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A09101 A discouerie of I. Nicols minister, misreported a Iesuite, latelye recanted in the Tower of London Wherin besides the declaration of the man, is contayned a ful answere to his recantation, with a confutation of his slaunders, and proofe of the contraries, in the Pope, cardinals, clergie, students, and priuate men of Rome. There is also added a reproofe of an oratiuon and sermon, falsely presented by the sayd Nicols to be made in Rome, and presented to the Pope in his consistorye. Wherto is annexed a late information from Rome touchng [sic] the aute[n]tical copie of Nicols recantation. Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610. 1581 (1581) STC 19402; ESTC S120349 83,096 196

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The true Churche is visible as hath bene saide that is that no man can be saued excepte he repaire vnto h●● enter into her heare her obeye her and the like Cyp. li. de simpli Ire ep 1. ad Dā Aug. li. 4. de bap● ca. 1. they doe deduce I saye by infallible consequence that this Church or Congregation must be visible to mans eyes Otherwise howe shall we repayre vnto her whom we cannot sée how can we complaine vnto her Math. 18. as Scripture biddeth vs whye shall we be damne●●or disobeying her as Christ threatneth vs 1. Cor. 15. How shall we receaue the Sacramentes and true inter●retation of Scripture from her if she be inuisible Act. 20. Howe dyd S. Paul persecute the true Churche of Christ Aug in psa 30. 47. 44. li 2. ●ō Pet. cap. 32. tract 1. 2. in ep ad Io. Orig. ho. 30 in math● Chris. ho 4 in ca● 6. Esa. How doth he say that God hath put Bishops and Pastors t● gouerne it if it be inuisible The holye Fathers of the primatiue Churche haue laboured much in this pointe against heretiques whoe alwayes had this shifte to say that the true Church was inuisible and therfore their obscure and new vpstarte congregations might be it Wherof S. Austen writeth at large against the Donatistes● But the saide Fathers ouerthrew this refuge of hereticks by many places of scripture As where the Church is promised to be a hil vpon the toppe of all other hilles Esa. 2. Deu. 2. Mich. 4. Psal. 18. Math 5. 1. Tim. 3. Math. 18. Gen. 22. Aug. tract 19. in epist. Ioan. Ier. in haec ōnia loca a tabernacle of God placed in the soone a citie inobscurable builte vpon a mountayne a piller of trueth erected for all men to repayre vnto and a benediction for al nations to participate of as wel Iewe and Gentile as others By which and like places of scripture the holy Fathers do proue that the true Church of Christ is not inuisible but soe visible and subiect to al mens sightes as al may know her repayre vnto her enter into her heare her obay her and follow her that will excepte heretickes only as S. Austen sayeth Aug. li. de vnit cont Pe●il ca. 14. in Psal. 32. Whoe doe blind them selues and will not see soe greate a hill and if they do see her yet they runne from her according to the spalme They saw me and yet ranne out from me Fowrthly the Catholicks doe deduce of the premisses that The true visible Church cannot erre if this trew visible Church of Christ haue soe greate priuiledges from him as to be his spouse and his owne body as is sayed before also if no man can be saued but by repayringe to her and obaying her direction then is it necessarie that Christ shoulde according to his promise soe gouerne her by his holy spirite Au in Psal. 147. de vnit eccle ca. 13 20. Math. 28. and directe her vnto the end by continuall assistance as she may neuer be deceaued in doctrine of faith or bring her childrē into errour For otherwise she mighte become of the spouse of Christ a stromp●t and an apos●ata as the Donatistes sayed she was in their time and as Luther sayed she was in his time S. Austē detesteth all su●h as say soe Conc. 2. in Psal. 101. 1. Tim. 3. and soe Christ his Kingdome should perish and the worke of his passion become frustrate also otherwise whye is she called by the Apostle a piller of trueth for vs to repayre vnto in all doubtes and why are al men commaunded vnder payne of damnation to heare and obey her Math. 18. if she may erre and deceaue those that take directiō from her Leo ep 31. Math. 3. ●3 Moreouer if this visible Church might erre and soe perishe how then shall the barne floore contayninge corne and chaffe The corne ●●●de Ephe. 4. Aug. li 22. de ciui ca. 15. 