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A86117 Collonel James Hays speech to the Parlament upon the debate concerning toleration. As it was taken by Anonimus a Member of the House, and sent to the press with this epigram on the author. [dagger] Fælix fifa suis cælebrata Catonibus eheu! clodius in miseros furit, & Catalina Britannos. [dagger] Henderson ... Carlisle, James Hay, Earl of, ca. 1612-1660.; Brummet, Christoph.; England and Wales. Parliament. House of Commons. 1655 (1655) Wing H1201; Thomason E828_4; ESTC R202584 15,186 32

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first before you come unto the particular Churches as it is set down in the Revelation of Saint John which was a vision of the Church As it was from the beginning and shall continue to the end of the world How sweet is it to observe the order of God in his wil toward the Church as it pleased him to reveal it to Saint John where you find 1. Seals 2. Trumpets 3. Vials with us Churches Laws Penalties seven Seals opened seven Trumpets blown seven Vials powred forth To each Church called God gives and proclaims the law to the law proclaimed he appends the Anathema ordains the penalties denounces Judgment on the Rebellious And this you wil find verified in the particular survey of the several Churches in order The first whereof is the Archetypical Church the Church of Angels God Sir being unum verum bonum the only true Good and the nature of good being Esse sui diffusivum God in the contemplation of his own goodness did beget in himself a desire to diffuse it and make it communicable and practicable which could not be without creatures Therefore did he create the Archetyp wherin the shapes and Ideas of all things were breathed and there and then did he send forth the spotles intelligences who doth inhabite that infinite vacuity which is filled with the Majesty of God whose Religion and work it is to sing praise honor and glory to the Jasper on the Throne with the rain-bow about him Thus Sir was the first seal opened the first mystery revealed the first Church called by the Lamb even the Bereshith rhe principium principians the word and wisdom of the Father by whom al things were made The characters of which Church were a white horse a Crown and bow The Ensigns of Candor Victory and triumph So was it and shal continue a pure victorious triumphant Church Then was the first Trumpet blown the first Viall powred out the first Law proclaimed the Anathema appended the first vengeance denounced against the Rebels the authors of division the fountain of Toleration In the constitution of this Church Sir there was but one God known by the one great ineffable Name 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 One Sephiroth one Emanation one great power one company of Angels of one mind thinking the same and singing the like all things in common amongst them none knowing more than other to none a more ful Vision of God than the rest no place or possession peculiar to any this is the nature of Angels Sir thus it was thus it is and thus it shall bee with these blessed spirits for ever and ever .. The name of toleration was not known here heresie a stranger to this happy society til Lucifer and his tender Conscience brake forth There is a proverb which in all Ages of the Church hath been found of universal truth namely that God had never a Church but the Devill had a Chappel in some corner thereof Sir all Religion hath its superstition all Doctrine its heresie and here it did begin even in this the purest and perfectest Church that ever was or shal be The Devil emulous of the glory and greatness of God would needs set up his own Image erect a congregation of his own by dividing that blessed unity into two Right wrong truth and falsehood But what came of it Sir was he tolerated was he suffered to go so No the spirit of unity and truth went out against him with crown and bow and conquering did conquer the prince of Darkness cast him out of the congregation deprived him the happiness of Heaven and thurst him down to Hel and the earth to have his dominion amongst the sons of Men hence that Church purchased and shall while the world lasts enjoy the name of Triumphant By this punishment God did not only condemn toleration assert the truth the unity of Worship the entirenes of Religion clearly holding forth that he would admit of no copartner in the Worship and praises of the Angels but also did declare the detestable nature of heresie and how unsupportable a thing it was and thus did he by the power of his own Councel which cannot etr reunite the Church again The second Church was the Paternal church that whereof Adam under God was Lord and High Priest In the constitution of this church you 'l find there was but One God one man one commandment one Religion one way of Worshipping that God one treasure and common fortune for all one body to enjoy that fortune one mind in that body Adam knew none above God loved none as God served none but God feared none besides God There was no heresie in Doctrine here no schism in discipline Adam stood in need of none to teach him and as few to enforce him to obey All was one Sir an universal Oneness this was the first and great model amongst men Thus was the second Seal opened the second Mystery revealed the second Church called the Law proclaimed Eat not of the Tree of knowledg c. Gen 2.17 The Anathema appended The day thou eatest thou shalt surely dye comparatively like in every thing to the pattern the Archetypicall Church onely differing in the prophetical characters the red horse and the sword the badges of blood war and man-slaughter signifying that this Church should be liable to many and great temptations and the spirit of the times much addicted to blood cruelty and revenge All things here were answerable to the pattern til the appearing of Satan and founding of heresie by him Then were the characters of this Seal made manifest and read in Mundo The pure perfect and Trinial unitie the prop and pillar of all societies rent asunder and all turned to confusion Nothing now but blood and War God against man and man against God Father against Son and Brother against Brother and the Devil against all and all for Religions sake Adam was one and the Devil made two and that was Heresie God had a Temple and now begins Satan to have a Synagogue God had his Priest and the Devil his Chaplain Abel of one mind Cain of another Cain draws the sword Abel is therewith killed Thus the unity of mind the unity of bodies rent in two Isaac had one portion and Ishmael had another Isaac the promise Ishmael what he could gain his hand against all and all against him Thus came the happy and harmless unity of fortune into the community of possession to be converted into the miserable and turbulent Law of property Jacob was of one mind Esau of another he chose the birth-right even Sacrum sacerdotii Sir Esaw somwhat else Mammon Dominium ventriculi the possessions of this Earth the things of this world Nay look over the whole Paternal time even from Adam to Moses you l find nothing but heresie in doctrine and schism and division in the matter of worship The impression of the red horse seconded with War blood and wounds The miserable effects of
