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A43724 A continuation of The dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker wherein the truth of those things objected against them in the first part, are fully confirm'd : together with a further account of their perilous and pernitious errors concerning the person of Christ, His satisfaction, justification, sanctification, the ministry, and immediate motions are in this second part, cleerly and plainly represented out of the writings of some of their principal, and most approved leaders / published for the common information of such as either really are, or may be, in danger of being insnared and intangled by them by Thomas Hicks. Hicks, Thomas, 17th cent. 1673 (1673) Wing H1919; ESTC R21822 53,818 100

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This is my testimony to this man of God who hath been a blessing to the Lord in his Generation Josiah Coale his Epistle before Edw. Burroughs his Works in Folio Chr. Was this Josiah Coale a real Quaker Quak. He was so Chr. In what respect did the Almighty Power of God live and raign in him and how was he a blessing to the Lord for I must confess I do not well understand the meaning of this testimony Quak. 'T is no matter for answering such cavilling Questions Chr. Who else gives their Testimony to Edw. Burroughs and his Works Quak. These memorable Works of Edw. Burroughs printed for the good of Generations to come 1672. is brought forth for us and our Children and such as are moderate and well affected greater desires hereof could not be in any then in my own particular I having travelled both to answer and serve the truth and the desires of Friends herein Let none condemn the honest plainness and harmless simplicity of any of his first Works here inserted for many are living Witnesses that the Power and Wisdom of God did then appear and shew it self through such plainness and simplicity to the confounding of the wisdom of many that seemed high and lofty And thus dear Friends as the Salvation of our dear Brother Edw. Burroughs according to his desire whilst in the Body I recommend this Volume of his Books being therein the Truths and your Servant Ellis Hooks See the Epistle Dedicatory to the Quakers Chr. Of what use and service do you judge these Works may be to you and to your Children Quak. It may not be unnecessary for Friends and Children to read and peruse these Testimonies Informations and Vindications of Truth where they are in a way of Controversie given forth the reading whereof may be of service to them they being in the light and inspiration of the Almighty from which all Scriptures or Writings that are given forth are profitable to the man of God for his accommodation for though many of you are come to a particular satisfaction in the true Light and know so much of Christ so as to dye for him yet cannot so well dispute for him Though that be necessary and few given up and accomplished for that Service therefore there may be need for more to apply their hearts to wisdom Ellis Hooks ibid. Chr. If written Testimonies and Vindications be profitable to the Man of God for his accommodation to help him to Dispute as you plainly intimate Doth not this interfere with that grand Notion of yours which saith You must do all by the immediate motion of the power within But if the Light and Power which you and your Children have be not sufficient of it self to accomplish you for this Service of Disputation for and vindicating of that you call the Truth why then do you contend so much for its All-sufficiency me-thinks you who pretend to infallibility should be very careful to make one story agree with another and not thus to be taken in different tales to the manifest disparagement both of your selves and Opinions But is this Ellis Hooks a true Quaker Quak. Thou needst not doubt that forasmuch as be was imploy'd in that Service for the collecting and printing these Works of Edw. Burroughs and also allow'd to prefix his Epistle before it And there are others who were and are in the Ministry that hath given their Testimony to this Servant and Prophet of the Lord as thou mayst see in their Epistles before his Works Shall Dayes Moneths and Years wear out thy Name Shall not thy noble and valiant Acts which thou hast wrought through the Power of him that separated thee from the Womb live in Generations to come The Children yet unborn shall have thee in their mouths and thy Works shall testifie of thee in Generations that yet have no Being and shall account thee blessed When I think of thee I am melted into tears of sorrow because of the want that the Inheritance of the Lord hath of thee Francis Howgill As for Edw. Burroughs our dear Brother and Companion in travel suffering and consolation for the everlasting Gospels sake his Testimony lives with us He was a Preacher of Righteousness one who travell'd for the Redemption of the Creature from under the bondage of Corruption The name of this Minister of Righteousness is written in the Lambs Book of Life George Whitehead His name is chronicled in the Lambs Book of Life a righteous Plant a valiant Warrier more then a Conquerer who is dead but yet liveth amongst us and amongst us is alive George Fox Chr. Being well assured from these Testimonies that Edw. Burroughs was an approved Quaker then for the satisfaction of you and others in this Point whether I have feigned a Quaker as Whitehead suggests or made them speak otherwise then in their own proper Dialect I shall transcribe twenty questions which I find printed in the memorable Works of Edw. Burroughs together with the force and import of his Answers to each Question as you will find if you consult his Works in Folio printed 1672. wherein the Spirit and Principles of the Quakers is not a little laid open The questions were propounded as that Book informs me by one Philip Bennet 1. Q. Whether the Word was made Flesh more or oftner then once Quak. In this Quere thou are manifested what thou art where thou art and what spirit thou art of a Reprobate a Child of Darkness In this Quere thy spirit is seen and known in the eternal light thou knowest not what thou askest thy Quere comes from thy dark polluted mind Thou art a stranger to the Life without God in the World the Light condemns thee and all thy generation eternally The Word made Flesh we witness which dwells amongst us and we behold his Glory whereby we witness thee and all thy generation to be in the sorcery and witchcraft the light in thee will tell thee so to which thou must be obedient before thou canst witness the Word made Flesh onc't for thou art darkness it self when thou canst witness the Word made Flesh onc't then thou wilt know whether the Son of God was made of a Woman more or oftner then onc't But thou Dragon that would devour the Man-Child thou the Dragon with thy Angels art cast into the Earth For thy other nineteen Queres thou hast conjured them up in the Black Art out of the bottomless Pit Edw. Burrough's Works in Folio p. 29 30. Chr. Was ever Querist so rudely and uncivilly treated or was ever question thus ridiculously answer'd was this the honest plainness and harmles simplicity of this man and was this his silencing all Opposers Is there any thing in the question to provoke to such Bedlam Rhetorick to call a man Reprobate Child of Darkness a stranger to the Life without God in the World yea and to damn him eternally only for a modest and sober enquiry was this his valour for the Lamb what means
