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A79520	An answer to a book which Samuel Eaton put up to the Parliament: which he saith he is a teacher of the Church of Christ, heretofore meeting at Ducken-field, now at Stockport in Cheshire; and he cals the title of his book Quakers confuted. Moses who was a judg quaked and trembled, David a king in Israel quaked and trembled, and Solomon who was a king trembled, and Daniel a servant of the most high God trembled, ... And these heard the voice of God, and thou that writest, thou mayest say thou hast confuted all them; for he that is against them, is against us, and he that is against us, is against them, for the same power is witnessed; but thou Eaton, who saith thou art a teacher of the church at Duckenfield, who saith thou hast heard the voice of the living God, and that such a voice as this, as comes immediately from God, you have not heard, ... And Isaiah saith, hear the word of the Lord all ye that tremble at his word; and this is the man that I do regard, saith the Lord, that is of a contrite heart, and trembleth at my word; but such Eaton and his church doth not regard, but custs out friends of the Lord from them, whom the world calls Quakers.	Camm, John, 1604?-1656.	1654 (1654)	Wing C389; Thomason E735_9; ESTC R206969	38,921	53

your lyes is the lake and it s well they have set their names to these lyes John Pomroy Paul Glissen Joseph Kellet that they may be known For with the chi●dren of light they are and their Spirit tried had they not uttered forth their names and their voice discerned and the Eternal Light of God sees them which shall be their eternal condemnation and the Judgement of God will fall upon hem for th ir lyes and slanders for them that they call Quakers ●usking we own else we should lay waste the Scriptures as you do For David quaked Moses quaked and Paul trembled and Habbakuk quivered and Jeremy shaked and these were in the faith and hope and these had the life of the Scriptures a●co●di●g to their measure Now let all people see if John Pomroy Paul Glissen and Joseph Kellet wh ch have digg●d a p●t for others see if they be not fallen into it themselves who are laying waste the Scriptures for the Gospel of Christ we own and the Scriptures are ours and the Doctrine of Christ we live in and Faith and Hope and not laying waste the Scripture but all such as make trades on the Scripture such we would have laid waste And thou Eaton and the rest who saith there are no such Officers now no such Teachers now no such Pastors now as was then Dost not thou here lay waste the Scripture and hast shewed thy self to be one of them and can imposture that what thou knows thou knows naturally which were ordained of old for condemnation as Jude speaks of for thou denies immediate inspiration and thou denies hearing the voice of God when Christ is the same to day yesterday and for ever and they that are of God hear his word and they that hear his word he●r his voice and here thou hast shewed thy self that thou art not of God and the Gospel is the same which is the pillar and ground of truth And another thing thou Eaton sets as a witness against them whom thou calls Quakers which word thou spake in thy letter to Richard Walter and thou said'st Satan had filled his heart with such fogs and mists and darkness and this is in thy page 56. and this is in thy own letter which thou would●st slander us with thy own words which came out of thy own bottle But O thou Enemy of good thy door is set open and what is in thy house is seen and wh●● is in thy bottle pours out and so for the truths sake because an evil report and slander should not rest upon ●t and for the simple ones and d●luded ones that are subject to catch at his histories and reports So for the trut●s sake have I given forth this not to be justified of man nor to b● known outward●y but to be known to the Lord God and of him to be justified and not to stir up strife or war but that truth might be set up and all d●ceit confounded and the simple ones directed and their minds guided to God to hear his voice and to wait upon him that they might come into the life of the Scriptures that they were in that gave them forth which thou hast declared that thou hast not neither dost thou wait for it so shews thy self to be an imposture and keeps all in the pit and from hearing the voice of the living God And as for railing such we deny and all such as lay waste Scripture and live not the life of it and Christ and saith and hope but in their places we own all as it was given forth and here be thou Samuel Eaton and John Pomroy and Paul Glissen and Joseph Kellet to that in your consciences I speak that it may witness against you that you are witnesses against the truth of God and ●hem that live in it who hath published forth your lyes and slanders who are for the Lake And thou Samuel Eaton