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A16795	The reasons vvhich Doctour Hill hath brought, for the vpholding of papistry, which is falselie termed the Catholike religion: vnmasked and shewed to be very weake, and vpon examination most insufficient for that purpose: by George Abbot ... The first part.	Abbot, George, 1562-1633.	1604 (1604)	STC 37; ESTC S100516	387,944	452

time doe depend vpon him 12 And that it may be seene what reason we haue of this our assertioÌ„ we first shew that the estate of the faithful was frequently so before the coÌ„ming of Christ. For when it lay as hid in some few persons within the single families of the old Patriarkes before and after the flowd what great boast could there be made of it Nay when the Common-wealth of the Iews was much setled into what straights was it brought when David complained c Psal. 12. 1. Helpe Lord for there is not a godly man lest for the faithfull are failed from among the children of men this being spoken as it is most probable in the daies of Saul after the death of Samuel and the d 1. Sam. 22. 18. slaughter of the Priests How was it even in Iudah and HierusaleÌ„ when Esay cryed out that the e Isai. 1. 5. 6. whole head is sicke and the whole heart is heavy from the soale of the foote vnto the head there is nothing whole therin the estate of the Church being then most miserable and all depraved not only in manners but in religion Idolatry beeing plentifull as is manifest by the words in the same vision f vers 29. for they shall be confounded for the Okes which yee haue desired and yee shall be ashamed of the gardens which yee haue chosen which intendeth the trees and pleasant places where they vsed their superstitions Call to minde the daies of leremy when he said g Ier. 5. 1. Runne to fro by the streetes of Hierusalem and beholde now and know and inquire in the open places therof if yee can finde a man or if there be any that executeth iudgement and seeketh the truth and I will spare it And those of Ezechiel testifying in this sort I h Ezech 22. 30. sought for a man among them that should make vp the hedge and stande in the gappe before mee for the land that I should not destroy it but I found none These things were said of Iudah and Hierusalem where alone at that time was that Church which was the Israelites for their grievous sinnes being long before caryed away into captivitie You may adde to this if you wil the complaint of Micah i Micah 7. 1 We is me for I am as the Somer gatherings and as the grapes of the vintage there is no cluster to ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ my soule desired the first ripe fruites The good man is perished out of the earth and there is none righteous among men they all lie in waite for blond every man â—â€¦teth his brother with a net If the Priests people had not almost generally gone astray and the whole face of the visible Church had not seemed to be defaced would these Prophets thus haue particularized that one godly man was not left that one was not to bee founde who had not declined from truth 13 We doubt not but in those times the Lord had many faithfull ones in secret as he had seaven thousand in Israell when k 1. King 19. 18. Rom 11 4. Elias lived of whom neither the enemies of the truth nor scant that Prophet did take any notice The l Ezech. 9. 4 Apoc. 7 3. marke in the foreheade is sometime knowne to fewe but onely to him who imprinted it there yet this is a good holde for the Elect m 2. Tim. 2. 19. The Lordknovveth who are his But vpoÌ„ what might those who were Gods secret chosen out wardly build when diverse times the Princes and people had corrupted their waies and the Temple it selfe was polluted and made a sinke of Idolatry For wee find that things stood vpoÌ„ those termes in the daies of Manasse vvhen in the house of the Lord even that house whereof the Lord had saide n 2. Reg. 21. 4. 5. In Hierusalem will I put my name he built profane altars and in the two courtes of the house of the Lord he built altars for all the hoste of Heaven Iudge where in those daies was the glory of the visible church or where it was a pretty while before that wheÌ„ the Priest o 2. Reg. 16 11. Vriah was as ready to set vp in the teÌ„ple an altar after the fashioÌ„ of that which was in Damascus as the King Ahaz was ready to coÌ„maÌ„d it And then the Prince Priests coÌ„spiring there was scaÌ„t any kind of grosse Idolatry which was not pleÌ„tifully coÌ„mitted Ahaz himselfe making p Vers. 3. his son to goe through the fire after the abominations of the HeatheÌ„ And least it should be thought that the people at least did amend somewhat which was amisse in the very next Chapter it is witnessed in generall q 2 Reg. 17. 19. Yet Iudah kept not the coÌ„mandements of the Lord their God but walked according to the fashion of Israell which they vsed And by most probability this outrage vnder r Isa. 1. 1. Ahaz was the tune against which Esay so inveighed in the visioÌ„ before remembred These things are so plaine that the greatest pillars of the Papacy caÌ„not deny theÌ„ therfore they are forced to another shift as the Rhemists wheÌ„ they say s In Rom. 11. 4. that there is a great differeÌ„ce between the Christian Church the Iewes ours resting vpoÌ„ better promises then theâ—â€¦s which is a very poore evaâ—â€¦ion in as much as every Divine may knowe that there bee as large and many promises that the Church of the Iewes should last vntill Christs appearance in the flesh as there be that the CoÌ„gregatioÌ„ of Gods Saints shal coÌ„tinue among the GeÌ„tiles vntil the day of IudgmeÌ„t And saving only for the time of the Babylonish captivity there was one set externall place of Gods emineÌ„t service that is the TeÌ„ple at IerusaleÌ„ supported with such words s Psal. 132. This is my rest for ever heere will I dwell c. t 2. Chr. 33. 4. In IerusaleÌ„ shal my â—â€¦me be for ever she like wherof throughout al the coÌ„tinuance of the new TestameÌ„t is not warrantable out of the word for any one place whatsoever No it caÌ„not so much as superficially be maintained out of the Scripture that Rome it selfe hath any such promise but rather out of the RevelatioÌ„ of S t. Iohn there are many substaÌ„tial matters which make to the contrary 14. But because by the stroÌ„g shot of truth they be beateÌ„ froÌ„ the bulwarke of the Iewish Synagogue fly to the next hold of the later TestameÌ„t let vs follow theÌ„ thither WheÌ„ our Saviour Christ was borne for the most part afterward till hee was baptized where shal we coÌ„ceive was the visible Church The Scribes and Pharisees possessed al the shew they were no better theÌ„ u Mat. 23. 24 blind guides of the blind The x 2. Mach 4. 8. 24. c. 11. 3. Ioseph de bel Iud 4. 5 lib. 5. 9. Priest-hood was long before and after bought sold in

never is nor caÌ„ be extinguished but hath a continual being Vnto which it may be added that since faith doth much coÌ„sist d Heb. 11. 1. of things which are not seene we beleeve the holy Catholike Church as an Article of our faith it may follow that it need not ever be eminently visible and apparantly sensible vnto vs. 17 For the better exemplificatioÌ„ of this verity it may be remeÌ„bred what havocke was made by the heathen Romane Emperours their Deputies against the flock of Christ in the ten first persecutions That in the Roman dominion there was scant any to be heard of who professed Christianity but hee was soone cut of by the sword or otherwise Did they in those times suffer any patent visibility of true profeslours or when they once knewe where they were did they not forthwith labour to extirpate theÌ„ But in the daies of CoÌ„staÌ„tius wheÌ„ the ArriaÌ„ Heresy had once gotteÌ„ the head where in the world did there appeare any seÌ„sible coÌ„gregatioÌ„ maintaining the Orthodoxe belief Hieromes testimony of those daies was e Adversus Luciâ—â€¦rianos The whole vvorld did sigh wondred that it selfe was Arrian The words are but fewe but they are to the purpose So said Gregorius Presbiter writing the life of Gregory Nazianzen The secte of the ArriaÌ„s had almost possessed al the coastes of the world the power impiety of the Emperour ministring boldnes vnto it The words of ConstaÌ„tius himselfe in f Theodor. Hist. Eccles. lib. 2. 16. Theodoret do give testimony vnto this neither doth Liberius the Roman Bishop say ought to the coÌ„trary The speeches of the Arrian Emperour against him Athanasius are these The whole vvorld doth thinke that this is well The whole world hath giveÌ„ senteÌ„ce of his impiety Thou alone dost embrace the frieÌ„dship of that wicked man And a litle before that Doth so great a part of the world reside in thee Liberius that thou alone dost dare to come in aide to that wicked maÌ„ disturb the peace of the vniversal world Whervnto Liberius did not take exceptioÌ„ saying that the visible Church stood for him Athanasius but rather giveth another reason to make good his being alone Be it that I am alone NotwithstaÌ„ding for that the cause of the faith is not the worse For a great while agone there were three only fouÌ„d who would resist the Kings coÌ„mandemeÌ„t Heere the Church for any external shew was low brought for if any body held it vp it was Athanasius who theÌ„ plaied least in sight durst not appeare For this Liberius who did for a time second him did afterward shrinke He went at first into banishmeÌ„t in defence of the truth but after that he was so sollicited laid at by g Hieron in Catalog script Eccles. Fortunatianus that he releÌ„ted coÌ„descended to subscribe to the Arrian heresy as Hierome witnesseth who lived in that age was longe coÌ„versant in Rome therfore could better report what was the issue of Liberius his coÌ„staÌ„cy theÌ„ some other who do relate it otherwise What can be said for him h De Pontifice Romano 4. 9. Bellarmine hath but yet enforced by the evident testimony of Athanasius Hilary Hierome he coÌ„fesseth so much as I have heere set downe but cover it he would that he only consented to the externall acte of subscribing but remained in hart Orthodoxe Why should it then be a marveilâ—â€¦ if in processe of time Antichrist growing to greater strength the Church should be in covert It is no more then often times fell out vnder the Iewish Synagogue and hath bin exemplified to have beene since among the Christians was so evidently foretolde before In so much that by the example of the i Apoc. 12. 6. woman it cannot be the true Church vnlesse it should be hidde in the wildernes Which while our Popish teachers deny to agree to their Romish Church but professe that it hath ever bin in sight they theÌ„selves do by a coÌ„sequeÌ„t proclaime that they are not the pure vndefiled flying womaÌ„ but another painted harlot struÌ„pet The true Church is for a time out of sight in the wildernes but so say they was their Church never and therefore will they nill they their Church is not the true Church 18 And heere to the end that the slauÌ„derous caluÌ„niatioÌ„ of our Adversaries may the more bee manifested to all those who will not wilfully close their eies against truth I wil a little shewe the vanity and yet maliciousneâ—â€¦ of their obiectioÌ„ wheÌ„ they say that there was k Campian Ration 10. Qâ—â€¦nti Evang pro fessores never any of our faith before the daies of Luther who in the yeere 1517. began for hiâ—â€¦ part to display the kingdoÌ„ of Antichrist Where I pray the Reader to coÌ„sider that the most paâ—â€¦t of those whoÌ„ I shal â—â€¦e are Popish writers no way partially flected toward vs. We say theÌ„ that M. Luther was not the first brocher of those pointes which he taught against Papistry but as he did originally deduce theÌ„ froÌ„ the Scriptures out of the workes of the ancient Fathers so he did derive theÌ„ also hereditarily froÌ„ other who immediatly before him had taught the same doctrine left it both in bookes the harts of meÌ„ recoÌ„meÌ„ded vnto him As principal parties herein I name Iohn Hus Hierome of Prage al such as were their scholers in or about Bohemia who before Luthers time oppugned the beliefe of the Church of Rome and their professioÌ„ was not extinguished vntil his dates howsoever it before had bin mainly assaulted If we could learn this no where els yet FrauÌ„cis Guicciardine an ItaliaÌ„ FloreÌ„tine Historiographer would informe vs of it who l Histor. l. 13. writing of the yeere 1520 saith plainly that Luther did set abroad the Heresies as he tearmeth theÌ„ of the BohemiaÌ„s he nameth there Hus Hierome as former divulgers of the same And Petrus m In vita Wenceslai Messias a Spanyard therin agreeth with him who meÌ„tioning the opinioÌ„s of Hus the Bohemians saith they were the seed of those errors which were afterward in Germany alluding to the doctrin of Luther There is no maÌ„ whose testimony in this behalfe may be of more worth theÌ„ Iohannes Cochleus first because hee wrote a large story n Historia Chochleâ—â€¦ de Hassitâ—â€¦s of purpose coÌ„cerning the Hassites and therefore by his long search reading writing in that argument may bee presumed to knowe as much as any Secondly because it may bee vvell imagined that hee woulde faine nothing to doe Luther good in as much as hee also wrotâ—â€¦ a o Histor de actis script M. Lutheri volume purposely against that worthy servaÌ„t of God inteÌ„ding to rippe vp his whole life froÌ„ yeere to yeere to censure all his workes Yet this enimy of his in the story of the Hussites doth pleÌ„tifully satisfie vs about the

