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A75886	A fannatick's testimony against swearing; being an ansvver to four books, published by John Tombes, Jeremiah Ives, and Theophilus Brabourne; but more especially to that by Henry Den. By Henry Adis, a baptized believer, undergoing the name of a free-willer; and also most ignomineously by the tongue of infamy, called a fannatick, or a mad man.	Adis, Henry.	1661 (1661)	Wing A583; Thomason E1084_2; ESTC R36719	46,294	50

if he shall think to make any rational man believe that if Henry Adis doth prefer Jesus Christ above or before John the Baptist that these two befores can be brought to one and the same for then we must read the former supposal thus Henry Den and Jeremiah Ives came into York above Henry Adis the which to say is meer nonsense And yet this is nothing less then what Henry Den in effect doth assert for Henry Den bringeth a Before which respecteth Time to disprove our Above which respecteth not Time but Estimation but Henry Den may plainly see that if he had brought a Before which respecteth Estimation he would then have read our Text Jam. 5.12 as doth the Rhemist TESTAMENT which readeth thus Before all things my Brethren Swear not which is Henry Den's own Language without any contradiction in the least And what need then all this ado about the Translation as if the Translation did so much alter the sense of the Text as if it should or did alter the thing in ended which the Spirit of God layes down as a Prohibition Swear not so as to be a possitive command ye shall Swear for that is the thing Henry Den intended to beget us to a belief of for he quarrelleth with the Translation for no other end but to prove some Swearing in Communication Lawful but not so much as to have our Communication interwoven with Oaths as in page 6. line 26. is evident which is to prove that Lawful under the Gospel which was never lawful under the Law So that Henry Den I see any thing will serve turn to patch up thy Opinion bare Terms or words without distinctions the which when men use to darken the Counsel of God they run into Confusion as thou doest who by thy Scholarship would make us believe that some Swearing is lawful under the Gospel but I plainly see the good Word of the Lord made good which saith he taketh the Wise in his own Craftinesse and thus the Counsel of the Froward is carried headlong they walk in darknesse in the day time and grope at none-day as in the night Job 5.13.14 The Wisdom of the Humane Learned Wise is brought to nothing and the understanding of the Prudent men is become folly for God hath chosen the Foolish the Weak base things and things that are not to bring to naught the things that are and his end in all this is that no Fleshly Carnal Humane Learned Persons should Glory in his Presence that so his Son and his Spirit alone may be exalted being manifest in the weakness of his People And whereas thou tellest us in thy last page That all these things considered the Ground appears not so sure as it was Fancied To which I Answer That the Ground yet through Mercy standeth firm and those Objections the Pillars thou speakest of in page 3. the which in page 6. thou namest to be Mat. 5.34 and James 5.12 are yet as firm as ever and are as so many STANDING MONVMENTS in the house ●f God which is the Church of the Living God that Ground and Pillar of Truth notwithstanding thy Artificial Workman-ship with thy Greek and Hebrew Translations togegether with the help of thy Brother Jeremiah Ives who followed thee and much mended thy work too yet all in vain for he was but a Learner at the work and although he formerly had bidden Defiance to the Faces of GENERALS COLLONELS and COMMANDERS in open Field in the behalf of his late Masters probably to the gaining of that which now to keep he durst not withstand the assaults of a single MAJOR and his small company and thus betraying his trust in that work in which he was a Master-Builder he very then began this Trade of Undermining when he followed Thee the which although he was so forward to undertake yet he had needed both He and Thy self too to have gone to the University again to have studied to distinguish between things that differ for taking a Vow a Testimony an Asseveration and an Adjuration for an Oath you run Babel-Builders-like into a Confusion and so may pull an old house on your heads in conclusion Samson-like Judg. 16. probably to the wounding and slaying thousands As for Sophistical Syllogistical Science that your fore-runner the Captain of your Work John Tombs as blind as your