who makes a colour of answering the Queries thou hast made many Queries and hath answered thy own let the Reader of thy Book but take notice and see thy deceit and imposture which thou so often accuses them that thou calls Quakers with which therein thou art comprehended thy self with the children of light and I leave thee to be judged with them all because thou hast published thy Book openly let all the children of the light judge thee what spirit thou art guided by who denyes immediate inspiration And in thy Answer to the seventeenth Query thou slanders the Apostle and saith it was a hyperb●lycal Speech when the Apostle said they knew all things and needed no man to teach them but as the ano●n●ing and this thou sayest was an hyperbolycal expression O vain man where did the Apostle give ●orth any such expressions thou would'st make him a lyar like ●hy self who cannot own his words therefore do we own the Apostle who spoke plainly and deny thee with thy hyperbolycal expressions who art in the wisdom of words and slanders the Power of God which makes the earth to tremble in wh●ch power stood the Saints faith and wisdom as the Apostle spoke to the Corinthians in which Spirit and Power of the living God stands our saith and wisdom and not in the wisdom of the world which wisdom we see all comes to nothing which wisdom thou lives in and so with the world thou mayest be justified for it loves its own and in it thou mayest have many witnesses but thou dost not know as thou hast confessed and with him no lyar nor slanderer nor with them who are Gods Thou sayest The Church of Christ is the pillar and ground of truth and doth witness the truth contained in the Scripture But this is anothers and not thine for thou canst not witness it to be the pillar and ground of truth but art an enemy to it and denyes the immediate inspiration and hearing the voyce of the living God And thou asserts that the Mystery of Godliness is great Thou mayest assert it for godliness is a mystery to thee thou knowest it not but he that spoke these words God manifested in the flesh justified in the spirit witnessed these words as he spoke them and to such as thee it is a mystery without any consequences or ●ences thou mayest very well assert it for thou art without God i● the world And as for El ction thou knows nothing of For his secrets are with them that fear him and thou denies ever hearing his voice therefore how should th●u know his Secrets and there let thy mo●th be stept for thou knows not what is elect●d whic● art pleading for sin and for the D●v●l and denie● p●rfection and pu●i●y so thou art without among the dogs and the Whoremongers and the Adulterers and there we leave thee And thou who sayest thou never heardst Gods voyce nor dost not wait for it nor never shalt in the state thou art in though thou sayest thou hast confuted the Quakers but it is with that nature which is

An Answer to a Book WHICH SAMVEL EATON Put up to the PARLIAMENT Which he saith he is a Teacher of the Church of Christ heretofore meeting at Duckenfield now at Stockport in Cheshire And he cals the Title of his Book QUAKERS CONFUTED Moses who was a Judg quaked and trembled David a King in Israel quaked and trembled and Solomon who was a King trembled and Daniel a servant of the most high God trembled and Jer. the Lords Prophet his bones shaked and Habak a Prophet of the Lord his lips quivered and his belly shoke and Paul a Minister made by the will of God trembled and Job the servant of the most high God who saw God trembled And these saw God and many other of our Witnesses vve might bring And these heard the voice of God and thou that writest thou mayest say thou hast confuted all them for he that is against them is against us and he that is against us is against them for the same power is witnessed b●t thou Eaton who saith thou art a Teacher of the Church at Duckenfield who saith thou hast not heard the voice of the living God and that such a voice as this as comes immediately from God you have not heard and such an inspiration as this you have not received nor do you wait for it And Isaiah saith Hear the Word of the Lord all ye that tremble at his Word and this is the man that I do regard saith the Lord that is of a contrite heart and trembleth at my Word but such Eaton and his Church doth not regard but custs out friends of the Lord from them whom the world calls QUAKERS London Printed for Giles Calvert at the black Spread-Eagle at the West end of Pauls 1654. To the Reader WEe hearing of a Paper which was sent to a Member of a Church as they call it at Duckenfield or that ways of which one Eaton is the Pastor and in that Paper we find many slanderous speeches and false accusations against us whom the world scornfully calls Quakers So the Paper being sent to us we seeing many lies and false reports we wrote some things to the paper