the Meeting many Friends being call'd together we did openly oppose him altho he often warned me to take heed yet I wilfully oppose him untill the fire of the Lord did burn within me and I saw the Angel of the Lord with his sword drawn in his hand ready to cut me off At which I was afraid and durst not depart before I did confess my errour before Friends because I had opposed God's heavenly power in him who raised him up to be an Elder amongst us for which transgression I did truly humble my self before the Lord and sought him with tears whose power reached unto me which caused me to cry out in secret Lord what is man that thou shouldest be mindful of him or the son of man that thou shouldest thus visit him inthy love and in tender mercy Now Friends the Lord having restored me again unto his truth in which I feel a dayly encrease of peace and life from him for which I do from the bottom of my heart render living praises and thanksgiving to him who is God over all worthy to be feared and magnified for ever This is writ as a warning to all friends that they may not oppose the Lords heavenly power nor endeavour to stop his work which he is carrying on against all opposers lest the Lord cut you off in his sury for there is none that can deliver out of his hand This is a true Coppy and hath been proved by the original of his own hand writing and may serve to shew that he is one of them men that are given to change and that proves the Apostle James saying true that the double minded man is unstable in all his ways therefore let him take the good Counsel of the said Apostle 4 Cap. 8 9 10 c. Cleanse your hands ye sinners and purifie your heart ye double minded be afflicted and mourn and weep let your laughter be turned into mourning and your joy into heaviness humble your selves in the sight of the Lord and he shall lift you up Thomas Crisp the Author of the sixth Part of Babel Builders c. Proved a Babler and a foolish feeble Contender for the Book falsly stiled The Christian Quaker How forcible are right words but what doth your arguing reprove Job 6.25 Surely the Serpent will bite without Enchantment and a Babler is no better the beginning of the words of his Mouth is foollishness and the end of his talk is mischievous madness Eccles 10.11 13. IN his first Page line 2. he speaks of my Rapsadoe I suppose he means Rapsody or Rhapsody which is a fit name for his Babels signifying a confused Collection and what else can any expect of a Babel-Builder but confusion But I find the man 's offended because I said in my reply unto his 5 Babel p. 5. I question whether all the paper I have writ will hold them all viz. his lyes Slanders Nicknames c. To which T. C. Reply'd It must be a great many to stuff two Sheets and a half Answer a great many no doubt they are and them that read and rightly understand thy Babels may see it but I had not when in the 5 p. writ two Sheets and a half therefore think not to excuse thy self for writing untruths by falsly saying It 's my fault for it 's he viz. The Devil that is out of the truth and in whom there is no truth that leads thee and all them that write and speak untruths or lies so to do of which my desire is thou mayst heartily repent But thou saist in thy I p. Over and over I find none i. e. Lyes proved against me which makes me think of the Proverb Who is more blind then they that will not see only I. F. says I tell thee or I deny or I affirm and sometimes by queries are not c. Answer Thomas w'ont this serve for proofs if not why didst not thou produce stronger against me and Friends for thou conceitedly saist I have proved I say I deny above twenty times in thy last Sheet as if thou thought to be heard for thy much Babling and then foolishly quotes thy own confused Babels c. for thy authority see thy 1 2 3 4 5 7 8 pages but if thy Say-so's be no proof as indeed it 's not then thy work is yet to do thy proofs to make and thy labour in 6 Babels and all thy babling in vain But perhaps thou maist answer as in thy 5 Babel p. 13. But in case I had so said it doth not follow I must so do No Tho. Informers against Christian Preachers little regard what they say And though thou saist I have proved c. It doth not follow thou hast so done therefore hear what Solomon said Answer a fool according to his folly lest he be wise in his own conceit And that thy pretended proofs may be manifest to be but meer thinkso's and sayso's take one sample of them as followeth in the 13 p. of my reply unto thy 5 Babel I quoted these words of thine viz. But one reason why I paid that so often montioned as Tythes was as a witness that I was not taught my fear by the precept of G. F. c. Nor receive his traditions for Doctrines and that I had not sacrificed all my faith conscience and judgment to his orders your Idol to Worship that as too many both small and great do But as a Testimony against your imposition c. Thus far T. C. to which I reply'd he takes no notice that I call'd upon him and now do again to prove any of the many both small and great that so do to which in 6 Babel 8 p. T. C. saith I. F. say's of me page 13. He takes no notice that I call'd upon him to prove any of the many but that is false for in p. 11. I say thus that he bid me prove any c. I say saith T. C. I think himself and R. R. have so done and these be too many And then he adds now how darest thou affirm such an untruth as to say I take no notice of that when as I particularly answer to both any and many Thus far T. C. Answer observe first how T. C. proves that any of the many c. Do sarcafice all their Faith Conscience and judgment to G. F's orders their Idol to worship Why how doth he prove it How thus he says in 5 Babel p. 11. and in his 6 Babel p. 8. I think himself and R. R have so done Pray mind his pre tended proof is but a meer and base thinkso 2. Let the Reader in truth Judge where and in whom the falsity and untruth is that T. C. queries how J. F. dare affirm
