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A70039 Apokrypta apokalypta velata quædam revelata : some certain, hidden, or vailed spiritual verities revealed : upon occasion of various very prying and critical queries concerning God, the devil, and man, as to his body, soul, and spirit, Heaven, Hell, Judgement &c : propounded to George Fox, John Perrot, Samuel Fisher : and after that (with a complaint for want of, and stricter urgency for an answer) re-propounded to Edward Burroughs : by two persons, choosing to notifie themselves to us no other way then by these two unwonted (if not self-assumed) titles, viz. Livinus Theodorus, and Sabina Neriah : which truths (as there inspired by the spirit of God) are here expired in love to the souls of men / from ... Samuel Fisher. Fisher, Samuel, 1605-1665.; Fox, George, 1624-1691.; J. P. (John Perrot), d. 1671? 1661 (1661) Wing F1047; ESTC R31513 23,491 32

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holy Prophets and Children and whatever they in all ages as moved by him so to do have declared him to be whether by word of mouth or Scripture And so whatever ye there read God is that God is really indeed and in truth viz. a Spirit Light Love that One Omnipotent All-sufficient Spiritual Substantial Living Everlasting Infinite Subsistence which hath his own being of himself and gives being life breath and All things unto All in whom we and all mankind who are his off-spring both live move and have our being Howbeit there is not in every man no not in all those that read of him there and can speak of him what they there read the true knowledge of him so or so to be for they onely truly know him to be this or that who witness him truly to be this or that to and within themselves those know him not who ere they are that prate this and that of him like Pyes and Parrets which may be taught verba nostra conari yet come not to find and feel him so to be as they say of him by feeling after him in his own Light by which he draws nigh to and is not far from every one of us by which in ommbus aliqualiter though not aequaliter in some measure though not the same measure he manifests something of himself in every Conscience and by which in and to such as love him and keep his Commandments given out in the same he manifests himself in such wise as he will not do to the World yea in such wise that they can experimentally say he is so or so by what they see concerning him and are made fully sensible of in themselves in such wise that they have the witness of it in themselves and can set to their seal That God is and that he is true good merciful faithful just righteous in taking vengeance that he is a Judge a Protector a Saviour a Redeemer and whatever else he is said to be even of a truth yea in such wise as to say with Job I know that my Redeemer liveth With Mary My Spirit rejoiceth in God my Saviour With Paul We are saved by his Grace Christ liveth in me c. Whenas whoever thinks or sayes he knows God because he can say something of him at second hand in a form of words and the same truth perhaps which he reads written of God in their Scriptures who declare no more of him than what their own eyes ears and hands do see feel and handle of him as we do and they did who wrote of old that holy Scripture and yet know him not nigher hand in that which is of himself within their own hearts even that by which 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 not onely whatsoever is known of God at all but also whatever is to be known of him or knowable at all is manifested in him Rom. 1. 19. he deceives and mistakes himself and whate're he thinks he knows of God he knoweth nothing yet of him or of ought else as he ought to know therefore saith the Wisdom of God 1 Cor. 1. 21. In the Wisdom of God The world by Wisdom knew not God And 1 John 2. 4. He that saith he knoweth God and keepeth not his Commandments is a lyar and the truth is not in him And to such wise sayers and knowers as these and such were the Scribes who were ever scraping in the Scriptures to find God and his life yet never knew him at any time nor saw his shape because they heard not his Voice nor heeded his Word in themselves Joh. 5 37. God saith Though ye say God lives yet as I live ye swear falsly And why falsly Was not that a truth that God lives Yes but not a truth truly testified unto by them any more then what is testified in foro hominum in mens Courts by such as being not eye-witnesses thereof have it onely by hear-say from others because they witnessed to it but in stoln words which they had and heard from such who knew him to live while themselves knew him not to live within themselves Whereas therefore ye Query What God really is in himself As God saith of himself I am that I am so say I Deus est id quod est God is what he is And if ye who by your asking of u● profess your selves to be yet ignorant of him and so to worship if yet ye worship him at all an unknown God as the wise Athenians did would know him in any measure as he is really in himself My Counsel to you is to stand still in his own Counsel namely his Light in your own Consciences that in that you may be led forth into his life and likeness even into the Image of his Son the Light of the world the righteous pure meek