while 't is the Divine essence 't is Christ t is increated another while 't is not Christ himself but only his gift or appearance a seed a measure of Light a witness for God Now 't is the only Saviour and rule anon we hear of another that both saves it and rules it Their sayings hereabouts are so cross and thwarting that 't is almost impossible for a man to know when they speak as they think or think as they speak That every man hath a Light in him is not denyed for had the not a Liggt he were not capable of being govern'd by a rule But that this which renders him capable of walking by rule should be it self the rule is not intelligible The holy Scriptures are esteemed by them inferior to their own pamphlets yea they render them to be of no more Authority than the Fables of Esop Hence they substitute in its room their own motions and impulses and yet if you will believe them when they dissemble they will tell you they own the Scriptures Their own people know not their intrigues nor the designs they have upon them they do not use to trust as some of them have said such that is their ordinary followers with their opinions and yet to secure their people to them they will possess them with greatest prejudices imaginable against any that seriously endeavour to recover them out of their snare still perswading them to the highest veneration of the Quakers Ministry and that whatever is suggested against them tho' never so true must be looked upon as the greatest lye They hate the Light whilst they pretend to it if you discourse with them 't is not the argument but the man they will cheifly be concern'd with upon whom can they but fix any thing that is odious it shall pass both for an answer and a confutation and to fill up their wickedness they will in their solemn way and manner of profaness and blasphemy bless God that they have thus answer'd Observe them in their families the irreligious education of their Children the ordinary neglect of all Christian duties and also their common converse and what can we see in them to represent them to be what they pretend They will boast of mortification yet love their backs and bellies to excesse that what will please their betters will not content them and yet so infatuated are they as to conclude themselves to be a perfect and self-denying people The Lord in mercy vouchsafe to us in this hour of tryal wherein the Spirit of error doth so fearfully prevail that his holy truth may shine out to preserve us from these paths of the Destroyer and if it may please him to manifest and magnify his Soveraign mercy and Grace in the pardon and recovery of these deluding and deluded creatures and grant unto us such an understanding of his holy will reveal'd to us that we may discern truth from error that though Errors and Heresies do appear and shew themselves yet we may approve our selves sincere in a serious contending for and adhering to the Truth once delivered to the Saints Thomas Hicks A FARTHER ACCOUNT OF THE Dangerous Opinions OF THE QUAKERS COLLECTED Out of the Writings of several of their Principal Leaders faithfully represented in the ensuing Dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker Chr. I Have formerly detected you of several Pernicious Opinions concerning the Scriptures the Light within the Person of Christ and the Resurrection of the Dead c. which I presume by this time you have consider'd What say you thereunto Quak. I say the Plagues and Judgments of God will follow thee G. Whitehead Chr. Though your Conscience might be touch'd with the evidence of the things alledg'd against you yet it would have been your prudence rather to have dissembled your Pain then thus to vent your Passion in such furious Replies But you must not think to baffle me with such Sarcasms either confess the truth of what you are charged with or else disprove it Quak. I have in print told thee That thy Dialogue is an unchristian forgery G. Whitehead D. Plungd Title Page Chr. Wherein hast thou proved it so to be Quak. Thou hast presented the World with a Quaker of thy own forming making them to speak those impertinencies and falshoods that were never utter'd by any real Quaker therefore 't is a forgery G. W. Epistle to D. Pl. Chr. You had done well if you had produced some instances wherein I made them speak what was never utter'd by a real Quaker But if I can prove that what is spoken under that name is the language of a real Quaker then thou hast confess'd that such may be guilty of Impertinencies and Falshoods Quak. That thou canst never prove for I affirm That the Quaker there represented to the World is of thy own making Chr. I wonder that you who pretend so much to circumspection in your Words should yet be so extravagant in Print 'T is notorious the Dialogue mentions several that are and were approved Quakers viz. G. Whitehead G. Fox James Naylor Crisp Richard Hubberthrone and Ben. Furley c. If these be not or were not real Quakers then do you publickly deny it or if those things quoted of them be not true disprove them But if that cannot be deny'd nor this disproved how dare you say I have presented the World with a Quaker of my own making Quak. I say thy Dialogue is no other then unchristian forgery Chr. That obligeth thee to prove it which as yet thou hast not done Quak. Have I not instanc'd in several particulars wherein thou hast wronged us Dip. Pl. p. 16 17. Chr. Are those the onely things wherein the forgery consists Quak. What sayst thou to them Chr. I tax'd G. Whitehead For affirming the light within to be God And for saying That the speaking of the Spirit in any is of greater authority then the Scriptures and also for denying the resurrection of this Body c. Crisp for saying He knew the beginning and date of that Christ I believed in G. Fox for asserting The Soul to be part of God's Being to be without beginning and infinite Ben. Furly for saying 'T is the greatest error in the World that ever was invented and the ground of all error To say the Scriptures are a Rule to Christians G. Fox and Rich. Hubberthorne for affirming That it is dangerous for ignorant people to read the Scriptures c. G. Whitehead's silence herein is in my judgment a plain concession touching the verity of these Quotations which is a manifest giving away your Cause nevertheless if there be any thing wherein you judge your selves wrong'd let me hear it Quak. Thou sayst we account the blood of Christ no more then a common thing yea no more then the blood of a common Thief this is forgery Chr. If the meer light within and obedience to it be every way sufficient to bring every man to eternal life as you