to the truth and the worke of the Spirit of Grace yet boasting of perfection c that we deny and therefore thou hast acted Antichrists spirit and told thy second Lie Error or Lie the third In thy third Lie thou saies that we make it our whole worke to turne away poore soules from the truth but art without proofe for that Lie for such as are guided by the Spirit of truth to turne people from the darkness to the light turnes them to the truth and not from it as thou saies Act. 26.16.17.18 and we being so guided are made instrumentall to turne people from the darknesse to the light and so from the power of Satan to the power of God and many souls that art turned to the truth can witnesse for us and against thee and such thy disciples who hast herein manifested thy third Lie and so made it thy work to Lie and businesse to sin and doe evill which is the work of thy Father the Devill Lrror or Lie the fourth and fifth Thou saies we turne people from the Scriptures so didst thou say to me at Harliston but could not prove it and many reproved thee for it And in thy fifth lie thou sayst we turne them from the ordinances or Christ Error or Lies the 6. 7. c. And in thy sixth Lie thou saies that we are proud presumptious and selfwilled but art to prove thy lying slanders therein and all that feares God and knows our conversation may witness against such thy absurdities or thy grosse Lies Lie the seventh Thou saies we strike at Jesus Christ but such as are obedient to him do not strike at him neither are they self-willed nor proud and as thou-saies but we obey him that walke in his statutes and keepe his ordinances as he hath delivered them unto us therefore tâ—ou art charged with the Lies left behind and they shall stand for thy selfe and such in thy nature And thy eight Lie is where thou saies that we are scorners but scorning we deny and also striking at Jesus or doing as thou saies and therefore thou art charged with the Lies who makes lying thy refuge In thy tench Lie thou saies we are turned with the dogg to his vomit and the sow that was washed to the wallowing in the mire and that thou canst not prove and therefore in it art the Lier as also in the other accompanied with the tenth Lie to and in thy sixth page The eleventh Lie is in page the seventh where thou saies we impudently boast of perfection but impudency and also boasting as I said before that we denie and there in thou art charged with the eleventh Lie And in Lie the twelfth thou saies we judge all to be in darknesse that throwes not away the rule of truth But we judge all to be in the light and not in darknesse that are led by the Spirit of God the rule and guide into all truth for they that are led by the Spirit of God are we Sons of God Rom. 8.14 c. Joh. 16.13 Gala. 4.6 and there againe thou art charged with another Lie which makes up the number a whole dozen or twelve of thy Lies left without proofe take notice thereof and be thou ashamed and Haggar also who is thy backer or partaker therein that hath either acted the same or joyned with thee to carry on that deceit wherein so many Lies are brought forth and more also which may be for your shame In the thirteenth Lie Thou saies we justifie our selves but self-justification we do deny and therefore thou art left charged with the thirteenth Lie And thou saies we judge rashly of all men that are not of our minde calling them Devills c. But that is as the rest of thy proofless Lies though thou say thou can shew it under some of our hands I charge thee to doe it if thou canst or else thou art left changed with the fourteenth Lie And Lie the fifteenth sixteenth and seventeenth with the other in page the seventh Thou saies we glory in appearances appearances having a kinde of voluntary humilitie and saith we goe about to set up our selves and not the Lord but selfe is by us denyed who walke in obedience to the commands and teachings of the Spirit of the Lord and voluntary humility that we deny and all false and fleshly appearances which is not the Lords and therefore the fifteen sixteene and seventeenth Lies are left for thee and shall stand for thy selfe take them in againe for they are returned back into the Liers generation from whence they come And in thy 18 lie Thou slandereth us with deluding tongues and Lie the nineteenth with out-side holiness and in Lie the twentieth with and for throwing dirt in the face of truth And in lie 21 Thou saies we destroy men by our doctrine c. Lie the 22. Which had its rise from Hell as thou saies but these are but like the rest of thy lies who art so accustomed to it and therefore goes on in it to manifest thy deluding tongue lying and hellish doctrine c. proceeding from an Erronious and deceitfull Spirit for lying and deluding tongues is by us denied who walke in obedience to the truth through the Spirit as such did 2 Pet. 1.22.23 who were borne againe and were of the incorruptible seed and all outside holinesse which is not the holinesse of God is by us denyed and throwing dirt in the face of truth shall stand for thy selfe who art such an abominable lyer which is by us denyed and also all doctrine that is from darknesse and Hell arid thou canst not prove what thou hast said thy witnesse is but from darknesse and the corruptions of thy evill heart and so of thy selfe and not true therefore the 18. 19. 20 21. and 22 Lies with the rest of thy Antichristian worke is charged upon thee and left for thy selfe and such as with thee in it hath taken thy part take notice of thy errours or lies and thy Antichristian worke And thy 23 lie Is one of thy first heads or ground of thy booke where thou saies R.F. said he was a man wholly free from sin and not subject to any one temptation such words were not so spoken by me though to the truth I did witnesse as I doe still against thy deceit and such as thou art neither canst thou produce them so set downe together in that my book which thou pretends thine answer unto therefore in that thou hast made a lie thy refuge and grounds much upon it but if thy first head or that ground be a lie then the rest is but that which the lier hath scraped together to guard it withall seeking thereby to uphold his deceit therefore be ashamed that thou shouldest so utter thy folly to make thy selfe manifest as thou hast done But such as are wholly free from sin are sanctified by Christ and them and their condition I truly love 1 Cor. 6.11 Heb.
