inferre vndoubted positions from weake and false premisses infallible conclusions Omnipotent power that makes the conclusion stronger then the premisses whereupon it is grounded But I will spare this sore because Doctor Stapleton saith it is a sinne to touch it Thus it is quoth hee but we must not enquire the maner how it is that were curiositie Happily it is a mysterie and it were safe for your Church it were not looked into The consequence of your argument if any impotencie of erring in one then in all is too too weake there is a meane betwixt all and none at all you run altogether vpon extremities all errours be not at once disclosed nor all truthes alike necessarie to be knowne What say you to your Doctor Stapleton who limits the Church with a condition of determining such points onely as be necessary to be beleeued or belong to the verie substance of faith else she may erre both in discourse and definitiue sentence a condition which would be looked vnto if not quite put out of his workes for it shaketh many a decree Nay what say you to Bellarmine who acknowledgeth there be some true catholikes which hold that the Pope in a general counsel may erre when he giueth not all diligence Which generall condition if it be truly obserued in assembling the synod without partialitie in selecting points of moment and necessitie in consulting with all simplicitie with such like included vnder all diligence doubtlesse Gods spirit for his part will neuer be wanting See now if you would be reasonable we might happily shake hands in this point but you presently runne backe to an absolute omnipotencie of not erring in any one point and so shall we neuer meet I aduise you though doe not take it for an article of your creed but remember Bellarmine his rule That is not to be held as a point of faith against which some catholikes do hold being reputed catholikes of the Church and not condemned for heretiks But some catholikes hold the Church may erre quando non adhibet omnem diligentiam therefore resolue not all your faith vpon this point but alas we haue your resolution MOTIVE COntrarie the Catholikes auouching the inflexible truth of the Church as the voice of Christ and direction of the spirit doe stay the mindes of the faithfull from doubt and wauering But the other making an head from the bodie of the Church are rightly punished both with beleefe in errours and vnbeleefe in truth ANSVVERE SEe now your conclusion which buildeth not vpon that point alone we haue alreadie sifted but assumeth with all a farre more slipperie ground that that Church you haue lately plunged your selfe into is the onely Church we haue talked of all this while the onely true vniuersall visible Church vpon the earth Which two vncertainties wel examined and laid together will I feare me make but a sandie foundation to build vpon and an vnstable principle to stand vpon it owne ground and vphold all religion Yet this is your only sanctuary wherin you secure your soules of all sound beliefe which standeth vpon these two main pillers first that the Catholike Church cannot erre which is not so dangerous if rightly conceiued as hath been said Secondly that this Romish Church whereof you professe your selfe a member is that Catholicke Church Which second branch must be yet further resolued into other vncertainties presupposed by you as vndoubted truthes whereupon the frame of your religion doth rest it selfe to wit first that this present Romish Church doth not degenerate from the ancient Catholike but soundly and sincerely professeth that same faith which was established in the primitiue by the Apostles continued in the ancient Romane Church in the time of the Fathers for the space of 600 yeares Secondly this being proued and made manifest you must adde further that this Church of Rome is not so Catholike as was the Church of Corinth Galatia c. that is not as a member communicating in the faith of the whole Catholike but that it selfe is the whole entire Catholike Church thereby excluding all other Churches in Christendome as hereticall which doe not acknowledge themselues subiect to the Bishop of that Sea Which thing you must defend not against protestants onely who proue you rather to be an Italian faction then the Catholike Church which Iohn Hart doth ingenuously acknowledge to be more probable then he was aware of but euen against your owne Doctors and Cardinals must you arme your selues in this point who complaine there is nothing decreed in counsels but what the Italian Nation liketh of as Ludouicus Cardinall of Arle complained at the Councell of Basil and Claudius Espencaeus a Doctor of your owne in Paris witnesseth for Trent Haec est illa Helena qua tridenti nuper obtinuit c. speaking of the Italian Nation Now if any of these pointes faile you which me thinkes be verie tickle then is not the voice of your Church euermore the inflexible truth of Christ and direction of his spirit which you presume to be the first ground of Christian Religion that doth stay the minds of the faithfull from doubt and wauering in all the rest THE THIRD MOTIVE THe infinite waies of errours draw