to clear our selves from lies and slanders And that generation which ever doth lye and slander and sent it back to the Church as they call it and certain Queri●s to be answered For had the Church or the Pastor of it as they call it sent the Paper to us it had been honest but writing to others not sending to us we see the deceit that would slander the innocent privily but to us it is none because it doth not touch us And the said Church and Eaton which the Queries were sent to have writ forth a Book and sent to the Parliament and so not sent it to us Let all people take notice if here be not pride and hypocrisie Had they sent it to us it had been honest and in it we find much wresting of the Scripture multitudes of conceivings and consequences and contradicting Christs words and Gods words which were spoken forth by his Prophets as hereafter shall be made appear An Answer to a BOOK Entitled The QUAKERS CONFUTED A Reply to the Answers of some Queries in a Book entitled the Quakers confuted set forth by Samuel Eaton a Teacher of the Church of Christ as he saith heretofore meeting at Duckenfield now at Stopworth in Cheshire which was directed to the Parliament of this Nation sitting at Westminster To them I find much flattering and crouching but under whose tongue there is venome under a colour as contending for the faith which he knows nothing of and them that do will trample his dirty stuff under their feet and the said Eaton under a colour would make people believe he appears for God and Christ yet his intent is to persecute and incense and provoke people to wrath against those people he calls Quakers but the Lord is their defence and heard such in all Ages as in the dayes of Isaiah David and the rest who were of a contrite and humble spirit and t●embled at his word which the Lord would not despise but regard but the world would not but despise as Eaton and the world doth now Object O Eaton thou lyar Doth Paul and Christ compare them that trembled at the Word of the Lord as wolves and Satan transforming himself into an Angel of light and so into Ministers of Righteousness Reply O thou lyar Doth Satan transform himself into Ministers of Righteousness Here I charge thee in the Presence of the Lord to be a lyar and perverts the Apostles words they may transform them as the Ministers of Righteousness but not into Ministers of Righteousness and this is thy Quakers confuted Object And thou sayest that John makes them all Antichrists Reyly This shall stand for thy own condition who doth oppose Christ as thou declares in this Book and as touching Satans transforming himself into an Angel of light this is thy own condition and into the Ministers of righteousness as thou sayest here thou hast uttered forth thy lyes And on touching Christs call ng them wolves that is thy own condition who art making war against the Lambs of Christ and be silent and slander thou not the Church of Christ he need not have an outward power to maintain it that is dispersed abroad in this Land which doth torment thee for its the pillar and ground of truth Object Which sows much corrupt seed Reply This is thy own condition as thou hast shewed in this Book but that which thou calls corrupt is the Seed of God and God will judge thee for thy blasphemy who art in errour In this Book thou hast sown thy corrupt seed Object Doctrine of Seducers Reply This is thy own condition for such practises we do abhor and how fain wouldest thou raise a persecution and shew your selves zealous of his glory in these things and saith the Lord will bless you hence-forward And the Magistrate is for praise to good works and a terrou● to evil works then will it take hold upon thee thou envious man who art seeking after blood as all thy generation did Object Whereof thou art accusing Apostacy from the true God from the true faith and from the true word Reply This is thy own condition Object And thou sayest If there be sorcery and familiarity with the Devil to be found among a people who challenge propriety in God Reply This is thy own condition for them whom thou calls Quakers doth own the true faith and true Christ and true God and denys all such filthy things Object First thou accusest them and saith That it is held forth much of their doctrine and practises concerning revelations and immediate voyces and against the holy Scriptures Christs Ministers Church and Ordinances Reply And these are all lies for Revelations we own according to the Scriptures and immediate voyces Christs Ministers Church and Ordinances we own according to the Scriptures And O man lay thy hand upon

