be vnlike themselues but vary from others You reply that the Papists haue not so weake reasons for their idolatrous leiturgies rubrikes and Canons It appeareth by all your arguments how méete men yée are to iudge of the waight and sufficiencie of reasons alledged by the Papists or others Ye say if it be but in phrases of spéech that they differ it is no sufficient cause to ordaine leiturgies I graunt that is true then yée say if it be in doctrine or conuersation the censures of the Church are to helpe that I confesse that the censures of the Church are to redresse such things But your reason yet hath two defaults The one that ye deuide differing in administration of Sacraments and publike praiers but into two members difference of phrases and difference of doctrine When as there be sundry other differences as in order and ceremonies which the Church is to haue regard of and not to leaue arbitrary Your experience in these matters is not so great as your boldnesse The other fault is that because the censures of the church should redresse defaultes therefore there néedeth no prescribed order It is a world to sée how many men talke of the Censures and gouernment of the Church which knowe not what it meaneth The Church hath this power to ordeine according to the word of God and to appoynt such Orders in matters of circumstance about publike prayer preaching of the word and administring of the Sacraments as shall most fitlie serue for edification And then these Orders béeing established by publike Authoritie the Discipline and Censures of the Church are to driue men to the obseruation of the same Who is able to imagin the innumerable diuisions and offences which would arise in the practise of your Anabaptisticall fréedome in which yee denye the Church to haue power to ordeyne and to impose any orders I would the Ministerie of England were better then it is If by tearming it a franticke Ministerie you meant but to speake against vnlearned and vngodlie men you should haue leaue for me but you comprehend all the learnedest and godly whiche you could not bée bolde to doo vnlesse yee were taken with a frensie séeing there bée many whome yée are neuer lyke in any measure of giftes and graces eyther for knowledge or Godlynesse to approch néere vnto Well now yée fall to your sober reasoning agayne Paule commaunded the Colossians to admonishe Archippus you would haue a Leiturgie for your Ministers not onely to tell them what they should doo to men but also to God himselfe this is your last reason and hauing before spent your strength it is as a weake childe of your olde age If yee had no better I would neuer haue set this last For I meruayle vnlesse yee did it to mocke to what ende yee shoulde bring it in Archippus was to bée admonished by the Colossians the Pastors are to bée admonished by theyr flockes therefore there ought to bée no prescript forme of publike prayer Or is your meaning that the Leiturgies goe too farre in telling the Ministers what they shall say not only to men but to God himselfe Then I aunswere that the Colossians were to admonish Archippus to looke to his whole dutie Set Archippus aside for he doth not strengthen but weaken your argument and take these words only which séeme to carrie a great absurditie namely that the Minister should be told by a Leiturgie what he is to speake both to God and men I aunswere that the Leiturgie is not to teach Ministers which otherwise can not tell what to say it is not to maintaine an idoll Ministerie But to auoyd those inconueniences which I haue before mentioned and such lyke you may sée in the reformed Churches they haue Leiturgies and yet all theyr Ministers are able and knowe what to speake both to God and men I propounded this question that if read prayers and imposed Leiturgies bée Idolatrie where shall wée fynde a visible Churche You aunswere that in this poynt they might erre of ignorance and yet be the true Church This is some fauour yet the Church came nowe vnto yee in a lucky houre but yee may continue thus gratious least the poore Churches of England craue the like at your hande Haue yee not set downe that to reade a prayer vppon the booke is to woorship hym with a woorship disagréeing from his nature haue yee not sayd it is the deuise of Antichrist a dead letter quenching the Spirit stinting the Spirit not of Faith Idolatrie a changing the worke of the Spirit into an Idoll a tradition and bondage breaking our libertie which Christ hath purchased for vs and therefore a thing most detestable Doo yee not denye that to bée the Church of Christ which hath any thing imposed and yet yee saye touching Leiturgies imposed vppon all Churches they might erre in this poynt of ignorance and yet bée a true Church Your spéeches doo condemne