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A89827 An answer to the booke called The perfect Pharisee under monkish holinesse: wherein is layd open, who they are that oppose the fundamentall principles of the doctrine of the Gospel, and the scripture practises, which the authors of that book would cast upon those they call Quakers, but are found to be themselves; who appear to be no ministers of the Gospel, but walke contrary to all that ever Christ sent forth in the scripture, scorning them who live the life of the scriptures, or are brought into the obedience of the same spirit. Published for no other end but to cleare the truth from the slanders of these men, who thereby goe about to deceive the simple, and keep them off from obedience to the truth. By one whom the world calls, James Nayler. Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1654 (1654) Wing N261; Thomason E735_2; ESTC R206955 29,772 36

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thoughts but is a lye raysed up by the Father of lyes the Devill and vented by his servants to make the truth odious And the Lord God of truth before whom I stand judge between me and you in this thing for you are of that generation who say Come let us devise devises Ier. 18. 18. 20. 10. against him come let us smite him with the Tongue report say they and we will report it but the Lord will deliver his truth out of your hands And for William Baldwinson whom you father this untruth on I never had any private discourse with him nor ever was I in company where he was but once in Vnder●arrow where was the house full of people that I had never seen before and if he should affirme any such thing they of his owne Towne shall all witnesse against him but I stand to the witnesse of God Nor as it falls on my selfe should I have mentioned it but as it falls on the truth and may offend some weake ones who is more to me then all outward reputation in the World To your third That George Fox did affirme that he was the Iudre of the World And that one wrote from Carlile that called George Fox the Sonne of God I answer you here shew your selves to be ignorant of Christ spiritually borne up in you who is the Iudge of the world in whom he is which the Saints did witnesse as it is p●aine in the Scriptures Know you not that 1 Cor. 6. 2. 3. Saints shall Iudge the World Yea Angels and the spirituall man judgeth all things yet he himselfe is judged of no man Now you that have not this infallible spirit to judge with have nothing to doe to judge of the things of God but are carnall and naturall and judge with evill thoughts and call evill good and good evill for the naturall man receives not the things of the spirit of God and what you know naturally as bruite beasts therein you corrupt your selves and you that are offended that one shall witnesse the Sonne of God shew that you are ignorant of the New Birth which whosoever witnesses is the Sonne of God yea you are ignorant of the Scriptures which saith Behold with what manner of love the Father loved us that 1 Iohn 3. 1. 2. we should be called the Sons of God and we are Sons already and it doth not yet appeare what we shall be Now blush for shame that you should be Ministers of the letter and are ignoant of it and would slander them that owne it Now for your confused confutation of the lyes you have raysed against us I shall say nothing to them For that you call your second Position That there is no distinction of Persons in the God head This you say George Fox layes downe in Saul● errand to Damascus pag. 12. Now all may take notice if these men regard what they speake or write so that they can but make th● truth odious to others when they are not ashamed to Print so plaine an untruth that is so evident that all that ever read that page in Sauls errand may witnesse against them that the words they have set downe are not there but they have gathered them up in their inventions wherewith they imagine lyes against the innocent and to cast upon the truth neither have they any proofe for what they here accuse of For your third Position that ●h● soule is a part of the Divine Esse●ce And this you 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 you had from Collonell Benson and Captain Ward W●●●●he sou●e is you know not who live in the fall and are v●●ne contenders and p●eaders for sin which keep● the soul● at a di●ance from God and while you are servants of sinne your soules are in death but the first man Adam was a living soule the second a quickning spirit and he that is joyned to the Lord is one ●pirit And this we witnesse and all witnesse it who are come up o●t of the fall but you who live in disobedience acting those things which Christ forbad knowes nothing of the living soule for you watch not for the good ●● soules for you seek for your gaine from your Quarter and ●●kes peoples money for that which is not Bread and all who fol●●● are unsatisfied but all you who hearken diligently to the voyce of the Lord their soules doe live and follow the Lord and are united to him and he that is not is against him For your fourth Position That Christ is in every man and in the reprobate he is held under corruption and this you say one of you received from Iames Nayler in conference with him wherein he extended the in-dwelling of Christ to Indians that never heard the Gospel I answer When will you cease