but could not prove their saying therein and yet is to prove and the question to answer in the ground and true meaning which thou hast but made a poore shuffle in Error or Lies 58. 59 60. But to come on to turne thee thy lies back upon thee againe in page the 38. there is thy 58. 59. and 60 lies where thou saies as the Pharisees were without mercy so are you but thy testimony is false therein and where thou saies you look for justification by the law and by following the imaginations of an evill heart in you And thy 60 lie is where thou saies you are now through unbeleife departed from the pure way of the Lord those lies shall stand for thy selfe for the pure way of the Lord which is Christ the true light we are not departed from but walke in Joh. 1.9 Joh. 14.6 Joh. 8.12 And such as say we are departed from the pure way when we walk in it they must needs be guided by a lying and an erring Spirits as thou art and as we walke and so abide in him he keepeth us and teacheth us also to shew mercy to the objects of it and being mercifull we obtaine mercy and are blessed as to such Christ in his doctrine hath said Mat. 5. vers the 7th but we are taught also to reprove the deceipt and to have no fellowship with the unfruitfull works of darkness Eph. 5,11 at which thou and the Serpents seed are offended as they were at Christ our example in mercy and way to the Father who called them a generation of vipers and said how shall you escape the damnation of hell Mat. 23.33 And he who is our peace and way to the Father to wit Christ Jesus is our justification and sanctification also for by his blood are we justified and by his life are we saved Rom. 5.8.9.10,11 1 Cor. 1.30 and not as thou falsly saies therefore thou art left charged with those three lies that I have here answered which makes thy number 60 And being given over to lie thou art doubling or trebling them where thou art slandering and accuseing us falsly for thou saies As the Pharisees boasted more of themselves then any other people that shall stand for your selves that stick in the shadows as they did after the substance was come but thou saies so are these men boasting of perfection But boasting we deny yet we witnesse to the truth as before is said and therefore thou art here charged with another lie so making thy number 61 and thou saies we boast of perfection as the book declares but the book doth not say or declare that we boast of perfection perfection and therefore thou hast belied the book as the wise hearted may see and that shall stand for thy 62 lie And going on to lie making it thy work so to do thou saies they make it their whole work to overthrow the rule of the Scripture and all the ordinances thereof but we do not as thou saies and therefore thou art left charged with other 2 lies which makes thy number 64 The Rule or ground of the Scriptures is that from which they did proceed but the holy Scriptures and ordinances thereof proceeded from God and his Spirit and to say that God and his Spirit and so the rule of the Scriptures c can be overthrowne that is absurdity or meere blasphemy and we do not seek to do it neither is it any part of our worke to do as thou saies therefore take notice and be for ever ashamed of such thy absurdities or blasphemy and lies that makes it thy businesse to lie and-goes on in it saying they throw aside all the Laws and Ordinances of the Lord Jesus that is but to fill up thy number of lies and makes it amount to 66 and many more which I passe by which is not here mentioned but these may serve to let thee see thy folly and that others may see by what a lying and erring Spirit thou art guided and led that makes it thy businesse to lie and so to sin and serve thy Father the Devill Joh. 8.44 Rom. 6.16 and see thy portion for thy Fathers worke and remember that liers are for the lake Rev. 21.8 And where thou would raise severall lies upon mee from what is written in the beginning of my book about the worships of God c it is but as the rest of thy lies and deceitfull worke and therefore lies having no force in them to weaken the truth the book shall and doth cleare it selie of thee And this shall be a witnesse or further testimony against thy lying refuge which truth sweeps away or turnes back upon thee and thy partakers againe and keeps it selfe pure and cleane so for to remaine Take notice of another trick which the deceipt and that lying Spirit hath taught thee where thou art speaking against the plaine and proper language of thee and thou which thou saies is a proper language to any single person and afterwards saith it is not binding or to be performed If the wicked used it as well as the godly in former ages what a poore shift is that for thou saies if in all ages we finde the Lords people useing this terme and proper language of thee and thou to a single person c. and they only useing of it then thou saies it is granted that you err in that thing if you do it not but if the worst of men used it as well as the best of men then it is not binding or to be performed thou saies As much as to say though truth be truth and right and proper and ought to be obeyed and walked in yet because wicked men and enemies to it profess it as well as the godly and upright that in obedience to the Lord do practise it then it is not binding and to be walked in c. Oh horible delusion And as much as to say because the Devill and his disciples made use of the Scriptures for their own ends as well as the godly did for the truths defence yet according to thy argument they are not binding to be walked in c. because the Devill and wicked men made use of them as Christ and his disciples and the best of men did c And so thou saies the terme thee and thou is the proper or true and right speech to any single person yet because the Devill and the worst of men used it as Christ and the best of men did therefore it is not binding to be performed and practised thou saies oh horible deceipt Though I passe by many of thy lies yet I cannot but put thee in minde of some more of them and turne them back upon thee againe in page 29 first thou art Quering and saies Quisitively is not your mercy and pittie turned into bitternesse and hatred c here thou shews thou knows not but art quiering by thy darke minde into the things then presently after in the
true Spirits order to further make manifest your disorder and also your Spirit of delusion and errour And again you say God will judge the secrets of all hearts by the written word or letter of the Scripture when the Minister of Christ saith the contrary who saith that God will Judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ Rom 2.16 then not by the lettet of the Scripture and the Son saith All judgment is Committed unto him and the Father hath given him authority to execute judgment also because he is the Son but he hath not given authority to the letter of the Scripture to execute judgment because it is the letter of the Scripture and declareth or testifieth of the Son but is not the Son then the Scripture is not the judge of all hearts but the Son is so to wit the judge of all hearts as the Scripture declareth Joh. 5.22 and Joh. 5,26.27 Act. 17 31. Take notice how you would deprive Christ of his Kingly office and take the authoritie from him to put upon the letter and hath againe thereby further manifested your Spirit of errour THE HOLY SCRIPTURES Are cleared of Scandals OR AN ANSWER TO A BOOK Written by Thomas Pallord Henry Hagger As they say In Answer to a Book set â—orth by Richard Farnworth wherein they pretend to clear the truth of Scandals but are found Lyars and the Lyes is sent them back in a bundle or number that they may see their deceipt and Spirit or Lies Errors and Slanders THo Pallord and Henry Hagger who are mighty in the work of your Father John 8.44 you pretend to clear the truth of Scandals but of it are Lyars and