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A09109 A temperate vvard-vvord, to the turbulent and seditious VVach-word of Sir Francis Hastinges knight vvho indeuoreth to slaunder the vvhole Catholique cause, & all professors therof, both at home and abrode. Reduced into eight seueral encounters, vvith a particuler speeche directed to the Lordes of her Maiesties most honorable Councel. To vvhome the arbitriment of the vvhole is remitted. By N.D. Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610. 1599 (1599) STC 19415; ESTC S114162 126,552 136

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made vnfit to be eatē yet eateth the same he is cōdēned for that he doth not according to his own iudgment and beleef And after all he concludeth his speach with this general proposition omne autem quod non est ex fide peccatum est all that is not according to a mannes beleef and conscience is sinne for so expound this sentence Origen Saint Ambros Saint Chrisostom and other fathers and not to signifie that all the woorkes of Infidels donne without faith should be sinne though Saint Augustin apply it also to that sense sometimes but the other sense is the literal and most true as appeareth manifestly by the whole discours of Saint Paule Of all which insueth that no man may do against his conscience though it were awry Not for that a wrong conscience excuseth in all cases for that is a different question but for that a wrong conscience byndeth euermore and some tymes excuseth also when it proceedeth of inuincible ignorance But howsoeuer it cometh by right or wrong information no man may go agaynst it without sin so long as he cannot perswade it to change and if this be so how much more are the recusant Catholiques of England bound to follow their consciences in the poynt they stand in for not going to churche being founded vpon so sure and euident growndes as any demonstration in the world can lay downe for proof of any manifest truth what so euer as for example first that the religion they professe is true and the only truth that among Christians is to be found and secondly that they being of that religion maie not dissemble or seem to professe any other by going to their seruice sermons or churches and hereby also appeareth how great impietie and folly it is for any man to inforce them thereunto as our barbarous knight would haue the English magistrate to do I saie it is impietie to inforce any Christian to do an acte agaynst his conscience and beleef for that it is to inforce him to his damnation as Saynt Paul before hath taught vs I saie also it is folly for that by drawing mens bodies to church by violence their myndes being repugnant nothing is gayned at all but more internal hatred and rancor rather enkindled and the infotcers are made pertakers of the others sinnes and damnation And further the Protestantes do greatly hereby discredit their owne doctrin which they were wont to teach that no man should be forced in matters of his conscience And more ouer they do shew hereby vnto the world that they seeke not the inward man but the vtter shew body with what great repugnāce soeuer it be of the soule which is quyt contratie to all pietie and a most base manner of proceeding in respect of the Catholique vsage which albeit it punisheth such as do wilfully and obstinatly leaue the vniuersal anciēt faith of Christendome which once they haue receyued and sworne vnto yet as long as they are euill perswaded of the same they are not only not forced to Catholique churches or to hearing of masses participation of Sacramentes or to other lyke exercyses of contrarie religion but are barred also though they would come if they be supposed to come with repugnance or that there be any least suspition that they go f●ynedly or agaynst their willes for that their soule and mynde is sought in Catholique religion and not the body only And this maie be sufficient for repelling Sir Francis first charge against English recusantes concerning the present hurt he saieth they do in England by geuing others example to follow their consciences and not to dissemble And by giuing them example of good life of modest behaueor of patience in aduersitie of corage in Gods cause of contempe of earthly prosperitie of care of their saluatiō of feare of Gods iudgementes of fidelitie in following the direction of their consciences of magnanimitie in not yelding to betraye their owne cause and beleefe all which is conteyned in the most excellent and heroical act of the refusing to go to churches and seruice of a different Religion In which poynt of refusal also the Puritanes were wont to concurre with Catholiques for defence of their profession but it may be they haue thought it best now to alter that course for that as they haue no other grownd of their religion but their owne iudgment so it byndeth them no further then they list and that it standeth with their comoditie and it may be that in this poynt now they haue thought it best to follow those whome Christ sayth temporales sunt in tempore tentationis recedunt they are according as the tyme serueth do retyre in tyme of tryal or persecutiō I come then to the second charge which our knight geueth vpon our recusantes about the hurtes that he will needes haue men beleeue they would do if they could of which he writeth thus Touching the hurt they would do who doubteth but they would haue vp their masse agayne and bannish the syncere worship of God their whole Catholique gouernment and religion I am sure they long for And yet to pronounce these men to carye holow hartes to Queen Elizabeth is thought to be an vncharitable sentence Do you see how wyse a charge this is and how learnedly proued Yf a mā should reason thus agaynst him his brother the Earle that died not longe agone in Yorke you both are puritanes in religion as you are taken and consequently no man can dout but that you would haue vp your geneuian disciplinarie for me of gouernment whereby all the Bishops in England must be pulled downe and other Ecclesiastical dignities discomposed the Queenes Supremacie also must be taken away and other like pointes of the English churche ouerthrowen whereby a man may pronounce that you cary but holow hartes to the present state and to the Queen Elizabeth notwithstanding all your flatterie And this is an argument Sir Francis which logicians call ad hominem in which kinde I could vrge you yet further and make you scratche your head towching wishes and bearing hollow hartes towardes Queen Elizabeth and her gouernment if I would follow presumptions as you do against recusantes for that besides your religion if a man consider whence you descend and what pretences be or may be about succession it is not hard to ghesse what your wishes may be to haue Queen Elizabeth or some other person to sit in her place and yet to pronounce you to carry a hollow harte to Queen Elizabeth as you say in iest that it is thought to be an vncharitable sentence and I say it in earnest quia charitas non cogitat malum sayth Saint Paule charity iudgeth not the worst of things and so I wil not iudge what wishes you haue or may haue only I wil tel you that if you haue any in this later kinde they are more perilous and preiudicial to Queen