18. contayninge wheat and cockle vnderstoode literallye of this visible Church remayne vnto y● end of the world as Christ affermeth that they sha●l How doth S. Paul say t●at this visible Church shal cōtin●w vnder visible pastours and teachers vntill we méete all in vnitie of faith c. Finally reade S. Austen only of this absurditie That Church saithe he which was the Church of all Nations Aug. in ●sa● 101. cōcio 2. vide Chris. ho. 4. inca 6 Esa. ● Orig ho. 3. in mat is she not now Is she perished they saye soe that are not in her O impudent speech is she not because thou arte not in her nay see least thou be not in her for saying so For she shall be though thou be not Fifthly Catholiques doe deduce out of the premisses that séeing the knowledge finding out of this true Church The necessitie of infallible mar●es to knowe the Churche is soe necessarie to all men as hath bene sayd and as noe man can be saued without it it is certaine that Christ hath left ●ome such manifest sure and infallible markes to knowe this true Church and Congregation from all other congregations in the world as no man maye be deceaued therin excepte he will wilfully blinde him selfe This is agréeable bothe to the mercy and iustice of Christ whoe forsawe in his prouidence the doutes that would rise about this matter For which cause also S. Aus●en sayth Aug. in psal 32. That the holy Prophetes spake more plainer of this Church thē of christ him selfe Foreseeing that more controuersies should rise about the Church then about Christ c. Of these markes therfore we are nowe to entreate so farre as Nicols geueth vs occasion Which thing because it is of al other of most importance for the true Church once found Why here●iques are soe angerie with the markes of the Churche all other controuersies are ended the heretique striuethe moste in this pointe to auoide the true markes which descrye his estate and to forge other markes which are noe markes at all nor any waye to be found in his church but yet may be chalenged by him and not soe euedently improued by the contrarie parte But for the examination bothe of his our markes Three properties of true markes it is to be noted that true markes of the Church should haue these thrée cōditions or properties at the least First that the marke should be better knowen and easier to be found out then the thing marked by it For otherwise it could be no good marke being more or no lesse obscure then the thing it selfe which it ought to make manifest vnto vs. Secondly that the marke be proper only to the thing marked and not comon to many other for thē it should no more make manifest the thing we séeke for then any other Thirdly that the marke be suche as our forefathers vsed in the Primatiue Church to proue their
A Discouerie of I. Nicols minister misreported a Iesuite latelye recanted in the Tower of London Wherin besides the declaration of the man is con●ayned a ful answere to his recantation with a con●utation of his slaunders and proofe of the contraries in the Pope Cardinals Clergie Studentes and priuate men of Rome There is also added a reproofe of an oration and sermon falsely pretended by the sayd Nicols to be made in Rome and presented to the Pope in his Consistorye Wherto is annexed a late information from Rome touch●ng the autētical copie of Nicols recantation IHS God hathe exalted him and geuen him a name whiche is aboue all names Philippens 2.ver.9 There is no other name vnder heauen geuen vnto men wherin we must be saued Act. 4 ver 12 A lyeing witnes shall haue an yuel ende Pro. 21. An non ex hac odiosa impudentia pullulabit mox impoenitentia mater desperationis Bern. Ser. 42. in Can. 1 A preface shewing different proceeding in ●atholicks and their aduersaries with a diuision of the booke into three partes 2 The firste parte contayneth a narration of Iohn Nicolls with a refutation of certayne vayne and false vauntes made of him selfe 3 The seconde parte contayneth a confutation of many malitious slaunders vttered by Nicolls againste Catboliques but especiallie and more in particuler against the Pope the Cardinals priestes and religious men the English studentes in Rome diuers particuler persons and againste the cittye of Rome it selfe where also the contraries to Nicols reportes are declared 4 The third parte contayneth an explication and defence of certayne controuersies misunderstood and absurdly peruerted by Nicols 5 Nicols oration sermon published in english since the writing of this booke pretended by him as made in Rome presented to the Pope are conuinced of forgery by manifest absurdities impossibilities and contradictions 6 Also there is added a late information from Rome of the true copie of Nicols recantation in that place 7 Lastly there is put downe an example 〈◊〉 a tast of Nicols talent in rayling at both sides TO the indifferente Reader IT IS one poynte among other o● very bare brokers to extol immoderatly very base wares And it is not the guise but of needye distressed warryers The aduersaries pouertie to receaue wi●h trōpet to place of dignitie euerie ragged and wandering fugitiue Which two thinges notwithstanding with no smal discredite of their owne cause some aduersaries of ours haue followed of late in soe greedye receauing and aduauncinge to the pulpet with measureles commendation one Iohn Nicoles farre vnfitte in mine opinion for soe great a doe beinge but a reiected thing of the contrarie parte a séelie grammarian and twise reuolted minister Whose recantation or rayling rather inuectiue published not long since from the Tower of London In februarie Ano. 1581. I coulde more willinglye haue pittied then aunswered knowing the mans féeblenes as I doe but only for that he surchargeth with slaunder soe manie other men yea Princes and states in that his declamation as it was harde for me whiche before god in my conscienes knewe all or moste of it to be forged to hould my peace in soe manyfest vntruthes and