Scandallers and evil Speakers and false Accusers and therefore that you may take notice of the fruit of your Fathers Spirit by which you are guided and taught to lie I have viewed your work or scandalous and deceitful Book and gathered out of it being numbred up the sum of 60 and odde or Threescore Lies and more besides many that I have passed by these being sufficient for to manifest your Spirit and the deceit of your heart as also severall lies gathered out of a Paper written or caused to be Printed under the name of John Griffith oue of the water Baptizers with you or in your number and I hare also sent them back amongst you into the lyars Generation again take them and keep them for they are returned back upon you and into the lyars generation from whence they came that Truth may be kept clear and you appear in your lying colours or be laid open who are such great deceivers unto your shame who hath taken upon you to slander and revile the Lotds people by you in disdain called Quakers and also to Prophesie or publish your lies in pretence of the Lords Name But to bo wort I shall lay several of them down return them back upon you from whence they came Tho Pollard Thou hast set down things which I neither spoke nor writ and says I affirmed them when I did not and therefore thy gronnds being lies that which springs out of them is so as well as thy Grounds or Heads but I turn them under and drive them back with the rest of thy Lies into the Serpents seat ugain lyars Generation from whence they came Eâ—…or or Lie the first In thy third page Thou says it is such a deceipt that they that say they have no sin the truth is not in them but thou cannot prove thy saying therein whose fallacy is laid down in that word they which includes any when the Scripture says not so as thou dost and therefore in that thou hast lyed of the truth and truths friends as it appeareth And here thou goes about to prove that Christ and such as are in him hath no truth in them and that is contradiction to the Scripture and the Spirits Doctrine for thou fetbheth Christ in with them and includes all in that word they saying They that say they have no sin the truth is not in thom as much as to say They that are without sin are without truth and have no truth in them but Christ and such as are in him are without sin Therefore if they say they are without sin there is no truth in them as thou says for that is contrary to thy proofless Argument Pollard or Hagger whether of you laid it down take notice of your folly therein here thou would by that have Christ and such as are in him to have no truth in them see what a trick the deceit hath taught thee in that for first it is said of Christ That he sinned not and so was without sin for no guile was found in his month and therefore he was without sin and the truth was in him contrary to thy lying of him for he is both the way the truth and the life Joh. 14.6 and is without sin but full of truth and such as abide in him they sin not as saith the Scripture 1 Joh. 3.5,6 then such as abide in Christ sin not as the Scripture saith they are without sin 1 John 3.9 and the truth is in them for such said That as he was so was they in this present world 1 John 4.16,17 Pallard take notice of thy Errors and Lies and also of thy contradiction of the Scripture For they that did abide in Christ and sinned not 1 John 3.6 they were so far trom being without truth or having no truth in them that they were full of grace and truth for the Spirit of God was in them which was truth and no lie 1 John 3.24 And secondly the word of God was in them 1 John 2.14 and they were strong in the Lord and the power of his truth for they had overcome the wicked one and the word of God were abiding in them and so the truth of God abode within them for saith Christ to his Father Sanctifie them with thy word thy word is truth John 17.17 Then they that had overcome the wicked one and were sanctified through the truth and were without sin having also the word of God abiding within they were full of truth and not without it or no truth in them take notice of thy absurdities and lies for they had the holy Unction within them that were without sin and that was truth and no lie 1 John 2.20 and 27. and greater was he that was in them then he that was in the World 1 Iohn 4.4 take notice of thy lie and that trick of thy deceit Error or Lie the second Thy second Lie is that thou saies we boast of perfection perfection in and by Christ we own else we should deny the truth and the worke of grace according to the working of the Spirit of God as it is witnessed according to the Scripture and by the Ministrie of Christ in the new Covenant Math. 5.48 and Eph. 4.11.12.13 1 Cor. 2.6 Heb. 6.1 Heb. 12.22.23 but though we witnesse
2.10.11 1. Pet. 4.1.2 and they that have suffered in the flesh and seased from sin though they may be tempted yet if they be not subject to enter into temptations they are upheld by the power of God and united to Christ who though he was tempted in all things like unto us yet he were not subject to the tempter neither did he enter into the temptation And it is no sin to be tempted but to obey the tempter and enter into temptation that is a sin and though Christ was tempted yet he did not obey the tempter and therefore did not sin and such as are united to Christ and abideth in him they do not sin as saith the Scriptures 1 Joh. 3.6 then they enter not into temptation that are so united and abide with Christ in that true union but as he is so are they in this present world as the Scripture witnesseth 1 Joh. 4.16.17 Rev. 14.3.4.5 and an t thou offended at that if thou be it is but to shew thy dislike to the work of Christ which is to take away sin and thy contradiction to the Scripture which also witnesseth the same And thy 24 lie Is one of thy grounds or second heads by which thou labours to uphold thy deceit in page the 8 which thou calls the second thing that Farnsworth as thou saies affirmed that is as thou saies when Paul spoke those words in the seaventh of the Romans where he cries out of a body of death and of the warfare he had in himselfe and to streng then thy lies thou saies Farnsworth said he was not then converted lier art thou not ashamed of such an abominable lie let the wise hearted search the booke written by me and see if they can in it finde such an affirmative and thou pretends to write thine in answer unto it and in page the 22 thou saies these are his principles he saith he ownes in his book oh that a man professing godlinesse should no more regard what he saies bur it is good that fooles utter their sollie as thou hast done thine thereby to manifest that deceit which long hath lain hid within thee but the book shall stand a witnesse against thee And that lie thou hast laid as a ground to build upon but the ground being false the building cannot stand therefore thou art left with thy refuge of lies and the burden thou must beare who art so acting Antichrists Spirit and being accustomed to do evill how canst thou do well be ashamed for ever of thy bundle or number of lies which are so prooflesse and now are back upon thee returned and in the liers generation are left to remaine And thy 25 lie is in thy 8th page which thou saies is thy answer to that as aforesaid where thou saies thou answered and said O man minde thy errour what Paul a messenger of the Gospel and so eminent Apostle of Christ and unconverted here I charge thee with this lie also for I neither said that Paul at that time were unconverted nor thou made noe such answer then unto mee and co say thou so answered when thou did not as many may wirnesse that is grosse deceit and double hypocrisie therefore Pollard thou therein hast made thy selfe manifest by thy lying Spirit to be a wicked lier a grosse deceaver and a double hypocrit oh man see thy errour lies and deceit and blush and also be