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A49441 A treatise of the nature of a minister in all its offices to which is annexed an answer to Doctor Forbes concerning the necessity of bishops to ordain, which is an answer to a question, proposed in these late unhappy times, to the author, What is a minister? Lucy, William, 1594-1677. 1670 (1670) Wing L3455; ESTC R11702 218,889 312

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be_v call_v doctor_n and_o teacher_n because_o they_o instruct_v the_o people_n in_o the_o mystery_n of_o godliness_n although_o perhaps_o this_o word_n may_v be_v extend_v far_a than_o to_o they_o but_o these_o be_v the_o chief_a name_n by_o which_o that_o superior_a order_n which_o succeed_v the_o apostle_n be_v call_v in_o the_o primitive_a church_n in_o the_o write_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o after_o and_o this_o be_v the_o sense_n employ_v by_o these_o name_n sect_n ii_o certain_a concessa_fw-la by_o all_o who_o have_v engage_v in_o this_o controversy_n but_o now_o to_o sever_v grant_v truth_n from_o question_v and_o not_o to_o waste_v my_o time_n in_o unnecessary_a discourse_n it_o be_v grant_v by_o all_o that_o i_o have_v see_v that_o these_o all_o be_v ordain_v by_o the_o apostle_n to_o do_v these_o duty_n to_o administer_v the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n and_o the_o communion_n to_o preach_v the_o gospel_n although_o i_o think_v no_o man_n can_v show_v i_o any_o place_n of_o scripture_n express_v such_o a_o canon_n which_o shall_v enable_v such_o man_n bear_v such_o name_n under_o such_o title_n to_o be_v authorize_v to_o such_o duty_n but_o only_o a_o constant_a practice_n of_o it_o but_o it_o be_v suppose_v that_o they_o be_v authorize_v to_o do_v this_o duty_n we_o may_v find_v rule_n direct_v how_o these_o shall_v be_v perform_v by_o they_o i_o let_v that_o pass_v therefore_o and_o shall_v now_o enter_v the_o list_n against_o two_o opinion_n which_o i_o oppose_v one_o which_o make_v pastor_n and_o teacher_n two_o office_n a_o second_o which_o make_v no_o distinction_n among_o these_o sect_n iii_o mr._n hooker_n distinction_n of_o pastor_n and_o teacher_n handle_v for_o the_o first_o mr._n hooker_n dispute_v in_o his_o book_n before_o cite_v part._n 2._o chap._n 1._o pag._n 19_o 20._o and_o first_o to_o understand_v his_o opinion_n consider_v that_o he_o make_v two_o sort_n of_o teach_v elder_n one_o he_o call_v pastor_n and_o the_o other_o teacher_n the_o scope_n of_o the_o pastor_n he_o describe_v with_o a_o great_a deal_n of_o handsome_a circumlocution_n exceed_v fine_a expression_n of_o the_o rhetorical_a persuasive_a part_n of_o a_o preacher_n the_o result_n of_o all_o which_o be_v to_o persuade_v by_o such_o argument_n as_o have_v power_n over_o the_o will_n and_o the_o affection_n as_o it_o be_v pag._n 19_o the_o teacher_n office_n be_v to_o lay_v the_o fundamental_a point_n of_o christian_a faith_n the_o principle_n of_o religion_n as_o he_o express_v it_o in_o the_o bottom_n of_o page_n 21_o and_o the_o top_n of_o 22._o these_o two_o part_n he_o make_v distinct_a office_n in_o the_o church_n both_o of_o they_o be_v roll_a elder_n as_o well_o as_o teach_n and_o both_o of_o they_o have_v power_n to_o administer_v the_o sacrament_n but_o in_o their_o preach_v the_o one_o be_v to_o bend_v his_o force_n his_o endeavour_n to_o the_o teach_v and_o inform_v the_o understanding_n the_o other_o to_o the_o persuade_v and_o move_v the_o affection_n the_o first_o he_o call_v teacher_n the_o second_o pastor_n look_v for_o a_o reason_n for_o this_o distinction_n unheard-of_a till_o of_o late_a i_o find_v none_o but_o in_o a_o reply_n to_o mr._n rutterford_n pag._n 7._o where_o it_o seem_v mr._n rutterford_n urge_v that_o these_o formal_a object_n of_o these_o two_o office_n information_n of_o the_o judgement_n and_o exhort_v be_v not_o so_o different_a as_o that_o they_o shall_v be_v incompetible_a pag._n 7._o chap._n 1._o to_o this_o he_o reply_v that_o in_o themselves_o and_o full_a breadth_n that_o be_v his_o phrase_n these_o be_v not_o so_o incompetible_a but_o look_v at_o the_o specialty_n of_o the_o gift_n that_o fit_v for_o one_o and_o which_o furnish_v for_o the_o other_o to_o attend_v main_o and_o chief_o upon_o each_o according_a to_o the_o gift_n they_o will_v prove_v inconsistent_a these_o be_v his_o word_n and_o these_o imply_v that_o where_o there_o be_v distinction_n of_o gift_n and_o they_o diverse_o to_o be_v endeavour_v there_o shall_v be_v diverse_a office_n or_o else_o i_o see_v no_o force_n in_o this_o discourse_n but_o this_o have_v no_o probability_n of_o colour_n for_o it_o consider_v civil_a office_n a_o justice_n of_o peace_n one_o justice_n have_v a_o great_a cunning_a in_o the_o statute_n in_o render_v they_o to_o a_o legal_a sense_n he_o apply_v himself_o and_o endeavour_n to_o that_o most_o another_o have_v a_o great_a ability_n in_o reconcile_n and_o take_v up_o quarrel_n and_o persuade_v man_n to_o friendship_n he_o endeavour_v that_o most_o and_o perhaps_o do_v either_o of_o these_o by_o frame_v himself_o to_o endeavour_v what_o he_o be_v least_o fit_a for_o less_o attend_v what_o he_o be_v more_o dexterous_a in_o he_o may_v attend_v his_o office_n in_o general_n but_o the_o less_o profitable_a way_n and_o these_o be_v both_o one_o office_n though_o in_o it_o diverse_a gift_n or_o ability_n which_o can_v both_o be_v attend_v with_o any_o man_n utmost_a 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i_o put_v down_o lest_o he_o may_v start_v from_o it_o hereafter_o and_o so_o will_v pass_v it_o over_o and_o proceed_v with_o the_o same_o succinctnesse_n to_o his_o second_o conclusion_n which_o be_v p._n 48._o and_o be_v this_o it_o be_v a_o act_n of_o power_n as_o a_o instrument_n or_o mean_n under_o christ_n to_o give_v a_o officer_n the_o be_v of_o a_o outward_a call_n in_o the_o church_n here_o a_o instrument_n be_v take_v as_o i_o expound_v it_o before_o a_o moral_a instrument_n this_o conclusion_n have_v truth_n grant_v likewise_o and_o so_o i_o pass_v to_o his_o second_o head_n pag._n 49._o by_o what_o mean_v the_o essential_a of_o this_o power_n may_v be_v convey_v sect_n ix_o whether_o ordination_n do_v communicate_v the_o essence_n to_o the_o outward_a call_n his_o first_o conclusion_n be_v ordination_n as_o it_o be_v popish_o dispense_v under_o the_o opinion_n of_o a_o sacrament_n and_o as_o leave_v the_o impression_n of_o a_o indelible_a character_n do_v not_o 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