by silence to yelde credite to the manye malytious and reproche●ul reportes The dealing also of our aduersaries in this case and she like moued me not a little to answere whoe shame not to proclaime triumphes vpon soe base conquestes against their mother the Catholique Church whoe hath borne them and brought them vp and whoe if she would but a litle folow the same course Different dealing in Catholiques their aduersaries not in falshed and malice as they doe but in euident truthe ether by noting the knowen vices of her enemies which rather she soroweth and hartely be wayleth or in vaunting the gaine of suche as daylye by goddes g●ace returne againe from rebellion she might easely in bothe these things matche and ouermatche the lauishe tōgues of her reuoulted children were she not restrained by charytie in the one and by grauitie in the other For touching the first who doth not knowe that if in lewe of this and the like t●● notable infamous a●tes of ministers preachers onlye in this one Realme of Englande for the space of one doson years past Looke the crowne off●●● and other lyke recordes w●re ga●hered into some one booke ●or the vewe of the worlde they would be more in quantitie and in qualitie more haynous then al that they haue gathered by great laboure muche falshod in their seueral bookes out of the liues of the worste Catholiques for these thowsand yeres past ouer all the whole worlde And yet these men ●or●oothe came as prophetes to re●orme vs and our f●thers liues and ther●ore in reason should haue liued more exactly them selues And touching the second who dothe not sée the great varietie of important learned personages which from time to time vppon trial of the truthe doe retourn● vnto vs euen from their ministerie and they also of other qualitie and talente then séelye Iohn Nicols whoe in good soothe is not worthe the taking vp being sounde in the stréete and yet we vaunt not of eache thing in printe nor sturre we tragedies vpon litle trifles We are contente to leaue this to our aduersaries whose fraude or feruor is to make mountaines of molehilles and greate speache vppon small matter If any man wil doubt wh●ther such returne of Protestantes be made vnto vs or noe as I noted before passing ouer other places let him cast his eye but vpon these Seminaries and Colleges on this side the seas where English studentes are and he shal finde a great and principal part therof to haue bene in times past not onely of there religion but also towardes there ministerie Ministrye to Preisthode whoe on the contrary can not shew me any one Préest in these later yeres perverted by them I add in these later yeres for that albeit in the beginning of heresie when first the banner of sedition was raysed agaynst the Church great multitudes of people reuolted together as in al commotions is wonte to happe by some generall fa●se sugg●stion of the principal rebels Cause of former reuolting and present re●urninge yet afterward the heate being past and more calmer consideration coming in place men haue staied them selues and harkened to the cause and diuers also returned which in the first furie ranne out with the rest of which two sortes both the one and the other remayne better fortified for resisting of lyke error for the time to come The meanes which haue bene vsed generally to preistes taken these later yeres for I wil conceale tower matters in particuler for the withdrawing of them in religion haue bene many and strong and qualified in both extremities of rigor and alluremēt promises and minaces and yet so great is God his goodnes no one I say not any one hath vnto this day faultered But of ministers
o●fer it Of the Cardinals Next after the Pope let vs sée what Iohn Nicols bringeth against the Cardinales Wherein I muste be shorter then in the other before both for that I haue not so● muche spare time as Ihon Nicols in the Tower maye haue as also to obey the wise mans counsaile Prou. 26. Answer not a foole according to his folye leste thou also becume like vnto hin Which sentence that I bring not against Ihon Nicols without iust cause shall appeare by his maner of accusing the Cardinals which is very fowle as foloweth First sayth he I will beginne with your Cardinales the pillars of your churche Haue not they bewtifull boyes with whome they committ the sinne of Sodome as I haue harde by the Romans How this sinn is punished in Rome ●ee after in the answer to Rome and by a gentelman whoe serued to Cardinal Sfoisie who trauailed by land with me from the cittie of Ancona to Venice haue not these younge Cardinales pretye wenches in their palaces An improb●ble slaunder whome in the daye time they cal ether their sisters or cosins and in the night time make them ether their bedfelowes or concubins And doe you not knowe how that there was a younge Cardinale a Prince An impuden●●lye burnte at Rome not longe since by a common queane of the s●ewes and tooke from her the frenche disease wherwith he dyed miserablye This is Iohn Nicols vncleane accusation of the Cardinals grounded only as you sée vppon a bare interrogation which alwayes may be answered iu●siciently with a No. But for that I wil not imitate his