innocent gentle loving peaceable in offensive merciful compassionate tender patient Lamb of God that takes away the sin of it who is the express Image of the Father in that Light that manifests him and all things for whatever is manifest is manifested by the Light wait for his appearing in his own Spirit and Power to restore his own Image in your hearts that as he appeareth ye may appear with him in his glory which is fulness of Grace and Truth being transformed into his Image from glory to glory by the operation of his holy Spirit that as he appeareth ye may be like him and so see him as he is then shall ye know the Lord if ye thus follow on to know him whose goings forth are prepared as the morning to meet those that meet him in his Light by which he shineth into our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of his own glory in the face of Jesus Christ Finally In answer to the latter part of this your first Query I say That Light which God now is whom no such eye as you look after him with who ask counsel of man only concerning him and not of himself alone either hath seen or can see that same Light he ever was And in that Light in which he now is and dwells which is unapproachable by every evil-doer who hates the Light which is come into him to save him neither comes into it lest by it his deeds should be reproved and which he who doth truth comes to that his deeds may be made manifest to be wrought in God in that God was and did dwell from everlasting And as the outward Sun is not seen by any other natural Light save that which shines from it self in the outer world So God neither is nor can be seen by any other spiritual Light save that which shines from himself into the inner world of men's hearts And in that Light in which God doth now manifest himself in the same did he manifest himself if yet it be proper so to ask and so to answer as concerning him before Time was and before there was any Creature extant to take
And what is that honor and glory which the Kings of the Earth must bring into it And in what manner must they perform it Also how and when shall they that are saved be made inhabitants of it Answ What need ye Query this of us if either ye heeded the Light in you which manifests all things in their proper seasons to such as wait in it or if ye had wel heeded that very Scripture either out of which your Query seems to be fetcht and founded Where ye may as wel read what that City is that hath no need of the Sun to shine in it as that it hath at all no need thereof where it 's evidenced to be those Saints of God that follow the Lamb who is their Light the new Jerusalem which is above the mother of all the free-born Children of God which is as a Bride adorned for her Husband with whom the Tabernacle of the Lord is and with whom he dwels and as for the scituation of it is it not expresly said as in the Vision it was seen that it comes down from God out of heaven therefore 't is a state here on earth else also the Kings of the Nations could not be said to bring the glory of their Nations into it i. e. to serve it with their glory for it is to come to pass that the Kingdom and nation that will not serve thee saith the Lord Isa 60. 12. shall perish yea that nation shall utterly be destroyed Whose glory that they are said to bring into it or to serve it with or minister to it withal is not any of those unlawful or sinful lusts pleasures or licentious liberties wherein they glory as in their shame for as in maximâ libertate est minima licentia so it 's said That no unclean thing shall in any wise enter thereinto neither any thing that desileth or worketh abomination or maketh a lie but their gain and substance which the Lord himself saith he will consecrate to the God of the whole earth and to the service of his truth as they before in their blind minds consecrated it to the service of their Lord God the Pope and the setting up of his trashy Traditions For the Lamb who is the Light of his holy ones who are this City is worthy to receive power and riches and wisdom and strength and honour and glory and blessing and all created things for for his sake they are and were created Rev. 5. and for those that are with him on mount Syon who are called and chosen and faithful who are his Priests and Ministers non nomine tantùm tenus not in name onely as the Popes and the Worlds Idol-shepherds are but reapse indeed and in truth who as the Lord saith Isa 6. 6. shall eat the Riches of the gentiles and in their glory boast themselves improving the excellencies of the outward Creation in wiser ways and to much better uses and ends than such Drones as the Popes Divines who have devoured the good of all Lands under a meer pretence of serving Christ in the service of their own lusts and bellies And whereas ye ask When shall those that be saved be made the Inhabitants of it I answer So soon as ever they are saved from the sin which is that alone that slayes the soul and seperates it from its part and portion there For blessed are they that do his Commandments they have right to the Tree of Life and to enter in through the gates into the City without the which are the Dogs who draw back from the truth and lick up their old Vomit who for all their dreaming that they eat and drink in the day while