to adde your lyes to slander withall That which I held forth was that Christ was the light of the world and lighteneth every one that commeth into the world which William Col● denyed I bad him put out one amongst all that great multitude that durst deny it He said those were Christians and had heard the Gospel but Indians had not that light I told him he went far for a proofe but if an Indian were there he would witnesse against him But O thou full of all subtilty Did I say th●t Christ in the reprobates is held under corruption let all that was there be witnesse against thee Now that Christ enlightens every one that comes into the world is plaine Scripture and if Christ be not in the most vile in the world there to see the heart thoughts and intents how shall he judge every one according to their thoughts that come not forth into actions as well as according to what they doe must he then proceed as carnall Iudges doe either by proofe or confession and no further and must not he judge Indians as well as others and who shall tell him what is in their hearts and thoughts Here you shew your selves ignorant of that Christ who is spirituall and judgeth not after the outward appearance but is all and in all and are of the judgment of some others of you who say that Christ is in Heaven with a carnall body but here is your folly manifest to all the Children of light And whereas you accuse Iohn Audland for writing to Edward Br●ggs and telling him That he who once had been enlightned and departed out of it did crucifie Iesus Christ within him I answer Reade Hebrews 6. 4 6. and see if the Apostle speake not the same words saying That such crucifie the Lord of life afresh and put him to open shame And that it is such a haynous thing to you who knowes not Christ in you for any to say that Christ is in them Was it not Iesus of Naz●reth that Paul persecuted when he hayled the Saints to Prison Acts 9. 4. 5. and was not Christ in the Saints the hope of glory and all this after his Assention But you who
I spoke of Adam being able to have stood in Gods power if he had not forsaken his power and consented to the wisedome of the Serpent which you wrest to his owne power but wickednesse shall be on the head of the wicked And you that say That Adam in the state of innocency was under the covenant of works make it appear to all that know Adams state that you never knew it for the Law wherein is the covenant of works was added after because of the transgression but being ignorant of the spirit by which these things are known you imagine of them in your carnall wisedome and as your Books leade you but Adams innocent estate you knew not For your ninth Position that no man that commits sinne or that is not perfectly holy can ever enter into the Kingdome of Heaven unlesse there be a Purgatory And you say James Nayler in his Booke before quoted pag. 26. puts it by way of quaerie I answer in pag. 26. there is not a word to that purpose as you have set downe but seeing you are mistaken in this as in many more things I shall help your mistake for the better informing of the Reader in pag. 25. which you intend the words of the quaere are these Whether any unperfect and uncleane one that lives in sin shall enter into the Kingdome of Heaven yea or zo And if not how shall one dying in sinne and where shall he be made perfect and cleane seeing the tree must lye ●s it falls and whether you own a Purgatory yea or no Now I shall appear to any one that is guided by a Principle of truth whether you have not wrested my words quite to another sence as though I said no man that hath sinned can ever enter into the Kingdome and as though I owned a Purgatory but you are so used to wrest the Scriptures being unlearned and so used to turne the truth into a lye by your serpents wisedome that you cannot cease from it and were it not that what is Printed that cannot be altered did witnesse against you it would not be beleeved that such as you professe your selves to be should so wholly give your selves to serve the Father of lyes but blessed be God who is laying open your deceipt whereby you have destroyed soules and in the pit you have digged you shall be taken but the simple shall escape your snares You say The blood of Christ is your Purgatory which cleanseth the soule from all sins yet as to personall actings very guilty and to prove it you quote 1 John 1. 7. but doth that Text say any are cleansed from sin while they personally act sin or the quite contrary who saith If we walk in the light as he is in the light we have fellowship one with another and the blood of Jesus Christ his Sonne cleanseth us from all sinne Now he that walks in the light doth not commit sin for sin is darkenesse but you that talke of being cleansed by the blood of Christ and yet live in sin counts the blood of Christ an unholy thing but you must pleade for your Fathers Kingdome and you are faithfull to him as appears in all this your Booke For your tenth Position No reall Saint but he that is perfect and perfectly holy in this life and doth not sin And you say it is Naylers designe in his Booke to prove this pag. 21. 22. I answer It seems there can be no greater offence with you then 1 Iohn 3. 8. to cry downe sin and to grow up to perfection though it is the very end for which Christ is manifest viz. To destroy the Col. 1. 