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member_n of_o the_o church_n into_o four_o sort_n far_o different_a one_o from_o another_o to_o omit_v the_o former_a three_o as_o be_v not_o in_o question_n the_o four_o sort_n be_v of_o those_o who_o be_v elect_a of_o god_n and_o ingraft_v into_o christ_n yet_o fall_v through_o infirmity_n and_o give_v offence_n unto_o other_o be_v deliver_v unto_o satan_n that_o godly_a sorrow_n may_v work_v in_o they_o repentance_n of_o this_o last_o sort_n say_v he_o be_v the_o question_n concern_v who_o he_o first_o suppose_v diverse_a thing_n 1._o that_o they_o be_v such_o of_o who_o we_o may_v judge_v in_o charity_n that_o their_o estate_n be_v not_o desperate_a 2._o that_o though_o they_o be_v great_a sinner_n yet_o they_o be_v not_o apostate_n which_o forsake_v the_o church_n nor_o join_v themselves_o with_o adversary_n in_o persecute_v the_o truth_n 3._o that_o some_o difference_n be_v to_o be_v make_v between_o turk_n and_o excommunicate_a christian_n or_o papist_n 4._o it_o be_v hard_o 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his_o sect._n 12._o six_o in_o that_o which_o he_o speak_v concern_v my_o three_o writing_n he_o multipli_v injury_n 1._o in_o misreport_v my_o intent_n in_o the_o three_o wrighting_n which_o be_v not_o to_o make_v he_o odious_a to_o the_o classis_fw-la nor_o to_o teach_v the_o elder_n how_o to_o fill_v their_o mouth_n with_o reproach_n of_o he_o nor_o to_o stir_v up_o and_o incense_v the_o congregation_n against_o he_o but_o ingenuous_o and_o candid_o to_o report_v the_o truth_n whereunto_o i_o be_v call_v and_o compel_v for_o the_o necessary_a clear_n of_o myself_o &_o for_o the_o remove_v all_o in_o some_o and_o prevention_n in_o other_o of_o causeless_o praejudices_fw-la and_o jealousy_n which_o already_o do_v or_o by_o my_o silence_n may_v arise_v in_o their_o mind_n against_o i_o by_o his_o suggestion_n will_v the_o writing_n of_o those_o thing_n accuse_v undermine_v and_o defame_v he_o it_o be_v a_o sign_n that_o his_o cause_n be_v not_o very_o good_a and_o if_o my_o writing_n those_o particular_n be_v a_o fault_n who_o be_v to_o blame_v for_o it_o but_o he_o who_o constrain_v i_o thereunto_o 2._o in_o charge_v i_o with_o unjust_a uprayd_v of_o he_o for_o my_o assistance_n of_o he_o and_o with_o a_o vain_a boast_n of_o myself_o to_o convince_v he_o of_o ill_o requite_v i_o yea_o of_o reward_v evil_a for_o good_a i_o remember_v what_o labour_n and_o patience_n i_o have_v exercise_v for_o his_o and_o the_o church_n peace_n this_o be_v no_o uprayd_v much_o less_o unjust_a nor_o vain_a boast_n but_o a_o just_a declaration_n of_o the_o truth_n the_o case_n require_v it_o and_o a_o sad_a complaint_n of_o his_o unthanckfullnes_n how_o he_o have_v answer_v it_o will_v appear_v in_o the_o examination_n of_o sect._n 2._o 8._o and_o 40._o whereunto_o as_o he_o
partiality_n as_o in_o the_o case_n instance_a by_o they_o three_o they_o do_v not_o complain_v of_o his_o reject_v the_o counsel_n of_o the_o elder_n only_o by_o show_v his_o particular_a judgement_n as_o one_o deacon_n may_v oppose_v the_o opinion_n of_o another_o in_o their_o own_o session_n or_o as_o in_o a_o senate_n civil_a or_o ecclesiastical_a there_o may_v be_v difference_n and_o so_o opposition_n of_o opinion_n among_o man_n without_o reject_v such_o conclusion_n as_o be_v make_v by_o most_o voice_n in_o thing_n lawful_a and_o equal_a but_o of_o this_o they_o complain_v that_o he_o so_o oppose_v and_o reject_v their_o power_n in_o some_o case_n that_o he_o unjust_o deprive_v they_o of_o their_o power_n upon_o untrue_a pretence_n of_o their_o partiality_n and_o insufficiency_n to_o judge_v four_o in_o his_o four_o answer_n