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A49772 A brief answer to three books, one by John Faldo, called an Independent, and two by Thomas Hicks a Baptist, put forth against the people called Quakers wherein the Presbyters, (Inde)pendents, and Baptists, though they differ among themselves, yet like Herod, Pontius Pilate, Judas, and the Jews are all joyn'd against the truth : but that which is not of God, shall not stand. Lawrence, Thomas, 1645?-1714. 1673 (1673) Wing L683; ESTC R7733 6,061 8

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A BRIEF ANSWER TO THREE BOOKS ONE By John Faldo called an Independent and Two by Thomas Hicks a Baptist put forth against the People called QVAKERS Wherein the Presbyters Inde pendents and Baptists though they differ among Themselves yet like Herod Pontius Pilate Judas and the Jews are all joyn'd against the Truth But that which is not of God shall not Stand. WHen I intended to go my Journey I met with a Book given forth by One John Faldo against the Quakers I do not know what this John Faldo is nor where he dwells nor never heard of his Name before but I know he is like Thomas Hicks that Wrote the Dialogue Yet I do not know Thomas Hicks neither but I know they are alike they are both Mockers themselves proves it in their Title-pages and throughout their Books They call names as Quaker and Quakerism gone from Scripture-words and yet call the Scripture their Rule Herod and Pilate were made Friends yet did despise and mock Christ the Head and these Two mock and make Lyes against his Members their Books declare it I cannot tell which was first in the Lyes but I can tell who is the Father of Lyes the Devil He abode not in the Truth neither do these Two Perspicuity and Brevity are two chief Points in Oratory but these Two supposed great Orators have neither When They Treat on a subject their Porch is bigger then the House they are so long and tedious like the Orator when his Glass was near run out said Now to the Matter They are in the many Words Digressions and Distinctions that they lose themselves and Reader also except he abide in the Light For Example J. Faldo spends an Hundred and Nineteen pages to prove That Quakers deny the Scriptures and hath not prov'd it neither but runs begging after the Quakers that they would prove the Contrary pag. 26 27. And when he hath travelled to pag. 37. saith Now to clench the Nail I have been driving hitherto I pursued him to pag. 130. to find the Nail clenched but could not so I left my Pursuit Yet he saith If one or all these Arguments together will not prove what I have brought them to confirm I will forever despair to prove any thing When T. Hicks and J. Faldo saith The Scriptures are the Word of God and Rule of Faith They run into Thickets of Words but here they have no shelter for all people do or may know That Quakers do own S●r●ptures and have and do daily dis-prove their false Doctrines by plain Scripture words J. Faldo saith in the Second part of his Book That Quakers deny all Gospel Ordinances Answ They deny none but such as the false Churches do practice in their own wills without the Spirit Life and Power 1. In Particular he saith They deny the Ministery and Min●sters of the Gospel Answ Quakers deny no Ministry that is true nor no Ministers that are sent of God 2. He saith Quakers deny the gospel-Gospel-Church Answ Quakers own that Church which is in the Living God the Ground and Pillar of Truth but do deny all that say They are a true Church and are not but are the Synagogue of Satan 3. J. Faldo saith Quakers deny the Ordinance of Hearing the Word preached Answ Blush for shame dost thou not know they go sometimes many Miles and many hundreds at a time but thou goest not to hear Truth thy self but hindrest as many as thou canst and wishest as in thy Preface That many Thousand of small pieces of four or five sheets were printed and sold at a cheap rate to discover the Quakers Principles But that would discover and hurt thy Cause 4. Quakers deny Gospel-prayer Answ They do own and practise Prayer and Thanks-giving at meals in Families and else-where 5. Quakers deny the Ordinance of Reading the Scriptures Answ They say Reading and other holy Duties are to be performed in Families and several have been convinced by Reading Quakers Books before ever they heard a Minister 6. Quakers deny Water-Baptism and the Lords Supper Answ When the Substance is come and enjoyed the shaddows fly away These Charges against the Quakers are all false and so are many more in J. Faldo's Book Pag. 8. he saith Quakers preach a Christ within in Opposition to a Christ without Answ We feel taste and handle Christ within our Hope of Glory he is but one and not divided And so a wicked Slander to say we oppose Christ without Pag. 10. He saith They decry the Scriptures of the Old and New Testament as altogether needless if not Mischievous Answ We believe and read the Holy Scriptures to our Profit and Comfort being come to the same Spirit by which they were given forth and is the Interpreter of them Pag. 40. The Quakers equalize their Writings and Sayings with the Scriptures and prefer them above them Answ They set the Scriptures in their place but neither set them nor their Writings above the Spirit as ye do Many more might be noted but this is enough I do admire that ever a Man so Learned as J. Faldo is should so fail in his Learning Senses and Reason to charge so desperately and perform so weakly For I cannot find any Errors in the Quakers words that J. Faldo hath cited nor Strength in his Arguments to prove any J. Faldo in the Third part of his Book concerning Apostolical Inspirations hath many Distinctions and Differences between the Spirit which the Apostles had and the Spirit that Believers now have But he is neither brief nor plain but endeavours in many pages to manifest some great matter but his distinctions and differences are not in Substance but in Circumstances not differing in Truth and Kind but in Degree and Measures There are Diversities of Gifts Administrations and Operations but the same Spirit If J. Faldo hath found out another Spirit it is a false one J. Faldo would seem much a Schollar but T. Hicks is more a subtle one He hides his Work in Mists and Thickets to cover his Wickedness How can all the People of England or elsewhere where T. Hicks's Books may be seen see the Quakers Books also whom he hath charged to know certain whether his Charge be true which is a thing unlikely if not impossible Why then what colour of Reason is there in the least that T. Hicks should be believed at any time or in any thing who is found a Lyar so oftentimes and in so many things but all his Labour to be lost and as Water spilt upon the Ground And so no search after the Quakers Books need be but T. Hicks accounted vir nulla fide a man of no Faith or Credit Now for me to detect a man without just Cause were unjust therefore hear what I can say I. To the false Charges in his Book 1. The Quakers deny the Scriptures to be the Word of God The Answer is in the first Chap. of John In the beginning was the Word and the Word was