answer is Davids Conditions and Experien●e● are many times your own Reply And before thou denyes as hearing Gods voyce and how ca●st thou know Davids conditions who heard the voyce of God in the holy Temple and thou denyes hearing of Gods voyce but abundance of words thou hast heaped up together and wouldest make the Saints singing like thine who sung with the spirit and with understanding Obj. And again thou sayest God would have you in your meetings to rejoyce Reply Thou lyar How knowest thou the mind of God and never heardst his voyce who hist openly shewed thy self to be a Heathen who knows not God who knows nothing of the rejoycing and singing in spirit and what hast thou to do to talk of the Church of God which is the pillar and ground of truth who denyes the voyce of God and immediate inspiration which is both in the Church of God Obj. And as concerning putting on hats when you read and putting them off when you sing Then sayest you shall not much contest Reply Then you must confess it to be a tradition and that you worship the works of your own hands and yet thou goest about to justifie it who art mudled in thy confused generation who would have the hat put off when thou prayest with a part of the scripture and when thou readest part of the scripture to put thy hat on See if this be not thy own tradition Obj. And as for singing Davids Psalms in meeter thou sayest the Hebrews had their Poetry and it is sutable for every Nation to have their own Poet and particular Poetry to themselves to praise God and Meeter is congruous as thou sayest to our English Poetry Reply And this is all thy conjured stuff and likenesses who give● every Nation liberty who art in the Nations and stands up for thy own who hast cleared thy self from the spirit which the Saints sung withall in understanding who comes to be redeemed from Nations which yet thou art in and languages in the customes of the Nations which who sing prayses to God are redeemed from and so thou maintains thy own customs and traditions but the Church of God slander not for they deny your Customs and your Ordinances which God never commanded and there is no difference between your postures and the worlds nor your singing and the worlds but there is a difference between your singing and the Saints which knew God and heard his voyce and sung with the spirit but thou hast denyed the immediate inspiration of the spirit and so thou caust not sing with that spirit the Saints sung withall Quer. 13. Whether you do know the voyce of Christ from the voyce of a stranger My sheep know my voyce saith Christ seeing you are so forward to judge and sit as Judges of the Saints conditions Ans And thy answer is That which Christ preached and the Prophets and Apostles which is left upon record which you have in the Scriptures that is that voyce of Christ and with it you are able to distinguish from the voyce of a stranger Reply Here you shew your selves that you have the form but not the power for many come to speak the Prophets words and use their tongues and say he saith when saith the Lord I never spoke to them and this is your condition who hath the letter as the Jews had which knew not the voyce of Christ nor with the letter can you know his voyce and there you are Obj. And thou sayest this immediate voyce you have not heard neither do you know it within your selves experimentally neither do you wait for it for you know it is not the voyce of Christ Reply Here you have cleared your selves from the voyce of Christ and to be strangers which never heard the voyce of Christ which is immediate for you deny hearing this immediate voyce within and so denyes Christ to be within and shew your selves to be reprobates And you shew your selves to be in the state of the Jews which knew not the voyce of Christ which was immediate but judged it to be of the Devil as you do Obj. And this immediate voyce you bless your selves from and say It is the voyce of the Devil and say you have never heard the Devils voyce nor seen his shape and yet you plead for sin as long as you are here Reply And is not sin the shape of the Devil and you that plead for sin that is the voyce of the Devil in you and not the voyce of Christ for the voyce of Christ testifies against all sin and here you shew that you never heard the voyce of Christ which is immediate but only hath the letter as the devil hath to bring and the form and calls that the Voice of Christ and here you shew your selves to be natural men not knowing any thing of the immediate Voice of Christ but judgeth it of the devil Query 14. Whether that within you which judgeth be eternal and infallible yea or no Ans And thy answer is That that Spirit which we profess to be the Spirit of Christ is that Spirit of delusion which doth all things in us Rep. O thou deceiver who knows not the letter doth not the Scriptures say they were led by the Spirit and the fruits of the Spirit and the Comforter which was to come should lead them into all truth and they denied themselves with the Spirit for doing any thing and here thou hast cleared thy self from the Spirit of Christ and art in thy own Spirit of