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A18448 The oration of the most noble and reverende father in God the Lorde Cardinalles Grace of Lorrain made and pronounced in thassemblie [sic] at Poyssi, the kyng beyng present, the sixtene daye of Septembre, in the yeare of our Lorde 1561 / translated out of Frenche into Englishe by T.S. Guise, Charles de, Cardinal de Lorraine, 1525-1574. 1561 (1561) STC 5010.5; ESTC S283 23,800 31

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let out his vineyard to others And the kingdome of heauen which is the church Mat. 13. is compared to nettes that gather fyshe of all sortes whiche shall not be seperated or deuided vntill the nette be ful that is to say in the consummacion and ende of the worlde at what tyme the angels shall seuer the euyll from among the iust 2. tim ● And in this great house there be many vessels some appoynted to honor and some to dishonor To be shorte among the xii Apostles Iudas was reproued and of hym it is writen in the actes that the place of his apostleship should be filled Act. ● Psal 10● as the psalme saithe An other shoulde take his bishoprike And notwithstandyng all these expresse testimonies of the scriptures contrary to this opinion sundry inconueniences haue risen makyng this church to bee vnknowen and fantasticall wherby the state therof shoulde be so vncertaine that neither byshops nor priestes should be certayne no assured baptisme and all the administration of the sacramentes vncertaine For Predestination or reprobation bee among the highest secretes of God the certaine knowledge wherof we can not attain And notwithstandyng this mixture of good and badde together 1. Tim. 3 Ioh 14.16 Mat 16. Mat ●5 Mat. 24 Marc 13 2 The 2 1 Tim 4 1 Tim. 3 2 Pet. 3. Epi 119. ●…p 19. The fame and glorie of the chirche Pro. 40. 2. Re. 22 Ephe. 6. Psal 119. the churche ceaseth not accordyng to the sayeng of S. Paul to be the piller and foundation of the truthe wherin she is throughly instructed by the holy ghost and builded vpon that stone against which hell gates shal neuer preuail with whom IESVS CHRIST her true spouse shall remaine to the worldes ende although she is aduertised by her lorde and by the holye scriptures of the assaultes whiche she shoulde suffer by meanes of false Christes false prophetes false apostles and of the abuses errours and heresies which should inuade her Howbeit as saint Austine answereth very wel to Ianuarius sayeng The Churche beyng sett and placed among so muche chaffe and cockle suffereth many thynges but those thinges that be against the faithe or good life bee not by her in any wise allowed or made wherin she dothe neither howe her peace nor yet dissemble vppon which sence we acknowledge that she can not go out of the waye nor yet erre eyther in the faithe or in good lyfe whiche we confesse and affirme as a thyng that no christian man can denaie and accursed bee he that gothe about to obscure her glorye and fame The firste place and chiefest authoritie belongeth to this shielde whiche is the brandishyng sword of all those that put their trust in God The true light which leadeth and geueth lyghte to our feete 2 Pet. 1 and is the lanterne of our waies and pathes profitable to teache to argue to correcte to instructe a man in iustice that he may be perfect and redy to all the good workes of God and that it is the word of God which abideth and shall abyde for euer 2. Tim. 12 Pet. 10 whiche by the prophetes and apostles hath been preached vnto vs. Moreouer with this we acknowledge his spirite that geueth lyfe and not the dead letter that kylleth 21. Co 3 And to vse saynt Hieromes owne wordes Lett vs not thynke saith he that the Gospell is in the wordes of the Scripture but in the sence thereof It is in the marowe not in the barke or outwarde apparaunce of letters in the roote of truth not in the leaues of wordes And this woorde of God we say is of more antiquitie and before the churche as it appeareth in the creation of the worlde and in the commandementes made to our fyrst father howe be it the churche was long beefore any written woorde For Moyses was the fyrst that dyd put the ordinances of God in writyng And our sauiour CHRIST beyng a long space in the worlde And after his departure in long successe of time his worde was taught and preached by the Apostles after his ascention before they beganne to write whyche gyueth vs to vnderstande that the worde of God is as well to bee receyued and acknowledged of vs which is delyuered vs by the traditions of the Apostles and their successoures vnwritten as that whyche is lefte vnto vs in writyng 8. The. 2 And we ought saithe Saint Paule to bold faste the traditions whiche we haue been taughte eyther by woorde or sent by Epistle In lyke sorte as commandement to obeye and kepe theym is geuen in the Actes of Thapostles Act 15. 