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THE FIRST INCOVNTER ABOVT THE BLESSINGES AND BENEDICTIONS vvhich Sir Francis affirmeth to haue come to England by the change of Catholique Religion WITTIE was the answer of him who being demaunded what enimy was to be holden for most perilous and pernitious sayd that of domestical enemies the flatterer for that his wound is receiued commonlie with delectation and by couering the truth and praysing the vices and imperfections of the party flattered he doth lead him pleasantly and without resistance to perdition And as this is true in particuler men as all the world doth experiēce daily so much more hath it his effect in great communities and common wealthes where the greater part being lightly of the simpler and more imperfect sort they are easily caried away with the poysoned melody of these Sirens songes of adulatiō so he that will read ouer the stories of the beginninges proceedinges fall and ouerthrow of realmes and countries shal find the principall root of their ruine or changes to haue bin the eare and credit giuen to flatterers before the sincere coūcell of them that spake more plainlie though les pleasantlie Let the onl●e example of the people of Israell serue for this tyme who being often told by holie men and prophets of God of their dangerous estate would neuer beleeue them but harkened rather vnto flatterers that smoothed all and told them of blessinges in so much as God himself resolued one daie to saie plainlie vnto them though it profited little P●pule meus qui te beatum dicunt ipsi te decipiunt viam gressuum tuoru● dissipant My people they who say thou art happie they are those that deceiue thee and doe mar the way where thou art to passe therby to ouerthrow thee He that will consider with iudgemēt and indifferencie the present estate of matters in England and round about it this especially by reason of change made in religion shal read together the flearing tale which Sir Francis Hastinges telleth vs in the first lynes of his booke of the i●finit and innumerable blessinges receiued as he saith by the sayd change he will either say that the man lacked witte and discourse to see the deformitie and contradiction of his owne talke or els modestie and shame fastnesse in vttering it For notwithstanding the rare partes and good intentions of her Maiestie in this her gouernement which no man denieth nor yet conioyneth with the euil successe of this alteration of religion as well knowen not to haue proceeded of her owne inclination at the beginning who is there so simple that discouereth not or so euil affected that rueth not from his harte the difficulties alredy growen and growing daily by this most vnfortunate and fatall alteration of religion which this man calleth The fountaine and wellspring whence all the rest of this our little Ilandes benefites and blessinges doe issue and flow Nay doth not the seely fellow himself in all this furious and scornefull libell of his indeuour to lay before vs a thowsand feares and frightes of imminent perilles which he saieth hang ouer vs by the diuision of hartes of handes of iudgementes of affections of partes and partial●ties and factions within the realme Or is his whole argument any thing els in effect but a timerous abodement of infinite ruines that doe beset the realme at this day And are not his owne wordes these after a long discourse of perilles I doubt not deare countriemen but that you are men of wisdome and can easilye conceyue what dangers we stand in by that which hath bin set downe before And a little after The life of Religion of Queen Countrie is at the stake c. And how then doth he pype vnto vs this feigned note of melancholie musike amiddest so many dreadfull cares and sorrowes hath he not redde that Musica in luctu importuna narratio it is importun chaunting when other men are weeping but let vs heare his manner of speache If I should take vpon me sayth he to enter into the enumeration of all the benefites and blessinges that from the almigh●i haue bin powred vpon this little Island of England c. Here Sir Knight seing you mention our little Island you must take in Scotland also or els you erre in Cosmographie and then your meaning must be that Scotland in like manner as well as we hath tasted of the same benedictiōs by change of religion as no doubt but it hath with all other regions and countryes neere about vs who being quiet before and setled in one vniuersall and generall religion did by Englandes alteration receyue the like impression and motion in themselues yet more then the rest by their neerenesse Scotland Ireland Flanders and Fraunce Into the enumeration of all which countryes miseries tumultes calamities and desolations happened by that chaunge if I should enter with Sir Fraūcis to recount them I should finde a far more ample subiect to inlarge my self vpon then he in recyting his blessinges though he descended vnto verie poore ones For to begin with Scotland and to say nothing of the Battailes Murders destruction of Countries Prouinces Townes Citties Howses and particuler Men which we haue seen in that Realme within thes fourtie yeares that the change of religion hath bin attempted no man can deny but that three Princes two Queenes and one King the Mother Daughter and Husband haue bin all brought to their bane by this occasion besides the ouerthrow and change of so many Noble Howses and Linages as Scotish-men can recount mong their Hamiltons Dougleses Stewardes and others as also the Irish will tell of their Noble Desmondes and other Peeres destroied But Flaunders Fraunce haue no end at all in these coumptes when they begin they are so many And all this as they say and is euident by the Lamentable consequence of our change of Religion in Englād which drew them after vs or at least-wyse gaue example hart and help to their change and euersion also But not to steppe frō England it self wher principally this blessing bringer doth vaunt that his blessings are powred out in abundance let vs examine the matter indifferentlie among our selues we are English-men and we talke to men of the same language and nation that know the countrie and condition therof and many haue seen the change and knew the stare of thinges therein before the alteration or at least-wyse haue heard thereof since by their fatheres and grandfathers This is not a contention about Terra Virginea where only we must beleeue Sir VValter Rawleighes Relations or Sir Humfrey Gilbertes about Terra Florida Let euery man then looke about him and say what he findeth or feeleth of these blessings or maledictions in himself or others I for my part shal onely for better direction of mens iudgments geue this aduertisement that all blessings of a common-wealth may seeme to be reduced to two heades or braunches the one