Errour Object Thou sayest though the Spirit of Christ which i● eternal and infallible dwell in the Saints yet it must not judg of persons and things after an infallible manner that they should neither say nor do nor judg any thing by any understanding of their own but this Spirit this we do deny for the Apostle speaks of himself When he would do good evil is present Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be pleading for the Devil and self and denies the Spirit of Christ and shews thy self to be in the state of the Wolves which Christ speaks of which should come in sheeps cloathing who hath shewed forth thy fruit to be of the corrupt tree who hath cleared thy self from the spiritual man which judgeth all things Object And thou speakest of Antichrists denying the Father and the Son and false Teachers bringing in damnable heresies denying the Lord that bought them Rep. These words shall stand for thy self which thou accusest others withal for thou hast denied as hearing any immediate Voice from God from heaven or any immediate inspiration of the Spirit and here thou hast denied both the Father and the Son for his voice is immediate and he that hath the Son hath the Father also and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life He that hath an ear to hear let him hear and in thy answer to this Query thou shewest thy self to be

rule for the Scripture saith As he is so are we in this present world Obj. And thou sayest but Ministerial gifts are not to be found in the world which the Ministers of the Gospel had Rep. Here to the view of all people thou hast brought thy self un-the curse for if it be not the same M●n●stery and the same gifts it is another therefore silence flesh let the Apostles alone command and charge thee in the presence of the Lord who sayest the gifts are not now to be found in the world which the Ministers of the Go●pel had here thou hast cleared thy self and thy generation from them if it be not the same it is another which is contrary and here thou shewest thy self to be the w●●ch that bewitches people Object Which saith there is now no such gifts as they had which were Ministers of the Spirit nor any such Pastors Offic●rs and Teachers now as was then Rep. Here again I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar who hath shut thy self in the state of the Pharisees hath cleared thy self from the Church of God Pastors Officers and Teachers for the Officers Pastors and Teachers are the same now which ever was we witness it and witness thee to be a lyar and all that are not the same Officers Pastors Teachers and Ministers of the Spirit are accused which thou and all thy Generation are guilty of who are not the same Officers Pastors Teachers and Ministers as was then and if not the same then they are contrary to Scriptures and here let the Scriptures condemn thee and them and here thou deny'st your selve to be any Pastors Teachers of the Church of Christ who saith there is none such now as was then and we witness the Church of Christ the Piller and ground of truth to be the same now as ever was and the same Officers Pastors Ministers and Teachers of the Spirit as ever was and yours thou sayest is not the same therefore they are all false contrary to the Scriptures contrary to the Gospel therefore the curse is upon thee who sayest they are not the same now as was then we witness Christ the same yesterday to day and for ever and what hast thou to do to talk of establishing truth which sayes Officers are not the same now as was then then the truth is not the same nor the Gospel there thou shewest thy self to be a gainsayer and what hast thou to do to talk of qualifications who would make truth changeable truth changes not Obj. And as thou sayest you reason there is no believers in these latter ages because thou sayest they shall cast out devils and speak with new tongues Reply In thy generation there is not but they which believe now speak with new tongues and cast out devils that makes thee to vent forth thy blasphemy against them that doth and here thou shewest thy self to be an unbeliever let the Scriptures judg thee Object And thou sayest The Apostle requires a waiting upon an outward teaching and exhorting Reply Here thou wouldest judg the Apostles teaching which is immediate to be like thy self which are carnal and without who denies ●here is any such Officers Pastors and Teachers now as was then Here thou prov'st thy self to be a Witch who draws people into another thing as thou decla●●st in the 47. page of thy book in thy answer to the eighteenth Query Obj. And thou talk'st of waiting upon the office and living upon the Gospel a temporary and transitory Gospel and yet thou d●niest the same Officers and Teachers as was then Reply There thou art without in another temporary and transitory Gospel as thou call'st it Obj. And whereas thou