ashamed for ever thou pretended to write thy booke in answer to mine but cannot prove such sayings therein nor Hagger to helpe thee yet you have bended your tongues like your bowes for lies and made them your refuge but truth sweeps them away or casts them out turning them upon you you liers againe and into the liers generation from whence they came and all that which thou hast scraped together and Haggar to help thee for the backing of your deceit and to mannage your lies I passe over and come to that which thou calls thy third thing Farnsworth affirmed as thou saies which is thy 26 lie saying that where Iohn spake those words if we say we have no sin we deceive our selves c. saying he said Iohn did not here speak of himself but the people to whom he spake those words were unconverted That is but like unto the rest of thy lies but thou canst not prove such a saying in my Book and thou says those was my principles which I stood by and owned in my book and saying so but cannot prove thy saying therein I pass by the rest of thy stuff which thou hast scraped together to back or strengthen thy lie withal and leave thee charged with that Lie also which makes up the number 26. And where thou says thou pleads not for a continuance in sin thy lying also therein is seen who art so accustomed to it and it is hard for thee to leave it And where thou art speaking about trying the Spirits page 11. Liars hath nothing to do to try them but thou art a Lyar and hath a number of lies charged upon thee and therefore thine is tryed known thereby to be a lying so an erring spirit But thou says you may honestly argue that If they and they onely be the friends of God that walk in obedience to the Commandments of God then they must needs be enemies that oppose but the first is true thou says Then it follows from thy own argument about the tryal of Spirits that thou that opposeth the truth art the enemy and the only enemy and no friend for he commands That every one that names the Name of Christ should depart from iniquity and that they should not lie c. 2 Tim. 2.19 Eph. 4.22,23,24,25 but thou art strong in iniquity and so pleading for it that such as obeys the commands of God in departing from it and thereby comes to be freed from it and be without it thou would have such to be enemies that are Gods friends saying They have no truth in them if they be departed from iniquity so as to have no sin in them and thus thou crosseth the Scriptures and obeyeth not the light but acts in darkness and opposeth the truth and art not subject to the commands of God who art such a Lyar c. who departs not from iniquity but lives in opposition to the truth and continues in lying as is here manifest therefore thy spirit is tryed and thou art found to be the enemy of God and also according to thy own saying and self confusion therefore stop thy mouth and be silent about speaking of the things of the Spirit of God by a lying spirit of error and deceit for darkness speaks in thee and the Serpents head who is yet unbruised in thee And where thou art speaking to those thou calls dear friends saying Beware least you be led away with the error of the wicked Thou art led away with the error of the wicked thy self who art so given over to lying as thou hast
made thy self manifest and being guided by a lying spirit thou art to be denyed but thou says now is the hour of temptation for if these be not wicked errors I know not what is Yes thy many lies which before with the rest that are set down are so and the Scriptures which thou so much talks of hath not kept thee for falling into them but thou would put it off and say they are those which are laid down to their view which Farnsworth did stand by to vindicate if his own testimony may stand Here again I charge thee to be a lyar and a false accuser and that they was not so testified by Farnsworth as thou hast set them down thinking thereby to strengthen thy deceit neither canst thou prove them to be so in his testimony or book which thou hast written thine in answer unto and there thou art proved the Lyar in that as well as the rest and therefore thou art left with them charged upon thee and there they are to remain clear thy self if thou can for this book doth not clear thee but lets thy filthiness more appear neither doth it at all weaken the book thou pretendest it against but it stands yet for the truth against thy deceit as this doth stand to witness against thy lies which in thine thou hast scraped together or heaped up to manifest that thou art not builded upon the rock and therefore thy building cannot stand who makes lies thy refuge being set upon the sand as thy lies and confusion maketh it manifest for the tree is known by its fruits as thou art by thine Matth. 7.15 And where thou saist to the Reader that we deny the rule of Tryal to try the spirits withal that is another of thy lies For in thy 28. Lie page the 14. thou saist The rule of tryal to try the spirits withal is thrown away by them And in thy 29 Lie Thou saist it is become of none use to those men except it be for advantage take notice of thy Lies and also of thy own confusion within thy exception for that which is for a good use and right advantage is not thrown away but made use of but the tryal or Tryer spirits is not by us thrown away though thou say it is but made use of according to thy saying in thy self-confutation and it is both advantagious and profitable for us and also to try your deceits withal take notice of that and take heed how thou utterest thy folly as thou hast done And where thou saist many poor souls have been misled as to say that which men call sin doth as highly honor God as that which men call Prayers and holy performances and faith these things thou hast heard uttered by mouth and seen in print and hath as it were cast it as a slander upon upon us and doth accuse us with it where thou saist this is their principle and how doth it open a door of loosness pag. 14. Such Principles we do deny and thy slander also and all that knows our Principles and practice may witness against thee in thy filthy Slanders And I charge thee in the presence of the Lord and also Haggar thy partaker to prove that ever such things were ever spoken or printed by us or else be ashamed for ever and own condemnation upon your wicked lies and gross errors who are so far misled as to act Antichrists part making lies your refuge seeking thereby to hold up your deceir And to thy fourth That thou says Farnsworth affirmed that Christ had not a visible Church in the world for thou saies they are his principles set downe in his book that the Church was in God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ is in his books that he affirmeth and the Scriptures witnesseth the same 1 Thessalon 1.1 2 Thessalo 1.1 and that the Church is made of living stones elect and pretious a spirituall house for God to dwell in by the Spirit and officers and over-seers were made by the Holy-Ghost and he is not visible for the world seeth him not neither knoweth him and that is in his book and the Scriptures witnesseth the same at which thou art offended 1 Pet. 2.5.6 John 14 17. Ephes 2.20.21.22 Acts 20.28 And God is a Spirit and his Church is spirituall and they endured as seeing him who is invisible which thou appeares to be ignorant of and thou saith to manifest thy darkness and ignorance therein because Farnsworth tells of an invisible or spirituall Church he thou saies is no member nor officer in that Church because he is a visible man as much as to say Paul that eminent Apostle because he was a visible man as to the outward body his visible or bodily absence did exclude his invisible or spirituall presence from the Church and that is contrary to the Scriptures and Crosseth his experience and spirituall doctrine also who him-self said that tho he was absent in body yet he was present in Spirit