1. Cor. 11 And agaynste suche holye traditions yf any be founde contentious lette it be sayde vnto hym for a full aunswere we nor the Churche of God haue no suche custome by aucthoritie whereof wee knowe what Scriptures bee Canonicall Vincēt Lyrinēsis and what bee Apocriphall The Cannon whereof althoughe it bee perfecte and sufficiente yet oughte not the auctoritie of the vnderstandyng of the Churche to bee coumpted superfluous for that the holye and sacred Scripture by reason of her hyghenesse and maiestie is not all together receyued in one sence and vnderstandyng by reason of the diuersitie of opinyons in sundrye sortes of menne Wherefore it is very necessarye to addresse the ligne of thinterpretation of the Prophetes and Apostles accordynge to the trewe rule and exposition of the Catholike Churche quod vbique I speake namelye of this churche Catholike to the ende that gatherynge the force and meanyng of the woorde we maye holde that for Catholike and vniuersall whyche hath ben in all places where the Gospelle hathe been preached quod sēper quod ab omnibꝰ beleued whiche alwaies and in all tymes from the tyme of IESVS CHRIST vnto oure tyme of all menne hathe been approued and allowed whiche ordre wee pourpose to followe and practise In Vniuersalitie if we dooe confesse that to bee the trewe faithe whiche thole churche throughout the worlde dothe confesse In Antiquitie meanyng that whiche hath been sayde and spoken in all tymes yf we doo receiue none other sence and interpretation then that whiche oure honorable forefathers haue approued In Consente whiche I speake generally of that antiquitie wherin we doo folowe the definitions and opinions of all the holy Martyrs Byshops and priests Aug ep 118. cap. 1 ad Ianuarium Act 15. Theffect and description of general counselles Mat. 18. chrysologus ser 132. Nice li. 15. ca. 19. and all other our auncient masters and instructours THIS causeth me to speake of the Councels especially of those that be generall the authoritie and vsage whereof hath alwais ben very holsome and profitable in the church the same beyng instituted by God frō whō their auctoritie procedeth first practised put in vse by the apostles as appereth in their actes Al which being well considered what other thyng is it thā an assemble of all the pastors doctors before
sundry ages because we shall fynde theym all to agree In the firste hundred yeares let vs appeale and calle for the apostelles and their successours as S. Clement s Ignatius and s Denis In the second hundred Alexander the firste Iustine Ireneus Tertullian Origene and Cyprian In the thirde hundred yeares Arnobius Lactantius Eusebius Athanasius sainct Hyllarie Emissene Isichius Nazianzene S. Ambrose S. Hierom S. Augustin S. Iohn Chrysostom In the fourth hundreth Leo the great Prosper Theodorite and Cyrill And in the .v. hundred let vs come to S. Gregorie further more if ye will let vs call Damascene and long after hym S. Bernard These shal be the iudges of our controuersies which be not to be suspected and of those which be most notable and ancient ye shal haue a brefe repetitiō or recital to thintent ye may acknowledge that by the cōmune vniuersal agreement of the holie Fathers there is no place or occasiō lefte vnto vs herein Hilla li. ● de trinitate to doubte of the veritie of this body blood For by the words of our lord by our faith It is verily flesh verily blood which beyng receiued Accepta ait hausta doo so worke and make that we be in hym and he in vs. Is not this tho truthe But this can not be true to them which wholly deny Iesus Christ to be very God and to be the same which hath alwaies been in the churche of God so generally in all mens mouthes that amonge the sacramentes of the cōmune faith the veritie of the body and blood of IESVS CHRIST was not had in silence no not by the mouthes of infantes Leo epi● 13 vnto whom as to all other for otherwise we shold not beleue it much lesse vnderstand the same it was and is daiely saied and shall be vttered by the moste graue authoritie of the Churche that the same which is taken of the fruites of the earth and in the celebration of this sacrament placed vpon thaltare receiued after the custome of religion consecrated by mysticall praier offred and geuen and after the celebration finished as it appertayneth receiued to spirituall saluation vsed or consumed in the remembrance of the passion is the body and bloode of Iesus Christ whiche we perfectely beleue hath appeared in the kynde of humaine fleshe and that this likour or drinke did runne downe and distill from the side of him that was perced vpon the crosse Augu. li. 3. de trinite 4. 