meaning that of Saint Austen may be The ChristiaÌ„ faith i De moribus Eccles. Cathol lib. 1. 18. is not any where but in the Catholike discipline or instruction vnto which sence vse ordinary custome hath now brought the word Even so they are most farre from it For while they strive about the name they have lost the thing they keepe the shel but have parted with the kernel while they lay hould on the Candle-sticke some other is runne away with the light Their case is like that of the kings souldiours of k Socrat. l. 7. 20. Persia who keeping the name of ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ or Immortales were wel proved to be otherwise wheÌ„ by the Roman armies they were distressed slaine shewed to be mortal Let theÌ„ lay aside these verbal titulary gloses make plaine out of the Scripture that they maintaine the same faith which Christ and his Apostles taught then they do somewhat But they are fallen from it yea from the sound profession which was in the daies of the Fathers Doctors of the Primitive Church therfore that which was true of their times is not communicable now to Popery No not that of Saint Austen whervpon they have a maine desire to fasteÌ„ The l De vera Religione cap 7. Christian ReligioÌ„ is to be held by vs the coÌ„munion of that Church which is Catholike and is named Catholike not onely of her owne friends but also of all her enimies For wil or nil the very Heretikes favourers of schismes when they speake not with their owne but with strangers they cal the Catholik church nothing els but the Catholike church For they cannot be vnderstood vnlesse they distinguish her by that name wherby she is called of al the world This was spoken of the whole nuÌ„ber of Christians in the world which embraced the right faith not of the Romane Church onely And those who nowe are devoted vnto Rome doe as much differ from the puritie and integrity of their olde predecessours as Babylon doth differ from Sion Then in oppositioÌ„ to Heretikes which were but in corners and fewe places the faith which either Rome or any right Christian citty helde might be called Catholike but nowe that which the Pope maintaineth may it selfe bee reckoned no better then Hereticall perfidiousnes which the farther it is spred the worse it is with Gods flocke 9 To set them therfore straight by bringing theÌ„ from such vizards painted shewes to the matter it is not any name wherevnto men are directed for finding out the truth but m Ioh. 5. 39. Search the Scriptures saith Christ for in them you thinke to have eternall life and they are they which testifie of mee And as they testifie of Christ so do they also of his Spouse as we find in diverse of the ancient Fathers Cyprian saith n De Lapsis Hee is not ioyned to the Church vvho is separated froÌ„ the Gospell He who beareth the name of Origene on the Canticles o Homil. 3. A good purpose and the beleeving of right opinions doth make a soul to be in the house of the Church But S t. Chrysostome or the Auctor of the Imperfect worke vpon S t. Matthew doth yet speake more plainely p Homil. 49. He who will know what is or which is the true Church of Christ wheÌ„ce should he know it but only by the Scriptures The Lord therfore knowing that in the last daies there vvould bee so great confusion of things doth therfore command that the Christians which are in Christianity being willing to receive the firmenes of a true faith should flie to no other thing but to the Scriptures Otherwise if they looke to other things they shall be scandalized and perish not vnderstanding vvhich is the true Church By which our Romanists may see that it is not a naked name nor any other matter of all that vncertaine rabble which the writer of this Pamphlet heereafter subioyneth that can bee our direction which is the Church or where is the truth but only the holy Scriptures And as Chrysostome hath q Homil. 33. in Act. If any agree to theÌ„ he is a Christian if any fight against them hee is farre from this rule The word of the Lord is the sure foundation he who buildeth on any thing besides this setteth his house but vpon the r Mat. 7. 26. sand and while he thinketh that he standeth for the Faith and for the Church he is enemie to both as those were to whom Leo sometimes Bishop of Rome wrote thus s Leo Epist. 83 ad Episcopos Palestinos you thinke that you deale for the faith and you goe against the faith You are armed in the name of the Church and you fight aganist the Church Let him who will farther be satisfied in this point reade what a learned man hath written vpon this Argument that s Ioh. Rainold Thes. 5. The Church of Rome is neither the Catholiks Church nor a sound member of the Catholike Church and if he bee not obdurate hee shall never neede to doubt farther in that behalfe t In praefat De triplici hominis officio UUeston a most vaine-glorious but shalowe fellow at Doway hath vaunted that if he had leysure he would beate that servant of God to dust I feare he wil never have leysure to grapple with him vnlesse it be heere and there to skulke out at some hole or corner and runne backe againe I meane heere and there snatch a saying of his falsely alleaged vnconscionably perverted as already he hath done But if hee bee the man that hee pretendeth to bee and I may request any thing of him let him first begin directly to answere the Thesis before named and we shall by his cariage therein iudge what is his true strength I woulde have VVeston fall about this worke for it is of too high a pitch for my good Doctour Hill THE THIRD REASON Vnitie and Consent T. HILL THe Catholike Romane Religion being received by so many Nations in Africa Asia Europa and in this last age in both the Indies hath notwithstanding such variety of wits such diversitie of maÌ„ners such multitude of toÌ„gues laÌ„guages such distaÌ„ce of places such nuÌ„bers of matters to be beleeved yet ever kept Vnity Concord in such peaceable consonaÌ„t maÌ„ner as never any one in EnglaÌ„dor IrelaÌ„d which are the vttermost parte of the VVest-world dissented or disagreed in anie point of doctrine coÌ„cerning faith froÌ„ him which lived in the vtmost partes of the East But whosoever they be or in what place or Region soever they remaine in al the world if they be Catholikes or Papists if you wil cal theÌ„ so they all have one Faith one Beleefe one Service one number of Sacraments one Obedience one Iudgement in all with other like points of Vnion and Vnity which maketh a geuer all Vniformity also in the peace

will take paines to reade the Lives of the Saints as they are set downe by the foreinamed Authours Such trimme men are your miracle-workers and therefore your miracles must needes also be of an excellent sute T. HILL AND therefore I say vnto you out of Saint Austen I am bound and tyed in the Catholike Church by the band chaine August devtil cred c. ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ l coÌ„t Epâ—â€¦sund cap. 4 of miracles And I am bolde considering and most stedfastly beleeuing these insinite glorious miracles of all times ages in the Catholike Romane Church to crye out to Almighty God with Richard de S. Victore lib. de trin cap. 2. Lord if it be not true which we beleive thou hast deceived vs for these have bin confirmed in vs by such signes wonders as could not be wrought but by thee But on the contrarie parte never any Protestant could worke any miracle at all but assâ—â€¦ying to make some shew thereof to make their Doctrine the more probable to their followers felte the iust revengement of God who turned all to their shame confusion as he did by Simon Magus by Cyrola the Patriarke of the Arrians as witnesseth Grego Turon Egesippus lib. 3 de excid hieroâ—â€¦ol cap. 2 lib. 2. hist. Fran. cap. 3. by the Donatists Optatus lib. 2. contr Parmen ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ our dates by Luther endevouring to dispossesse a wench and by Calvin going about to delude his disciples as you may read in Hierom Bolsec in vit Calvin cap. 13. And therfore they are most foolish Vid Staph in abs relp and miserably inconsiderate who beleeve these newe fellowes not being able to quicken a flea and leave the doctrine of the Catholike Church confirmed with innumerable miracles G. ABBOT 9 IN the texte you cite one saying out of Saint Austen but in the margent you quote two The ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ former place doth only mention that the truth of Christian religion De vtilitat credend cap. 17. is coÌ„firmed by miracles But you therin abuse your Reader notably For he speaketh of miracles past that in Christs time and not of any which were to come or like to coÌ„tinue in the church The words to which hee alludeth are more plaine in the chapter next before going where in a larger sort he haÌ„dleth that argumeÌ„t Such x Cap 16 things were doÌ„e at that time wherin God in a trâ—â€¦ maÌ„ did appeere as much as was sufficient for men The sicke were healed the lepers vvere cleansed going was restored to the lame sight to the blind hearing to the deafe And there is speech of no other matter And to no other purpose is the second place where the words are not which you cite His saying is thus that there bee diverse thinges which doe keepe him in the bosome of the Church y Contr. Ep. fundament cap 4 The consent of people and nations doth holde mee there doth hold me an authority which was begon with miracles nourished by hope euer â—â€¦ased by charity confirmed by antiquity Doth this make for you as you thinke or against you The authority of the Church was begon with miracles It is true meaning of the time of Christ and his Apostles but he doth not saye it was continued and must be continued vnto the worldes end much lesse doth he affirme that it must be as a necessary argumeÌ„t of truth So you haue gained much by these two places even as you haue done by the whole ranke of your woÌ„ders wherof such as appertaine to you that is the late LegeÌ„dary inventioÌ„s are many indeed but not infinite are so far from being glorious that they are plainely coÌ„temptible ridiculous fit for your vn-Catholike Romane struÌ„pet whose throne must be supported with lies and variety of falshoods In being therfore â—â€¦old you may be more bold theÌ„ you haue thanke for your labour but do not saye that you most stedfastly beleeve for you bestow too good a word vpon your selfe In such stuffe as this is z Palingen in Geminis Quifacilis credit facilis quoque fallitur He who lightly beleeveth is easily deceived You are strongly conceited you haue a boisteous imagination froÌ„ which the sooner you fly the safer you wil stand The a De Trin. lib. 1 cap. 2 words of Richard de S. Victore are not spoken of your fabulous and instly questionable wonders but of such signes as gaue evidence to the first preaching of the Gospell were wrought by Christ and his disciples which were so true so strange as that they could be wrought by none but by the power of God and therefore we may beleeve the doctrine both of the Trinity and other matters which they confirmed and not be deceived at all Yet this addeth no credit to your forgeries illusions neither convinceth that now we are to depeÌ„d on miracles That we do not take on vs to be able to work any we do most willingly acknowledg We know that those daies are past although God do not so restraine himselfe but that the praiers of his servants interceding he sometimes suffereth strange things to be done But we caÌ„not presume vpoÌ„ it since we haue no warrant for it out of the word of God And who is there I pray you in the whole Hierarchy of your Papacy who dare professedly assume that gifte vnto him Dareth your Pope the ministerial head of al your holines dare your Cardinals your Bishops your Friers your Priestes Long agone the b Decretal lib. 5. tit 35. cap. 3. Templars in Livonia did enforce the poore people to this that if any of theÌ„ were accused of any crime to purge themselues they shold go bare-footed over certaine redde hot irons if they were burnt at all then they were helde for guilty But some newly coÌ„verted to the faith coÌ„plained of this to the Pope Honorius the 3. he inhibited that any more such triall should be made calling it a thing forbidden a greevance that wherin God was tempted The like may be said of any who presuÌ„ptuously should professe to atteÌ„pt any strange miraculous matter it is but a tempting of God even by the iudgmeÌ„t of c Isa 7 12. Ahaz nowe long agone who beeing but an evil man yet was so faire tightly instructed Yet that good hypocrite your S. Dominicke going to dispute against the d Ioh. Bâ—â€¦isseul contr Spond Albingenses preteÌ„ding that he would proue theÌ„ heretikes did bid theÌ„ write their reasons cast theÌ„ in the fire if saith he they will not burne then we wil beleeue you As if the holy Bible were not truth if beeing cast into the flame it would burne to ashes You can tell vs tales of your men doing else-where great wonders but you should doe well to sende vs some of your miracle-mongers hither that we may iudge of their iugling You mutter much of an holy annointed Priest that he by exorcizing can cast out Devils but we wonder that these