themselues in their originall into two heads opinion and affection which as two cankers breed the one in the vnderstanding the other in the will for our iudgement is easiest deceiued by those things we esteeme truest and our inclination by what we loue best There is nothing of more manifest presumption then the truth of the Scriptures nor fuller of desire then securitie of happinesse therefore these two being left vnlimited the one of Canonitall exposition the other with necessitie of meanes are a direct method of indirect consequence Such is the practise of the later religion they teach that nothing is to be credited but what is warranted in holy bookes and giue not infallible rules of interpretation but such as at last must be ouerruled by priuat opinion for conference of places propriety of phrase acceptations of wordes can make no other conclusion then euery ones conceit will aforde So that of an infallible proposition and arbitrary assumption must needes insue a dangerous conclusion though not euer in the matter which is concluded yet alwaies in the manner of concluding ANSVVERE TO let slip your philosophicall introduction sparing in this short discourse to catch at by matters you haue pitched your motiue vpon the two maine partes of a christian soule The vnderstanding of diuine truth and the desire of true happines assuming to your selues and denying wholly to vs both sound iudgment for the triall of the one and necessarie meanes for the enioying of the other Our iudgment is impeached for resting it selfe wholly vpon the written word being depriued also of the infallible interpretation of the same For the first point we doe indeede maintaine the written word as the most perfect worke of God to
whole body This is a marke Saint Paul willeth vs to aime at and indeuour to attain the perfection of it But you as if your Church had alreadie attained it and were perfect in this vnitie of faith haue fansied to your selfe such an vniformitie in religion and such an infallible meanes to enioy the same as doth expell all differences in iudgements and opinions remoue all occasions of doubt and reply and vnto which perfect obedience is tied By this cognisance haue you discerned and noted the onely true catholike Church and thereby cut of al protestants from that body So did Tully describe an oratour who neuer yet was knowen either at Rome or Athens so did Plato imagine a commonwelth collected of the select perfections of all societies and so hath your chymicall phansie conceited a Church in her state here militant which by triall will proue a meere Eutopia not to be found vpon the earth For you might easily conceiue euen in reason that albeit vnitie be essentiall to a bodie and consequently the vnitie of faith to the Church of Christ yet as there be many degrees of perfections in the church so be there likewise of vnitie in faith Concerning the very bodie of religion and more materiall pointes of faith there is in our Church an vniforme accord and agreement though in other branches some differences as amongst your selues how manie iarres betwixt Aquin and Scotus and y e rest of that scoole scarce three of thē saying one thing How many errours cōdemned in your Cardinal Caietan by Melchior Canus and Bellarmin The Iacobins and the Cordelians could neuer agree about the Virgin Mary her conception In a word it cannot bee denyed but so many orders of fryers almost so many sectes in opinions and deadly quarrels euen at this day Wherefore before this your peremptorie conclusion of deposing Churches it had bin a point verie requisite first to haue defined what degree of vnitie were necessarie and what kinde of differences brings the Church of Christ to vtter dissolution so that it remaine noe longer to bee a Church But you taking a course most easie to deceiue your selfe and others discourse aloofe in generalities and take the perfection of vnitie at the highest pitch to make a more glorious shewe So then the weight of this your argument resteth it selfe vpon these two poyntes First that the prouidence of God hath prouided for his Church militant a perpetuall and infallible meanes of vnitie in faith and such a vnity as takes away varietie of iudgments and opinions remoues all occasions of doubt and reply and vnto which absolute obedience is tyed Secondly that this meanes is to be found in the Church of Rome and not els where Let vs briefly examine the first ground which if it proue sandie the whole frame of this your building falles by it owne weight Saint Paul his argument in the fourth to the Ephesians from whence you haue raised this whole discourse in your owne sence makes directly against you For as from vnitie of Gods Church hee buildeth the vnitie of faith so doth he likewise the vnitie of spirit in the bond of peace Then if from the defect of vnitie in faith you will goe backward to deny the Church you must deny it likewise by vertue of the same text vpon any quarrels or contentions ciuill or eccleasticall which doe impeach the vnitie of loue in the bond of peace But I wot you will be better aduised and graunt there may be a visible Church though