all the visible Churches in the worlde wherein yée bée rancke Donatists But you woulde hide this and make shewe as though yée condemned only the Churches of England But if read prayers and imposed Leiturgies bée such as you affyrme in those spéeches which I haue mentioned how could ignorance excuse them And why may not the Church of Englande bée excused by ignorance let the Reader héere obserue the pride of ignorant blinde Scismatikes which imagine they knowe more then all the Churches of God in the earth You take it that I vse the Popish Argument of vniuersalitie and Antiquitie and so wonder what I will say against the Papists traditions séeing I fight with their weapons agaynst the truth Nay if yée could sée your owne blindnesse it would make ye meruaile in déede I reason thus It is manifest by the word of God that there should bée a true visible Church in earth but if imposed Leiturgies be such as you make them that could not bée so there could bée no true Church in as much as all Churches that are and that haue béene for many hundred yeares haue had imposed Leiturgies The Papists doo drawe theyr Arguments of Antiquitie and Vniuersalitie not from the Scriptures as you may sée this reason that I alleadge is but against the Scriptures And nowe how truly yée conclude touching this question of read Prayer and prescript forme of Leiturgies let the Reader iudge and whether the Scriptures that I haue brought doo not ouerthrowe your fantasticall and Anabaptisticall errors There were ioyned with these Arguments against read Prayer two other the first is this The Prayers of such Ministers and people as stand vnder a false Gouernment are not acceptable not onely because they aske amisse but because they breake Gods commaundement The other is The Prayers of such as bée subiect to Antichrist are abhominable Those Ministers which haue no power with theyr people to receyue in and to cast out hauing come in by the windowe are Antichristian and subiect to Antichrist therefore the prayers of
the name and I haue heard diuers say they go beyond Browne But whosoeuer shal reade his books and peruse all their writings shall well see that he deserueth to haue the honour if any be and to be called the Captaine and maister of them all They haue all their furniture from him they do but open his packe and displaye his wares They haue not a sharpe arrowe which is not drawne out of his quiuer Then next touching the question betweene them and me let the reader consider it is not about the controuersie in our Church as whether there be imperfections corruptions and faults in our worship ministerie and church gouernment nor how many great or small But whether there be such heynous enormities as destroy the verye life and being of a true Church and make an vtter diuorse from Christ I will lay it open more plaine by a comparison which the Scripture vseth The Church is like a man in whom there be many parts and members Rom. 12. If all the parts or members of the body haue their iust proportion be whole and sound and set in their due order the soule and life departed he is no longer a man to speake properly but the dead carcasse of a man But now if he be sicke and diseased so that all partes are feeble or if he be deformed with sores and maimes wanting hand foote eye nose or such like yet is he still a man so long as the soule and life remaine in him All men doo know this to be true yea euen the simplest make no doubt or controuersie about it Let vs see therefore whether it be a fitte comparison with the Church and whether it be so in it of necessitie and as manifest by the doctrine of the holy scriptures as this other is vnto our bodily senses To finde this we must first consider whether there be no true Church of GOD but that which is perfect in this worlde Wee knowe that there are none but Heretikes yea ranke abhominable heretikes which obstinately deny this cleere doctrine of the holy Scriptures namely that euen the most faithfull and the most godly are not perfect while they liue vpon the earth We know but in part 1. Cor. 13. In many things we sinne all Iam. 3. v. 2. And who vnderstandeth his errors or who can tell how oft he offendeth Psal 19. The perfectest members of the Church doo erre doo sinne are maimed are weake are spotted and deformed many wayes Nowe whereas all the members be in this case needes must the whole body which is composed of them be in the same estate Then we may not looke for a Church in this world which is not spotted deformed maymed and weake in some respects But the question must bee how farre it may bee deformed and maimed and yet remaine aliue and so a true Church of God Let all the partes bee ioyned together let there be all sortes of officers and offices yet if the life and as it