true divers were wrought with legerdemain very many were most ridiculous no better with wise folks theÌ„ things to make sport albeit they were admired by the simple superstitious That worthy man Ludovicus Vives saw this wel inough wheÌ„ he spake so feelingly of this case x ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ Lib â—â€¦de verita sidei They saith he are the more execrable yea like the Devil who for gaine sake do faine miracles in the Churches of our Saints for wheÌ„ the vanity of theirs is laid open they make meÌ„ doubt of true miracles Therfore miracles must haue these marks the truth of the thing it selfe the quality of their beeing the maÌ„ner of the actioÌ„ the cause efficient the cause moving before hand the ende And afterwarde The avarice of some persons hath devised false loger-demaines of miracles by the vvhich beeing deprehended and made manifest such as are most true are made vncertaine which is a pestilent matter in religion and they are to bee execrated who doe devise them and deserve more punishment then such as counterfeit mony or doe mingle poison amonge these thinges vvhich are made for receites against poison You may heere once againe call to mind the Proclamation of Bruxelles before spoken of If the miracles so extolled in the Romish Church were examined after the notes marks heere proposed by Vives how poore how conteÌ„ptible how scornful would they be Let vs see some few examples and those not tosled vp and downe with rumours but beleeved and received as commended vnto vs by authours of good note y Hoveden part 2. In or neere Sicilia the fire did breake out of the mountaine Gibel which is a matter long agone written coÌ„cerning the hill Aetna The people of the countrey being frighted at it doe flye to the tombe of S. Agatha taking her veile froÌ„ thence do with it so beate back the fire into the sea that it dried vp the sea almost for the spice of a mile did halfe scorch or burne the fishes so that yet such fishes do remaine halfe broiled and are called S. Agathas fishes You must thinke that it is some commodity to the countrey in saving them fewel who eate of the fishes in as much as they are halfe broiled to their handes You must not aske whether if all the water vvere so gone that the fishe lying drye vvas burnte the people came and tosled them forvvard into the sea or else they laye there till the tyde came vp againe that they lived so longe after Nor whether there be yet any of the same fishe remaining for were it not time that they were spent And yet as men say fish is long lived But howsoever you must not sift a miracle too far as it is no good manners too much to examine a frieÌ„ds tale z Ibidem The same Authour hath another Narration coÌ„cerning Thomas Becket that he never draÌ„ke any thing but water on a time being at boorde with Pope Alexander the Pope would needs tast of his cup. There least the sanctity abstemiousnes of the holy maÌ„ should be discovered God so provided that Alexander could finde nothing but wine but when Becket came to pledge him in the same cup it was turned backe againe into water You must beleeve that although the Pope found it to be wine yet Thomas Becket drunke nothing but water And because it shold be known that he was as miraculous in his meate as he was in his drinke a Quod. lib. 8 7. one of our Secular Priestes in great earnest telleth vs that on a S. Markes day in Rome he had a Capon whereon he was eating turned into a Carpe Some haue talked of men that could or would haue gone invisible Perhaps some body wil ignorantly say that it was Frier Bacon No it was S. Bartholomew as b Past 3 quaest 54. aâ—â€¦t 1. Thomas of Aquine telleth vs to whose body it was giveÌ„ as a miracle that if he himselfe would he might be visible if he would otherwise he shold not be beheld he might go invisible You wil hope that S. Bartholomew was an honest man or else nowe and then hee might haue done ill feates 16 That S. Francis the Patriarke of the Franciscanes was a maister of miracles we are not now to learne but see whether hee brought not vp his scholers vnto it also If wee give credite to the booke of his Conformities as I cannot see vvho can bee a good Catholike and not beleeve it e Conformit D. FraÌ„cisc Frier Frauncis one of the followers of the noble Saint Frauncis celebrating Maste founde a spider in the chalice and did not take him out but dranke him vp togither with the bloud Afterward rubbing his shin-bone and scratching where it itched that spider came whole out of his legge and did him no hurte And because such wonders as these bee must never cease in the Church of Rome but our age must haue her part our Iesuites who do as much honour the fouÌ„der of their Society Ignatius Loiola as the Franciscanes do S. Francis will informe you that Ignatius was not without his miracles for wheÌ„ d Petr Maff. in vita Ignat lib 1 7 he was sometimes at his praiers late in the night diverse peeping in vpon him haue seene his body hange in the aire two yards aboue the ground the spirit lifting vp the waight of his body to heaveÌ„-ward And moreover coÌ„ferring in speech with God which also is writeÌ„ of e Exod. 34. 35. Moses al his face would shine in marveilous maÌ„ner like the beames of the Sun But because the fouÌ„der of the Iesuits should not thus beare the bucklers away from all meÌ„ in our age there is since his time stepped vp another old gallant on Philippus Nerius a Florentine vvho hath erected an order called Congregatio Oratorij One Antonius Gallonius a Priest of his CoÌ„pany hath lately put out his life so many miracles done on by him that a man had need of a stronge faith which can beleevetheÌ„ Among other to be quit with those of Loiola f Vita B. Patr Philip Nerij lib. 1 Anno 1556. hee telleth that Philip was seene in praier time for an houre and a halfes space to haÌ„ge in the aire five cubits more aboue grouÌ„â— which being two yardes a halfe hath put downe Ignatius for halfe a yard better Also his face was seene to be wonderfully full of shining beames And because wee shoulde thinke that miracles were no dainties with him g An 1555. he could by his smel know a whore very eâ—sily he could by h An. 1559. looking a maÌ„in the face tel what he thought knew familiarly the secret cogitatioÌ„s of meÌ„s harts A man being absent from him but dreaming of him was i An 1595. cured of a vehement fever All these strange matters and many more he did albeit he told k De beati Philipâ— virtutib l. 3 Caesar Baronius then a

Christs own time it is evideÌ„t out of the Scrip ture that the highest spiritual dignity going by y Ioh. 11. 51. yeeres Annas Caiphas other vnworthy meÌ„ of that rabble did enioy it VpoÌ„ the birth of Iesus they were not glad who should most have reioyced in it but al Ierusalem was z Math. 2. 3. troubled at it And how they persisted afterward till Christ did manifest himselfe fully may be guessed by diverse circuÌ„stances which the EvaÌ„gelists do meÌ„tion after his birth But wheÌ„ he came first into the world of whom do we find speech made but of some shep-heards in the field of Simeon an old maÌ„ of Anna a most aged womaÌ„ both ready to goe into their graves of Ioseph Mary Zacharias Elizabeth and very fewe other And of these some might be soone dead other lived out of the way at Beth-lehem or Nazareth or in Aegypt the shepheards were in the fields about their trade but where there was the apparaÌ„cy of a visible coÌ„gregatioÌ„ caÌ„ hardly be imagined WheÌ„ our Saviour had selected out his Apostles they then were termed by the name of a Flock but yet by their master they were called but a a Luc. 12. 32. little flocke where the Rhemists do confesse that b Rhemens ibi in the beginning it was little indeed At the death of Christ wheÌ„ his body hanged on the Crosse for our sakes his disciples were c Math. 26. 56. all fled no man daring to shew himselfe d Ioh. 19. 25. Nic. Cleman de mater CoÌ„cil Mary Iohn a few womeÌ„ were al the faithful that now appeared vpoÌ„ earth And afterward while the Apostles their followers walked very privately or were asseÌ„bled in a e Act. 1. 13. chaÌ„ber the Priests Scribes Pharisies were they who â—uffled it in the streets bore the sway in the TeÌ„ple so that if a weak body had enquired for the church he might rather have bin directed to theÌ„ who had the law the altars al sacred things in their custody then to any other When f Act. 8. 1. SteeveÌ„ had beene stoned and for feare of the persecution which was at Hierusalem the disciples were all scattered besides the Apostles it may well be presumed that for a time they which remained in the citty where SteeveÌ„ had lost his life did not walke very opeÌ„ly Truth it is that after these things the Church was better setled and the truth was more spread but yet never was there any such priviledge bestowed vpon it but that in the daies of persecutioÌ„ or some grievous Apostasie the faithful might be brought to a smal visibility 15 Our Saviours words intend so much when alluding to the time of his second appearaÌ„ce to iudge the quicke the dead he asketh g Luk 18. 8. Neverthelesse when the sonne of man commeth shall hee finde faith on the earth as meaning that very little should then be to be found in comparison of the flowds and Ocean of iniquity which every where should abound But God to the end that he might not haue vs ignoraÌ„t but warned before hand into what straights the Church should be brought informeth vs by Saint Paul that the Lord shall not come except there first be an h 2. Thes. 2. 3 ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ Apostasie or revolt or falling away wherein Antichrist with great pride and disdaine should shew himselfe This is solemnely spoken of by the Apostle by al both old new intreating of it is observed to signifie some matter of great note that is to say some maine declining from somewhat Many of our Papists fearing to touch this soare which can in no case turne them to good would haue this interpreted to note nothing else but the slipping of divers regions countries froÌ„ their subiection to the Romane Empire But Gregory Martin and the other Rhemists being overcome with the evidence of truth are heere a litle more honest then ordinary and speake to other purpose Indeede they cannot tell how it will be taken at other Papists hands that contrary to the custome of their fellows in a matter of such moment they should giue way vnto vs and therefore they doe vse these words in way of excuse be i Rhemens in 2. Thes. 2 3. it spoken vnder the correction of Gods church al learned Catholikes But to the point concerning the Apostasie they deliver this It is very like that this great defection and revolt shall not be only from the Romane Empire but specially from the Romane church and withall from most pointes of Christian Religion In the margent it is and from most articles of the Catholike faith Here they would haue vs take the Romish beleefe for the Christian Religion Catholike faith but that deserveth a long pause We rather obserue out of them that this revolt is in matter of faith and not onely from the Empire then which glosse nothing can be truer Well then if there must be so egregious an Apostasie it wil follow that Antichrist so dominering as by the Apostle he is described will not be negligent so to represse the publike service of God that it shall not carry any liuely head or countenance where he hath to doe So that certainely our Rhemists yeelding to this exposition doe in substance confesse so much as that the apparencie of Gods congregation in the time of the great defection must bee mightely eclipsed Now the Lord to the end that he might establish his faithfull and arme them to expect this paucity of beleevers and inconspicuousnes of his Church and yet not be discouraged for that which should be past present or to come and againe that there might be no doubt in a matter of this moment letteth vs farther know that the k Apoc. 12. 6 womaÌ„ fled into the wildernes where shee hath a place prepared of God It is not doubted of betweene the Romanists vs but that this woman doth represeÌ„t the church concerning whom being in the wildernes it doth manifestly follow that for the time of her aboad there which the Almightie had decreed shee should not be discerned that is by her enemies who did and would chase her not withstanding it be not to be doubted but shee knew where her selfe was If the Romanist therefore and persecuting Adversary did not ever see the professors of the Gospel it was no wonder the woman was to remaine in the wildernes apart hid from them The evidence of which matter is such that as Master l In praefat super Apocalyps Foxe observeth for feare of divers things in the Revelation of S. Iohn wherof this may worthily be one scant any Popish writer for many yeares togither durst adventure to comment any thing vpon the Apocalyps vntill our Rhemists being desirous to shame the Pope themselues with all who are wise adventured to set penne to paper Having then a purpose to set foorth