beholding their order Col. 2.5 then it was a spirituall order and rule or government in the Church and the visible and bodily absence of Paul did not exclude his invisible or spiritual presence but that thou art blind in the things of God the Spirit of God as the Serpents seed ever was and according to that former saying of thine because Christ was visiblely ascended far beyond all Heavens Acts. 1.11 Jesus of Nazareth could not be invisibly persecuted by the contrary Spirits invisible men c. And that is cross to the Scriptures for after Christ was so visiblely ascended he spake to Saule that persecuted his seed and he said Saul Saul why persecutest thou mee he said Lord who art thou that I persecute he said I am Jesus of Nazareth and he were ascended far beyond all Heavens Acts 9.4.5 When he were invisible by a contrary Spirit in a visible man so persecured or his seed in his Saints and such as were his Church that was chosen out of the world Joh. 15.18.19 which Church thou hast shewed thy ignorance of and thy blindnesse in That Farnsworth should say or affirme that all ordinances ceased when Christ ascended and gave the Spirit was never so spoken by him neither canst thou find such a saying in that book which thou pretends to write thine in answer unto therefore thy ground or fifth head being false so is thy scraped up stuffe and turned under by which thou seeks to make a cover and thou art also left charged with that thy 30 Lie And where thou hast gathered many Scriptures in thy book about the Spirits teaching and Baptisme c thou saies when thou instanced those Scriptures before which thou hast set downe thou saies Farnsworth said that was not water Baptisme here thou hast lied againe and that is thy 31 Lie saying thou did before mention those Scriptures when thou did not then mention them and thou saies many can witness it but then it must be against thee and
moving cause of faith and salvation and thou hast contradicted the Scriptures and preferred them before Christ and without them thou would have no salvation and so would not have Christ to be a perfect Saviour without them nor to be perfectly able to save to the uttermost all those that come unto God by him though he be as the Scripture witnesseth Hebr 7.27 neither is there any salvation without him Act. 4.12 and as he is the author of faith so he is the author of eternall salvation to all that obey him Hebr. 5.8.9 And thou saies to destroy the ordinances of preaching the Scriptures for that is thy drift by which faith comes must needs tend to destroy faith thou saies and then please God who can That is thy saying but thy designe instead of these men is weighed that goes about to give the Scripture all the preheminence and set it up as God and Christ and no salvation without it but thou art contradicted by it who saith also that the Scripture brings to Christ then it must needs be the ground and cause of faith and salvation if so but thou hast therein erred and lied of Christ and the Scriptures in that thy 37th lie for Christ and the Scriptures will both contradict thee in thy lies and errours for Christ brings to understand the Scriptures Luke 14.32 and saith without mee ye can do nothing then he is the ground of faith and knowing God who giveth an understanding to know him that is true c. as the Scripture witnesseth 1 Joh. .20 and the Spirit revealeth even the deep things of God but thou saies if they can once bring a poore soul into this condition to disowne the Scriptures when he stands most in need of it to bring him to Christ and shew him how he ought to walk so as to please God c Here thou hast confirmed thy former saying and strengthened thy deceipt with thy lies and set the letter of the Scripture in the roome of the Spirit for the Spirit doth guide into all truth Joh. 14.16 Joh. 16.13 and shew things to come and so how to walke to please God for they that are guided by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God Rom. 8.14 c. and walke in the Spirit whereby they please God Rom. 8.1 for God hath sent the Spirit of his Son into the hearts of his Children Gal. 4.6 to teach and guide them 1 Joh. 3.1 Rom. 8 and shew them how to walk to please him Gal. 5.22.23.24 c which Spirit of God and his teachings thou hast shewed thy ignorance in and of now as well as before that said the letter which thou calledst the written word and the Spirit were inseparable and said the scripture were a History and that book which thy lies hath not weakened stands still with this to witnesse against thee and thy deceipt and such as thou art the 37. Error or Lie The Scripture thou saies is a perfect rule to walke by that confirmes thy other lies also page 22. Here thou contradicts the promise and doctrine of Christ Joh. 14.15.16,17 who promised and gave his Spirit to be a perfect rule to walk by and guide into all truth Joh 16,13 Gal. 4.6 Rom. 8. and here thou hast manifested another errour or thy 37 lie Againe thou saies the Scriptures is the guide into the way of truth and peace so hath put the letter to guide instead of the Spirit which Spirit Christ calls a guide to guide into all truth John 16.13 and so into the way of truth peace Joh. 14.20.26 here thou hast lied of Christ the Spirit which is the true guide hath set the letter of the Scriptures to guide into the way of truth peace but they have not guided thee out of errour lying and deceipt nor into the way of truth peace that art charged here with thy 37. or 38 lies besides what followeth after therefore thy Spirit is tried knowne to be the Spirit of errour who hath made lies thy refuge which thou art found in so out of the way of truth peace And where thou saies thou hast given them his principles thou might have said thou hast laid them downe thy own errours to wit the lies slanders which I have left charged upon thee in severall particulers And where thou seemes to be offended because I said that thou came on purpose to the meeting at Harleston to cavill that thou did as thy fruits and lies made thee manifest and many may witnesse the same Secondly thou saies I say thou told of a visible Church in the world that is not denied but witnessed unto as it stands in my book Thirdly thou saies I say in my book that thou said the letter c the Spirit was inseparable And that the officers overseers in that Church which Christ had purchased with his blood were made by the holy Ghost I do not deny but witnesse unto Act. 20.28 thy shuffles doth not prove what thou would compasse by thy reason to have a temporall or carnal Church temporal or carnall officers therein for that which is seen is temporal but that which is not seene is eternal they looked not carnally at things which were visible and seene as thou dost as they do witnesse 2 Cor. 4.17 18. who said For our light affliction which is but for a moment worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternall weight of glory while we look not at the things which are visible or seene but at the things which are invisible and not seene and 2 Cor. 4.17 and 18 for we walke by faith and not by outward and visible sight in the things of the Spirit of God c 1 Cor. 5.7 which are spiritually enjoyed and the holy Ghost who is invisible dwelleth within Joh. 14.17 and is invisible where the world seeth him not to guide into all truth such as obey and follow the same and though Paul and the rest as to the outward were visible men yet their knowledge were not after the flesh as thine is neither did they looke carnally at the things of God as thou dost who argues so carnally for they knew no man after the flesh 2 Cor. 5.16.17 and as their knowledge stood in the Spirit and spirituall things about the worship of God Joh. 4.23 Phi. 3.3 in the Spirit so their offices were in the Spirit overseers made by the holy Ghost and they preached by the Spirit Act. 2.4 and 2 Cor. 3.6 and prayed with the Spirit 1 Cor. 14.15 and went forth to preach by the Spirit in the power of the holy Ghost Acts 1.8 Act. 2.4 Act. 6.10 Acts 7.54.55 Acts 6.3 and Act. 13.4 Gal. 1.11.12 and 15 16 and the Spirit had the rule and government in the Church and the spirituall man but not the natural because the things of the Spirit of God are were spiritually discerned reveiled 1 Cor. 2.10 and where thou