28. works of the Devill and to present the Saints perfect to the Father as is plaine in Scripture And here you shew what Kingdome you are of who pleade so much against the end of Christs comming And in your 11. page you quote Gal. 3. 10. and saith there the Apostle clearely holds forth an universall impossibility to fulfill the righteousnesse of the Law when Christ saith Not one jot shall fall till all be fulfilled And the same Apostle saith Rom. 8. 3. 4. That God sent his owne Sonne that the righteousnesse of the Law might be fulfilled in us who walke not after the flesh but after the spirit And here you bely the Apostle and deny the end of Christs comming and pleade for continuing in sin and imperfection as is plaine in this you call your confutation wherein you wrest and twine the Scriptures to pleade for the Devills Kingdome and putting cleansing from sin and perfection afar off till after death in another world and all to make the commands of God and endeavours of the Saints and comming of Christ of no effect here but all must serve sin here and you set it downe as a strange thing that Richard Farnesworth should say That no uncleane thing can enter into the Kingdome of Heaven though it be plaine Scripture but you must appeare for now God is seperating the pretious from the vile the day is come For your eleventh Position that every man in the world hath a light within him sufficient to guide him to salvation without the helpe of any outward light or discovery I answer That Iesus Christ is the onely light and there is none besides him to guide to salvation and that he is the light of the whole world and was given of the Father for that end is plaine in the whole Scriptures The Prophets prophesied of him That he should be given for a light even to the Gentiles Iohn Baptist beares Isay 42 6. witnesse That he was not that light but came to beare witnesse to it and that was the true light that lightneth every one that commeth into the world Iohn 1 8. 9. Christ saith of himselfe I am the light of the world he that follows me shall not walke in darkenesse but shall have the light of life Iohn 8. 12. Again This is the condemnation that light is come into the world and men love darkenesse rather then light because their deeds are evill Iohn 3. 19. Now this light shines in darkenesse but Iohn 1. 4. 5. the darkenesse comprehends it not and here are you who calls this light a naturall light and denyes the words of Christ and the Prophets and would make them lyars like you and all the world shall witnesse against you that they have a light that lets them see when they sinne which if they did minde and obey woule leade out of sin to Christ and all who have obeyed it shall witnesse it and this light of Christ is perfect in its measure as it ariseth and needs no outward light or discovery And this is the cause why this light is so hated of the Devill and them that love their sins because the Devill can have no hold in any corner of the heart but this will discover him and no sinne can be committed but it checks for it till the
inventions and braine study and come amongst people and say Heare the Word of the Lord when the Lord had not spoken to them but the salse Prophets did so and saith the Lord I am against them that steale my Word from their Neighbours and say The Lord saith when I have not spoken to them and ye doing the same things are discovered by the same spirit And whereas yee pleade against our using the Scripture phrase in thouing eve●y particular we speake to and pleading against us the customes of the Nation here yee shew your selves to be guided by a contrary spirit to Christ who leades his out of all the customes of the world and the Nations and thereby they are knowne not to be of the world and yee who are Ministers of the Letter and dispute against the language of it which none of Gods ever denyed or disputed against out of your enmity to the truth yee pleade against what yee professe and are ministers of and all this ye doe to maintain the confused language which all they who are redeemed out of the fall are restored to a pure Language Now as touching your consideration of our practises and first concerning Quaking and trembling to which yee adde grovelling upon the ground and foaming at the mouth which are lyes and slanders of your owne inventing but for quaking and trembling we owne it as that which the Lord hath said shall come upon all flesh and which the Saints have witnessed through the Scripture and if we should deny them we should deny the holy men of God as Moses Isaac David Habakkuk Daniel Ezekiel Ieremiah Paul and many other of the deare servants of God and shew our selves to be strangers to that condition by which they came to know the Lord as yee doe who revile and reproach it And whereas you tell of three sorts of trembling in the Scripture but know them not within your selves ye are not to be regarded nor what ye speake by heare-say who are scorners of their conditions which ye reade in Scripture neither doe ye know from what they proceed but judge of them in your owne imagination and in this as in other things contend against what is witnessed in Scripture 〈◊〉 up all the lyes slanders and weakenesse of any to cast 〈◊〉 the truth and the Saints condition And whereas ye say 〈◊〉 call these quakings our great perfection that is false and a lying slander like the rest our perfection stands not in any