selves in distinguishing hath been hewing these Pillars withal yet the Foundation is not moved for it was Emanuel that God-mans work to raise them and he must be more then a man that can pull them down And whereas thou tellest us that the ground is not so sure as it was fancied I Answer That in pretending to sh●ke the Foundations thou hast had many Fancies for that thou hast done is meer Fancie and that which never grew in Truths Garden the Holy Scrip●ures but was fetched out of the muddy Channels of Humane Learning and whereas thou tellest us that if the Quaker saith the Light within forbideth him to Swear the consent of Nations thou sayest confuteth him Having already to thy Consent of Nations said so much as I have I shall leave that QUAKER that I heard is answering thy Letter to answer for himself and his Light within and shall onely answer for my self and in the behalf of those that plead Scripture for their Warrant which thou sayest is so weak and shall let thee know that ordinary Grammar School-boys can tell us that as there is weak and weaker so there is also weakest of all even so there are three that have born Testimony against this Truth John Tombs Jeremiah Ives and HENRY DEN and therefore I must continue my Speech to thee and in thine own following words shall say Beware you that have so done lest ye hear who hath required these things at your hands they are thine own words make the best use of them thou canst it is a good caution Physition cure thy self And I shall farther say as thou sayest That Christ forbideth all those Exorbitant and Ex●ravagant Oaths whereof now the Streets and Houses are full a sad presage of some Judgement at hand it was hoped by some that the Kings Proclamation would h●ve restrained such Debauchery but alas it is not so but had the Fiery Zealous Mayor of London and his Officers with the Iustices of Pe●ce of the City and Liberty of Westmnister and the Out-Parishes with them of the several Shires and Counties been but half as careful to have put the Penalty of that Proclamation into Execution and have followed it to the height as they have done the Observation of that Proclamation for shutting up the Peaceable Innocent Harmlesse Meetings of us the Despised Abused Baptists and in their so Eager and Inhumane Committing us to Prison even to the Ruine of our Families unlesse we who are in the Gate-House Prison be willing to pay Traytors Fees I say If the Mayor and Iustices as aforesaid had been but as Zealous for Gods Glory the Goo● of the King and

Gospel Disciples in their Communication by the allowance of Christ may Swear nay must Swear for that thou bringest it to prove as will be evident anon though that Communication must not be overballanced with Oaths so as that the greatest part of our Communication be Oaths for thy tearms wholly and altogether doth admit of some Swearing and that thou doest no lesse then say thy self for these terms wholly and altogether thou bringest in opposition to Christ words Swear not at all to prove the lawfulnesse of some Swearing so that thou sayest our Communication should not be interwoven with Oaths as much as if thou shouldest say every other word or every other sentence should not be an Oath yet thy speech is as good as if in so many words thou shouldest say that the verity of every three or four sentences must be confirmed with an Oath or at the least some Oaths must be used by the appointment of Christ for the Confirmation of our Communication by which Translation of thine thou wouldest perswade Gospel Disciples to be of another conversation than Christ requires they should for Christ saith Swear not all or let your Communication be wholly and altogether without Oaths thou sayest talk what you will but Swear not over much yet be sure you Swear in your Communication yet let not your Communication be wholly nor altogether interwoven with Oaths And now must I say to thee Comparatively as once the Lord spake to Adam in the Garden Gen. 3.9 and say Henry Den where art thou art thou in and amongst the Briery Bushes of Humane Learning whilst thou shouldst be in the Garden of God disclosing the things of God by the assistance of the Spirit of God Art thou covering thy self with the Fig-leaves of thine own Wit when thou shouldest have been cloathed upon with that cloathing that is from Above Art thou thus Goliah-like fighting in thine own strength when the Lord Christ saith That without Him thou canst do nothing John 15.9 therefore know that it is hard to be found fighting against God Acts 5.39 What is the cause thou art found