his_o accuse_v the_o elder_n of_o partiality_n &_o insufficiency_n be_v propound_v by_o he_o but_o the_o ground_n thereof_o or_o the_o proof_n of_o it_o be_v not_o declare_v and_o so_o upon_o the_o matter_n just_o nothing_o be_v say_v five_o in_o his_o five_o answer_n he_o pretend_v just_a cause_n of_o his_o except_v against_o three_o of_o the_o elder_n as_o partial_a in_o this_o controversy_n about_o i_o and_o to_o make_v this_o cable_n strong_a he_o twist_v three_o cause_n as_o cord_n together_o that_o they_o profess_v themselves_o to_o be_v of_o the_o same_o opinion_n with_o i_o touch_v baptism_n ans_fw-fr 2._o that_o they_o have_v by_o their_o example_n allow_v and_o countenance_v the_o meeting_n of_o diverse_a at_o a_o private_a excercise_n upon_o the_o lord_n day_n after_o the_o sermon_n be_v end_v 3._o that_o they_o make_v a_o act_n for_o my_o preach_n among_o themselves_o as_o a_o assistant_n for_o a_o certain_a time_n etc._n etc._n these_o be_v new_a crime_n which_o former_a age_n have_v not_o hear_v of_o reply_v and_o after_o time_n will_v wonder_v at_o if_o all_o thing_n be_v consider_v for_o the_o first_o be_v it_o the_o sin_n of_o partiality_n in_o the_o elder_n to_o hold_v with_o any_o man_n in_o dislike_a and_o witness_v against_o evil_a custom_n as_o this_o promiscuous_a administration_n of_o baptism_n be_v declare_v to_o be_v or_o to_o join_v without_o scandal_n or_o schysme_n in_o a_o private_a excercise_n after_o the_o public_a be_v end_v or_o to_o make_v a_o act_n for_o a_o man_n preach_v among_o they_o as_o a_o assistant_n the_o public_a necessity_n require_v it_o and_o the_o church_n general_o desire_v it_o for_o a_o convenient_a time_n that_o he_o may_v understand_v those_o order_n and_o custom_n of_o the_o dutch_a church_n whereunto_o his_o conformity_n be_v expect_v before_o he_o bound_v himself_o thereunto_o if_o so_o then_o to_o hold_v the_o truth_n to_o join_v in_o a_o peaceable_a and_o inoffencive_a use_n of_o private_a help_n for_o aedifycation_n and_o to_o provide_v for_o the_o public_a good_a &_o peace_n be_v a_o argument_n of_o partiality_n in_o a_o elder_a the_o vanity_n of_o this_o pretence_n be_v manifest_a let_v we_o see_v his_o second_o proof_n second_o ans_fw-fr to_o prove_v they_o partial_a he_o produce_v another_o consideration_n viz_o that_o the_o elder_n have_v make_v like_o complaint_n as_o these_o complainants_n heretofore_o of_o his_o bring_v matter_n to_o the_o classis_fw-la violent_o without_o their_o consent_n the_o classis_fw-la have_v judge_v they_o party_n be_v it_o so_o 1._o be_v not_o this_o allege_v against_o himself_o for_o reply_n now_o it_o appear_v not_o to_o be_v the_o complaint_n of_o some_o member_n only_o who_o may_v unjust_o complain_v through_o ignorance_n or_o misinformation_n but_o even_o the_o elder_n who_o be_v eye_n witness_n of_o all_o that_o pass_v in_o consistory_n have_v make_v the_o same_o complaint_n will_v not_o any_o man_n conclude_v that_o matter_n be_v injurious_o carry_v indeed_o when_o not_o only_o some_o of_o the_o member_n but_o the_o elder_n themselves_o also_o complain_v thereof_o as_o for_o the_o classis_fw-la judge_v of_o they_o party_n how_o easy_o may_v the_o elder_n demand_v their_o ground_n and_o proof_n thereof_o and_o in_o case_n of_o want_n of_o sufficient_a evidence_n appeal_v from_o their_o sentence_n to_o the_o scripture_n and_o be_v it_o not_o possible_a may_v we_o think_v to_o find_v partiality_n as_o well_o in_o the_o classis_fw-la as_o in_o the_o consistory_n i_o wish_v they_o have_v express_v more_o aequanimity_n in_o the_o carriage_n of_o this_o buisenes_n for_o their_o own_o and_o the_o church_n sake_n ans_fw-fr three_o if_o that_o proof_n fail_v he_o have_v one_o