outward things but in the good and perfect gift which we receive in Jesus Christ Now of our second practice which ye call Rayling I answer If they speake of ye the things that are true and in which you live will ye call the truth Rayling though it come in an unwelcome language to the disobedient natures Was it rayling in Christ to call them The children of the Devill who brought forth the workes of the Devill or to call them Serpents and Vipers who sought by their subtilty to devoure the simple Or to call Herod a Fox who was a King or for the Apostles and Saints to call them Dogs and Swine who loved their sins and filthynesse and could not be kept from returning into it againe For they who did stand in the light of the spirit of God did discover the contrary spirit which did act severall wayes in the men of the world and some they saw to be Doggs some Wolves some bryars and thornes some high-Mountains some fat Bulls which did compasse the innocent about to devoure them some Witches who bewitched the Saints from the guiding of the spirit to carnall things Now will you call these Raylers because they speak the truth upon the severall actings of the spirit of the Devill where it was But they were the servants of the Lord and were meeke and gentle and patient towards all men even so these servants of the Lord now 〈◊〉 they speake the truth as things are found in ye revealed unto them by the same spirit are no raylers but are meeke gentle and patient notwithstanding they must doe the Message of the Lord faithfully Now to the third practice They pretending upon all occasions to be sent by Commission from God as 〈◊〉 shall instance in some cases following 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 I answer the Messages that God have 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 his servants on have been strange to the world neit●●● could the world who knew not the voyce of the Lord ever ●w●● them but have been counted mad men mad fellows fooles ●●●●●● with new Wine and such like Yet I shall not here justifie every one who saith he is sent of the Lord for many lying spirits are gone out into the world but woe unto him that runneth and is not sent and belyeth the Lord when he hath not spoken unto him but as for your particuler charge● again●● particular persons I shall say little as not knowing the things in particuler but finding your Booke stust with lyes and untruths gives me cause to beleeve that many of these are like the rest Onely this is plaine Scripture That the Messages of the Lord which he sends his people on are foolishnes to the wisedom of the world and so they are to ye and though ye would appoint them their place and manner and time yet it is neither in your wills nor theirs but in the will of God which if any out of feare or favour doe not obey they shall suffer for it And whereas ye declare of comming of some of us to Newcastle this I witnesse to be true as in the pr●sence of God E. B. that our Call was from God and our Commission was from him and therefore did suffer persecution by you and by the Magistrates but as for our declaring our Message before the Magistrates my Brother and Sister were interrupted by some of you in their declaring But that they who were before the Magistrates were invited to go to any of your houses to speak is false and here W. C. is a false witnesse And whereas ye accuse us For casting off the Word of God I answer It is false for the Word of God we owne and obey for which we are scorned and suffers reproach by ye For your accusing George Fox for cursing Master Fetherston as ye call him I my selfe was in presence when Fetherston confessed that the words which George Fox spoke was Scripture And for your slander ye cast upon Christopher Atkinson and a Woman for their familiarity and to make a ground for your slander ye say to say no more but why to say no more if ye know more why doe you not speake the truth but slander in secret And here you false accuser thou and thy witnesse shall both be taken alive and cast into the Pit who hath deceived the people by thy false lyes and slanders thou charges me with my immodest familiarity with a Woman of C. A. my way and to colour thy deceit thou sayst to say no more thou false
not to runne from place to place for money as you Priests doe and these were ordayned not by man but by such as did it by the direction of the spirit of God for they who ordayned them had the gift of the spirit which they received of them and this ordination was not by man nor by the Churches but by the power of God and his spirit in whom it was and they had the gist of the holy Ghost from their hands Now what is this to your Parsonage or Parish callings for shame take not this for a shelter for your covetous practice and being set in great Livings by club Law or the power of the Magistrate for this practice of the Saints condemnes you and your callings and whole practice Nor is here any ground at all for your bargaining with the people or any set maintenance or to sue your hearers at Law for carnall things or take their goods by violence for shame take not the Scriptures which witnesse against your oppression and pride and covetousnesse nor the practice of the holy men of God to prove your filthy practice who hated the least appearance of such things and could not endure that covetousnesse should be so much as named amongst