10 These good Fathers I say did teache their Auditorie to doubte nothyng at all before they should communicate at this holie table of the veritie of the body and blood of IESVS CHRIST Iohn 19 Leo sermo 6. de Ieiu 7. mens Chrys hom 7. operis impfect 1. Cor. 1. Isychius Leui. 22 For that is by the mouthe receyued whyche by the harte is beleued And in vaine they answer Amen which disputeth against that whiche they receaue They made no difficultie to saie that by the hande of the priest there is geuen and receaued not onely that which is seen and sanctified by him that gaue it but also that whiche there is vnderstanded is that sanctification whiche sanctifieth the receauour euen the bodye without doubt of our Lorde whiche as Sainct Paule writeth was made a sanctification for vs by the Father Contrary wise doo they affirme that he which ignorantly or through ignorance receaueth this holy misterie there not withstandyng he knoweth not the vertue thereof yet the same is the true bodye and bloode of our Lorde IESVS CHRIST In this wise thus plainly did the holy doctors both Greke and Latine speake touching this matter now long sithens Whose words specially of som of them we haue repeted so faithfully as we coulde So plainly I say haue our ancient fathers writen that one of them beyng the first Berēgarius apud Gu. Malingberien lib. 3 de gestis Anglo which long time after thē did otherwise teach that is to say that the body blood of Iesus Christ was none otherwise in this sacramēt but as a token or signe And after he had therof wel aduised himselfe disputed reasoned did not only in his lyfe time chāge his opinion but also at the point of deth which is the time to confesse the truth or neuer in his last words affirmīg stedfastly spake as foloweth Truly we beleue these misteries after the benedictiō or ecclesiastical cōsecration to be the very body blood of our sauior being induced and perswaded to beleue the same by thauctoritie of thancient churche We thā beleue cōfesse acording to the saying of the scripture and of the holy fathers that the body blood of Iesus Christ by thunspeakable operation of the grace of god the power of his holy spirite is in these holy misteries present geuen receiued we passe ouer to speake of the greatnes therof Chrysoh●… i. 8● in Mat. Wherby we shold seme to make our lord to be here outwardly visible sensible or perceptible Nothing saieth a holy father is here geuen vnto vs sensible but vnder visible sygnes inuisible thinges are there deliuered vnto vs. Ho. 60 ad popu antioch We absteine also from such maner of speache whereby contrary wise we might here seme onely to represent oure said sauiour being absent as in a tragedy or comedy Truely the maner and facion wherby he doth here present him selfe to vs wherby he geueth himself The maner of Christhi being in the sacrament Iohn 1. Cy. li. 4. in l 3. ca 1 14. Cy. Lu. 22 citāte Tho. 3 parte que 25 articu 1. Ioan. 6 where by he is receiued and participated is secret not humaine or natural and yet not therfore the lesse true We comprehend it not by sence reason or nature but by faith By which as the holy counsel of Nice the first of the foure chiefest dooth teache vs not to basely respectinge the visible elementes but lifting vppe the spirit we consider by faith the lābe of god to be there set in this holy table taking away the sinne of the world and truly we there receaue his precious body and bloud Better it is to follow the councell of the auncientes firmely to beleue the wordes of oure lorde god leauing vnto god of this his worke the meane the way and knowledge then in so highe a matter to thinke or vtter this Iewish word Quamodo a worde I saye of incredulitie perdition to the Iewes such as follow them Beleue saith the holy fathers vpō these words so often repeted Hoc est corpus meum Make no doubte thereat whether they bee true but receaue by faith the saying of our sauiour For seing that he is the truth Bernat ser 2 de caena he cannot lye Greate meruelies my brethern and thinges to be wondered at are saide of this sacramēt faith is there necessary Reason superfluous knowledge doth builde her foundation vpon