asserting things thou knowest not how to prove for in page the third thou tellest us that to prevent the impendent evil consequences necessarily following of those that cannot Swear at all thou shalt labour to prove the lawfulnesse of an Oath in a Serious and Weighty Matter which cannot otherwise be determined and yet in conclusion this Mountainous pretence of a Serious and Weighty Matter that cannot otherwise be determined is nothing else but a meer nothing of frivolous Communication Thy pretence was to prove that Swearing that was Lawful under the Law to be Lawful under the Gospel in opposition to those sayings of CHRIST Mat. 5.34 Swear not at all And this thou hast endeavoured to do by bringing in an Exception to the Translation and that under a pretence that thou hadst the Ballance of the Sanctuary to try it by but thou and thy Ballance being all weighed in the true Ballance thou as to what thou wouldest prove art found too light but thy translation to wit wholly and altogether is found full weight and such as in reason agreeth with the Lip of Truth which saith Swear not at all In opposition to whose words in p. 6. and in p. 7. thou bringest several Scriptures to prove the truth of the Translation as 1 Cor. 5.1 and 1 Cor. 6.7 and 1 Cor. 15.29 the which is a good evidence for what I say seeing the Translation speaketh so much Truth and doth so well agree with the Word of Truth So that instead of proving that SWEARING to be Lawful under the GOSPEL that was allowed under the Law thou in so many words endeavourest to prove that that Swearing is Lawful under the Gospel that was never Lawful under the LAW for it was never lawful to Swear in Communication yet when thou hast proved what thou canst prove it is nothing else but Swearing in Communication so that that Scripture Job 28.2 may be fitly applyed to Thee for who art thou that darknest Counsel by words without knowledge yea the counsel of that HOLY CHILD JESUS upon whose shoulders the Government of the Gospel-Church is who is that same that is Born unto us Isa 9.6 and is called Wonderful Counsellour the Mighty God the Everlasting Father the Prince of Peace who as a Son over his own House Heb. 3.6 hath given this Word of Counsel Mat. 5.34 Swear not at all but let your yea be yea and your nay nay I say notwithstanding this word of Counsel what he would not have us to do and what he would have us to do that is that we should be of a singular Conversation walking in the Integrity of our Souls as in the presence of the all-seeing God the Searcher of all Hearts So as that we shew forth his Praise and shine as Lights in the World adorning the Gospel of Christ by an Honest Peaceable Innocent Quiet Harmlesse True and Spotlesse Conversation both in Words and Actions for our Conversation as to men is nothing else but our Conversings with the Sons and Daughters of men and that is by Words and Actions and as he requireth our Actions should be Innocent and Harmlesse True and without Fraud So also our Tongues that they speak Truth without either Swearing or Forswearing truly and without guile A part of which Counsel thou endeavourest to darken by thy deep Learning The which that thou mayest the better effect thou tellest us that thou hast one thing more to add to help thee which is That it is concluded by the Antients that the Gospel of Matthew was written in the Hebrew Tongue as Hierom more then Ten Times and Eusebius saith the same that he wrote his Gospel in his own Country Language and he cites the same out of Papia Saint Johns Auditor and out of Irenias who was the Scholar of Policarpus who was the Scholar of Saint John and the rest of the Apostles also telling to us that thou hast many other Witnesses saying that thou hast consulted the Hebrew Copy which thou hast received from the hands of Sebastian Munster which he rescued out of the Hands of the JEWS I could wish thou wouldest stick to something that so I might know where to find thee first thou tellest us that the Greek is the true Translation and anon the Hebrew one time this is an Oath and anon that which was an Oath is now something equivolent to an Oath now thou wilt shew us this then that is the way now thou art up then thou art down and thus when thou hast pleaded for the Greek then thou tellest us that the Hebrew renders it Swear not in every way and that is the Truth I Answer If it were found in the Greek then not in the Hebrew if in the Hebrew then not in the Greek and upon this account thou tellest us that our first Pillar stands upon a doubtful nay upon an unwarrantable Interpretation But