them For shame cease to pervert the truth by your corrupt minds and turning it into a lye for your selfe ends Repent the plagues of God are upon such practice and cease to deceive soules for gaine the Lord is arisen to lay you open and is comming with ten thousand of his Saints to be avenged of you Therefore take heed betime and cease your envie against the truth And now to those things you call our Principles TO that you call the first Principle viz. Not to salute any I answer You falsely accuse us in this as in other things for the salutations of the Saints we owne and practice It is your Heathenish customes you use by the way in taking the holy name of God into your mouthes in vaine which God hath forbidden and this we deny and witnesse against that all might feare to pollute the dreadfull and glorious name of God And now let all that feare the name of God judge by what spirit you are guided who are not ashamed to Preach and Print against us for this Nay you are not ashamed to wrest the words of Christ to contradict his owne commands and the commands of God as in Mat. 5. 47. where he is exhorted to love without respect of persons saying If you love them that love you that is no more but as the Publicans and the Hea●hen and likewise in the salutation If ye salute your brethren onely that is as the Publican and Heathen practice but here is no expresse command for salutation by the way but a warning of the partiality of the Heathenish practise as it is now practised with you who will salute those you love and are rich in the world and to them you will bow and doe worship but for the poore and such as you hate these you passe by and herein you shew your selves to be in the same nature with the Heathen whose partiality Christ reproves and whose practises we deny And whereas you alledge those whom Christ sent forth who were to salute the house into which they entered What is this to your high way salutation for they were to enquire what house was worthy before they entered or saluted and they that had the Sonne of peace in them was to speake peace to that house but if the Sonne of Peace was not there their peace was to returne to them againe Now neither this nor the Apostles commanding the Saints to salute one another doth warrant your Heathenish high-way customes and taking the name of God in vain And whereas you say If we observe the command of not saluting by the way then we should also forbeare to weare shooes I answer What we doe is not from the command that was to others nor herein doe we walke by Tradition but from command of the same power by which we are sent forth and if we were commanded to forbeare wearing shooes as well as we are commanded to deny your Heathenish customes and covetous practises in not taking care for food and rayment we should be made willing to obey as some have done who have been commanded to goe bare-foot and some who have been commanded to goe naked which you who know no particular commands from God but walke by tradition in your owne wills doing what you like and leaving what you will undone doe scorne and reproach as evill and whereas you say that Christ commanded the contrary to his twelve Disciples it is false because he commanded to salute the house that was worthy this was not to command them to salute by the way neither doth the practice of the Saints in saluting one another contradict this command of Christ neither are the Saints to conforme to the practice or fashion of any Country but to the commands of Christ which leads out of all the customes in the world And whereas you say There being a cleare command to salute all we deny it it is false for where Christ saith If ye salute as the Heathens doe it is no command to salute all but a warning to them of their partiality To that you call our second Principle viz. Not giving any outward t●ken of reverence to Magistrates Parents Masters or any other I answer Herein you falsely accuse us as because we deny to bow downe and worship any creature which God hath forbidden Is this to deny any token of reverence for obedience to their just commands is their greatest reverence and this we owne and practice for conscience sake both to Magistrates Parents and Masters and herein we deny your slander as false And whereas you goe about to prove it by the practice of others in their bowing downe to the creature and thereby to breake the commands of God which saith Ye shall not bow down● and worship And whereas you alledge Josephs Brethren bowing downe to him Abraham Abigail David and the like their practice is no rule for us to breake the command of God though they were good men no more then the practice of Ioseph which swore by the life of Pbaraoh is a warrant to us to sweare though he was a good man or the practice of David in seiguing himselfe mad before Akish the King of the Philistines should be made a warrant for us to fayne our selves mad to avoyd your persecution Nor Iacob bowing before Esau for the Scripture saith A righteous man falling downe before the wicked is as a troubled Fountaine and a corrupt spring Pro. 25. 26. And whereas you charge us that we say Is it not strange these Priests in the 34 pag. of their Booke shall say What is the power without the persons Government without Governors but a meer fancy and revile honouring the power without respecting the Persons When in this Nation all obey and