were the soule of the Church be wanting it is but a dead carcasse Contrarywise let there be some members wanting some maimed all parts deformed and weake yet is it a true Church of God so long as the soule and life dooth remaine in it And what is the soule and life of the Church Iesus Christ apprehended by faith I liue now saith Saint Paul but not any longer I but Christ liueth in me Galath 2. ver 20. All the members of the Church are incorporate and graffed into Christ by faith and doo growe in him and through the operation of his spirite receiue the iuice and sappe of life from him Iohn 15. Whosoeuer beleeueth in the Sonne of God shall be saued though he be full of errors full of infirmities and deformities both in body and soule labouring to be purged But if a man or an assembly do hold that which ouerthroweth the faith in Christ they are gone there is no life remaining As the Papacie holdeth many things aright touching Christ but it holdeth sundry things contrary which ouerthrow the very foundation of the faith and so the Papacie it selfe is not Gods true Church Thus haue I laide open the question betweene mee and the Brownists wherein then are the Maisters and Capitaines of Brownisme deceiued And what is it in which they seeke victorie and glory They knowe there is no sinne no error no corruption nor no abuse but that if all the learnedest in the worlde would take vpon them to cleere and to defend the same they shall not be able Then they are desirous of victorie of triumphe and glorye ouer all both wise and learned Heere therefore they entrench themselues they make their Bulwarkes plant their ordinance set themselues in arraye and sound the Trumpet of defiance against all They presume none shall euer be able to driue them out of their holde And indeed he that condemneth an error and goeth no further can neuer be vanquished But heerein they are deceiued that out of this Forte they will batter downe the Church For theyr ordinance is ouer weake for that they stoppe in powder in great plenty for they laye on toong enough and so make terrible thundering crakes But the Bullets which come foorth and which should doo the deed are nothing but hereticall erronious and fantasticall opinions and so all vanisheth into smoake They must therefore at the last leaue their holde and take them to their heeles for Gods Church will not be battered downe by any assaults of Schismatikes Some will thinke hardly that I terme them Schismatikes seeing they be men that are accounted zealous and stand for good things But the truth is they be not onely a Schisme yea a vile Schisme rending themselues from the Church of England and condemning by their assertions the whole visible Church in the worlde euen as the Donatists did of olde time but also they maintaine heresies and some that touche the very foundation of faith and Christian religion they be vtter violaters of ecclesiasticall discipline they abridge the power of the ciuill Magistrate beside sundry fantasticall opinions For when as the life of the church consisteth in the apprehensson of Christ through faith it must needs be an heresie to conclude as they doo a nullitie a quite ouerthrow of the same from errors faults which are not fundamentall Faith and regeneration being vnperfect in all that liue vpon the earth it is heriticall to say that is no Church of God which holding the sounde doctrine hath sinnes and great abuses in it The stablenesse of Gods couenant towarde the Church being founded onely vpon his free grace it is detestable impietie to hang it vpon the works of men as the Brownists do when they affyrme that where there is any open sinnes suffered in an assemblie the couenant is disanulled with them all And if men consider well they shall finde that the whole Brownisme resteth vppon the heresie of perfection and Anabaptisticall freedome For from hence that it
consider what it is to excommunicate or to cut not onely particular persons but whole assemblies from Christ it would abate their horrible presumption Then for the suspension from the Sacrament by which the vnworthy either for ignorance or open wicked life are seperated from the néere fellowship of the Church I said yée might demaund by what right the minister dooth it Yée say that indéede would be knowne adding moreouer that if it be in the nature of Excommunication it were no small presumption in the Minister to arrogate such absolute authoritie to himselfe I hold it somewhat in the nature of Excommunication in such as haue béene before admitted but yet not to be compared as any thing néere so great as Excommunication and neuerthelesse I déeme it no presumption for the Minister to repell the vnworthy from the Sacrament He is to take héede to himselfe that he giue not holie things to