more_o which_o will_v hold_v as_o he_o imagine_v even_o the_o elder_n themselves_o have_v acknowledge_v that_o when_o some_o such_o complaint_n as_o these_o have_v be_v bring_v unto_o they_o they_o have_v no_o power_n to_o judge_v thereof_o reply_n the_o answer_n of_o the_o elder_n which_o be_v here_o report_v be_v not_o necessary_o to_o be_v understand_v as_o a_o acknowledgement_n of_o their_o want_n of_o power_n de_fw-fr jure_fw-la by_o right_a to_o judge_v thereof_o but_o may_v be_v understand_v as_o a_o declaration_n or_o rather_o a_o complaint_n of_o their_o want_n of_o power_n defacto_fw-la by_o other_o man_n taking_n it_o out_o of_o their_o hand_n without_o right_n now_o if_o that_o power_n which_o belong_v to_o they_o be_v take_v from_o they_o without_o their_o consent_n and_o so_o before_o it_o be_v give_v and_o without_o warrant_n of_o the_o word_n and_o so_o before_o it_o be_v due_a it_o be_v no_o partiality_n to_o assume_v that_o by_o a_o due_a claim_n which_o be_v undue_o withhold_v from_o they_o and_o it_o be_v no_o presumption_n in_o they_o if_o know_v their_o right_a they_o give_v a_o new_a judgement_n of_o that_o thing_n which_o they_o have_v former_o wave_v not_o know_v that_o they_o have_v power_n to_o judge_v thereof_o so_o much_o for_o his_o pretence_n against_o they_o for_o partiality_n in_o his_o six_o answer_n he_o undertake_v to_o show_v their_o insufficiency_n wherein_o ans_fw-fr that_o he_o be_v not_o mistake_v he_o profess_v not_o to_o speak_v of_o that_o common_a insufficiency_n that_o be_v in_o all_o man_n etc._n etc._n but_o he_o except_v against_o their_o insufficiency_n in_o some_o special_a case_n and_o namely_o in_o such_o particular_n whatsoever_o have_v be_v already_o judge_v and_o determine_v in_o the_o classis_fw-la reply_n so_o then_o whatsoever_o the_o classis_fw-la shall_v take_v upon_o they_o to_o judge_v though_o it_o be_v undue_o and_o disorderly_o bring_v to_o they_o shall_v bind_v the_o church_n so_o as_o it_o must_v rest_v therein_o &_o that_o they_o shall_v not_o meddle_v in_o it_o though_o they_o be_v not_o satisfy_v about_o the_o equity_n of_o their_o proceed_n in_o it_o and_o though_o they_o do_v not_o show_v sufficient_a warrant_n from_o the_o word_n for_o their_o judgement_n and_o determination_n and_o this_o must_v hold_v in_o all_o case_n whatsoever_o i_o think_v the_o answerer_n shall_v upon_o a_o review_n voluntary_o revoke_v this_o expression_n or_o that_o the_o classis_fw-la shall_v profess_v against_o it_o in_o public_a as_o some_o of_o the_o minister_n have_v affirm_v to_o i_o in_o private_a that_o they_o do_v not_o assume_v any_o such_o power_n to_o themselves_o or_o if_o they_o be_v silent_a the_o provincial_a synod_n shall_v provide_v that_o convenient_a mean_n may_v be_v use_v to_o stop_v the_o spreading_n of_o such_o a_o error_n for_o many_o dangerous_a consequence_n which_o their_o wisdom_n i_o doubt_v not_o will_v foresee_v follow_v thereupon_o to_o i_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o no_o nationall_n synod_n in_o these_o country_n ever_o give_v power_n to_o the_o class_n thus_o far_o to_o deprive_v particular_a church_n of_o the_o right_n of_o judge_a thing_n proper_a to_o themselves_o within_o themselves_o neither_o be_v there_o one_o word_n in_o these_o complaint_n which_o be_v fair_o construe_v &_o for_o augâ—t_o i_o can_v discern_v according_a to_o the_o intent_n and_o expression_n of_o the_o complainants_n themselves_o require_v any_o thing_n but_o what_o the_o nationall_n synod_n have_v order_v and_o appoint_v to_o be_v do_v for_o and_o to_o all_o the_o church_n and_o which_o the_o class_n if_o they_o be_v true_a to_o their_o own_o rule_n in_o their_o first_o constition_n