the vnitie of peace be not in perfectiō And may there not be one also amongst vs in some differences of iudgments yea much more since varietie of opinions rise commonly from ignorance and weaknes of iudgment whereas those other quarrelles proceed rather from malice and enuie and therefore are lesse veniall and more likely to take away the possibilitie of dependance vpon God Let vs then leaue to straine at gnattes and ingenuously acknowledge thus much at the first that all differences doe not take away the nature of the true Church Next that all vnitie doth not proue a Church For there may be aswellconspiracie in errour as vnitie in faith Yea the kingdome of Sathan is at vnitie with it selfe Or els saith our Sauiour it could not possibly endure If this policie be the strength of his kingdome no meruaile if the same be found amongst his instruments as the prophet Nahum speakes of the enimies of Gods people the Assyrians comparing them to a firre bush or heape of thornes twined or folden one within another Your next shift will be that differences of iudgments among catholikes before definitiue sentence giuen bee neither damnable nor concerne matters of faith but after the Church hath giuē her voice vnto which perfect obedience is tyed then such a truth so determined is presently to be imbraced without reply or further enquirie Which conceite seemes to make voide the ende of that diuine dispensation by which you affirme some sediitons and factions to spring in the kingdome of God Which in his wisedome be not onely permitted but disposed and ordered to the exercise and more full triall of the faithfull To which purpose wee are often vrged in the text to search the scriptures trie the spirits proue all things but here is a shorter cut for a catholike Onely these two poynts First in any doubtfull question vndetermined either let him suspend his iudgment or if he lift to take a side it is not daungerous vntill the Church haue defined and then secondly after definitiue sentence let him imbrace it as a matter of faith without further examination Me thinkes this triall is too too easie that a catholike should put himselfe into such complete armour as y e Apostle biddeth as to haue his loines girt with veritie his feete shod with the preparation of the Gospell to take vnto him the shield of faith the sword of the spirit to make such search and examination for the truth of God and when it comes to the point so he keepe himselfe within compasse of the visible Church which is verie spacious he may safely fight on which side he list without daunger and when sentence is past yeelde consent with securitie Which position I must needes confesse hath the aduantage of mans nature farre aboue the other For that which we desire and wish for we are easily induced to beleeue wherefore euery man naturally affecting to enioy securitie with all facilitie and ease that may bee doth willingly perswade himselfe of this and the like plausible conceites euen by the sway of his owne inclination Which thing makes it no whit lesse suspected of errour but rather much more because euery naturall motion and desire arising out of the inferior part of the soule must by the kingdome of Christ be either quite subdued and rooted out or at the least so crossed and qualified as it seldome remaines the same So then to draw this whole poynt to a
AN ANSVVERE TO WILLIAM ALABLASTER his MOTIVES By ROGER FENTON Preacher of Grayes Inne AT LONDON Imprinted by FELIX KYNGSTON for W. Aspley dwelling in Paules Church-yard at the signe of the Tygers head 1599. THE CONTENTS OF THE seuen Motiues 1. Of the stay of the minde in doctrine of faith 2. Of the last resolution of religion 3. Of the rule of interpretation of Scripture and of necessitie of workes 4. Of the multitude of communicants in the catholike faith 5. Of alteration and reformation of religion 6. Of the power promised to the Church for discerning of truth and of the meanes of deciding controuersies 7. Of markes to discerne heretikes by and of innouation TO THE RIGHT WORSHIPFVLL HIS SINGVLAR GOOD PATRONES THE REAders of Grayes Inne RIGHT Worshipfull I craue your patronage and pardon both at once I haue stolne from my daily duetie vnto you vnto whom I owe both my selfe and all duetie certaine waste houres which I haue imployed about this discourse If my paines haue been fruitfullie bestowed yet they must craue pardon because they were bestowed without your leaue if idlie then I must craue pardon twise once for them and next for my selfe Howsoeuer I am sure my best desert must pleade pardon which I most humbly beg at your hands submitting my selfe and thaese stolne meditations to your milde censures Which if I finde fauourable I shall be encouraged with more alacritie to applie my studies in my ordinarie duties and with better content as well to amend what you shall finde amisse in this as also to prepare my selfe to some greater taske And so with my dailie prayers to almightie God for the happie and flourishing estate of your Honourable societie I humbly take my leaue At my chamber in Grayes Inne this 24. of Nouember 1599. Your daily