dogs He is to beware of that which may giue publike offence and bring the holie mysteries into contempt It is in déede no small matter to debarre from the Sacrament The Minister therefore may easily offende in this case diuers wayes as namely if he be carried with euill will for priuate respects toward any and so aggrauate their offences and make that heynous which is not or if he doo not make the matter apparant so much as he can that the flocke may sée there is iust cause to repell them and no iniurie offered the crimes for which they are remoued being notorious Now because I sayd the booke of common Prayer doth warrant this héere yée set vp your bristles and first it may not be let passe but noted that euen the best of our Churches stand vnder this Idoll by our owne confession This is a speciall note and well marked Why did ye not knowe that we vse the booke in publike prayer and administration of Sacraments Then yee aske if the booke be Christs newe Testament that we must fetch our warrant and direction from that Idoll I might aske you a question whether ye be in your wits for doo we dispute héere whether a Minister is warranted in conscience before God to repell any from the Sacrament I thought that you Brownists whiche take vppon yee to iudge and vtterly to abandon and cast foorth whole assemblyes which professe the Gospell and which are estéemed of the godly Churches as Sisters had made no doubt but that by Gods word the Minister is warranted to repell a notorious wicked man from the Sacrament But I supposed yee would obiect that by the established order and gouernment of our Church all power to keepe the Sacraments from wicked prophanation is taken away from the Ministers and for this I alleadged the booke Let the Reader now iudge how fitlie yee clap your wings and crowe saying In déede it is a fit Portesse for such Priests and the suspension ye vaunt of a fit toole for such workemen euen the instruments of that foolish Shepheard If the iudgement of God you say were not vppon our right eye we might sée how our Lords the Byshops doo dresse vs and perceyue how this weapon that they allowe vs wanteth both edge and poynt c. You speake as if the Byshops did take vppon them and we submitte our selues vnto them as Lords ouer our faith and consciences and as though we were at theyr allotting when as in déede they bée but ministers to sée those orders kept which bée alreadie established and haue not authoritie to take from any Minister that power which the booke doth giue him much lesse can one word of maister Commissaries mouth heale the greatest wound as you say we can make with it Yee say not one in the Parish setteth a flye by it Yee speake so confidentlie and with such shewe of honestie that I should beléeue yee in these things if I had not for sundrie yeares tryed and séene your words false by experience I sayd such as be iustly Excommunicate as some are be not admitted to the publike prayer Héere yee bid sée how God insnareth me in mine owne words and how hard a bad cause is to defend What is the snare which I am héere caught in Forsooth I doo héere openly iustifie Excommunication by the Commissarie because we haue no other power or meanes and our Church wardens doo stand sworne to that Court But how shall I get out of your snare I must be fayne to breake it if it be not loose of it selfe What if when I say some are Excommunicate iustly I haue respect not to those which Excommunicate but to the desert of them that be Excommunicated Againe it is vntrue that ye say our Church hath no power but the Commissaries Court as I haue alreadie shewed Touching your next spéech wherein yee charge vs that we thincke to heale or at the least to couer enormities with these two drie withered figge leaues the one that we can not remedie the matter the other that priuate men are not to reforme the aunswere shall be more fitte when wée come to shewe what priuate men may doo Now let vs come to the other part of mine Answer which denyed the consequence though your accusation were true which is this Wicked prophane men are receyued in and retayned in the bosome and bodie of their Church therefore the Couenant is disanulled with them and they are no longer Gods people but a false Antichristian synagog To disprooue this I did alleadge that there were but a fewe true worshippers that frequented the Temple among multitudes of prophane and vngodly men To which ye reply that comparing our Church to the Temple of God and still begging the question I frame my Arguments as though our people were faithfull and our prayers holie I pray yee what is the question which I begge This say you is the question whether the assemblyes in England be the true Church of God and then yee woulde beare the Reader in hand that