slanderous maner of dealing I meane to add proofe and reason to my Noe. Yet first I am enforced to complaine of some other men whose wisdom or grauitey should haue stayed the publishinge of suche scurrilitie as héere is put downe against soe many honarable parsons and some Princes also without anie proofe or reason at all I doe apeale héerin to the consciences of al modest and ciuil gentelmen be they of what opinion in religion soeuer The publishing of Nicols scurrilitie against lawe both of nature and Nations Whether it be not against al lawe both of nature and nations and against the dignitie of our kinde being men to suffer soe shameles filthe both lothsum and intollerable to any chaste eares without all proofe to be caste out against soe noble parsonages which neuer offended vs and to be published in printe to the vewe of the worlde If some wicked mann should aduenture the like against vs● in other countries and should set downe such particulariteis of dishonestie ether heard or deuised against our Nobilitie and Maiestrates and shoulde offer to printe it would not very natural shamfastnes cause men to suppresse it were they neuer soe contrarie in religion yes surely For there is humane respecte to be vsed euen towardes our enemies Although therfore the base spirite of Nicols shamed not to set abroche suche dregges of dishonestie to the reproche of soe manie woorthy men yet me thinketh respecte of common ciuilitie should haue moued those by whose allowance the matter passed to haue stayed or qualified soe reprochfull infamies powred out without certainty or ground of truth For what doth he bring for proofe of his reproches but only an vncertaine hear-say the reporte of a wandring seruing man if it be true as I think it false that any such conferred with him And is this sufficient to publish the auouchmēt of y● infamous horible crime against al Cardinales without exception The whole matter is quikly answered For the first poynte is a méere supposall suggested by enuie and vttered by malice For the Cardinales kéepe noe suche b●wtiful boyes nether is ther anie light suspition of such wickednes in anye of them and if thers were they could not esape the seueritis of iustice excersised in that place vppon this detestable sinne The second poynt is an improbable slaunder for that Cardinales keepe no women at all in their howses noe not their owne sisters Nether shall a man see any woman repayre to any Cardinals howse excepte vppon special knowen busines in the companie of men with whom they departe presently againe and yet this thing is soe rare a matter also as in mani● yeares you shal not sée some fewe to vse it The third poynt of the young Prince Cardinale is an impudent and apparentlye reprouable in the face of al the worlde For there was no young Prince Cardinal in Rome these manie yeares but onlye about three yeares past Card. A●striacus the Cardinal of Austria cossen german to the Emporour whoe albeit he were younge yet according to his vertuouse education he liued in Rome most innocently as also he dothe nowe in the courte of Spaine without al spote of such infamie as Ihon Nicols would enforce vppon him But ●et Nicols name the man that dyed in Rome and proue but this one reproche ●o be true and I wil yéelde in al the rest ●ut if he cannot then let him be sory that ●e hath reported it or his fauorers that they haue published it or at least the simple reader that he euer beléeued it being soe ●niust a slaunder And albeit this might stand for a suff●cient aunswere to soe vnsufficient an accusation yet for the more satisfaction of the reader and to shewe how farre of the liues of Cardinals are from occasiōs of thes obiected abhominations being al together occupied in vertuous affaires I wil touch bréefely the order of life and cōmon excersises of the most of the Cardinals The excersises of Cardinals in Rome● with their particuler inclinatiōs which for the most part is in one of thes fower kinde of vertuous excersises following that t s to saye in gouerning the Church in aduauncing learning in excersise of charitable deedes and in rare example of Pastorall lyfe In eche wherof albeit I name but few which are principal and alwayes present at Rome yet muste you vnderstande that these men haue their adherentes and followers bothe in Rome and abroad in other coūtries also Wisdome in gouernment And for the first which is gouerment I wil name only thrée that is Cardinal Como Sauello and Morono whose singuler giftes in that matter doe excell Cardinal Como Como is Secretarie to the Pope and directeth all actions of state which passe from him Cardi. Sauello Sauello is Uicar generall in spiritual matters and gouerneth the Cleargie with great zeale and sinceritie Card● Morono Morono is deane of the Consistorie and is commonly employed in Embassages abrode wherin he hath shewed him selfe a man of great valewe especially in his last iornie to Genua about 4. yeares past when by long laboure and peril to his owne parson he quieted set at vnion by the helpe of Benedictus Palmius of the Societie of Iesus the cittezens of Genua soe farr in discord amongest them selues the commonaltie against the gentelmen as it