Bohem ca. 35. He who first raised vp the opinions of the Hussites had them from Oxford carying thence into Bohemia Wiclefs bookes De Realibus Vniversalibus Cochleus who by his good will would bee taken for a vehement defender of Popery giveth yet a larger testimony For he saith n Histor. de Hussitis li. 1. that as a Bohemian brought first into Bohemia Wiclef booke De Realibus Vniversalibus so there was afterward one Pâ—ter Paine a scholer of Wiclefs who after the death of his Maister came also into Bohemia and brought with him Wiclefs bookes which were in quantitie as great at Saint Austens workes o Ibidem Many of these bookes did Hus afterward translate into their mother tongue In plaine tearmes after this the Authour delivereth it that p Lib. 2. the Hussites and Thaborites were branches of Wiclef And in the same booke Hus did commit spirituall fornication with many strangers with the Wiclefists the Dulcinists c. And in the next he avoucheth that q Lib. 3. Hus and Hierome tooke their heresies from Wiclef And once againe he tearmeth the Protestant Germanes r Lib. 6. new Wiclefists What an opinion of this man Iohn Hus had may be fully seene by that wish of his wherin hee praied s Lib. 2. that hee might there bee where the soule of Wiclef was Now what VViclef did teach may be easily gathered if by nothing else yet by the deadly hatred which the Romanists did cary toward him The s Session 8. Councell of Constance did define him to be an Heretike long after his death and commaunded that his bones should be taken vp and burnt Also t Cochl li. 1. Pope Iohn the 23. in a Generall Councel at Rome did before that time condemne him for an heretike which the Hussites did but laugh at But no man had a harder conceipt of him then Cochleus who sticketh not to affirme that u Lib. 2. he thinketh the torments of Wiclef are greater in hell then those of Iudas or Nero. If God Almighty had no better opinion of him the man were in an ill case But the best is this cholerike Criticke is not the Iudge of all the world He was angry beâ—â—ke in behalfe of Transubstantiation concerning which he citeth this Article of Wiclef There was never a greater heresie then that which putteth the Accident without a Subiect in the Eucharist But he might haue named more pointes wherein that holy man did differ from the Church of Rome The u Session 8. Councell of Constance picketh out fiue and forty Articles of his Positions which the learned Reader may finde there Yet doubtlesse many of them are fasly reported which is a matter common with enimies of the truth to perverâ—â€¦ and mis-construe that so they may more freely defame There was one x Respo ad â—â€¦8 artic Wiclef In â—â€¦ase rer ex petend ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ Wideford who tooke on him to answere eighteene Articles said to be Wiclefs whence a maÌ„ may gather some of his doctrine But that al things there laid against him were not true may wel be obserued out of the same Answere declaring that he had many things coÌ„cerning Wiclef but only by y In fine Articul 10. fame report And z Virgil. Aeneid 4. that is not the most certaine Relater What positioÌ„s indeed he held may be seene in M r. Foxe reporting his life actions as also in the a Lib. 18. Catalogus Testium veritatis And those who be not learned may esteeme of them by the doctrine of Iohn Hus before rehearsed who by the testimony of the Papists themselues as I haue shewed maintained the opinions of Wiclef 25 Now that this worthy champioÌ„ preacher of the Gospell of Iesus Christ went not alone but had many English men and women who in his life time after his death beleeved as he beleeved professed as hee professed is in the next place to bee shewed Among the chiefe of his fautours were Iohn of Gaunt as b Apolog. Hieâ—â€¦arch ca 1. Parsons the Iesuit confesseth and Lord Henry Percy the one of them Duke of Lancaster the other Marshall of Englande Master Foxe citeth out of a c Ex Regist G. Courtney Register of the Arch-bishoppe of Canterbury a Mandate mentioning that the Conclusions of Wiclef were preached in diverse and sundrie places of the Arch-bishoppes Province generally commonly and publikely The same also is manifested by a letter of that Arch-bishoppe to the Bishop of London and in a Monition directed to d Ad Cancellar Ox. Oxford where it is said that certaine Conclusions hereticall and erroneous were generallie commonly preached and published in diverse places of the Province of Canterbury There be extant also e Ad ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ Cant. Cancel Oxon. letters of King Richarde the seconde directly signifying so much But there is nothing vvhich maye more amply testifie the spreading of his doctrine then an Acte of Parliamente in the beginning almost of that younge Kinges dayes vvhere it is related that there vvere f Anno 5. Rich 2. ca. 5 diverse preaching dayelie not onelye in Churches and Church-yardes but also in markets fâ—â€¦res and other open places where a great congregation of people is â—â€¦verse sermons containing Heresies and â—â€¦etorious errours This putteth mee in minde of a written booke which once g In manu M r. Guâ—â€¦el Wirley I sawe being a Chronicle compiled by a Monke of Leicester Abbay who writing of the time of the saide K. reporteth at large that the people in faires markets riding by the way almost every where would talke of the Scripture and reprove the customes of that time as also the Priests to the exceeding greate trouble and offence of the Clergy This they might the rather doe out of the word of God because the Scriptures were then translated into English as may bee seene by diverse copies vvritten and remayning to this day supposed to bee so turned by UUiclf And it is very probable that in Leicestershire there were many of those of vvhome the Monâ—â€¦e Leicestrensis spake since at Luâ—â€¦erworth a towne in thâ—â€¦t Counâ—â€¦e Iohn UUiclâ—â€¦f vvas beneficed But the greatest parte of this learned mans abode was at the first in the Vniversitie of Oxford vvhere hee was both a Doctor and Reader of Divinity and therefore is to bee conceived to have many learned men partaking with him in his opinions h In fine R. Edward 3. Maister Foxe saith out of the Chronicle of Saint Albaneâ—â€¦ that hee had a benefice in Oxford of vvhich he was deprived by Simon ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ Arch-bishop of Canterbury It may be this was nothing else but the Maister-ship or Chiefe Governours place in Baâ—â€¦oll College vvhich I am perswaded that he had since there are yet two auncient writings in the Treasurie of that i In Archivis Colleg. Baâ—â€¦ol College vvhich I have seene who vvere made in the name of Iohn Vviclif Maister of that house

vile and odious reportes when in this age wherein God hath afforded more plentifull meanes to discover their falshood they doe dare not only in their sermons or in their secreter whisperings but in their Printed bookes to proclaime abroade concerning vs most false and vngodly calumniations and imputations as that we do teach all loosenes of life and a Weston vbique Libertinisme by this our new Gospel that we b Campian Ration 8. maintaine that al sins are aequal that wee hould it as a Maxime that God is the Author of sinne and whatsoever else it pleaseth M. Campian and his felowes to invent devise touching vs wheeras we vtterly disclaime these the like Positions as execrable vngodly Yea that Mounti-banke whom once before I mentioned hath not blushed to assevere that wee so teach as that by our doctrine c Certaine Articles or forcible Reasons At Anwerp 1600. the Protestantes are bound in conscience never to aske God forgivenesse of their sinnes And that they are bound in conscience to avoide all good workeâ—â€¦ As also that we make God the onely cause of sinne And holde that God is vverse then the Devil So shamelesse was this fellow growne that he neither knoweth not careth what he saith And yet many a poore Papist abused and gulled by the Devilâ—â€¦ deceiving instrumentes doth swalow such goageons runneth away with these things beeing as verily perswaded of them as that the Gospell is true Such a hand the Seminary Priests have over their disciples that they may not reade our bookes to see whether these obiections be true or no neither may they heare ought to the coÌ„trary Now if they thus vse vs who can speake for ourselves wil any maÌ„marveile that those who professed the verity two or three hundred of yeeres since do tâ—â€¦st of the malignant aspersion of those times 35 The Romanists not withstanding all this which hath beene said do not yet so leave vs but once more farther adde that none of all those which hitherto have bin named or can be named but in some knowne confessed and vndoubted opinions did vary from you and therefore they and you may not bee saide to have beene al of one Church Our Maisters of Rhemes do thinke that this lyeth hardly vpon vs therfore thus vauntingly they vrge that they d In Rom. â—â€¦1 4. will not put the Protestants to prove that there were seaven thousand of their Sect when thâ—â€¦r new Elias Luther began but let them prove that there were seven or any one either theÌ„ or in al ages before him that was in all points of his beleefe VVhat the olde Fathers taught vvee shall have time inough in diverse Chapters heere-after to shewe where by the assistance of GOD wee shall discusse many single pointes of faith but for other of later time it is most easy to manifest that all those whome before I have named did generally for all maine matters teach the same which vvee novve doe teach There is no Papist vvho can truely and vvithout calumniating them or sayning thinges vpon them demonstrate that in causes vvhich touch the substance of faith or the foundation of Christian Religion they did dissent from vs. Hee who will try this let him looke on the Declaration e In M r. Foxes Eccles Histor. of Walther Brute which I before mentioned and let him reade it set downe by himselfe and not reported by other And what did that learned lay-man deliver there which was not the beleefe of Wiclif and the rest of the English professing the Gospell in those times But if there bee in some petty matters yea questions of some reasonable moment difference in opinion betweene them and vs shall vvee not therefore bee of the same Church with them or they with vs Yes verily for otherwise many of the auncient Fathers should not be of the Communion of Saintes or Catholike Congregation with those who came after them and amended their errours For vvas not f Divin Iustir l. 7. 14 Lactantius spotted with the Millenarie infection and g Augustin Epistol 48. Cyprian vvith the matter of Rebaptizing Had not Austen an h Epistol 106. 107. opinion of the necessity of the Eucharist to be administred to children and that Infants being deade without i Epist. 28. Baptisme were not only deprived of the fruition of heavenly ioyes but were damned to the pit of hell and to everlasting torments And what man religiouslie affected will suspect but that although Saint Cyprian and the other Affricane Bishops aslembled in a k Concil Carthag in CypriaÌ„ oper Councel did concerning the new baptizing of those who were already baptized by Heretikes determine cleane contrarie to Cornelius the rest of the Italian Bishops yet they should not be of the same faith in generall and of the same holy Church whereof Cornelius was Saint Austen can thus write concerning Cyprian l De Baptism contra Donatist lib. 1. Whereas that holy man Cyprian thinking otherwise of Baptisme then the matter was vvhich was afterward handled and with most diligent consideration established did remaine in the Catholike vnity both by the plentifulnesse of his charitie a recompence was made and by the sickle of his suffering there vvas a purging m Lib. ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ In another place hee saith The authoritie of Cyprian doth not terrifiâ—â€¦ meeâ—â€¦ but the humilitie of Cyprian doth refresh mee Hee meaneth that if that vvorthy man had lived to have seene more light in that argument or to beholde vvhat the succeeding time had reveiled and concluded in that behalfe hee vvould in greate humilitie and meekenesse of hearte have conformed himselfe and yeelded vnto it VVhich may iustly serve for a true defence of the Waldenses Iohn Wiclif Iohn Hus or any other servant of God who might seeme in matters of small moment to vary from vs. 36 And thus I trust that by this time it appeareth to every one who will not wilfully close his eies stoppe his eares against an appâ—â€¦rant truth that God hath at all times had his children houlding the verity of Christian Religion not approving of the filthie Superstitions sacrilegious Idolatries of the abhominable Antichrist of Rome So that it is a most fonde collection that either the Popish Convocation or Confusion are the right vndoubted spouse of Iesus Christ or els that for a thousand yeeres togither there was no Church in the worlde They doate much vpon themselves and on the opinion of their bewty who in such intolerable deformities doe predicate and magnifie their Synagogue as the vnspotted wife and mystical body of our most blessed Saviour Truth it is that intending to blind the ignorant and to abuse the simple they laboured by all externall pompe and shew to give to their hypocrisy and outward formality a setled opinion of pietie and sanctitie and for that cause there was no corner of the braine of man or rather of men in many ages succeeding togither