must_v see_v perform_v so_o far_o be_v they_o from_o attempt_v the_o innovation_n and_o alteration_n of_o discipline_n and_o government_n so_o long_o practise_v in_o these_o reform_a church_n sect_n 24_o 25._o 26._o examine_v their_o second_o proof_n of_o his_o deprive_v the_o elder_n of_o their_o power_n in_o government_n for_o the_o good_a of_o the_o church_n be_v compl._n compl._n that_o he_o have_v protest_v against_o their_o judgement_n in_o matter_n which_o may_v have_v be_v end_v in_o the_o consistory_n and_o in_o that_o respect_n aught_v not_o to_o have_v be_v bring_v to_o the_o classis_fw-la yet_o he_o have_v carry_v they_o
power_n they_o assume_v or_o other_o give_v they_o to_o deprive_v the_o church_n of_o that_o power_n which_o christ_n have_v give_v it_o in_o its_o own_o matter_n be_v against_o the_o end_n of_o their_o association_n and_o so_o a_o undue_a power_n now_o for_o the_o hypothesis_n or_o particular_a application_n of_o those_o general_n to_o the_o present_a question_n the_o answerer_n be_v challenge_v by_o the_o complainants_n for_n subject_v their_o church_n under_o a_o undue_a power_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la for_o his_o own_o end_n and_o without_o warrant_n from_o the_o word_n out_o of_o question_n if_o it_o be_v a_o undue_a power_n it_o be_v not_o only_o without_o warrant_n from_o the_o word_n but_o also_o contrary_a to_o the_o rule_n but_o it_o may_v be_v they_o mean_v that_o he_o have_v do_v this_o without_o show_v they_o any_o word_n which_o warrant_v his_o so_o do_v and_o in_o that_o sense_n it_o be_v a_o complaint_n of_o too_o masterly_a and_o self-willed_a a_o carriage_n of_o himself_o in_o church_n affair_n which_o they_o seem_v indeed_o to_o intend_v by_o that_o addition_n when_o they_o say_v that_o he_o do_v it_o for_o his_o own_o end_n now_o to_o detract_v from_o another_o for_o a_o man_n own_o commodity_n be_v against_o nature_n as_o the_o heathen_a man_n can_v say_v and_o he_o prove_v it_o thus_o 3._o ciâ—_n de_fw-fr offic_n lib._n 3._o because_o if_o that_o be_v do_v the_o destruction_n of_o society_n and_o community_n among_o man_n will_v necessary_o follow_v with-whom_a another_o agree_v express_v the_o same_o thing_n under_o a_o metaphor_n which_o he_o appli_v to_o man_n singular_o and_o individual_o consider_v but_o i_o will_v apply_v to_o particular_a church_n in_o reference_n to_o classical_a combination_n as_o all_o the_o member_n agree_v among_o themselves_o because_o it_o concern_v the_o whole_a that_o every_o one_o be_v safe_a so_o man_n do_v spare_v one_o another_o because_o we_o be_v bear_v for_o communion_n 32._o scene_n de_fw-la ira_fw-la 1._o lib._n 3_o c._n 32._o salva_n enim_fw-la esse_fw-la societas_fw-la nisi_fw-la amore_fw-la &_o custodiâ_fw-la partium_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la for_o a_o society_n can_v otherwise_o be_v safe_a then_o by_o keep_v the_o part_n whereof_o it_o be_v compound_v from_o be_v hurt_v but_o let_v we_o examine_v his_o answer_n to_o this_o complaint_n which_o consist_v of_o four_o particular_n in_o all_o which_o i_o will_v pass_v by_o the_o overflow_a of_o his_o gall_n which_o he_o too_o frequent_o discover_v 1._o in_o his_o first_o answer_n he_o charge_v they_o with_o slander_v the_o classis_fw-la when_o they_o charge_v it_o with_o a_o undue_a power_n which_o slander_n he_o say_v be_v against_o the_o very_a state_n of_o government_n and_o form_n of_o discipline_n observe_v and_o practise_v in_o these_o reform_a church_n and_o call_v for_o proof_n wherein_o i_o thinck_v he_o have_v forget_v himself_o for_o in_o the_o three_o next_o section_n he_o himself_o produce_v the_o proof_n 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