I reason in such sort as I would first haue this graunted that it is a true Church of faithfull people and holie worship You should haue done well to haue shewed how I frame my Arguments from the Question graunted But the truth is yee can shewe no colour héere of any such thing Nowe may I charge you and that iustly which I wyll also make apparant to all which will not shut theyr eyes that in stead of answering yee doo not onely cauill but most sottishly with a blinde shift For our question heere is this the Church of England doth receyue in and retayne in her bosome the prophane multitude therfore the Church of England is not the true Church To disproue this I reason thus the Church of Israel retayned the multitude of wicked ones in her bosome for there were but fewe true worshippers frequented the Temple among multitudes of prophane vngodly men Therefore this fault doth not destroy the béeing of a true Church neyther is the worship and prayers of the faithfull
lesse ought they to take vpon them to set vp the whole frame You meane not to medle with reformation of the state but ye will erect a state and gouernment for is not the power of the Church both publike and great Ye will not daube the walles of Antichrist nor build Iericho no in déede ye are ouerprowd to be dawbers or to repaire ye will erect the Altar and build the Temple in Ierusalem such worthy men must haue a new building of their owne Thus may all men sée that ye confesse the lawe of God condemneth intrusion without lawfull calling and presumption aboue calling and yet ye take vppon ye being priuate and thrust forward other priuate men vnto the chiefe publike worke vnder the heauens but more of this in the next Article Article 5. The Brow We purpose by the assistance of the holy Ghost in this faith and order to leade our liues and for this faith and order to leaue our liues if such be the good will of our heauenly Father c. G. G. If men haue the truth it is good to stand vnto it to the death rather then to deny it as our Church in the same estate it is now in yéelded many blessed constant Martyrs But if a man haue not the truth it is great obstinacie to die for it as sundrie Anabaptists and other Heretikes haue shewed by theyr dying Euery true Christian will rather die then denie the discipline which Christ hath left but you must shewe that God commaundeth priuate men to set it vp The Brow The word of God and your owne mouth hauing approued our desires in these Articles we can not be moued with Satans old temptation to doubt of the Lords vndoubted truth or call his commaundements into question with if it be the truth c. Neyther can we be remoued with that old Popish reason ye bring of certayne blessed Martyrs that dyed in this estate your Church is now in This is not to approoue the state of your Church by Christes Testament which vntil you do though all the men in the world should both dye in it and for it yet could they not iustifie that God condemneth c. G. G. How the word of God and my mouth approoueth your most wicked intrusion without calling let euery wise man iudge Yee call it an old Popish reason that I bring of certayne blessed Martyrs which dyed in the state our Church is nowe in If you had no more frensie in yée then my reason hath Poperie it were much better for yée Let vs sée howe you or any Brownist is able to answere it That Churche which is of the Deuill and hath not the truth but is Antichristian can not bring foorth and nourish vp children to God But the Church of England in the estate it is now in brought foorth and nourished vp children to God séeing it yéelded many blessed and constant Martyrs Therefore the Church of England in the estate it is in hath the truth and is not a false and Antichristian Church When you haue shewed that a false Church can bring foorth and nourish vp true children to God yée may well saye that this is not to prooue our Church by Christes Testament If yee can not prooue that ceasse to cauill Yée denye them not to be blessed Martyrs but yee say that they dyed not in our Church nor for our Church Ye speake confidentlie but in the confirmation of your spéech yée shewe your selues most foolishe For yée say they dyed not in our Church béeing through Gods great mercie depriued and disgraded by theyr enemies All the Martyrs were depriued by theyr enemyes of theyr liues they could not depriue them of theyr faith nor of the truth which they had learned before from the mouthes of Gods Ministers in our Church What were they all disgraded of doo yée take it they were all members of the Synagog of Antichrist or stoode for any dignities or priuiledges in that fellowship vntyll theyr enemyes thrust them foorth Then yée say they dyed not for it but for the truth of Christ How will you