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judicatories_n have_v a_o ministerial_a authoritative_a or_o imperative_a but_o no_o magisterial_a despoticall_a or_o imperial_a authoritative_a power_n over_o the_o inferior_a that_o be_v subordinate_a unto_o they_o item_n that_o they_o may_v inflict_v upon_o inferior_a church_n in_o case_n of_o disobedience_n spiritual_a though_o no_o corporal_a punishment_n or_o pecuniary_a mulct_n or_o such_o like_a civil_a punishment_n chap._n ii_o contain_v some_o imaginary_a and_o ridiculous_a contradiction_n object_v by_o m.s._n to_o a.s._n remove_v but_o before_o i_o prove_v my_o conclusion_n i_o must_v pray_v the_o reader_n to_o remark_a in_o pass_v the_o falschood_n and_o manifold_a cavillation_n whereby_o this_o m.s._n salute_v he_o in_o the_o entry_n of_o this_o question_n for_o this_o be_v his_o safe_a way_n for_o the_o present_a howbeit_o it_o can_v but_o prove_v damnable_a in_o the_o end_n 1._o he_o say_v that_o presbyterian_o agree_v not_o about_o the_o author_n of_o this_o subordination_n of_o ecclesiastical_a judicatories_n and_o presbyterian_a government_n whether_o it_o be_v juris_fw-la divini_fw-la or_o humani_fw-la as_o if_o some_o of_o they_o esteem_v it_o to_o be_v juris_fw-la divini_fw-la other_o juris_fw-la humani_fw-la ecclesiastici_fw-la other_o juris_fw-la naturalis_fw-la other_o partim_fw-la juris_fw-la divini_fw-la partim_fw-la naturalis_fw-la aut_fw-la mixti_fw-la 2._o he_o say_v that_o a.s._n contradict_v himself_o in_o the_o same_o manner_n for_o refutation_n whereof_o i_o need_v not_o but_o to_o propound_v our_o opinion_n which_o be_v thus_o 1._o all_o the_o presbyterian_a discipline_n and_o special_o subordination_n of_o ecclesiastical_a judicatories_n quoad_fw-la essentialia_fw-la aut_fw-la substantialia_fw-la in_o its_o essential_a part_n be_v juris_fw-la divini_fw-la aut_fw-la naturalis_fw-la i._n e._n authorise_a by_o god_n divine_a law_n or_o by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n 2._o presbyterian_a discipline_n quoad_fw-la 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state_n and_o civil_a government_n judge_n or_o senate_n who_o have_v the_o dogmatic_a power_n have_v also_o the_o corrective_a or_o coercive_a power_n and_o there_o be_v the_o same_o reason_n for_o both_o 6._o the_o text_n contain_v no_o such_o thing_n neither_o can_v they_o show_v we_o in_o any_o part_n of_o scripture_n any_o ground_n for_o any_o such_o division_n of_o these_o two_o power_n neither_o can_v that_o silly_a grammatical_a observation_n of_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d serve_v they_o for_o the_o apostle_n serve_v not_o himself_o of_o this_o word_n in_o the_o whole_a latitude_n of_o all_o its_o grammatical_a signification_n that_o it_o may_v have_v according_a to_o its_o etymology_n and_o derivation_n but_o in_o a_o legal_a way_n as_o it_o be_v take_v in_o law_n for_o placitum_fw-la statutum_n institutum_fw-la decretum_fw-la edictum_fw-la as_o in_o the_o civil_a law_n wherein_o these_o word_n signify_v law_n or_o ordinance_n and_o calvin_n tell_v we_o in_o lexico_fw-la juridico_fw-la that_o dogma_fw-la est_fw-la lex_fw-la docens_fw-la scientiam_fw-la fidei_fw-la l._n 2._o f._n f._n ad_fw-la senatus-con_a vellejan_n decretum_fw-la &_o senatus-consultum_fw-la significat_fw-la pro_fw-la quo_fw-la modestinus_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d f._n f._n de_fw-fr excus_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d dixit_fw-la now_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v nothing_o else_o but_o decretum_fw-la scitum_fw-la plebiscitum_fw-la the_o cause_n wherefore_o the_o apostle_n take_v it_o in_o a_o court_n or_o law-signification_n be_v because_o that_o they_o be_v make_v ecclesiastical_a law_n and_o so_o take_v it_o ratione_fw-la subjectae_fw-la materiae_fw-la 7._o and_o this_o may_v be_v confirm_v because_o they_o be_v not_o only_o call_v dogmata_fw-la but_o it_o be_v add_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o the_o text_n i._n e._n quae_fw-la decreta_fw-la fuerunt_fw-la ab_fw-la apostolis_n that_o be_v decree_v by_o the_o apostle_n 8._o and_o what_o else_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d but_o to_o dogmatise_v or_o to_o bring_v in_o a_o new_a opinion_n custom_n or_o ceremony_n col._n 2.20_o which_o here_o be_v not_o do_v by_o any_o private_a man_n but_o by_o authority_n of_o a_o council_n 9_o neither_o can_v the_o author_n of_o this_o evasion_n ever_o show_v we_o that_o dogma_fw-la in_o law_n be_v take_v for_o a_o power_n mere_o dogmatic_a separate_v from_o all_o coercive_a or_o corrective_a power_n and_o moreover_o if_o this_o will_v not_o satisfy_v they_o we_o have_v act._n 15._o v._n 24._o to_o who_o we_o command_v no_o such_o thing_n ergo_fw-la those_o of_o antioch_n suppose_v that_o that_o council_n at_o jerusalem_n have_v power_n to_o command_v and_o the_o council_n deni_v not_o that_o they_o have_v power_n to_o command_v but_o the_o act_n of_o the_o power_n viz._n that_o they_o have_v command_v any_o such_o thing_n v._n 28._o it_o seem_v good_a to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o to_o we_o to_o lay_v upon_o you_o no_o great_a 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