bounden Orator ROGER FENTON The Author to William Alablaster prisoner in the Tower wisheth health of soule and bodie ALbeit Aarons body mysticall whereabout we contend might iustly occasion a much hotter conflict then that dead bodie of Moses for which Sathan stroue with Michael thereof to make an idoll yet haue I rather chosen beloued Alablaster to offend by ouer much mildnes in this generall suruey and discouerie of your grounds then any wise in bitternes of spirit vnderpretext of zeale to gaule and disgrace an aduersary Onely to the ende this slender taske imposed vpon me might finde the better intertainement euen at your hands I haue weighed your inducements with all indifferencie vrged the force of them so fully as I am able to conceiue and examined them by the touch and triall of your owne grounds VVherefore since by this time I hope the seething of your feruencie is well nigh ouer you become more staied then before and able to containe your selfe within some limits of moderation my heartie wish and desire is that you would vpon this new occasion take a sober reuiew of your owne worke more aduisedly consider the premises whereupon you build and as God shall moue you accordingly shape your resolution VVhich thing although I haue small hope my labour should be so happie as to effect in you yet least these your popular fallacies should insinuate themselues into the mindes of the more vnstable I am the rather induced to publish this briefe answere for the vse of such tender iudgements as shall in that kinde neede the same So committing to almightie God the happie successe hereof and submitting my selfe herein to the censure of the learned I bid you farewell from my Chamber in Grayes Inne Nouember 24. 1599. R. F. THE FIRST MOTIVE AS the moist and vnstable bodies because they are vnbounded in themselues neuer cease from motion vntil they be staied in some other bodie which hath stay in it selfe so the vnderstanding vnquiet by nature passeth through all formes of opinions vntill he resolue his assent vpon some principle that standeth onely vpon his owne ground ANSVVERE THat principle which stayeth the vnderstanding in humane knowledge containeth a truth firme in it selfe manifest to the light of nature shining in vs knowne to euerie man of meane vnderstanding carying euery proofe and vpholding each conclusion which reason is able from thence by discourse to inferre So that the vnderstanding passing through so many formes of opinions by discoursing at randome is therefore vnsetled because he cannot reduce those fareftcht conclusions to the first principle and examine all opinions by that truth which standeth vpon it owne ground MOTIVE THerefore when the question of truth in controuersie of faith is turned too and fro in the throng of so many particular quarrels it is best to goe aside and single out the two grand Originals and foundations from the which all other factions arise that by taking the iust estimate of the strength of eyther our iudgemēt may leaue to the stronger part Al particular controuersies in thēselues stand vpon their yea and nay but vnto vs require proofe which proofe is linked by reason which reason is chiefely groūded vpō scripture which scripture is authorised not in the letter but in the sense because it is doubtful in the varietie of apprehensions some leading others drawing many writhing their text to their seuerall factions The question is at last remoued frō the text to the interpreter frō the scripture vnto the men So that a mind studious of truth is now come to his last care to determine of the worth merit authority of these that are the exposit our ANSVVERE YOu passe from formes of opinions to controuersies of faith from an vnquiet vnderstanding by nature to an vnstable faith in religion which inference is not greatly amisse if rightly taken For as these two kinds be diuerse in nature so be they alike in proportiō For the principles of religiō differ from the principles of reason so doth this of faith from that of nature Hence an vnstable vnderstanding is not fixed vpon one and the same ground in both kindes They be alike in proportion thus as nature hath her principles written in the hearts of all men so religion hath hers reuealed from heauen to al faithfull men Secondly as the glimmering light of nature still shining in vs enlightneth her principles and maketh mens minds fully assent vnto them So the spirit of God enformeth all Christian minds with a supernaturall light of faith and full assurance of the first principles of religion Thirdly as the principles of nature are presented to our vnderstanding out of the booke of nature the volume of creatures and visible things of God together with many mysteries in part vnfolded by the wise Philosophers in their comments vpon nature so the first common principles of faith are euidently expressed in the booke of God besides many high mysteries in part reuealed vnto vs by the learned and holy men of God from time to time Fourthly as the naturall vnderstanding the further it is remoued from the first principles by discourse and tract of consequence the more vnstable
