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A52018 Roman Catholicks uncertain whether there be any true priests or sacraments in the church of Rome evinced by an argument urg'd and maintain'd (upon their own principles) against Mr. Edward Goodall of Prescot in Lancashire / by Thomas Marsden ... Marsden, Thomas. 1688 (1688) Wing M725; ESTC R726 93,249 146

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by_o grace_n in_o the_o heart_n of_o man_n be_v mean_v either_o in_o the_o heart_n of_o man_n consider_v determinatè_fw-la in_o particular_a or_o in_o the_o heart_n of_o man_n consider_v indeterminatè_fw-fr vel_fw-la in_o confuso_fw-la in_o general_a general_a 9_o if_o when_o you_o say_v true_a grace_n in_o the_o heart_n be_v a_o condition_n which_o no_o man_n live_v know_v etc._n etc._n you_o mean_v it_o of_o man_n in_o particular_a i_o will_v free_o grant_v your_o proposition_n to_o be_v true_a for_o no_o man_n have_v full_a certainty_n that_o another_o have_v true_a grace_n in_o his_o heart_n god_n have_v reserve_v that_o prerogative_n to_o himself_o who_o be_v the_o only_a searcher_n of_o the_o heart_n 17.10_o heart_n jer._n 17.10_o 17.10_o 10._o but_o then_o i_o add_v my_o grant_v this_o bring_v no_o disadvantage_n at_o all_o upon_o we_o the_o knowledge_n of_o our_o have_v the_o true_a mean_n of_o grace_n with_o their_o effect_n as_o god_n holy_a word_n and_o sacrament_n and_o person_n due_o authorize_v to_o administer_v they_o the_o knowledge_n hereof_o i_o say_v be_v not_o any_o whit_n obstruct_v or_o cloud_v by_o our_o ignorance_n of_o another_o man_n grace_n inasmuch_o as_o a_o graceless_a man_n may_v be_v a_o true_a minister_n of_o they_o and_o the_o efficacy_n of_o divine_a ordinance_n depend_v upon_o the_o merciful_a operation_n of_o their_o institutor_n and_o not_o on_o the_o grace_n of_o those_o that_o administer_v they_o whereas_o on_o the_o other_o side_n your_o ignorance_n of_o the_o intention_n of_o your_o minister_n in_o particular_a render_v you_o uncertain_a whether_o you_o have_v the_o true_a mean_n of_o grace_n and_o consequent_o the_o benefit_n god_n be_v ordinary_o wont_a to_o confer_v by_o they_o as_o have_v above_o be_v show_v which_o amount_v to_o a_o vast_a difference_n difference_n 11._o but_o if_o you_o mean_v it_o of_o grace_n in_o the_o heart_n of_o man_n take_v in_o general_a which_o acception_n alone_o your_o instance_n seem_v to_o respect_n so_o that_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o proposition_n be_v this_o true_a grace_n in_o the_o heart_n of_o some_o or_o other_o some_o where_o or_o other_o be_v a_o condition_n which_o no_o man_n live_v know_v etc._n etc._n etc._n 12._o ay_o without_o more_o ado_n deny_v your_o major_n as_o utter_o false_a in_o this_o sense_n and_o so_o may_v either_o dismiss_v you_o re_fw-mi infecta_fw-la or_o put_v you_o to_o the_o trouble_n of_o make_v another_o syllogism_n before_o i_o need_v to_o assign_v the_o manner_n of_o knowledge_n whereby_o we_o know_v grace_n to_o be_v in_o some_o or_o other_o but_o i_o will_v be_v good_a nature_a and_o supply_v your_o defect_n you_o shall_v then_o have_v go_v on_o to_o urge_v to_o this_o purpose_n if_o true_a grace_n in_o the_o heart_n be_v a_o condition_n which_o any_o man_n live_v know_v whether_o it_o be_v perform_v in_o order_n to_o salvation_n than_o he_o know_v it_o either_o by_o some_o principle_n evident_o ground_v on_o divine_a revelation_n or_o some_o other_o way_n but_o he_o know_v it_o neither_o by_o any_o principle_n evident_o ground_v upon_o divine_a revelation_n nor_o any_o other_o way_n ergo_fw-la grace_n in_o the_o heart_n be_v a_o condition_n which_o no_o man_n live_v know_v whether_o it_o be_v perform_v in_o order_n to_o salvation_n salvation_n 13._o now_o sir_n and_o not_o till_o now_o be_o i_o oblige_v to_o assign_v the_o way_n by_o which_o true_a grace_n may_v be_v know_v to_o be_v in_o some_o or_o other_o though_o we_o know_v not_o who_o upon_o my_o denial_n of_o the_o minor_a when_o you_o be_v please_v to_o say_v ad_fw-la part_n i_o must_v tell_v which_o way_n i_o know_v it_o or_o give_v up_o my_o cause_n cause_n 14._o well_o without_o the_o formality_n of_o your_o distinction_n i_o say_v this_o may_v be_v know_v by_o a_o knowledge_n ground_v immediate_o on_o divine_a revelation_n the_o whole_a of_o this_o matter_n appear_v in_o scripture_n 1._o when_o our_o b._n saviour_n promise_v that_o the_o gate_n of_o hell_n shall_v not_o prevail_v against_o his_o church_n 16.18_o church_n matt._n 16.18_o he_o say_v in_o effect_n that_o in_o despite_n of_o man_n and_o devil_n he_o will_v at_o all_o time_n even_o to_o the_o world_n end_n maintain_v some_o in_o his_o true_a faith_n and_o worship_n and_o also_o save_v they_o at_o last_o 2._o he_o determine_v true_a grace_n or_o purity_n of_o heart_n to_o be_v necessary_a in_o order_n to_o the_o salvation_n of_o such_o bless_a be_v the_o pure_a in_o heart_n for_o they_o shall_v see_v god_n 5.8_o god_n mat._n 5.8_o which_o word_n by_o true_a and_o unquestionable_a implication_n exclude_v all_o impure_a person_n from_o salvation_n but_o in_o many_o text_n such_o be_v formal_o exclude_v from_o it_o without_o holiness_n no_o man_n shall_v see_v the_o lord_n 12.14_o lord_n heb_fw-mi 12.14_o 3._o his_o promise_n