separate things as contrarye which doo stand well together they dyed both for the truth of Christ and for our Church they constantly gaue testimonie to the truth and were content to indure any torments to confyrme theyr Bréethren in the same and therein may be sayd to dye for the Church I doo not meane that euery thing which they allowed must néedes be good for they had theyr errors and imperfections Neyther doo I reason after this sorte as though the Martyrs should dye for euery order and obseruation of our Church they dyed for the substance of that faith and woorship which our Church mayntayneth And as I sayd before you must prooue they were not begotten to God by our Church or else confesse our Church to bée the Spouse of Christ Doubtlesse if our Church did not bring them foorth and nursse them vp to God they were deceyued and departed out of the worlde such babes that they tooke a wrong woman for theyr Mother for they tooke our Church to be theyr Mother But you haue another Answere and that is that those Martyrs neuer resisted the truth béeing shewed them nor neuer yéelded vnto any yoake or corruption which God gaue them sight of contrarie to theyr consciences as yée say we doo in these dayes Then the difference will fall out betwéene them and vs that they offended of ignorance and stoode vnder Antichristes yoake yea some of them must be Antichrist himselfe in as much as they were Byshops and yet Gods true Church For yée say they were faithfull in that little light and wée offende of knowledge and therefore can not be the true Church Your confessing them faithful in that little light so Gods Church vnder the same gouernment we be which ye tearme Antichrists yoake doth quite ouerthrowe all Brownisme make what difference ye can betweene them and vs in truth yet shall it appeare that of necessitie graunt them to be the Church ye must confesse ours If ignorance excused them ignorance should excuse many among vs séeing there be multitudes in the land professing the Gospell that are perswaded we haue the truth and be in the right way both in doctrine and gouernment And againe ye are much deceiued if ye suppose that euery Christian man now hath so great vnderstanding as the chiefe of them had that suffered death in the dayes of Quéene Mary Would ye haue men beléeue that Browne himselfe and those Brownists which take themselues his equals haue greater light then eyther Ridley Cranmer Howper Bradford Philpot Taylor and other had when the learnedest in these dayes are not ashamed of those woorthie men but acknowledge them as excellent Diuines How absurd a thing is it that ignorant blinde Schismatikes full of fantasticall and hereticall opinions should boast of theyr great light in comparison of theirs Now we come to the last poynt of all and one of
the Pastour doth keepe backe some for ignorance c. Heere you confesse that very many Churches in England want godly Pastours and that there all are admitted and that he that admitteth them is the worste of the company Thus you make the most Chuches in England in a very bad estate and so farre foorth you affirme your article But yet you know some Churches c. I did confesse and doo still with gréefe that in very manye assemblies in England all are admitted to the Table of the Lord which offer themselues euen the most prophane and grosse sinners I shewed also the reason of this gréeuous offence namely that the ministers which should repell such open offenders are many times the worst or at least negligent in that behalfe And moreouer that the Church of England dooth neither approoue such admission of prophane men to the Sacrament nor yet suffer it in practise wholy For touching practise there be many congregations in the land where sundrie for ignorance and open wickednesse are by the ministers kept backe and not suffered to communicate vntill they shew repentance And for not approouing such admission I said the booke of Common prayer dooth prescribe and commaund the repelling of notorious wicked offendours and also that some are excommunicated iustly not admitted to publike praier This was the first part of mine answer wherein I prooue your accusation false The other is that the godly are not polluted by the companye of the wicked which are suffered to communicate with them in Gods worship and the thing not in their power to redresse And for example I alledged the Church of the Iewes By which I prooue that if your accusation were true yet it destroyeth not the Church Now let vs examine how you ouerthrowe this by your replye Yée aske whether there were no more prophane in the parish besides those twenty or thirty which are repelled And whether those other prophane were not admitted I answer If there were yet the repelling of twenty or thirty in a