it is subiect to errour being not able so steadily to looke backe frō euery conclusion to the first ground so the minds of Christian men holding the same commō grounds by them vnfolding difficulties and from them raising conclusiōs according to the variety of iudgements and apprehensions doe shape so many formes of opinions and controuersies of religion Thus farre I hope we haue gone hand in hand without crosse or variance in any poynt at all It remaines them since the vnderstanding euen of a christian man is weake and vnstable in his discourse and apprehension that we seeke the meanes to establish and confirme the same so far forth as may stay the conscience of one studious of truth in matters of religion Your aduise is that notwithstanding all truth in controuersie of faith be grounded chiefely vpon scripture yet the sence of scripture being diuersly taken by diuers therefore to vs vncertaine the question at last must be remoued from the text to the interpretour from the scripture to the men God forbid the question should euer be remoued from the ground of truth which truth is contained in the first principles which principles be euidently expressed in scripture not diuersly taken but agreed vpon of all Churches As that Christ is come in the flesh Christ is the sonne of the liuing God his second comming to iudgement the resurrection and such like the analogie of which truths is an infallible rule for expounding more obscure places and a sure ground to build vpon These principles being not doubtfull in varietie of apprehensions like other places of greater difficultie there is no shew of reason why a christians mans mind should in any controuersie be remoued from them no more then naturall reason will in any case forsake her common grounds notwithstanding any sect of Philosophers whatsoeuer but still labour to trie and examine all opinions by her first rules Thus much I will presume vpon as graunted if any exceptiō be taken I appeale to your own words It is best to goe aside and single out the two grand originals and foundations from the which all the other factions arise that by taking a iust estimat of the strength of either our iudgement may leane to the stronger part I demaund then when your selfe went aside to single out the two grand originals by what rules did you take a iust estimate of the strength of either If religion be to you a matter of conscience you must needes confesse that your rules of reason or religion or both did sway your mind and make your iudgement leane as you thinke to the stronger part So that euen by your own euidence that last remoue of the question from the text to the interpreter from the scripture to the men if it cary any shew of truth it must be interpreted verie tenderly First you meane not frō that plaine scripture wherein the first principles bee euidently authorized but onely from those obscure textes whose sence is doubtfull to vs in such varietie of apprehensions Secondly the remoue is not made from the scripture altogether to the men but so as still we keepe our sure footing vpon the first grounds in the strength and euidence wherof diuine truth both in it selfe and to vs is euermore established Now further to proceede because the Apostle commaunds vs not alwaies to sticke in our first principles we must needes confesse that the vnderstanding of priuat men vnsteedie in discourse and feeble in iudging such high and waightie matters is of it selfe aswell in expounding scripture as setting downe conclusions subiect to manifould errors and heresies And therefore besides those premised groundes from which we take our rise we must be confirmed by such meanes as Christ hath besides prouided for the members of his Church militant here vpon earth Which meanes are braunched into the assistance of Gods spirit within vs and the testimonie of the Church and holie men of God without vs. These speciall helpes God hath prouided for his Church ouer and aboue humane helpes common to Christians with the sonnes of nature The former of these I meane the assistance of Gods spirit for enlightning our vnderstanding and inabling our iudgments is purchased 1. by feruencie of prayer 2. religious exercise 3. holines of life and 4. studious indeuour Yet notwithstanding because both reason and religion ioyned with humilitie will easily perswade that Gods spirit is more fully resident in holy assemblies then priuat mens braines that spirit is to be suspected of singularitie which will not with all reuerence imbrace the testimonie of the Church So then a Christian man studious of truth doth rest his conscience vpon these three witnesses First the euidence of our first principles expressely propounded in scripture and written in the tables of our heartes by the holy Ghost Secondly the assistance of Gods grace and holy spirit promised to euery faithfull soule for confirming his iudgment so far forth as may leade to happines and performe the dueties of that place whereunto he is called Thirdly the testimonie of the Church and holy men of God And these three agree in one But in your last remoue of the question From the text