5.4.5 c. they ate not as John Griffith falsely saith and these Scriptures and the faith and birth spoken of in them and the light we also own who walk in it and are not as John Griffith saith therefore he hath prophesied or spoken other three lies and more also in the name of the Lord and hath manifest thereby his false Prophecy and himself to be a false Prophet as it is considered of and known And he goes on with his lies and speaks them in pretence of the name of the Lord saying and saith falsely thus saith the Lord ye have said it is in vain to serve God and what Profit is it that we have kept his Ordinances c. John Griffith when didst thou hear us say so here thou false Prophet that art without proof for thy lies I testifie unto thee from the witness for God that the Lord never so said unto thee nor sent thee to prophecy those lies in his name neither didst thou ever hear us and the righteous seed say as thou falsely hath done and therefore thou art one that prophecies lies in pretence of the Lord who never said that he would fire root and branch of the righteous seed though reproached by the name of Nazerens or Quakers c. as thou sayes and so thy lies and false Prophecies hath laid thee open and made thee manifest to be a false Prophet And we who fear the living God and serve him that keep his Ordinances and walk humbly or mournfully before him do testifie against thy lies and false Prophecies whom thou and the Serpents seed revilest and reproachest under the nick-name of Quakers And since we knew God and his word Oracle Worship and Ordinances never said that it was in vain to serve him and therefore thou hast added thy fifth lye Neither did we say that are in Covenant with God that it was in vain to keep his Ordinances since they were delivered unto us God is our witness which witness is greater than the witness of men 1 John 5.9.10 c. therefore in that thou hast prophecied falsely and added thy sixth lye Neither did we say nor ever declare it to thee that it was in vain to walk humbly or mournfully before the Lord in that as well as the other God is our witness before whom we appeal and to the truth of it his â—pirit doth witness with ours that obey him and walk humbly before him Rom. 8.14,15,16 And therefore John Griffith thy prophecy is false and in that thou hast added thy seventh lye in thy false Prophecy And therefore from the spirit of the Lord in obedience to the word of the Lord this do I declare and testifie which shall stand a witness against thee and thy lying and false Prophecy wherein thou sayes we are spiritually proud when we are not for that is by us denied as well as all other pride and therefore in that thou hast prophecied falsely and added thereunto thy eighth lye Wherein thou goes on in lying saying that we are proud Pharisees and Hypocrits c. but hath not so proved it therefore thou hast added thy ninth lye Thou sayes that we boast of our light within but boasting we deny and all Pharisaicallism and Hypocrisie and that is thy tenth lye Yet the light we own and follow else we should deny Christ who is the light of the world that lighteth every man that commeth into the world John 1.9 and such as follow him as he hath said are by the light led out of darkness into the light of life as the Scripture declareth which we witness with Col. 1.27 John 8.12 Thou sayes in thy false Prophecy that we neglect the weightier matters of the Law that is thy eleventh lye And the Law it self that is thy twelveth lye p. 3. For righteousness mercy and true judgement c. is the weighty matters of the Law for he hath shewed it unto us and therefore walking humbly before him and doing justly loving mercy c. Mica 6.8 we do not neglect neither the weightier matters of the Law nor the Law it self Rom. 8. for the righreousness of the Law is fulfilled in us that walk not after darkness and the flesh but after the spirit and spiritual light and Law within which doth condemn unrighteousness and sin Rom. 8.2,3,4 as the Scripture witnesseth And thou sayes amongst the rest of thy lies that the Scriptures is the Rule of faith and conversation when Christ and his Spirit is both the way and guid into all truth John 14.6 John 16.13 and so into faith Heb. 12.2 and a holy Converstion for without me saith he ye can do nothing then not believe without him and he is both the Authour and finisher of faith that calleth also into an holy Conversation for saith the Apostle as he that hath called you is holy so be you holy in all manner of coÌ„versation 1 Pet. 1.13,14,15 Take notice of thy contradiction to Scripture and thy error in that who hath thereby added thy thirteenth lye Thou sayes we erre not knowing the Scriptures nor power of God that shall stand for thy selfe which is also thy fourteenth lye For the Scriptures are they that testifie of Christ and that we know as they also witness of themselves where Christ saith search them but he is the life and ye will not come to him that ye might have life that are such enemies to him like their example that were lyars and false accusers like you And as the Scriptures testifie of Christ John 5.39.40 so do they also testifie of the power of God unto salvation Rom. 1.16 which power we know and witness unto and in with the Scriptures that testifie of it and therefore thou John Griffith hath told that fourteenth lie And thou sayes we are they that perish page 3. but such as are kept by the power of God and are thereby saved do not perish which power and salvation by and in it through the Lord Jesus we witness and so do not perish as thou falsely saith and therefore thou art charged with that lie which makes the number fifteen Thou sayes that the Scriptures without faith in Christ for thou leaves that out is able to make a man wise to salvation and to furnish him thoroughly to every good work page 3. when it is Christ that doth it and thou hast belied the Scriptures for thou hast left out the chief and moving cause to wit Christ and faith in him and sayes the Scriptures are able to do it when the Apostle tells Tymothy that the holy Scriptures were able to make him wise to salvation c. Through faith in Christ Jesus 2 Tim. 3.15,16,17 and he saith that Christ is the giver and so both the Authour and finisher of faith Heb. 12.2 and the Apostle prayed that the Colossians might be strengthened and so furnished according to the working of his glorious power giving thanks unto the Father which made them meet to be partakers of the