the Lord's Visitation passeth over them shall yet wander to and fro for meat and grud ge that they can never be satisfied and at evening when they awake and see the Sun is set upon them they shall return and grin like a dog and go round about the City but never enter to have any share in it being clambered up above the Door which is the Light Query 13. What are the Chains in which the Angels who kept not their first estate are reserved under darkness unto the Judgement of the great Day And where is the place of their confinement And what is the great Day and the Judgement We pray you plainly demonstrate Answ The Chains which the Angels who kept not their first estate are reserved in are the same under which men who kept not their first estate are also reserved under darkness unto the Judgement of the great Day that is the darkness it self into which they are both gone forth from the Light which was That habitation they both left in which they were created to stand as 't is said the wicked are captivated in the cords of their own sins and snared in the works of their own hands viz. in the deceitful counsels of their own hearts in their own corruptions under the bondage of which the whole Creation groans and travels in pain together to be delivered out of which Bonds and Chains and Fetters Snares and sore Captivity there is no deliverance for men who are all to come to judgement but in Christ who opens the Prison-doors by that Spirit by which he went and preached to the Spirits which were in prison in the Dungeon of Egyptian darkness of old in the days of Noah wherein they remain reserved unto Wrath and Judgment which from the Lord must first come upon them as assuredly as ever they sinned and as unavoidably as travel on a Woman with Child which she cannot possibly escape and the place of their confinement is where-ever the said rebellions spirits are a place not of an outward local consideration for although every spirit is in loco definitivé and determined to his Hic nunc excepting God onely who cannot be so yet a spirit cannot be said to be in loco circumscriptivè And as for the Great Day and the Judgement thereof It is the Light of the Lord for the Light he called Day and the Darkness he called Night and the Judgement that the said Light layeth to the Line and to the Plummet in every Creature that hates and rebels against the Light which ministers condemnation on the Transgressor and reveals from God nothing but Vengeance Tribulation Wrath and Anguish Perplexity and Disappointment Wo Cursing and vexation of spirit on every evil spirit and on every soul of man that is found in evil doing the Eternal Judgement of which day of the Lord is over all the Oaks of Bashan and Cedars of Lebanon and pleasant Pictures and fenced Towers and high Walls and all mans glory and pomp which Hell now opens her mouth wide to receive over every one and every thing that is high and lifted up and there can be no declining the Judgement of it so but that to versifie to you back again in your own way of Latine Rime wherein ye conclude your Queries and I my Answer you must expect and know That Quod sibi quisque serit praesentis tempore Vitae Hoc sibi messis erit cum dicitur Ito Venite To all your Queries above answered you subjoin thes● two Verses Non pudor est quaeri quae nescis sivé doceri Qui SCIT Laudatur qui NESCIT vituperatur To which I return and so conclude as follows Non pudor est quaeri nec quaerere at usque teneri Quaerendo atque queri est pudor nescire doceri Qui fructu crescit SCIT quamvis plurima nescit Is quod SCIT nescit qui tantum lumine crescit Qui bene SCITque alitur SCIT ut sit gregibus Altor Qui malé non aliter quam ut se SCIRE hoc SCIAT Alter Haud qui SITque Satur facit at qui quod SCIT amatur Is sibi quod datur per quemque opus hoc operatur Qui SCIT Salvatur SIT at ut SCIT ut SCIT agatur Qui SIT laud atur qui NE SIT vituper atur Dixi. D omini ei S amuel ervus P iscator astor No shame to Ask nor be Ask't but to weary Free Answerers out with Queryings and to Query The same o're o're and o're again concerning Truths which they are ever taught yet never learning He who knows little yet bears fruit knows much No knowers know that they do know save such Such Thrive such know that they may be as Mothers Some know but to be known to know by others No knower but the doer of what 's known Is lov'd who works what 's given him as his own Who knows is sav'd this I must needs acknowledge Yet let him BE and acted be by 's knowledge Who Is what 's by him known's of worth and prais'd Who Is not so 's worth nought despis'd disprais'd S. F. What to themselves All Men Sow now be 't Good or No That must each man Reap Then When Christ shall say Come Go. FINIS Page 9. line 28. for differently read indifferently * Viz. Robert Wilson who together with my self was then and is still imprisoned in Westminster Gatehouse where and from whence also this present Answer was written and given forth 1 Thess 5. 23. * Therefore is Hell called by Christ Matth. 5. 29 30. and by Iames Iam 3 6. in Greek 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ex 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 vallis Hinnom quae alias 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Topheth dicitu ter 7 31 Isa 30 33 * Mal. 1. 4.