to the interpreter from the scripture vnto the men passing ouer the two former you haue resolued your selfe wholy vpon the worth merit and authoritie of those which are the expositors So that according to your aduise hauing singled out the graund originals and foundations of our two religions and taking as neere as I can a iust estimate of the strength of either I find the odds three to one of our side For although these three witnesses bee so linked togither as rightly taken they be neuer seuered yet least singling them out one from another we should mistake any wee lay fast hold of all three conferring examining and confirming to our selues one by another You contrariwise leane your selfe and rest your conscience onely vpon the third the testimonie of the Church as vpon an infallible ground of all the rest Which if it proue a broken staffe by your mistaking of it either in taking the testimonie of some portion of the visible Church for the whole catholike or secondly an vnsound part for the sound or thirdly misconceauing the churches of former times it will not only deceiue you but the shiuers thereof wound your erronious and naked conscience which easily may befall such a one as is of no longer time or deeper studie then you and I are well knowne to be MOTIVE THe catholike part for the strength of their interpretation alledge the iudgment of the Church the definitions of councels the consent of fathers the harmonie of Churches the practise of all ages and the rule of Apostolicall tradition left by succession as the light through the heauens The Protestantes bring forth the seuerall founders of their sects Luther Caluin Melancthon and others of that straine whose exposition they cleaue vnto Lay this in the ballance and
principles of faith wherein consisteth the summe of all religion These first principles of religion assented vnto by this infused faith as the principles of reason by the light of nature haue taken a deeper impression in the mindes of the faithfull than the voice of the Church or an Angell from heauen could haue made For if we saith Paul the Apostles of Christ nay if an Angell from heauen confirmed in the state of happines should preach any other Gospell that is lay any other principles of religion then be all readie layd let him bee accursed Then somewhat there is of more certaintie to vs then Peter or Paul or any Angell Sinos aut Angelus Thus farre therefore you must of necessitie yeeld vnto vs except you withstand the streame of your owne Doctors that albeit the voice of the Church be a witnesse of this truth without exception yet aboue and beside this the minde of a beleeuing Christian is stroken with a lightning from Heauen inspyred with diuine reuelation enformed with that infused faith which farre surpasseth that former faith gotten by discourse and testimonie of the Church without vs. This is the last resolution of our religion into a principle that standes vpon his own ground to wit into an vndoubted assent of the minde informed by true faith fixed by the holy Ghost vpon the Axioms of Christian religion All that I would say to this point is by your Doctor Stapleton well concluded in one period Fideles enim omnes per vocem ecclesiae inducuntur ad fidem inducti autem lumine inspirationis diuinae illustrati non iam amplius propter Loquelam ecclesiae sed propter Lumen illud diuinum credunt But for more remote conclusions drawen from principles by discourse and tract of consequence because therein to rely vpon speciall reuelation were dangerous we most willingly imbrace the voice of the Church in manner as we haue said to your first motiue alwaies acknowledging Gods spirit to be more fully resident in holy assemblies then priuate braines promising to leade the Church into all truth to be resident where two or three are gathered together in his name which spirit for his part will neuer be wanting if the Church for her part be not defectiue But whether these promises made be absolute or with condition that is suppose the Church will not be led whether the spirit will perforce driue her into all truth Suppose her chieftaines assemble themselues with preiudicate and sinister affections not with that sinceritie which is required whether the spirit will therin assist them Or whether these suppositions be possible that God in regard of our sins will suffer such corruptions to creepe into Synodes as may lead thē into errour in some ages more in some lesse though euermore preseruing life in the principles of religion is the point in question Vpon which issue we denie such a power of not erring to the Church militant as should enforce the mind to giue assent to counsell decrees in the same kind and degree of faith as to the articles of beleefe which remaines more fully to be shewed out of your owne groundes MOTIVE FOr they affirme that the authority of the Church and ministerie of whom their followers receiue the sacred scriptures and their expositours be humane and such as may goe aside into errour and sometimes doe So that of necessitie whosoeuer standeth in the integritie of their opinion either haue no faith at all or