Inheritance of the Saints in light for they were compleat and furnished in and by Christ the head of all principality and power for in him and not in the letter of the Scripture dwelleth all the fulness of the God-head bodily Colos 1.9.10,11,12 29. Col. 2.9.10 and here again take notice how thou hast lied of the Scripture and shewed thy spirit of errour in this thy sixteenth errour or lie Thou â—aith we are perverters of the word but that is by us denied and stands for thy self who art a wrester and so a perverter of the Scripture which thou calls the word and thou art there taken in thy own snare where thou hast added thy seventeenth lie And after thou hast given the preheminence to the Scripture so taking it from Christ and contradicting it therein Col. 1.18 saying the Scriptures are the rule of faith when Christ is the rule and Authour of faith Heb. 12.2 and saying the Scriptures are both the rule of faith and also able to make the man of God wise to salvation and furnish him throughly to every good work page 3. without Christ and faith in him the moving cause both of faith and salvation c. for thou hast left faith in Christ and that out and so there in that page thou hast been labouring to set the Scripture up in the room of Christ and belied it also and to confute and contradict thy selfe in thy confusion and self-contradiction that it may appear thou hast made it manifest except thou would make the Scriptures Christ and Christ the Scriptures and if thou would do so that would be contradiction upon contradiction and more make manifest thy self-confutation In page 12. where thou art writing or speaking to those thou calls Saints thou therein saith that Christ is Gods treasury and if Christ be Gods treasury then fulnesse is not in the letter or Scripture but in him for in him thou also sayes to wit Christ are hid the treasures of wisdom and knowledge if in him then not in the Scriptures except thou make the Scriptures Christ and here thy own words serves to be thy own confutation which is manifest in thy self-contradiction for thou sayes it hath pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell to wit Christ and if all fulness dwell in Christ then not in the Scripture take notice of that and how doth it also crosse thy third page where thou hast manifested thy errour And after thou hast confessed and said that all fulness dwells in Christ thou sayes where then shall we go for wisdom and knowledge but to Christ page 12. If all fulness dwell in Christ and there be no whereto go for true wisdom and knowledge but to him then it is he that furnisheth thorowly to every good work and also makes wise to salvation and then how doth it crosse thy other sayings where thou sayes the Scriptures are the rule of faith and the Scriptures are able to make wise to salvation and able to furnish thoroughly to every good work and here thou hast contradicted all that except thou would have the Scriptures to be Christ and Christ to be the Scriptures and then thou again contradicts that for thou saith life is in the Son but the Scriptures is not the Son therefore the life is not in them for thou sayes that Christ is the life of Saints then the Scripture is not their life because the Scripture is not the Son and thou tells those thou calls Saints if they forsake Christ they forsake the life page 12. and then thou goes from the Son and so from Christ to the letter and therefore from the life according to thy own saying in thy confusion and contradicts those sayings of thy twelfth page in page 13. For there again thou art run from Christ to the Letter and saith the Scriptures are able to make wise to salvation and must be the rule in point of faith and conversation and if they must be so then by that necessity thou would not have Christ to be so yea thou saies the Scriptures they will furnish unto every good worke And if they must do it and will do it then Christ must not and doth not except the Scriptures be Christ and that is not so for they do but testifie of him Joh. 5.39.40 and thy 13 page doth crosse and contradict thy 12 and thy 12 page doth confute thy 3 page therefore after thou have prophecied many lies take notice how thou have run upon two rocks even self contradiction and selfe confutation and here it is to be observed that it is thee that errs not knowing the Scripture and power of God and not the Quakers as in thy false Prophecie thou did affirme and there thou hast even split thy selfe upon such Rocks even selfe contraction and selfe confutation Here take notice of your folly and remember what you have done for it is considered and knowne That such as say they write and speake from the word of the Lord and Prophecie falsly and writes and so speaks lies and selfe contradictions must needs be false Prophets But Iohn Griffith in that book called A Voice from the word of the Lord he hath so done therefore Iohn Griffith he is a false Prophet as it is considered and knowne as well as Thomas Pollard and Henry Hanger are false Apostles as before is proved And by their books of lies and slanders is further against them made manifest Oh lier thus saith the Lord the lake is prepared for thee and all liers take notice of that and read Rev. 21.8 to witnesse here with me in the same and thither must the false Prophets and liers be cast as it is written Rev. 22.15 and Rev. 21.8.27 Rev. 20.10 to be tormented day and night c And thine Henry Hagger as well as John Griffiths is considered and you are found to be those that refuse the light of Christ and walks after the jmaginations of your own hearts and not the light within who dispise the light and word of the Lord that are such liers and false accusers doing such deceiptfull works and so are works of iniquity under a refined subtilty which Christ saith he knows not according to thy saying or third consideration and Math 7.22.23 And you are they that preach and publish lies as your number makes it manifest and not the word of God for it witnesseth against liers like you who are such as those in thy 4th consideration and the deceivers shall stand for your selves that are such liers and therefore deceivers as in thy 5th consideration And where thou in contempt to the light and so to the truth thou saies Paul did not commit thÌ„e to the light within thÌ„e to the which I answer that lie did commit them to God he is light 1 Joh. 1.5 was within them for greater was he that was in them then he that was in the world 1 Ioh. 4.4 2 Cor. 6.16 and as God who was light was
Henry Hagger and Iohn Griffith are though they may have a forme of godlinesse from the letter yet denying the light and life or power of godlinesse in the Spirit they are to be turned away from and denied Thy Queries and considerations differs somthing in the name yet little in the nature or matter but to them I shall returne this answer as followeth To thy first that the light which is of the Spirit of God in man which doth convince him of sin the transgression of the law 1 Joh. 3.4 if it be obeyed and followed it will lead as it doth us him out of darknesse and sin into the light of life Joh. 8.12 and so into the life of the law and not from it which is the end of thy Queries for the righteousnesse of the law is fulfilled in such as walke not after darknesse and the flesh but after the light and so after the Spirit Rom. 8.3,4 or in short and to thy Question in breife that the light of God in man doth not lead him contrary to his law and testmony in the Spirit But according to it and so through the law into the Gospel so that there is no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus who walke not after the flesh but after the Spirit Rom. 8.1 and therefore thy lie and slander in thy first Querie turnes back upon thee againe and also those in thy second who art given over to lie and speake falsly as thou hast done And to thy second such as despise the light of the Spirit and the living truth and undervalue the light of life Joh. 8.12 preferring the letter before it and set the letter above the Spirit they must needs be in darkness and so the God of this world hath blinded their mindes as he hath done thine and such liers and false-accusers of the light and the truth least the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ which is the image of God should shine unto you and unto them 2 Cor. 4.3.4 But the Scriptures we do not undervalue as thou saies nor dispise these are two of thy lies neither do we walke in darknesse no more then such did that preferred the light of the Gospel above the letter and were Ministers of the light and Spirit within and not of the letter 2 Cor. 3.6 and they preached not themselves but the light and the Lord Jesus as we do and said God who commanded the light to shine out of darknesse did shine within them even in their hearts as it doth in ours to give us the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ and this treasure have we in earthen