approved the doctrin of the Papacy acknowledged the Pope to be the Vicar of Christ. This was about the yeer 1439. And to shew his facility in this kind of invention the same Eugenius provided some to come not into the couÌ„cel for feare of the pack being discovered but about the ending of it who said that they were the Legats of the Patriark of Armeniâ—â€¦ who also professed to allow the faith of the Pope to approue that which was concluded in the CoÌ„veÌ„ticle of FloreÌ„ce And because such fine trickes as these shold not grow cleane out of vse at the last meeting at TreÌ„t t Idem in Session 21. Pope Pius the 4. had such a PageaÌ„t For he caused Amulius the Cardinal theÌ„ abiding at Rome with him to write a solemne letter to the Fathers at TreÌ„t that one Abdisu the Patriarke of the AssiriaÌ„s in the East dwelling neere the river Tigris was by the advise of his people come to Rome the yeare before accoÌ„panied with some Priests a Deacon That the Pope in a full consistory of his Cardinals had pronounced him to be the Patriarke Pastour of that people yet not so but that first he did heare him make the coÌ„fession of his faith and tooke an othe of him to keepe obedience to the See Apostolike That departing away hee desired to have sent him a copy of the Decrees of the Tridentine couÌ„cel wheÌ„ all there shold be accoÌ„plished But in the meane while he did testify that the same faith which is nowe helde in the Church of Rome had without any variatioÌ„ bin among theÌ„ since the daies of the Apostles All this was divulged after that Abdisu was gone from Rome to the end that no maÌ„ might disprove it What a wroÌ„g did you to your cause that you did not put these in especially since the Iurisdiction of this Patriarke was so large that hee had vnder him in the Great Turkes dominion seaven Archbishoprickes all Metropolitans thirteene Bishoprickes vnder the Sophy of of Persia five Arch-bishoprickes Metropolitane thirteene Bishoprickes â—â€¦yea vnder the dominion of the Portingals in India three Arch-bishoprickes one Bishopricke VVould not this have made a faire shewe when your troupes vvere in the fielde you have done your Lord and Maister the Pope wronge so to oover-skippe these in such a fashion For our part we must winke at such simple trickes as these bee Yet these will serve to abuse the children of vnbeleefe and to gulle many a good silye Papist 11 Some kind harted man wil pity me that wheÌ„ you leade me such a daunce over all the world as you doe I must bee bound to follow you But let my friends take no care for if you make not very good hast I shall bee in some of the places as soone as you Now we come to the new worlds whereof our great Grand-fathers never heard and there we must thinke that Popery springeth by thousands In what countrey are you Sir when to make vp your foure quarters you put Iaponia in the North It is within lesse then ten degrees of the Tropicke and more Southward then Spaine yet with you it must bee North. So Brasilia is South-ward when yet the vpper parte thereof is verie neere to the line If you had named the South Continent for South and the Iles tovvard the Northerne Pole for North or else Cathay vvee had better allovved thereof But vvee must take what you give vs and you must give vvhat you gette VVee vvill for the while doe you the favour as to imagine you to stand iust vnder the Aequinoctial But the coÌ„mon bragge which is agreed vpoÌ„ amoÌ„g you is that you have large harvests in the new world Bristowe u Motiv 2â—â€¦ saith that the Church hath in those partes vvonne more incomparably then iâ—â€¦ hath lost by Heretikes in these our partes Stapleton goeth as farre beyond him as hee goeth beyond the truth Thus then hee talketh ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ Though in very deede through the A Discourse vpoÌ„ the doctrin of the Protestantes pernicious persuasions of that wedded Frier certaine places and couers of Christendome have svvarved from the Catholike Church and authority of the Apostolike Seâ—â€¦ in these North partes of the world yet it hath thousands folde more beene enlarged in the West parts and the new lands found out by Spanyards and Portingales in these late yeeres as the letters of the Iesuites directed from those countries into these partes doe evidently and Miraculouslie declare Hee who wrote the Apologie of the Seminaries harpeth vpon this string but with a lower tone z Chap. 6. The Iesuites in the East Indies have brought countries which were very barbarous and the most potent Princes of them togither vvith the provinces and people subiect vnto them to the Catholike Romans faith y Con. Davidem Chytraeum Possevinus your great States-man proclaimeth that in these laÌ„ds lately discovered it is a miracle of al miracles to see how many be coÌ„ verted meÌ„ going through so many seas to do it then without weapoÌ„ or force alluring theÌ„ to Christ. But al these great clamors not withstanding they who will read either your own writers or other know how it standeth wel enough Then briefly to open the truth In the yeare Pet. Mar. Decad. 1. 1. 1492 ColuÌ„bus the Genoway with some Spanyards at the charge of Ferdinandus Elizabeth king and Queene of Castile did faile so far to the West that he came to the Ilands since called Cuba Hispaniola The matter vvhich there they aimed at was store of gold and silver which the couÌ„try did yeeld afterward they did light also there-about on aboundance of pearle all which were sweet baites for the greedy needy Spanyards The fame of this stirred vp both the Princes to send the subiects to goe in huge numbers thither when not longâ—â€¦ after the maine lande of America was descryed and after that Peru the South sea the kingdome of Mexico a Benzo in nova novi orbis hâ—stâ—ria li. 1 2. In all these rich Provinces did these Spanyards set footing and finding them litle better then naked men without armour yron or steele having only for their weapons clubs and simple bowes arrowes they without leaue or liking of the inhabitants built at first Castles in divers places afterward at their pleasure townes citties Some of the ancient people there they slew downe in warâ—some other of them they caused to destroy one another either raysing new discords among them or cunningly perpetuating their olde thousands of them did these new commers slay taking them single and alone such as lived they inforced to bee their slaues causing theÌ„ to worke like brute beasts in their mines without any compassion of them where if they were slacke they were chastised with intolerable torture which made many of theÌ„ drown theÌ„selus some others throw theÌ„selus froÌ„ rocks or into the mines yea generally they so

blessed Saviour came first into the world for the ratifying of his dotrine which seemed strang for the testifying of his divine power he wrought many wonders And yet he sharpely t Matth. 12. 39. Ioh. 4 48 cap. â—â€¦0 29. reproved those who would not beleeue without miraculous signes as intending that they should be but for a time then afterward little or no vse of them But for the planting of his Church at first he gaue also to the Apostles and some disciples that power that they might worke wonders adding concerning that time that these u Marc. 16. 17. tokens shall follow them that beleeve In my name they shall cast out Devils and shall speake with newe tongues and shall take away serpents and if they shall drinke any deadly thing it shall not hurt them they shall lay their handes on the sicke and they shall recover Yet that soone afterward the ordinary exercise of these was extinguished wee have verie ample testimonie u Eccle. hist. lib. 5. 3. 7. Eusebius sheweth that in the daies of Irenaeus which was soone after the Apostles there were yet done some miracles implying by many things in his Narration that very soone after that gifte did cease I noted before the words of S. Austen x De civit Dei l 22. 8. Why are not those miracles saie they now done which you report to haue beene done Hee answereth that they were necessary till the world beleeved but now faith being spred in the world hee himselfe is no better then a vvonder or a monster vvho vvill not beleeve vvithout seeing vvonders And in another y De vera Religion cap. 25. place thus Since the Catholike Church is diffused through the whole world and grounded neither are those miraculous thinges permitted to indure vntill our times least the mind should alwaies seeke visible things by the custom of theÌ„ mankind should waxe cold at the newe appeerance whereof it was all on fire c. Truth it is that in his z Lib. 1 10 Retractations he expoundeth himselfe what he meant by this passage It is true in deede for even vntill novve when the hand is laide on them vvhich are baptised they doe not so receive the holy Ghost that they speake vvith the tongues of all nations neither novve are the sicke bealed by the shadovve of the preachers of CHRIST passing by and if any other such thinges vvere then done vvhich it is manifest that aftervvardes they ceased But that vvhich I saide is not so to bee vnderstoode that novve no miracles shoulde bee beleeved to bee done in the name of CHRIST For hee saith that himselfe sawe a blinde man recover his sight at the bodyes of the Martyrs at Milaine and some other matters hee saith were done alluding of likelyhood to those many wonders spoken of by him in the a De civit Dei l 22 8. place formerly mentioned And whereas hee had saide else-where Why b De vtilitat credendi cap. 16 wilt thou say are not these things done now Because they would not move vnlesse they were wonderfull But if they were common they would not bee wonderfull he expoundeth that also in the same booke of Retractations thus c Lib 1 14 And this I saide because not so great ones nor all are done now not because that none are done even now 13 Saint Austen acknowledgeth both heere else-where that some strange things were done in his age but not such great ones as formerly not so often not by an ordinary operation but sometimes wheÌ„ God was pleased to permit it which is notwithstaÌ„ding so to be taken that the assured faith of no maÌ„ before haÌ„d could lead him vnto it And that such matters were done about that age or a little before we have more witnes Iustine d In quaest ad â—â€¦thodox 28. Martyr saith of the time wherin he lived that the bodies of holy meÌ„ sepulchers of Martyrs did remoove away the intrappings of SathaÌ„ heale desperate diseases Basile somewhat neerer the dates of Austen ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ saith that in battailes lately before fought God ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ In Psal 18 with haile fire consumed the Northren Barbarians who overwhelmed them And by the same meanes he hindred the Persians who would haue taken their cities killing some and returning others home to carry newes of the destruction of their fellowes f Haeres 51 Epiphanius telleth of miracles which we dare not be too bold to beleeue as that there were divers places whom also he nameth where somtimes in the yeare the water in their wels and rivers was wonderfully turned into wine in remembraunce of that which Iesus had done at Cana in Galile May wee not by this example feare that diverse of the gravest fathers of the Church goe a little too farre in their reportes as g Eccl. Hist. Lib. 7. 14. Eusebius did also in telling of the image of the woman cured of an issue of bloud by CHRIST at the foote of which as he said grew three hundred yeares afterward an herbe which when it came vp so high as to the garment of the woman ' it vvas of force to cure any kinde of disease Which narration is shrewdly censured by h In metho Hist. cap. 4. Bodine as detracting credite from Eusebius in other matters But be it thus that rarely there were done some strang things for the space of some hundreds years after Christs ascension Yet this was no set certaine or ordinary vocation of vvorking miracles and therefore is very little to be accounted of for the purpose here in hand Heare Gregory on this point i Mor. li. 27. 11. What marveile is it if the faith being propagated miracles be not oft done since even the very Apostles in many which were already faithfull did not doe them This place being vndoubtedly Gregories may make the freer exception to be taken to the books surmised to be his Dialogues for here he telleth vs that miracles are not often done there if all should be true nothing can be more common Notwithstanding hence it is apparant that in his age there was a discontinuance of the practise of miracles no man was noted for a common doer of them none assumed that power vnto him and therefore since now a thousand yeares are passed from his time what vndoubted reckoning can at this time be made of them Nay what argument could be drawne from them in the daies of Saint Austen Might that which our adversaries vrge that those who did miracles had the Catholike faith How evidently how copiously how forcibly doth Saint Austen overthrow all that Reason There were Donatists other heretikes who did vrge miracles of their side Doth Saint Austen therefore yeeld therevpon that their doctrine was Orthodoxe No but thus he saith k De vnitatâ—â€¦ Ecclesie Let him shew it and not say therefore it is true because Dâ—â€¦atus or Pontius or any other did those and thâ—â€¦se miracles