else onely humane and errant For they that haue a possible impotencie of erring in one point of faith what assurance can they make of distinction that they doe not erre in all ANSVVERE WE affirme the authoritie of the Church and ministerie to be humane in the same sense as Saint Iohn cals it the testimonie of men If we receiue the testimonie of men the testimonie of God is greater Which testimonie of men was by all consent the testimonie of the Apostles themselues who ioyntly were witnesses of the resurrection of the Lord of life Then if the testimonie of the Apostles be humane I hope in the like sense we may call the authoritie of the Church humane I come at the last to that grand motiue whereupon all the rest depends the omnipotence of not erring Wherein that I may quickly touch the point I spare to proue what is granted for we go along certaine steps together without iarring First it is confessed that any counsell particular or general may erre if it be not confirmed by the Pope Secondly that Pope and counsell may erre in any by matter beside the definitiue sentence principally intended Thirdly that they may errein application of scriptures in illustrations in sequel of argument drawne from scripture to inferre that definitiue sentence Fourthly the definitiue sentence it selfe may be erronious if it be defined onely as a probabilitie not as a point of faith Fiftly though it be concluded as a matter of faith yet there may be errour in the proprietie of speech by superfluitie or want of termes by displacing of wordes or such like Only the verie bare maine sense of the conclusion it selfe is cocke sure from errour Into this narrow straite they confesse themselues to haue been alreadie pursued the consideration of which point me thinkes should cause an indifferent mind to pause a little and thinke it strange at the least that the euident truth of the Church testimonie whereupon all catholike faith must depend that the first principle standing vpon his owne ground into which all religion is to be resolued as into a pure element should be put to so many shiftes and hunted into such a narrow roome But further to vrge you with your owne I demaund from whence a counsels definitiue sentence doth receiue her infallibilitie Either it must be immediately from the spirit of God or else by means of consequence from the text of scripture or article whereupon it groundeth The first is by your selues denied for it is the first and speciall difference Bellarmine putteth twixt counsels Canons and canonicall scripture that the word of God is authorized by immediate reuelation from the spirit but counsels deriue their conclusions by discourse from the word Your champion answered me to this point that indeed God would haue his Church to vse those meanes of discourse and testimonie yet at the vpshot the spirit doth fortifie the conclusion and lets the rest go So I hope Paul did apply his bookes and parchments vsed the meanes of studie and discourse though that which he resolued vpon to put in writing was by the immediate motion of the spirit Therefore still this makes no difference at all Then belike if Bellarmine stand it is the discourse sequele of argument which the conclusion must rely vpon for her certaintie but that also proues a broken staffe euen in your owne iudgements Bellarmine saieth it is erronious and Stapleton resolues vpon it that from erronious arguments counsels doe
principally we appeale to scripture as to the certaine rule and ground of all the rest yet for the true sense and interpretation of scripture we confirme our selues by the consent of the learned in the Church by the analogie of faith and common grounds of beliefe deliuered by the Church and collected by the ancient fathers out of the most plaine vndoubted scriptures by the generall consent of antiquitie by prouinciall and generall counsels which at this day we wish and heartily pray might be called without partialitie but our complaint is the same with Saint Basil and Gregorie Nazianzene in their time that a generall counsell cannot be called with indifferencie in the throng of so many quarrels especially since the head of the strongest faction must needs be possessed with a preiudice in his owne cause These meanes of finding and maintaining the truth of God though taken seuerally they may seeme the weaker yet all or most of them ioyned together are sufficient to rest the consciences of true Catholikes To the perfection where of we labour to attaine forgetting that which is behind and endeuouring to that which is before THE SEVENTH MOTIVE THe diuine prouidence which as a center indifferently extendeth it selfe to the vniuersalitie of things hath allowed euerie creature common strength to preserue his being such is in liuelesse bodies their place or motion or qualities in vegetable their instinct of distinguishing their proper aliment in beastes the iudgement of sense and priuiledge of nature and in man an apprehension censure and proiect from the intelligence of sensible occurrents both in naturall and ciuill bodies The same wisedome and bountie which hath been so enlarged to his seruants cannot be straightned to his children and therefore it is aboue all doubt that he hath set some plaine and certaine direction in his Church both of discerning of heresies when they arise and of auoiding the infection of them neither hath the holy Ghost failed herein for because all the dangers of the Church were chiefly to come from heretikes hee hath drawne in the scripture as in a table the picture of heretikes their apparrell fashion speech and cariage whereby they might be noted vpon the first apparance But among all other Items none is oftener giuen for a marke to discerne them then their difference of doctrine from the former tradition and custome There shall be false teachers which shall bring in heresies 2. Peter 2. 