vessels that the excellency of the power may be of God and not of us And they that preached the light and the Lord Jesus they had the same light c within them which thou being in darknesse stumbleth at 2 Cor. 4.5.6,7 Colos 1.27.28.29 3. That true light which is of God in man the Scriptures declareth of and according to Psal 119 130 where it saith The enterance of thy words giveth light which words had enterance in David before he spake or writ them then the words that giveth light or the teachings of the Spirit of God that giveth an understanding is within as David witnessed who said Light was sowne for the righteous and gladnesse for the upright in heart Psal 97.11 and the law of his God was within him even in his heart Psal 37.31 and the word were hid in Davids heart Psal 119.11 which word were as a lampe and so a light to him even the word of God in his heart but thou would have the letter to be the word and the light and there thy designe and also deceipt is seene And in thy 5th thou asketh what that light which is in any man teacheth him more then the Scriptures teacheth him I answer that the Scriptures witnesseth with the light and the teachings thereof yet the light teacheth such as obey it when they have not the Scriptures or Printed Bible to looke on and teacheth such as obey if they be not book learned and teacheth them more then the Scriptures yet hath taught thee that art given over to lie as in thy latter part of that Querie also where thou saies thou hast seene an end of all perfection then an end thou saies of that light that these men pretend c The light that we do not pretend only but witnesse also is that light which is without end and was in the beginning with God Joh. 1.1.2,3,4,5 which light darknesse cannot comprehend therefore take notice of thy slander and lie if thou have seene an end of that light hast thou not seene an end of God who is light 1 Joh. 1,5 and also of his work When thou hast considered of it acknowledge thy rashnesse and folly for the light which is our witnesse will witnesse against thee for it and reprove thee in secret for acting and speaking so contrary to it which light is the condemnation of such as hate it which light doth reprove and forbid thee for doing evill which light the Scriptures witnesseth with as in thy 5th yet the letter is not the light as thou would therein have it and though the Scripture be profitable for doctrine for reproofe for correction for instruction in righteousnesse that the man of God may be perfect and thorowly furnished unto all good works it is through faith in Christ Jesus and so through the light Joh. 1.9 Joh. 8.12 as the first and cheife or moving cause and therefore the light is more then the letter take notice of that for the light and Spirit is the convincer and guides such as obeyeth it into all truth and sheweth things to come revealing also the deepe things of God so doth not the letter do that which is the worke of the light and Spirit of God though it declare of it and witnesse unto it Iohn 16. 1 Cor. 2.9.10 Thy sixth is whether there was not a greater light in the Lord Iesus then ever was in any man else or ever shall be and thy seventh is whether he did not declare it and make it known by his words and actions more then ever any man else could do I answer that Iesus was the true light and is according to those two Scriptures which thou hast cited John 1.9 and John 8.12 And as he is called the light of the world so did he call them that saw with his light and were in it the light of the world also as in Mat. 5.14 and for manifesting it more by actions c he said that it was the Father which was in him that wrought the works John 14.10 and he said also that what he did some should do and greater works also John 14.12 and there was great works done by others from the same light and power or working of the Father in them and for words there was such spoken after he had sent them the Holy Ghost
obeyed leadeth out of darknesse errour and deceipt into the light of life Ioh. 8.12 Ioh. 16.13 and so into the truth of the Gospel spoken of in thy last Querie and that slander of the undervaluing of the words of Christ shall stand for thy selfe c that speaks against and undervalued the inward spirituall and true light which leadeth into true happiness happinesse such as follow and obey it and so it leadeth out of darknesse errour and deceipt into the light of life though thou lier say it do not therein thy testimony is false and not true and thou art found to be a false witnesse of the light and the truth and thy testimony is denied and against testified as is required Eph. 5.11 And thou that would have the words as they are printed in the Bible there to be Spirit and life as in thy last Querie But thou shews by that that thou art ignorant of the eternall word and so of the word of life and knows not the true spirituall life that would put the letter for the life And where thou saies how can ye know that the dead shall rise and come to Judgment but by the Scriptures page 54. I answer even as they knew the things declared of in the Scriptures by that Spirit of God that revealeth the deepe things of God 1 Cor. 2.10 and also sheweth things to come as the Scripture witnesseth Joh. 16.13 That the dead shall rise and come to Judgment is one of the deepe things of God And also a thing to come But the Spirit of God revealeth and searcheth or maketh knowne the deepe things of God without the letter as the letter witnesseth which Spirit also sheweth things to come as the Scripture declareth Therefore the Spirit of God so revealing and making knowne even the deepe things of God could make knowne the day of judgment and things to come as the Scripture witnesseth but the blind like thee sees it not who stumbles at the light and knows not the eternall word not yet the worke of the Spirit of God as thy booke of slander maketh manifest Where did any true Prophet or Apostle of the Lord Jesus goe either to prophecy or preach with a printed Bible in their hand and from that say Thus saith the Lord c. And if printing had not of late beene invented what would you have preached here in England who knows not within you the eternall life and word of God Therefore they being out of the truth and false accusers they must needs be also cut of Gospel-order And in that thou hast told another lie and Thomas Pollard when thou had accused Richard Farnsworth falsly at the meeting at Harliston Hugh Read said unto thee why would thou stand charging things upon him which thou could not prove and Humphyry Beeland who had beene a teacher to the Baptised people he said to thee Thomas Pollard Instance any one particuler and prove against him which thou taxeth him withall c but thou then made no answer as to prove any one thing which thou had falsly charged upon him and accused him withall and therefore art a false accuser of him and the truth and thy lies heads of deceit and false accusations are witnessed against by some that were present at the meeting at Harliston that time by name Hugh Reed Anthony Briklay Humphey Beeland and John Smith If there want any of thy number of lies it is but for want of setting them downe for I have as many numbered up in writing out of Iohn Griffiths and thine as amounts to the number of one hundred fifty and four lies c. Which fruits may cause you to blush if you consider thereof and serve to be a shame to your profession that are attended with such a company of lies cover your faces with shame and learne to amend bring forth better fruits even such as are meete for amendment of life and make not lies your refuge as you have done for it maketh you manifest that you are not yet come into Johns doctrine and so instead of fulfilling all righteousnesse you are adding one lie to another and sin unto sin being fulfilling deceipt or filled with all unrighteousnesse c Rom. 1.28.29 THE END