of truth but is not to be imagined to say any thing in favour of Hierome with whom he had hote great f â—â€¦nvect coÌ„tra Hieron controversies He there then enumerateth the volumes of Canonicall Scripture even in the same order as we do but disclaimeth Tobias Iudith their fellows then subioyneth this g â—â€¦e symb Apostolor These are they whom the Fathers haue concluded within the Canon out of which they would haue the assertions of our faith to appeare The rest they would haue indeed to bee reade in the Churches yet not to bee produced to get from them the authoritie of faith And then These things haue wee said that thâ—â€¦se vvho doe receiue the first elementes of faith may know from vvhat fountaines of the word of God their draughtes are to bee dravvne So that in these you see the sound substantial iudgment of the most learned in the West Church eveÌ„ in the most ancient daies of it this hath bin coÌ„tinued ever since vntil our time by meÌ„ of the greatest knowledge throughout all ages yea such as were lights in the Church of Rome it selfe Nay h Greg epi ad Leandr sup Iob 5 Gregory himselfe within 600. yeares after Christ accepted of Hieromes translatioÌ„ or Castigation vsing no other but sticking so close therevnto that as a learned man of i D Fulk in prefâ—â€¦ Rhem Testam 29. Greg in Evang Hom. 34. ours hath observed it being falsly in that copy DomuÌ„ evertit for domuÌ„ everrit he interpreted it after the erroneous putting And since that time in the Romane Churches that edition is â—â€¦urrant where according to k In prolog Galeato Hieromes distinction there be no more to be found Canonical then those whom we so read I might adde the testimonies of l Prolog in lib Ios Tobiae Hugo of m In vltim â—â€¦sth epist ad Clem y. Caretane after him both men of much learning both Cardinals of the See of Rome as also of the Ordinary Glosseâ—â€¦ who in the beginning of those bookes hath thus Here beginneth the booke of Tobias which is not of the CanoÌ„ Here beginneth the booke of Iudith which is not of the Canon and so of the rest Also of n De tradeÌ„ dis discipl ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ Vives who secludeth Tobias Iudith some other In breefe I can here alleadge the witnes of many rare and worthy men even of the Popish writers and such as lived long before Luthers daies but I reserue them til some Romanist vrge me farther vnto theÌ„ But out of al this which hath bin said I conclude first that the Popes vassals in the CoÌ„veÌ„â—â€¦cle of Trent were more then audacious incroching vpon God Almighty when they durst to vendicate that authority as to put into the Canon that which lieth open to so many iust exceptions and was repudiated by such so ancient and so many as well of their own as other And secondly that our Iesuits of late as Bellarmine CaÌ„pian our other more vnlearned Papistes as Bristow and the scribler of this Pamphlet with whom I haue to deale are very hard fore-headed when they exclaime vpon vs for doing that which they ought also to do and call vs heretikes for imitating the iudgement so mature and well grounded of such persons Churches But the pity of all pities is that their blinde and deafe disciples our country-men and brethren according to the flesh giue credit to such lies and accept that as the Gospell which when it iâ—â€¦ seaâ—â€¦ed doth fly to ragges and fitters THE NINTH REASON Councels T. HILL THE Church of God hath ever beene accustomed when any heresie did spring vp therein to gather a Councell of Bishops Prelates and of other learned men in which the truth was approved the heresie condemned And whosoever were coÌ„demned by such Councels coÌ„firmed by the See Apostolike were ever deemed in very deed were heretikes and for such at length were taken of all men and in the end vanished away So were the Arrians condemned in the Nicene Councell the Macedonians in the Councell of Constantinople the Nestorians in the Ephesine the Eutychians in the Chalcedonian others in other Councels All which heretikes although they flourished for a time and drew manie people yea Emperours Kings States and Countreies after theÌ„ yet in time they came to nothing and the Councels which condemned them were vniversally embraced G. ABBOT THere are two things in the two first Periodes of this your Chapter which although not simplye in themselues yet proceeding â—â€¦om you do deserue admiration For you who were wont to make such large propositioÌ„s as no Papist durst avouch filling your mouth pen with nothing els but All are growne in this Reason vnreasonably modest downe below a great many of your fellowes when first you allow other learned ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ besides Bishops Prelates to be of your Councels and secondly you appoint these generall Assemblies not to be called by your Pope but it is inough that they bee confirmed by the See Apostolike But the later of these we ascribe to your good Maister Bristowes such like extenuation vvho hath your very wordes confirmed by the See Apostolike and from one of whose a Brist Motiâ—â€¦ 13â—â€¦ Motiues abbreviated you borrow the most of this your present Reason and the former we impute either vnto your ignoraunce who know not what your fellowes hold in this pointe or to the ticklenes of the matter it selfe wherin noÌ„e of you with the safety of Popery can define ought but it lyeth subiect to some exceptioÌ„ Some of your meÌ„ wil haue none to haue voice in CouÌ„cels but Bishops so b In enumeratione CocilioruÌ„ Possevinus saith A CouÌ„celis nothing else but a lawfull Congregation of Bishops And it is scant to be found in any of those whom you cite for Synodes that any are named but Bishops as the Nicene c In praesation Concili Nicenâ—â€¦ Councel consisted of three hundred eighteene Bishops the d In fine Concil Tridentin Tridentine if we wil take their owne account of two hundred and seventy Bishops vnlesse perhaps the Legates and Oratours of some Princes may bee numbred to be in the Councell who yet haue no voices to ratifie doctrine excepte they bee Bishoppes And yet this shoulde seeme secretly to go somewhat hard even in Campians mind who vseth first a generall word e Ration 4. the Senatours of the vvorld but aftervvard when he hath saide the choice of Bishops he addeth the piâ—â€¦he of Divines Yea f Chronil 4. Genebrard himselfe magnifying the Councel of Laterane aboue all that ever were for number saith that it had in it for cheefe Bishoppe Innocentius the Pope then tvvo Patriarkes him of Constantinople and the other of Hierusalem Arch-bishops Greeke and Latin seventy Bishops 400. Abbots twelve Priours of Covents eight hundred which in all were Fathers 1285. Now whether â—â€¦ese Priours had voices he doth

so maintaine them For such dissolute dawbing of paper you are worthy to be rewarded at least with nothing It may be said of you your maister Bristow c Virgils Eclog. 3 Et vitula tu dignus hic It cannot be denied that some men of learning haue disliked the over-much heaping vp of Sentences out of the Fathers to no purpose or needlessely especially if it haue bin done in Latin or Greeke wheÌ„ SermoÌ„s are made to the ordinary people in the vulgar tongue But the iudgmeÌ„t of the most iudicious such as respect the edificatioÌ„ of the heaters wil warraÌ„t this their opinion while it dislâ—â€¦keth not the vse but the abuse But that any maÌ„ of learning in our church or of true accouÌ„t in our state haue simply coÌ„dcÌ„ned the vsing of theÌ„ you caÌ„not shew Some weaker men in a little humâ—â€¦ur haue seemed to bee no great favourets of theÌ„ paâ—â€¦tly because they know them not as d ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ in Adâ—â€¦gijs Knowledge hath none more eger enemy theÌ„ ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ persoÌ„ partly because they haue not learning to vnderstaÌ„d theÌ„ Also because they wil not be at cost to buy theÌ„ or if these impedâ—â€¦eÌ„ts were remooved because they wil not take the paines to read theÌ„ But even such do daily more more reforme their iudgmeÌ„t we doubt not but God who hath put the spirit of moderatioÌ„ temperaÌ„te into the greatest wisest most learned of such as in times past were otherwise minded wil loine vs al in one against you the coÌ„mon enemies of the truth who in an Italionated out-landish faction litle care what you do And so I trust every English maÌ„ defiring to keepe himself in spiritual purity e Iacobâ—â€¦ 27 Motiv 14. vnspotted of the world Poperty the odious names of Puritans Precisias wherat you haue so triuÌ„phed shall to the greefe of your harts be extirpated al who loue the Gospel ioining in one as ChristiaÌ„s brethreÌ„ shal be dutiful subiects to God our King Your conclusion is ridiculous worthy to be hissed at The Protestants defend the Fathers against the Puritanes Ergo the Fathers be against both the Protestants and the Puritanes This is Logicke of the Popish Seminary 4 The titles which you heere bestow on the ancient Fathers Bristow setteth downe thus f ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ 14. excellent wits continual study woÌ„derfull learning servent praier holy coÌ„versation favour in Gods sight mighty working of infinite miracles froÌ„ whence froÌ„ the rest the Reader may iudge whether you had not Bristowes booke lying before you wheÌ„ you skuffled togither this Rhapâ—â€¦ody As for these praises we neither envy theÌ„ nor deny theÌ„ to those great laÌ„pes of the first Church vnlesse it be that of working of miracles wherof we make a doubt And by these helps we say that they were wel furnished to vnderstand expound many things in the Scripture as also somewhat by their neerenesse to the time of the Apostles in those places especially where truth was kepte without mingling And yet we will you heere to remember that fewe or scant any one of the Fathers had the Scriptures freshly delivered vnto him from the Apostles themselues you are pitifully out for diverse hundreds of yeeres came betweene Christes disciples and the most of the olde Doctours And againe to call to minde that soone after the Apostles yea as g Eccl. Hist. Lib 3. 26. Eusebius saith immediately after their death heretakes came plentifully in who laboured what they coulde to corrupt the fountaines wheÌ„ce all pure water was to flowe Remember also that for three hundred yeeres by the extremity of persecutioÌ„ the Pastours were few they had little liberty to come togither to conferre about thinges questioned or to follow their studies so much as they would And yet farther remeÌ„ber that some of theÌ„ came late froÌ„ the Gentiles as Cyprian some froÌ„ heretiks as Eusebius froÌ„ the ArriaÌ„s AusteÌ„ the Manichees somefroÌ„ meere secular callings as Ambrose of al these without Gods special grace they might a little participate Then he is bliÌ„d who seeth not that they had not al those helps as these haue whoÌ„ you cal late folish vnstudied vnlearned profane arrogaÌ„t fellowes These words you vse when you Doctour Hill are not worthy to be sorted with the meanest of a thousand among them which speech without amplification or any diminution may be iustifyed onely in the present Church of England For first wee have the writinges of all those Fathers themselves like to which every private man of them had not no nor all the world neither before their times Secondly since their daies there be infinite bookes written which give light to matters in controversy Thirdly our age by meanes of printing hath better facility to come by al bookes theÌ„ those ancient times had Fourthly progres of daies hath made many thiÌ„gs plainer to later ages because they haue bin already fulfilled theÌ„ they could be to former tims wherin meÌ„ did but gesse at theÌ„ Fifthly God hath made the scriptures of such sort as that meÌ„s wits are to be exercised in theÌ„ vntil y e day of iudgmeÌ„t it beloÌ„geth to that industry which God requireth in his servaÌ„ts y e they shold not satisfy theÌ„selues w t the labours of others so growidle bue they shold search farther inventis addâ—â€¦re Sixthly the helpe of the toÌ„gues is more rife now then it was amoÌ„g the ordinary sorte of them as may be seene by Athanasius who was so stuÌ„bled in the h Prov. 8. 22 8. Chap. of the Proverbs the i Athanas. in decret Nicen. Synod ArriaÌ„s to prove Christ a creature vrging thence by the traÌ„slatioÌ„ of the Septuagint that it is in the text k ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ Septuag The Lord made mee or created me the beginning of his waies to which without difficulties he might easily haue aunswered if hee had looked into the l ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ Hebrew where it is rather as Hierome readeth it the Lord possessed mee or as Arias Montanus hath it the Lord got or obtained me Also Austen had no Hebrew and both he Gregory very little Greek as els-where I have shewed Now although it be likely that neerest to the fountaines the waters runne most cleerely the farther of that we are they are the more likly to be polluted yet in spirituall thinges that is not to bee vnderstood of place or time but of keeping close to the original of the writen word and not varying from it And so a man furnished by God as m Exod. 31 ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ Beseleel was to the framing of the Tabernacle may be by the means aboue named and by praier conference study nothing inferiour to those first lightes even as S. Austen was more excellent in some of his expositions on the Scripture then Origene and some other more ancient then himselfe were Which as both for him S. Hierome especially