flock dooth shew that you accuse falsely when yée say all the prophane without exception of any one person are reteined in the body and bosome of our Church But to prooue your article at once as yée say by a more direct course yée bring an argument And yée demand if I know anye in all the realme of England vnbaptized Is not Baptisme say you a Sacrament belonging to the Church by which all the faithfull and their séed doo enter into it Wherevpon yée argue thus All being baptized it followeth that all are receiued into the body of your Church Now being once receiued in they can no way be cast out but by excommunication And it is manifest that the Parson and all his parish hath not the powre which Christ hath left vnto his Church to excommunicate any offender be he neuer so obstinate or notorious c. This being the onely reason by which ye stand to prooue the truth of your accusation I must bestow the more paines about it Thus it must be set in forme Where all are receiued in by Baptisme and no power to cast foorth any by excommunication there all the prophane multitudes are without exception of any one person receiued into reteined in the bosome and body of the Church But in the Church of England all are receiued in by Baptisme and there is no power to cast foorth any by excommunication Therefore in England all the prophane multitudes without exception of any one person are receiued into and reteined in the bosome and body of the Church In your proposition there are to be excepted such as are repelled from the Sacrament who are in some sort for the time remooued out of the bosome of the Church And also such Papists Heretikes and Scismatikes as depart out of themselues It is further also to be considered in it that all the baptized continuing outwardly obedient they cannot be iustly called the prophane multitudes Your presumption in which ye charge the Church of England with a principall transgression for receiuing in all by Baptisme and hauing no power to cast foorth any by Excommunication is with foule error and falsehood Touching the Baptisme of Infants this appeareth to be your iudgement that the children of prophane men which remayne in the Church and professe the faith of Christ belong not to the couenant and therefore ought not to be Baptised No doubt the Church doth offend when open notorious sinners are not Excommunicate and brought to repentance or at the least to such a shewe of repentance as that men can not further iudge them but as Brethren It is also an offence where such not being cast foorth their children are receyued vnto Baptisme and that without care to sée them brought vp and instructed in the Christian Religion and to leade a Godly life agréeable to the same But to say that the children of prophane men taking prophane men as you doo which professe Christianitie and remayne in the Church are not to be Baptised is a very wicked iniurie to Gods people and contrarie to the manifest doctrine of the holie Scriptures and can not without Heresie be mayntayned First touching prophane people it is certayne that all Heathen Heretikes all Scismatikes open contemners of the holie Religion and all obstinate wicked men whiche despise the censure of the Church that hath passed vppon them may be called prophane But you Brownists go further and condemne them all as Infidels and prophane which professe the faith of Christ because notwithstanding they doo it in some weakenes and infirmities which is a wicked presumption and intrusion into Gods seate and in which as I haue shewed before yée breake the rule of discipline giuen by our Sauiour Christ by which no brother that is none which professeth the true faith is for his sinnes and impenitencie to be iudged as heathen vntill he haue despised the admonition of the Church and so be cast foorth You take vppon yée to plucke vp all the Darnell yée are commaunded the contrarie least yée plucke vp the Wheate Math. 13. You dare and that in most sauage and desperate manner rend and teare vp the weake plants yée doo it vnto whole assemblyes in which there be many that vnfaynedly sorrow and mourne for their sinnes and studie to please God all that feare the Lord may tremble at this your intollerable wickednes But now to procéede Ye will not allowe the children of prophane men the Sacrament of Baptisme And what is your reason they bée not the séede of the faithfull In déede in this yée say true that none are in theyr infancie to be admitted to this Sacrament but the séede of the faithfull but when yée take it that the children whose next parents are hypocrites or wicked and prophane persons which yet remayne in the Church and professe Christ be not the séede of the faithfull at all and in any respect and so within the couenant and to be baptized