A Few Words TO Nath. Coleman's LATE EPISTLE DIRECTED To be Read in the Assemblies of Gods People Shewing the Falseness and Unsoundness of his Doctrines therein contained Presented unto the View and Perusal of him and them that are the Encouragers and Spreaders thereof or any others to whose hands they have come with a Copy of his own Condemnation c. Unto which is added An Answer to T. Crisp's sixth Part of Babels Builders 1 Cor. 11.19 For there must be Heresies among you that they which are approved may be made manifest among you John 1.4 Beloved believe not every Spirit but try the Spirits whether they be of God because many false Prophets are gone out into the World The INTRODUCTION IT is a certain truth and experience dayly sheweth that the troubles of the righteous are many and the exercises great and various that from the birth of the flesh stock of Ishmael and the Generation of envious and persecuting Cain they meet with all as cruel mockings reproaches afflictions Spoile of Goods yea moreover of Bonds and Imprisonments though blessed be the Lord God through the assistance of his powerful and eternal Spirit they are dayly strengthened and enabled chearfully to endure and go through the same knowing in themselves that they have in heaven a better and more endurable substance and they firmly believe that these light afflictions for so they are comparatively which is but for a moment worketh for them a more exceeding and eternal weight of Glory while we look not at the things which are seen but at the things which are not seen for the things which are seen are temporal but the things which are not seen are Eternal And the People and children of God in this our day and Age have not been neither are only exercised on this wise but as the Primitive Christians were with false Brethren and teachers and their corrupt Doctrin which they endeavour both publickly and privately to bring in whose pernitious ways some have followed by reason of whom the way of truth hath been evil spoken of but their Judgment doth not linger neither doth their damnation slumber And let none think these things strange for this day is that fulfilled among us which the Apostles writ to the Primitive believers viz. Also of your own selves shall men arise speaking perverse things to draw away disciples after them therefore watch in the holy light for what is reproveable is first made manifest thereby and as every one keeps thereto and walks therein they will not by the feigned words of any be made merchandize of but will know feel and witness to their comfortable fellowship with God and one another which is the very thing this evil Spirit that hath entered the corrupt teachers that from our selves have risen who bring upon themselves swift destruction seeks with feigned pretence to the light and Spirit of God to draw people from t. The which in some measure the following lines will shew and in love are writ for that end And to detect the false Doctrin of one of these corrupt teachers that in our age hath risen who may be truly said to be as A well without water and a cloud without rain carried with every tempest to whom the mist of darkness I reserved forever Except unfeigned repentance is known Here follows A Coppy of a Letter sent to N. C. in which the following answer was inclosed Nathaniel Coleman THe inclosed is sent thee to peruse that thou maist see the confusion and false Doctrin thou hast published in thy Epistle c. in publick print under the pretence of a motion from God and it 's my intent to publish the Inclosed except thou wilt condemn the false Doctrins in thy said Epistle and the Spirit by which thou was led to write and publish them as publickly as they are made and call the said Epistles in I have as yet omitted in the inclosed one thing among the rest which is in p. 3 where there speaking of the Lord gathering his people from off all the barren mountains and desolate bills of Imaginations thou in Parenthesis saith wherein they have been acting for him now herein is manifest a great errour and notorious false Doctrin such that the blind Priest of the nation can scarce excced in blindness darkness and Ignorance And Nathaniel if in any place I have either mistook misquoted or misrepresented thy words otherwise then the sense will bear I desire thee to manifest it though I can and do truly say I knew not in the least tittle that I have so done and let me have an answer from thee in 1 or 2 Weeks time otherwise I intend to publish it as aforesaid and if I heare not from thee I may add the aforesaid false Doctrin to the rest with some things more for ought I at present know so with the words of the Spirit unto the Church of Laodicea I at present may conclude desiring thee to make a right application thereof i.e. because thou saist I am rich and encreased with goods and have need of nothing and knowst not that thou art wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked I councel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire that thou maist be rich and white rayment that thou maist be clothed and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear and anoint thy eyes with eye Salve that thou maist sec Rev. 3.17.18 Thy Friend that truly wisheth thee godly Sorrow and unfeigned repentancce unto the acknowledgment and amendment of thy faults I. Field N. C. I have seen and perused an Epistle unto which thy name is subscribed which thou begins with this prescription viz. To be read in the Assemblies of Gods People * Note but who N. C. dost thou account so and by what name or denomination are they distinguished from others This is thy order and prescription yet in Postscript p. 6. thou saist they that sow to the orders of other mens prescribing shall reap a crop of corruption And what Nathaniel must they reap that sow to thy orders and prescription must not they reap a crop of corruption I am satisfied if they sow to that Spirit that thou wast led and acted by willfully to oppose Gods heavenly power in G. F. who thou confessest God hath raised up to bean Elder c. * See thy own condemnation p. They yea all they if repent not will certainly reap a crop of corruption or if they Sow to thy orders or prescriptions that proceed from that Spirit that lead thee to oppose Gods heavenly power though thou maist thou art moved of God c. they 'l reap 〈◊〉 better for Rabshekah pretended 〈◊〉 Impudently falsly and Impiously said the Lord said unto me Go up § But now to thy Epistle which thou begins viz. To all the flock of God that are scattered abroad I am moved of the Lord God to write to warn them in his name Here thou speaks as great