the brother of Gregory Nazianzen hath little better opinion of him when hee first termeth him f Diolog 3 a vaine trifler but afterward impious and an idle talker Breefely the famous sentence of g Contr. Haeres cap 23. 24 Vincentius Lytinensis concerning him Tertullian biteth deepe as the Reader may see if hee please to looke into that Authour 25 I come now to some other of these worthy men but yet still men and therfore may trippe in their pathes Cyprian was a good Bishoppe and a Martyr for the truth of CHRIST yet h Concil Carthag in CypriaÌ„â—â€¦ Euseb Eccle Hist lib 7â—â€¦3 hee and diverse Africane Bishoppes swarved from the truth in the question of rebaptizing those vvho vvere baptized by Heretikes Of him Saint Augustine vvriteth thus i Lib 1 de Baptism ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ contra Donatistas UUhereas that holy man Cyprian thinking otherwise of Baptisme then the matter vvas which afterward vvas handled and by most diligent consideration established did continue in the Catholike Unity it vvas both recompenced by the plentifulnesse of his charitie and vvas purged by be cutting booke of his suffering VVhat a straunge imagination was that of k Lib 10 de Trinitat Hilary when hee supposed that all the hurtes and vvoundes did no more touch or affect Christ on the Crosse or else-where theÌ„ blows do the aire or the water or prickiÌ„g the fire He thought that there was a violeÌ„ce offered on the adversaries parte but no smart or paine of Christs part This strange supposal doth l Part 3 quaest 15 art 5 Thomas Aquinas labour to excuse in Hilary but the blemishe is so plaine as that by no meanes it can bee covered VVhat Lactantius thought of the holy Ghost I had leifer sette downe in Hieromes vvoordes then in mine owne m Epist 65â—â€¦ Lactantius in his bookes but especiallye in his Epistles ad Demetrianum doth altogether denye the substance of the holye Ghost and by a levvishe errour doth saye that it is either referred to the Father or to the Sonne and that the sanctification of either person is intended vnder the name of it that is the holye Ghost And had not Hierome himselfe those thinges in him vvhich cannot bee defended As his n Contr. lovinian immoderate preferring of single life before mariage and his o Aug Epist. 19 pertinacious advouching that Saint Peter did not deserve to bee reprehended by Saint Paule for p Gal 2 12 halting vvith the Iewes Chrysostome besides his too forward testimonies for free-will which Papistes themselves dislike is of minde q Hom 3 in Epist ad Philip. Hom 11. in 1. ad Cor. teacheth it that although men dye in sinne be condemned and in hell yet almes and ostrings other helpes of praiers done by them who are alive may ease them and diminishe some measure of their tormentes Neither doth Saint Augustine want his imperfections as wheÌ„ he determineth that all children dying without r Epist 28. Baptisme go to the flames of hell which the Romanistes nowe wil not admit And wheÌ„ he liketh their iudgment who thought that vpon hazard of their salvation the s Epist. 106. 107. Eucharist was to be administred to Infantes Many more such examples might be added of vndoubted errours in these learned meÌ„ wherin I trust no Papist is so absurde as to prescribe vnto vs that we should ioyne with them least of good Christians we should become lovers of errours and in some things embracers of heresyes Besides these vnquestionable over-sightes it falleth out ofte that the Fathers do some of them differ nay are contrary or coÌ„tradictory in iudgment some to other and some to themselves What shal we doe in this case or whom shal we follow if the bare authority of these writers be of it selfe so stronge as they would make it I will not instaunce in those hereticall or erroneous opinions before named where some of them affirme and some Orthodoxely deny and a Christian man without the Scripture can give no decision vvhether is in the right Cull out that onely for example sake vvhere Hierome and Augustine doe so differ about Saint Peter and Saint Paule vvhether of them did amisse hovve should we know but by the Apostles writing But to whether of them in this contradictorie case shulde vvee give credite if they vvere considered in themselves Neither vvill I instaunce matters of meane respecte as hovve Saint s Quaest. 123 sup Exod qu. 81. sup Levitie Austen crosseth himselfe in this question whither the Cydaris vvere an attire for the heade or no Or vvhether Plato spake personally vvith the Prophet Ieremie in Aegypte and learned of him many thinges or no to the which being the iudgement of Ambrose in one t De doctr Christ lib 2 28 place hee assenteth but in u De civit Dei l. 8 11 another hee speaketh against it But I rather referre men to their differences about the Canonicall Scripture vvhich i Responsad Ration 8. before I have shewed and vvhich is a matter of greate momente Or to those thinges which Saint Augustine himselfe u In libr Retract retracted in his owne vvorkes Or to those different iudgementes in capitall causes vvhich Bellarmine citeth in infinite places and Sixtus x In Bibliothe casaÌ„cta Senensis in verie many Or to such like as that of Gregory where one vvhile hee saith that Cornelius by those y Homil 9 in Ezechi vvorkes vvhich vvent before his faith did merite that hee afterward might haue faith and another z Homil 19. while hee expressely denyeth that and saith that by faith hee came to his workes Now if there bee such doubtes as these in the Fathers or other like and we cannot be resolved out of these Doctours or if question be of the verity of their doctrine whither must we haue recourse The Papistes will say to the Church of Rome that is to theÌ„selves but the Fathers wil tell vs to the word of God as forth-with I shal shewe which every way discovereth the base weakenesse of the vnCatholike Church since the Doctors are not the touch-stone of truth but are themselves to be tried by some thing else they are not selfe sufficient but all their words are to be weighed in the ballaunce of the Sanctuarie where if they beare waight they are to be accepted if they be found too light they are to bee reiected Our ground then and foundation is not in these men although never so worthy men but the booke of God must make the finall and irrefragable decision 26 For the better establishing of this let vs heare the Fathers themselves speake I put Saint Augustine in the foremost ranke as one vvho had most occasion to deale in this argument In the controversie betweene him Hierome he is a Epist. 19 pressed with the authority of other writers Hee answereth I doe confesse vnto your charity I have learned to give this

these plaine and evident matters it may appeere whether the Romanists or we doe truely make more reckoning of the Fathers since wee yeelde them so much authority as belongeth to auncient godly and learned men noble lampes in the Primitive Church and great illustratours of the truth they in substance overthrow all this since we conserving them they corrupt them and either raze or adde to or pervert such sentences sayings of the Doctours as any way impeach their Romish Hierarchy wherby as vsurpers they raigne and dominere in the consciences of men and women FINIS To the Christian Reader IT is now about one yeare and a halfe agone that beeing intreated to aunswere this Pamphlet which is more fraught with malice and bitter speaking then with truth or learning in behalfe of my poore countrey-men abused by these Seminarians I vndertooke it And albeit for the whole yeere following I was sufficiently burthened with my ordinary businesse therein for the space of 9. or 10. weeks sicke and much weakened with a sharpe and vehement fever yet my desire to dispell these foggy mists of Popery was such that within the compasse of that time I drew vp the first Copy of an Answere to 16. of these Romish Reasons Wherein rather desiring to giue to the Reader a substantial then a flight satisfaction I found by probable coniecture that even so much would grow to a reasonable volume and the like course heere-after being taken with the latter part of D. Hils book there also might arise a work of like proportion Vpon this conceit I fell to revising writing out to the Presse that which formerly I had done and therein by Gods blessing I went so farre that now 6. moneths since I finished so much as heere is published some few interlacings only excepted But when I shoulde haue proceeded to the perfecting vp of the other sixe a burtheÌ„ was by my honorable Patrone imposed vpoÌ„ me which togither with my necessary imploimeÌ„ts at Winchester since that time hath so put me froÌ„ coÌ„teÌ„platioÌ„ kept me in coÌ„tinual actioÌ„ that I scant haue bin able to sustaine the waight of the daily coÌ„tingent perpetually incuÌ„bent busines as is apparant to every maÌ„ acquainted with mine estate And in as much as yet for a time I 'am not like to be freed from that charge I am put to this difficulty that either till I haue more leysure I must stay the Answere to these tenne Chapters being now completed by the Printer or I must send these forth without their fellowes which is much coÌ„trary to my former purpose Notwithstanding at the last I haue resolued vpon the latter of these two courses being the rather inclined thervnto because a learned man of the other Vnivetsity hath lately vn-quartered the whole Quartron of D. Hils Reasons which peradventure in the iudgement of many men may seeme so good a satisfaction to that which the adversarie hath obiected that my future labours in this Argument may very well be spared For this cause my purpose is giving way to my present necessarie services to attend and expect for a while the iudgement and Censure of men wise and learned in our Church and afterwarde to proceede or not proceede as occasion hall require In the meane time I may say that the mainest and principallest bulwarkes of the Romish religion are these which I haue already assaulted and it is as easie a matter to go forward with the rest as it hath beene to deale with these Before persons which are wilfully ignoraunt or perverse togither with their learning Popery may bear some shew but with such as haue the skill to displaye it or the grace to endure the dismasking of it it is but a painted Iesabell Only herein the vnsearchable iudgement of God is to bee admired and his waies which are past finding out are to be wondered at and that with amasement and astonishment that there should yet be so many who haue eies and see not eares and heare not yea harts and vnderstand not but still go forward to make vp the number of the servitors of the beast and of the traine of Antichrist who must haue some to adore him till the dissolution of the worlde But to the ende that such among our Popish Countrey-men as are ordained to salvation may be plucked out of the fire it behoveth vs who are the Ministers of the Gospell to be diligent in preaching the Gospell to such as wil heare and in writing for such as will reade that they may know and beleeue and be saved For the better accomplishing wherof and for the instruction of the ignorant who most readylie are seduced I haue taken these paines endevouring to deliver plainely and without obscurity that which I haue to saie And for the cleering of all my Doctors both general and particular suggestions tracing him step by step besides discussing the maine drifte of his Reasons togither with the validity of those Arguments which others for the strengthening of the Romane perfidiousnesse doe or may rest therevpon And yet in fitting my selfe to the capacity of the vnlearned I haue not beene altogither forgetful to giue some coÌ„tentment to men of more knowledge wherin how farre I haue gone it is not for me but for others to iudge But whereas I haue once made mention of the expelling of the Iesuites out of Fraunce and the sharpe Edict which was there against theÌ„ and now the report is strong that vpon some coÌ„ditions they are restored thither again to the truth wherof in particular I must ingenuously coÌ„fesse that I cannot yet attaine the difference of time being waighed will easily aunswere for that matter it beeing certainelie here-tofore one waie and nowe peradventure another In respect whereof it is not amisse to know that as it was longer agone that the Copy writteÌ„ for the Presse was finished so it is fiue moneths since that the Printer began with this booke howsoever sometimes this worke hath beene interrupted one while with the danger of the Pestilence which of late hath beene so generally spreade another while with the publishing of divers other linal tracts which the present occasion did offer And this also may serue for Answer to another point wherin my charity presumed more quietnes in some men amoÌ„gst vs theÌ„ theÌ„selues are willing to yeeld correspoÌ„dence vnto Nevertheles I trust that this is but a fit that time and experience will giue rest to the most vnquiet and restlesse soirits Lastly I earnestly intreate al Romishly affected English men women that they be not so ready to harken to Iesuits Seminary men as here-tofore they haue bin to follow their lures either in spirituall or temporall matters What they can say for their Idolatry superstitioÌ„ is long since known neither haue they yet brought ought of moment but hath received answer And for their other behaviour whither it be coÌ„meÌ„dable ChristiaÌ„ or no let their own books between the