sayest In these daies th●y shall heap up to themselves Teachers Rep. This is thy self O your selves who saith Teachers are not the same now as was then and here thou com'st under the Prophecy that Paul speaks to Timothy 1 Tim. 2.4 for thou confess●s they are not such as was then Object Whereas thou sayest Can any rational person conceive how preaching is like to be kept up Rep. The preaching of Christ is kept up without thy conceiving for it is not any rational person that keeps up preaching who lives in the conceivings And again thou clearest thy self from the Ministers of Christ who were made Ministers by the will of God and thou who deniest the same teachings to be now as was then art one amongst those Teachers that follows their own lusts phancies and fables and cannot indure sound Doctrine having itching ears turning to fables from the truth thou hast confessed there is no such Teachers now as was then therefore thou and thy company art another in your own w●lls out of the will of God distant from truth and to be them that Peter and the Apostle prophecied of which should come in the last time following your phancies senses and consequences which the eternal Spirit that gave forth the Scriptures ever judged and condemned such Object And whereas thou sayest Thou would'st have them first proved before approved and thou alledgest 1 Tim. 3.10 Rep. And thou deny'st that Office that was then that there is none such now and here thou art disapproved with the Scriptures for it disapproves thee 1 Tim. 3.10 and in the 47. page of thy book Object And in the third particular thou art justi●ying standing praying in the Sinagogues and thou bring'st Solomons examples who pray●● in the behalf of Israel Reply Here thou shewest thy self plainly to be a false Prophet indeed who puts no difference between Solomons praying and the Pharisees who stood praying in the Synagogues Object And whereas thou accusest us that we are against praying Reply Here thou dost lye thy praying we deny who puts no difference between the Heathen and the Saints but the Saints pravers we own and Solomons praying we own Object And thou sayest Your places cannot hardly be called as the Jews Sinagogues was for it was not erected for any spiritual use Rep. No more is yours for thou deniest immediate inspiration and they that did witness imm●diate inspiration was persecuted in the Jews Sinagogues the Saints which meet together in the eternal word denied all the Jews practises which met together in such a mans ●ouse Object Fourth particular and thou dost lye in saying we would have no meetings Rep. Because we do deny such Teachers as thou art and such practises as thou practiseth and such meetings who confesses that you are not the same Pastors and Teachers now as then so then your meetings are not the same but the Teachers as was then we own and the meetings as was then we own for truth changes not But here thou shewest that thou art changed from it who hath confessed that your Teachers is not the same Object F●fth particular thou sayest we are cavelling at places and strikes at persons Reply Thou may'st as well say Christ cavelled at persons do not speak Christs words who art thou

that thou car'st oppose him who said they was called of men Master have the chiefest places in the Assemblies stand praying in the Sinagogues and thus he shews to the multitude how they may be known and here thou art known and seen who would justifie that which Christ cried against in thy ambition and saith you have not cause to reject those things he cried woe against as to be called of men Master and have the chiefest places in the Assemblies those things spoke Jesus to the multitude and the multitude seeing his word as thou may'st read in Mat. 23. if you will own the Scriptures to be truth and thou bring'st Philip and the Goalor came to Paul and Silas and said Sirs and these words thou bring'st to oppose Christs words who said be ye not called of men Masters And here thou declar'st rhy self to be an open Antichrist who opposes Christ I charge thee in the presence of the Lord for Christ saith be not ye called of men Master for ye have one Master even Christ and all ye are Brethren and thou bring'st the Goalors words to oppose Christ Acts 16.30 Christs Doctrine denied to be called of men Master Object And thou sayest That in Mat. 23. those words will stand us in no steed which were Christs words Rep. Here thou dost say Christs words will stand us in no stead thou deniest his Doctrine and teacheth for Doctrine the Traditions of men and there thou shewest another Doctrine which is damnable and cursed Object And thou sayest The title of Mastery is a civil respect and importts a civil honour Rep. Here thou shewest the Master thou serves who denies the Doctrine of Christ and how canst thou believe which seeks honour of another Object And whereas thou