1. If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine Iohn 2. 10. And the contradiction of Corah 1. Tim. 8. If any man teach other wise then that which you haue heard from the beginning Let it abide in you fight for the faith once deliuered keepe the traditions you are taught And if any man would fashion in his wishes a plaine and sensible rule whereby the thickest conceits that are not able to goe betweene truth and errour in the loosest controuersies might determine any question there cannot bee a better fancied then this difference of teaching and innouation of doctrine which he that vnderstandeth not the sense may perceiue by the words the soundes and contradiction of former opinion as men that are skilfull in musicall proportions and being acquainted through vse of song can easily iudge if any chaunge be made therein By this were all heresies apprehended at the first and also arraigned So that Stephanus Bishop of Rome ouerthrew the decree of the councell of Carthage for rebaptising wherein Saint Cyprian was president with his owne rule Ecclesia Dei non habet talem consuetudinem So Luther and Zwinglius and the rest of that crewe were at the first appearing branded by this note for heretikes ANSVVERE THis is the same fallacie with the former applyed another way for as in the last motiue you haue assured the Church of an infallible meanes to define all truth so in this you secure her members likewise of a power with facilitie to discerne heretikes by argument drawen from the generall prouidence of God extending it selfe to all creatures but most of all to his children In which ground there is some truth but entwined with some errours For as in other creatures the diuine prouidence is verie bountifull for the preseruation of their seuerall beings against iniurie and daungers yet for all the power of nature in senceles things or the iudgment of sense in the vnreasonable or the benefit of reason in men they be notwithstanding oftentimes subiect aswell to the pray and violence as to the crafte and deceit of others so is it in the professours of christian faith vnto whom God hath reuealed a meanes to preserue their spirituall being in this state militant more certaine and far more sufficient for them then he hath giuen to any other yet not with such ease facilitie to be enioyed as in this motiue you indeuour to perswade For albeit the Scripture hath not been wanting in describing heretikes so plainly as by way of prophecie could possibly be expressed yet are they not thereby presently knowne vpon the first appearance nor can the thickest conceites so easily iudge of them If you take your markes as you say from their apparell fashion or outward carriage then a sheeps skin drawen ouer a woolfe will easily deceaue you their outward apparance will in euery respect seeme holy and innocent as the sheepe of Christ. Therefore is there neede of a serpents wisedome to discerne them and not that onely but also of diligence and watchfulnesse to espie them For as they come in sheeps skins so come they priuily as Saint Peter noteth in the place by you first mencioned There shalbe false teachers who priuilie shall bring in damnable heresies Which word though it carie the emphasis of the sentence yet is it by you wisely omitted happily because you thought it a note of an heretike not so well beseeming Martin Luther who came not so priuily I wis but open inough and in his owne liknes contrarie to the common fashion of heretikes who first put on a sheepes skin and then creepe into the flock the easier to deceiue Wherefore when that prophecie is fufilled which you haue so fitted vnto these times concerning the doctrine of many false Christs where the bodie is thither will the Eagles resort not owles or bussards but such as haue a quicke eye of faith to discerne the Lord and the swift wing of deuotiō to fly vnto him Nay y e delusions of heresies shal thē grow so strong as nothing shall be able to withstand them but only the eternall election of God For if it were possible the verie elect should be deceiued A small number God knowes in compare of that glorious multitude you so boast of in your fifth motiue yet it seemes these fewe must stand when many great troupes are caried with the doctrine of false Christs Ecce hic ecce illic But these difficulties seeme nothing vnto you who can imagine a direction so plaine against