though I be absent in the flesh yet I am with you in the spirit joying and beholding your order and stedfastness of your faith in Christ Also in 1. Cor. 11. and last he tells the Believers after he had reprehended them for several disorders that the rest will I set in order when I come by which it appears that Paul that man of God was for order and left Titus in Crete to set in order the things that were wanting among the believers And what dost think N. C. that those things that were set in order amongst the believers by this man of God was a seed of Corruption sown by him and a crop of corruption reaped by them if thou so believest thou art to be pitied for thy ignorance And I query whether thou believest by the same Spirit of God some among the Children of light in our Age have not been made instrumental to set in order some things that were wanting among the believers in the light of Christ within yea or nay And come N C. let me and all whose hands thy Epistle hath come to know what orders these are that have proved so satal as to the flock of God and who they are that have followed them as aforesaid also who made these orders that so knowing both the makers and the orders we may be capable to judge for to cry against Orders Orders Orders and not tell what Orders is but like mens beating the Air strikeing at their shaddows or quarelling with their own imaginations or like the clamorous woman that pulls down her house with her hands So having hinted at some of thy new Doctrines c. and given thee the judgment of Truth both upon thy Epistle and Postscript and the spirit thou writ them in I shall at present conclude and in plainness tell thee that they surely were thy true friends in the judgment of Truth that stopt thy Epistle from coming out sooner though thou defirest the Lord may not lay it to their charge for it 's come soon enough to manifest thy weakness if not wickedness to deliver such things in the name of the Lord and expose them in publick and direct them to the flock of God and to be read in the Assemblies of Gods People but blessed be God who hath given that good understanding unto his People that live in his holy fear that they try Spirits and not receive nor have unity with nor suffer except imposed upon the reading of those things in their Meetings that proceed not from that Spirit and power in which their unity and fellowship stands tho to their grief and exercise they too often have in their Meetings the forced Testimonies or speeches of some such as N. C. imposed upon them that they have not unity with who are unruly and vain talkers whose mouths I believe the Lord in his due time will stop I am thy Friend that have shewed or endeavourjd to shew thee thy mistake and errours that thou maist not go on in the fault which thou art overtaken in in falsly pre●ending a motion from God therefore hear what John Pennyman saith in his book of Letters Printed in 1680. viz. That it is the greatest blasphemy or forgery under heaven to say things in the name of the Lord or that they are moved of the Lord to speak or do and are not Tho he can like thee cry against order and forms yea the very form of sound words which the Apostle exhorted to i. e thee and thou in the aforsaid book in his letter to G. F. says Away with your set form of words of thee and thou tho to manifest that he allows himself in that he condemns in others he uses them in the said Letter to G. F. about 20. times This I have hinted at to shew the confusion of him that hath cryed against orders as T. Crisp thee and many others have as also that thou mightest read his sentence against such as speak things in the name of the Lord and as moved by him and are not John Field Jun. POSTSCRIPT THere is one passage or two more that I may take a little notice of as p. 2. N. C. faith The kingdom of God cometh not in outward observations but is felt and known within therefore all gather in from that that would draw out the mind from God to observe days or times or months or years concerning any matter or business but as you are inwardly drawn or required by the Truth in your own particulars What then may the flock and People of God to whom thou saist thou art moved of God to write have their minds by the Truth in their own particulars inwardly drawn from God to observe Days Times Months and years c. What strange confused Babylonish ranting Doctrin is here delivered or aserted that the Truth of which there is no lye and and in which here is no contradiction may draw God's People's minds of from him who is the God of Truth Oh the Lord if it be his will open thy eyes that thou maist see thy gross errour and give thee a heart to repent of the same before it 's too late And now from hence also observe he counsels or warns the flock of God all togather in from that that would draw out the mind from God to observe ●●●s or times or months or years concerning any matter oribusiness but as you are inwardly drawn or required by the Truth in your own particulars by which he plainly grants that the flock of God may be drawn or required by the truth in their own particulars to observe days or times or months or years Now let N. C. shew what those days times months and years are that he would not have them observe also what days times months and years they may be required by the Truth in their own particulars to observe for his Brother F. Bugg in his ungodly Book makes a great cry and calling for express scripture for meeting once amonth at the tenth hour of the day c. Again in p. 4. speaking to thy dear Friends and Brethren c. That God saist thou hath visited with a high hand c. that in this your Journey none may be drawn out from the guidance of Gods good Spirit within them to joyn to any form or likeness or apparance although never so beautiful but as you are led by the Pillar of the Cloud by day and the Pillar of fire by night which guideth the footsteps of the flock of his Companions out of all transgression and Rebellion c. Come let 's examine this new Doctrin and see whether this man while he would seem to be knowing and wise is not become a fool and a novice thus to preach up the Pillar of the Cloud c. To lead out of all transgression which is the work of Christ in this Gospel day And pretend a motion from God to warn and counsel his flock that none be drawn out from the guidance