sayest It is a meer slander to speak against them who have the chiefest places in the Assemblies and art called of men Master Rep. Here thou might'st as well call Christ a slanderer who spoke against all those things which thou seek'st to justifie in the sight of the world but in the sight of God is condemned and of all who are of God and by them thou art judged Object And whereas thou sayest The Apostle saith giving honour go one before another Rep. What hast thou to do to talk of the Apostle who denies the same teaching to be now as was then for the condition we own which must be honoured But thou hast declared thou never heard'st Gods voice nor waits for it and so declares thy self to be a Heathen that knows not God to whom he will render vengeance in flam●s of fire and that is not honoured of God nor none of his but we honour all men in the Lord. Obj. And whereof thou accusest us of destroying relation Reply All such relations as is contrary to Christ and his Doctrine we d●ny And who would take the ●itle from Christ to be called of men Master and layest thou wilt not reject it h●re thou shews forth thy presumption to be called of m●n Master let all people see if you own that Christ which the Scripture sp●aks of who forbad it Mat 23. Bu● you would take the title from him who art for destruction who shews that Christ never sent thee for if he had you would abide in his Doctrine which thou dost deny and who takes the Apos●l●s words to just●fie that to oppose Christs words who spoke to them that were in the state of servants and Masters Earth makes Masters but the time will come as with the Master so with the servant he that can receive it let him as Philemon Paul's doctrine to him who can receive it may Quer. 19. Whether a man shall ●v●r grow up that he need no man teach him under your Ministery yea or no seeing the Apostle saith You need no man teach you and you which have been long teachers how many have you brought up in this condition Ans And in thy answer to this Query thou sayest Such opposition as excludes all humane helps you do confess That no man is ever like to grow up so high Reply Here thou art not so far as some of thy fellows for they deny humane helps though they be in the same nature that t●ou art in and he that grows up in perfection grows out of ignorance and humane helps the Ap●stles said they knew all things but this thou hast denyed and calls it an hyperbolyc●l expression Obj. And thou sayest they may grow in a sence under teaching of Ministers among you to know all the truths of the Gospel and yet thou denyes immediate inspiration and the same teaching ●ow as was then and yet thou sayest in a comparative sence they may not need teachers Reply This is thy sence who hast denied the Doctrine of C●●●●nd thy confused stuff which comes out of thy bottle and Peters Ex●ortation and Pauls thou hast chared thy self from for thou sayest the same t●●chings are not now ●s w●re 〈◊〉 and th● Church of Christ we d●●●●itness to be he p●liar and ground 〈◊〉 truth which you ha●e c●ared your selves from and ●●om the Teachers Past●●s and Elders of it who s●i●● there is none such now as were th●● wh● would mak● truth changeable and 〈◊〉 thou art a 〈◊〉 in thy own g●n●ra●ion who knows not God manifested in flesh just●fi●d inspirit seen of Angels preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world Obj. And you say you have answered our questions agreeable to the Scriptures Reply There is another lye let the reader read them and prove whether thou hast not spoken contrary to the Scriptures and all thy consequences and sences are contradicted with us and den●●d and trampled upon with all knowing Christians who are in Christ and thou art he whose desire is to destroy the Scriptures who would subvert the faith of the Gosp●l who leads people captive after thy own delusions who hast denied Pastors teachers and Officers now as in the time of the Aposti●s and here you have cleared your selves to be no Pastors no E●●●rs no Offic●rs but a likeness or an imag● which Go● forb●ds for thou sayest there is not any suc● Officers P●stor and teachers as was then then you are 〈◊〉 ●alse and to b● denyed who are contrary to the Scriptures for with it you are proved and with the life judged and your prayers we d●ny for God hath opened our eyes by which 〈…〉 you del●●ed poor creatures who are thus sold under d●●usion as thou 〈…〉 and Gods E●ection thou knows noth●ng of but are s●a●●d and ●●p 〈◊〉 by the Devil who art led captive for the present after his will this all who are in the Eternal light there will thee see ANd Eaton thou saith these things thou hast pres●nted for this end and purpose to obstruct their way and stop their further proceedings that their imposture might prevail no longer Here thou hast digged a pit and art fallen into it and laid a snare and art taken I take all the children of light