COLLONEL JAMES HAYS SPEECH TO THE PARLAMENT Upon the Debate concerning TOLERATION As it was taken by Anonimus A Member of the House and sent to the Press with this EPIGRAM on the Author † 〈…〉 Faelix fifa suis caelebrata Catonibus Eheu Clodius in miseros furit Catalina Britannos Printed in the Year 1655. Coll JAMES HAYS Speech to the Parlament upon the Debate concerning TOLERATION Mr. Speaker SOlomon hath a notable advertisement Prov 21.23 Who keepeth his mouth and his tongue keepeth his soul from troubles and yet my spirit whispers me in the ear that whosoever at this time keepeth his mouth involveth his soul in trouble To me the Declaration of Jesus appeareth on the wall Mat 10.33 Whosoever denieth me before men him will I deny before my father which is in Heaven Sir the ties of God are upon me for my self and the people for whom I serve here is not the Lords prerogative are not the privilidges of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ call'd now in question if I should hold my peace how might my silence be interpreted suffer me therefore Sir in all submission to speak to the matter of your present Debate which in it self is of so high concernment and will undoubtedly p●ove of that consequence to this Common-wealth that much of the future peace and happines of the State will depend upon it There hath been much arguing these dayes bygone concerning a general Toleration and liberty of Conscience Sir before you can happily discern either way in this question I suppose you 'l find it necessary to turn your eye toward Religion upon which this Toleration Indulgence and Liberty doth reflect Religion Sir is that which ties the mind of Man to God it is that requires the Princes of the earth to rule in meekness Justice and sobriety it 's that commands the subject to obey with love and alacrity and that unites the minds of men amongst themselves Hence the unity of bodies the combining in one politique society from whence the unity of fortunes the mind ruling the body and the body the interest and goods which three are the only props and pillars of all States and Incorporations in the world It 's a true aphorisme Quibus non unio voluntatum non potest esse una habitatio for as the soul rules over the body natural by authority and proper dominion and the spirit by deputation so doeth Religion the soul of the body politique rule over the State so absolutely that if it be in distemper the spirit wil doubtless be out of frame and the body in danger A sick soul sir will disorder the soundest spirit the strongest body how often hath it made the feet to precipice the bulk how often the hands to cut the throat is it so Sir then what shall become of that State where Religion is misframed O! shall not the Rulers rage and the people miscarry I beseech you look narrowly to this lest by granting too large a Toleration you dishonour God and disorder the State I am far from the opinion of those who ascribe unto themselves the dispensation and interpretation of the Law converting their own wil into a Law allowing the world no immediat warrant for their faith but their simple authority by these means changing the company of rationall beleevers into a hive of hooded smatterers I do also much differ in point of judgment from these who misregarding all Law and Ecclesiastick constitution and practises strive to turne the bounded christian the houshold of faith into a drove of Rambling untied untoward Enthusiasts Mistake me not Sir I do not reflect in the least upon any sober-minded christian whom in my soul I love and honor with my heart No Sir of those I mean of whom it may be said I fear they profess God with their mouths but live without him in the world That you may the better decide in this matter and perfectly discern both what to tolerate and what to cast out I would have you keep a mids betwixt these two extreams First Sir let the Law and prior Ecclesiastick practises grounded on that Law be your Rule otherwise you will turn all into Anarchie again and live at random assure your self Si terminos a Deo naturae constitutos transiveris qued ultra est infinitum est No man can tel what you 'l not do for you know that Dato uno absurdo infinita sequntur and I fear if you overleap the Law and practise of the Church there wil be nothing after but Scelus scelere vindicatum One crime made good by another Secondly Sir I would have you to try the truth of that Law the verity of these practises these I humbly conceive will be your best guides through this desert of Toleration Over all you wil find their was one uniformity in Religion no such Toleration as is here aimed at no liberty no indulgence as to fundamentals wil you consult the unwritten Divine and natural Law it wil tel you it was so ab initio Advise with the written Law the Scriptures the Law of Nations and they 'l shew you it was commanded to be so Enquire at Reason and she wil assure you it ought to be so Look into the practises of the purest primest ecclesiastick soeieties and they 'l declare it was so All which being found I cannot conceive why it ought not to be so stil amongst you and the rather because there is nothing more certain then all Ecclesiastick societies were bounded by Laws and who is so ignorant as not to know or so impudent as to deny that every Law hath a double facultie namely one suasorie another obligatorie By the first without the last it differeth nothing from a Counsel It may as a vertue perswade but cannot as a duty oblige It is the last the obligatorie part that maketh the law it is the form of the law and gives it being and he who affirmitively wil declare such a thing to be a Law and negatively say that law hath no compulsorie power and that no man shall be tied to obedience by penalties or otherwise he must pardon me to tel him he makes no Law at all I speak this for you Sir who hath declared the true Christian Protestant reformed Religion to be the profession of England If you shall on the other part declare that none shall be compelled thereto by penalties or otherwise but that all shall be protected in the exercise of their Religion though differing in judgment from the publick profession In this case I desire to know what you have done I say you have made no law for that profession but on the contrary a Law against it for your negative doth closely stifle your affirmative and makes that you aimed at for a law to be of no force but leaves all to a graceless libertie For the clearing of all Sir I conceive it will be necessary to take a view of the generall state of the Church