he who first meÌ„tioned the match is the ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ father of lies so coÌ„sequently may promise that which is not in him to Iohan. 8. 44. perform you gladly would chaleÌ„ge the coÌ„pleting of the bargain that your master vnder SathaÌ„ may have so large a kingdome And that you may the better prove it as that cuÌ„ning deceiver alleaged mis-alleaged the c Luk. 4 10 Scripture it selfe so you doe to your Auditours yea so strictly you do follow him that wheras he cited what he had to say out of a Psal. of David you also begin in that sorte labouring to evict a false CoÌ„clusioÌ„ froÌ„ a right true PropositioÌ„ That the Church of the Messias must be throughout al Nations David you say foretelleth you cite vs for that purpose a verse of the 18. Psal. as you reade it after the Septuagint of the 19. as we more truly account it out of the Hebrew d Psal 19. 4 Thâ—â€¦ ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ is gone forth through all the earth their words into the â—â€¦ds of the world which seÌ„teÌ„ce whosoever coÌ„sulteth that text shal se properly originally to meane the course of the heaveÌ„s which being in coÌ„tinuall motion being whirled about the CeÌ„teâ—â€¦ the earth do testify to all nations that there is a supreme power guiding governing the whole world And this doctrine to wit that from the ordering of the Creatures the being of a God may be collected S. Paule doth also teach But that saying of David the same e Cap 10. 18 Apostle as f Rom 1. 20. you suppose extendeth farther to the doctrine of the Apostles Preachers Verily the words also cited by S. Paule do caâ—â€¦ the same sence for the Creatures no otherwise if you naturally literally do take theÌ„ then I may truly say that you caÌ„not g Bellar de verb. Dei lib 3. cap 3 invincibly demonstratively inferre that out of them which you desire NotwithstaÌ„ding because S. Paule per spiritum Apostolicum by the Apostolike spirit which was in him which is not to bee fouÌ„d but in the compilers of the New Testament might adde alter explicate apply places of the olde Testament to that which the words did not literally cary at the first because our Saviour Christ himself did so being ful of that spirit which spake by the Prophets because also some of the olde ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ fathers alluding heerevnto have not properly but by allusion referred this Chrysost in Mat 24â—â€¦ August Epist 80. Scripture to the preaching of the Apostles wee will not stande with you but accept it for the generality as you here wold haue it as it is to some such purpose formerly alleaged by mee It is therefore condescended vnto that immediately almost after Christs asceÌ„sion the Gospel was divulged East West North South in very many countries but whither in every particular Nation vnder heaven we dare not say since all is in the Scripture taken for a great part as h Math 3 5 then went out to Iohn Hierusalem alludâ—â€¦ all the region round about Iordon which is to say very many inhabitants of those places and they persons of all qualities And else-where i Luk. 2 1 all the world being a most general speech yet is so restrained that it must imply no more then so much therof as was subiect to the Romanes Which was much at that time but farre from the whole earth It is also truth that in another Psalme the Roial Prophet vnder SalomoÌ„s person who was a figure of Christ doth foretell that the k Psam 72 10 11 Kings of Thâ—â€¦ fit of the Heâ—â€¦ shall bring presents the Kings of Sheba Seba shall bring gifts â—â€¦ea all Kings shall worship him all nations shall serve him inteÌ„ding the Messias But will any man so take this according to the letter that there should never be King not Agrippa not Domitian not Sapores but should be ChristiaÌ„s al natioÌ„s at al times should entertaine the faith This extent must be so coÌ„sidered that at one time or another before the day of iudgement Christ Iesus should bee preached in some part of all â—â€¦uine regions here and there Kings and Queenes whcÌ„ God should be pleased to call theÌ„ should submit their scepters vnto the Lord of heaven But you might well perceive that these thinges are spoken by an Anâ—â€¦ he sit betweene the lewish Church which was restrained within the compasse of one lande and so coÌ„tinued for many ages and the Church vnder the New TestameÌ„t which should at one time or another be variously diffused through all general places of the world And what else do those two texts out of the Revelation insinuate vnto vs but that Christians should be picked from many nations people farre otherwise theÌ„ while the lewish Synagogue did flourish but you will not I trust inferre that all nations at all times or all people of all Nations should belong to the true sheepe-folde but there may be ebbes and flowes the Church in the l Apoc. 12. 6. wildernesse at the time appointed m 2. Thes. ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ 3. Apostasy revolting n Luk. 18 8 faith cant to be found among men since there is nothing fore-tolde by the Spirite of God but must have his accomplishment And therefore since we are warned of both there must be an age of paucity as well as of plenty a waning of the Moone as well as a full or waxing But what vrge you heere-vpon T. HILL THese thinges with many such like on Holy write are no wise verified in â—â€¦y Relegion vnder Heaven but onely to the Romane Catholike Church for that ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ but it as every man knoweth hath had any large sâ—â€¦pe to account vpon in any age And it hath bin for these thousand yeeres at the â—â€¦east throughout both the Hemispheres in such forte that the Sâ—â€¦nne stretcheth not his bâ—â€¦s further then it doth and hath done yea there is ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ nor people nor climate in the world which hath not heard of and ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ some measure received the Catholicke Romane Religion G. ABBOT 2. IF you take Religion heere for the true service of God we deny Popery to be Religion If you take it for devotion in what sence soever then vvhat say you to the Saracâ—â€¦nsfaith which for many hundreds of yeere while it possessed so much of Asia as Persia with Media Arabia with the countrie adioyning besides what is added within these 300. yeares by the raigns of the OttomaÌ„â— in Africa al the Northren part froÌ„ Aegypt to Marocco alonge the Mediterrane Sea and in Europe some thing as the kingdome of Granado in Spaine and diverse times more then that there was nothing inferiour for circuite of land to the boundes of the whole Westerne Church wherin only the Pope dominered And shal Mahumetisme herevpoÌ„ be coÌ„cluded to be that faith which must save mens solus But good Sir when the Primitiue Church did

reach so wide for diverse hundreds of yeeres without any maine corruption when the truth afterward though eclipsed yet was not extinguished in the Easterne Indian Africane Churches as also in very many poore men in West o See the answere to the 1. Reason Europe throughout the worst ages when nowe of late it is spreade so wide againe these thinges doe plentifully satisfie all the speeches afore named Rome by theÌ„ shal have no more possessioÌ„ of piety theÌ„ a grosse harlot hath of honesty You would gladly draw all Prophecies to you and appropriate them to your selves whereas those fewe excepted which living amonge you loathed your abuses you had have the least part of Gods congregation to be found with you And heere gentle Doctour according to your custome not your mouth but your pen doth exceedingly runne over while you speake things incredible improbable impossible and your Geography is iust as sound as your Divinity Hath your Romanishe beleefe for a thousand yeeres togither beene as largely difused as the beames of the Sunne Before I goe farther I vvoulde gladlye knovve whether you can blush at all or no Heere your dreaming doth farre exceed the doating of Hannibals Phormio You must have a face of brasse on when you doe but come foorth to make good the least parte of this proposition Cosmographers nowe divide the worlde into the olde knovvne Countries and into the nevve founde Landes And first doe you thinke that in the Landes lately discovered vvhich in quantitie are more then one halfe of the vvorlde the Sunne did not shevve his beâ—â—â—s till vvithin these sixe-score yeeres And can you bringe any mo ã€ˆâ€¦ã€‰ or presumption in the vvorlde that euer Christian man did knovve them or they knevve anie Christian man but especially that they heard of your Bishop of Rome till Christopherus Columbus did discover them in the yeare of our p Poâ—â€¦ Martyr Decad. ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ Benzo Novâ—â€¦orb Histor. ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ 1. 6. Lorde 1492 And if you cannot do this much lesse wil you evince that they accepted of his faith for a thousand yeares togither And as for the South CoÌ„tinent that was discryed but about or since the time of finding of America As for the olde knovvne worlde that consisteth in Africa and Asia and Europa in every part of all which the Sunne shineth some times in the yeare yea even to the very Pole as the rules of Astronomie vvhich it seemeth you never vnderstood vvill tell you Vntill that of late the Portingales attempting q Osor. de gest Emanucl lib. 1. to goe to Calecut found the Cape of Bâ—â€¦na ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ and since that time have straggingly gotte heere a towne and there a petye Castle vppon the Sea coast all vvhich vvas but a little before the going out of Columbus vvhat vvas there within the whole compasse of Africa vvhich knewe ought of the Romishe doctrine vnlesse peradventure you will name r â—â€¦dem Septa and a towne or two in Barbarye where some Portingales before that time did dwell or else perhappes that it was possible that some Merchants of Europe might goe to Alexandria in Aegypte for wares and there while they resided keepe their owne superstition But the country it selfe was vnder the Saracent either Sultanes or Turkes for seaven or eight hundred yeares And as you spedde in Africa so did you in Asia the whole compasse of that huge region taking no notice of your Pope of his Idolatry For the Christians which were there were either of no dependance vppon Europe I speake for the greater parte of these last thousand yeares or were of the Greek Church The only thing which can be pretended is that s Malmisb in Gulielm a. lib. 4 GirusaleÌ„me del Tasso Godfrey of Bullion and other Christians of the Westerne pâ—â€¦s did for a time conquere and keepe thr holy land which is scant the hundreth porte of Asia and this was holde but by the sword and that but for s Hâ—â€¦veden â—â€¦rt ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ in Henrie ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ fourescore seaven yeares but long before that time so since againe the Saracens ever had it What shame is there the in this maÌ„ who so asseverantly protesteth such grosse falshoods At the world theÌ„ in a miner is shrunke into our Europe there againe is cut of the Eastern Grâ—â€¦ church who could never be brought to ioine with the Pope of Rome no not at the t Platina in Eugan 4. Councel of Florence when Italie had thought to have intangled them in her net And all the dominion of the Muscovite which could not be caught by the baite of u Possevin de vebus Muscovit Possevinus Besides the Northren parts of Scythia Europaea nowe inhabited by some of the Tartars So that setting aside religion and common honesty among men if you had but a competâ—â€¦ wit you would never so audaciously haue pronouÌ„ced of this matter Yet I make you the largest allowance vvhich in any probability you can crave 3 But since your hand is in you will not so give it over There is no tongue nor people nor climate in the world which hath not hearde of and in some measure received the Catholike Romane religion Should you not heere be answered rather ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ â—â€¦stibus then with words VVhat saye you to the South Continent which is so huge a country that if the firme land do hould vnto the Pole as it commonly is received and beleeved it very neere equaleth all Asia Africa and Europâ—â€¦ And vvhat part in all that world is throughly discovered as yet by any Christian and I doe not capitulate with you touching all of it but what part at all is there of the same that hath received the faith of â—â€¦ome How much is there in Peru yea of the maritime partes of Brasile and downe towardâ—â€¦ the straightes of Magellanus hovve much is there in the inlande as that Terra Patagoâ—â€¦ or of Giâ—â€¦es yea hovve much toward the North from thence is there all vvhich remaineth yet in the possession of meere Infidels who neither have beene yet subiected to the heavy yoke of the Spanyards nor have once tasted of their religion Indeede for Hispania Nova and vp as high as Mâ—â€¦xice the Spanishe have incroched very much into their handes but if vvee looke higher into the Northren and colder partes of America which are not so fitte for the breeding of golde the sâ—â€¦m bâ—â€¦m of Spaine what huge countries be there of incomparable bignesse which have nothing of Christianity in them Looke either on the farther side as men passe through the South Sea in that u Hacklan the viage of S F Dr Nova Albion touched on by Sir Frauncis-Drake and all the parts adiacent or on the neerer fide by the North sea in Florida Virginia Norimbega Estotilant with all whatsoever is within the straightes togither with the maine Mediterrane countries being more then the kings of Englande and France with divers other Princes of Europe haue vnder all their dominion

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