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A35667 Truth outweighing error, or, An ansvver to a treatise lately published by J.B. entituled, A confession of his faith and a reason of his practice, or, With who he can, and with who he cannot hold church-fellowship ... by John Denne ... J. D. (John Denne) 1673 (1673) Wing D1027; ESTC R11873 57,462 128

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Moral Precept c. Wherein know that the Word of Faith according to Paul's mind Rom. 10.7 8. is Christ And what Faith doth he commend surely not a bare Profession which consists only in words but that Faith which presently produceth obedience For so he saith Luk. 6.46 Why call ye me Lord Lord and do not the things that I say of which Baptism is one yea a great Duty to which also the Apostle bares witness 1 Joh. 2.3 He that saith he knoweth him and keepeth not his Commandments of which J. Bunyan confesseth Baptism to be one and that of great use is a lyar and the truth is not in him But perhaps John Bunyan will say He would have works attend Faith and therefore he adds our Conversation must be commended by a Moral Precept Wherein let me ask J. Bunyan or any rational Christian how this is possible in divers cases as First upon Conversion when men are presently upon the Preaching of the Word turned from darkness to light and so are received as Church-members as soon as they are Converted who before were Fornicators Murtherers Thieves and what not 1 Cor. 6.11 but upon their Conversion are received as Church-members even the same day Acts 2.41 What experience can there be of their Conversion who were Adulterers the day before If you say they are changed now let me tell you it must appear otherwise than by so short forbearance which is common with the worst of men or else they may be as bad as ever and so John Bunyan's Rule very uncertain Secondly The most Holy Conversation in reference to what John Bunyan speaks cannot demonstrate a Christian for there are Wolves in Sheeps clothing Matth. 7.15 neither is it sufficient to be the Rule the initiating Rule for Church-Communion it must be said in this case as Christ once said Matth. 5.20 Except your righteousness exceed the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees ye cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven Was not Paul exact in such a Conversation before his Conversion Phil. 3.6 and it cannot be imagined that he did degenerate afterwards and yet when Ananias was sent to tell him what he must do he delivers his Message thus Acts 22.16 Why tarriest thou arise and be baptized Again Cornelius was a devout and holy man Acts 10.1 yet when he received the Truth and the Holy Spirit also abundantly Peter commands him to be baptized vers 46. Surely if John Bunyan's Rule had been sufficient John the Baptist might then upon good grounds have forbad the Baptism of Christ our Saviour who fulfilled all those Moral Precepts needed not have said Thus it behooveth us concerning Baptism to fulfill all Righteousness Wherefore although I must extol an holy Conversation in its due place wherein I wish that as the Apostle saith 2 Tim. 2.19 All that name the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ may depart from all iniquity yet let me tell you The Apostle never urged any part of the moral Law as the Rule of Communion under the Gospel and therefore John Bunyan is strangely mistaken to advise us to make use of the Ten Commandments pag 79. to judge of the fitness of persons by wherein if we have respect but to the 4th which enjoyns the Sabbath so exactly and upon such a penalty I cannot wonder that he should conceit Christian-tenderness would not be exceeded by such strictness whenas Christians are dehorted from judging one another therein Col. 2.16 And truly I wonder more that a wise man should alleage that instance of Paul 2 Cor. 7.2 as a Rule for Church-Communion when as he knows it was spoken to such as were begotten to the Faith through Paul's Ministry and it is then strange that he should offer that as a Rule for his reception amongst them when that in truth he speaks not at all in reference to Church-Communion but in a holy boasting of his own behaviour and the rest of the Apostles for the ornament of the Gospel Which notwithstanding John Bunyan pag. 80. fraudulently proceeds to defame the holy Ordinance of Baptism urging that it is said Rom. 14.18 The Kingdom of God or our service to Christ saith he consists not in meats and drinks but in righteousness peace and joy in the holy Ghost and he that in these things serveth Christ is accepted of God and approved of men which he afterwards tells you pag. 81. is meant of the Law given upon Sinai c. Answ John Bunyan saith pag. 45. That he believes that Jesus Christ by the Word of the Scriptures will judge all men at the day of Doom But sure if in his heart he thought so he would be afraid of a sharp censure if not the addition of many plagues for adding to the words of God and setting his post by the Lord's which here he doth in telling you That Paul saith Our service to Christ consists not in meats or drinks c. when that it is the Kingdom of God he speaks of which in this place I never read was understood of our service to Christ But if so what doth this respect Baptism The Apostle speaks only of meats and drinks which you may perceive by his words the Romans which J. B. confesseth were baptized did differ about which things also Paul where he exalts Baptism doth speak against wherefore what all this is to the matter in hand let a wise man judge except to shew John Bunyan's singularity which also appears in his Explication of Righteousness Peace and Joy in the holy Ghost which with many fair glosses he would have you to believe to be the moral Law given upon Sinai which notwithstanding what he saith appears not only an addition but even such a one as is inconsistent with the Scripture For First Righteousness Paul tells you comes not by the Law viz. the Law given upon Sinai Gal. 2.21 Secondly Peace cannot come by it because it cannot give life Gal. 3.21 neither joy for it could never make the comers thereunto perfect and what joy or peace in such an Estate there can be or in such a Law I know not But in truth the righteousness peace and joy in the Holy Ghost which the Apostle speaks of is none other but that which Christians are made partakers of in Christ Jesus without the works of the Law and therefore to say we must do this Righteousness is to derogate the honour of Christ and he that in the fruition thereof serveth Christ according to his appointments of which Baptism is confessed to be one of great use is accepted of God and approved of men without looking back to Sinai which J. Bunyan falsly calls pag. 81. a perfect Law contrary to the Scriptures and the holy men of old who call it weak and unprofitable Heb. 7.18 that which could not give life Gal. 3.21 or righteousness Gal. 2.21 nor make any of the comers thereunto perfect Heb. 7.19 But stay saith John Bunyan pag. 81. although this of old was declared thereof now