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A89851	A second answer to Thomas Moore, to that which he calls, his Defence against the poyson, &c. Wherein is shewed the crooked wayes, the Serpent is forced to take to keep God and his creatures at a distance, and yet would do it under the name of a teacher. But is seen to be the same, that perswaded man out from his guide in spirit, and now would keep him so, lest his unclean wayes in the heart of man should be discovered with the spiritual light of Christ; and so man should turn to the Lord, who is that spirit, and the vail be done away, ... Here is also 54. lies gathered out from amongst a multitude more, with T.M. hath heaped up for his defence, against the truth, which he calles the poyson of Satan, which are sent him back to the 48. that I sent him before, that he may either prove them, or they root with the founder, for the truth they touch not. / Set forth to clear the truth from this froth, cast upon it by the enemy thereof, By a friend to the seed of truth, called James Naylor.	Naylor, James, 1617?-1660.	1656 (1656)	Wing N314; Thomason E868_9; ESTC R202991	29,892	39

in the Church of the living God the Pillar and ground of truth which Church was in God and God in them who did dwell in them and walk in them and they knew that what God was in Christ he was in them as they had received Christ according to these Scriptures John 14. 20 21. 23. John 17. 23. and they knew that they was the Temples of God which Temples was holy in which God was known and manifest to dwell and walk 1 Cor. 3. 16 17. 2 Cor. 6. 16. And if any had not the Father and the Son in them they was warned Nnot to receive them into their houses 2 John 9. 10. And therefore they was to try all Antichrists who denyed Christ in their flesh as thou dost and so all Idoll-Shepheards and Hirelings who had not God in them they denyed and those that was without God they saw them to be in the world and so the world would hear them but them in whom God was they knew not but as thou dost now to envy and reproach 1 John 4. 3 4 5 6. 12 13 15 16 17. So that which I have said of thee is no slander being proved out of thy own mouth afterward contradicted by plain Scripture and thou proved to be that Antichrist who art without God in the world denying Christ now in the flesh and God also and knowes not the great mystery of God manifest in flesh which was great and is great though thou know it not now no more then the blinde guides did then And thy cover is that that word Christ is personally absent from us while we are in these bodies upon earth I say thou may stop thy mouth for any knowledge thou hast of Christ personall or spirituall he was never known to the Idoll-Teachers and Hirelings and blinde Guides and such as preacht for gifts and rewards such never knew his person nor appeanance Had there not been a letter we should have little talk of Christ or his appearance with thy Generation of Chemerims who have alwayes put his appearance into another Generation wherein thou exceeds all thy Predecessors who would binde him in Heaven while he is and while any man lives which seeing thou goes about to deny I shall repeat thy words which are these in thy first book page 36. That he remains in the Heavens as opposed to the Earth and where while he is he is personally absent from us while we are in these bodies on Earth and yet with the same shameless mouth Jer. 4. 22. am I accused as a lyer for telling thou hast limitted his person from the Earth till Dooms-day as it is call'd when thy words reaches further even to while he is which is as much as to say for ever thou blinde Sot wilt thou limit the Lord in Heaven who fills Heaven and Earth who after he had descended into the lower parts of the Earth ascended far above all Heavens that he might fill all things And was not this the person of Christ Ephes 4. 9 10. which descended and ascended and that above all Heavens which now filleth all things which thou would limit in Heaven Art not thou blinde as to the letter it selfe was he personally absent from any of his dear Lambs in their sufferings though but once in the likeness of sinful flesh to growe from a Child to a mans state that in himself alone he might work Redemption and leave a living example of faith and obedience temptings and sufferings to all Generations that believe and for that end was he lifted up that through him all might believe yet hath he appeared in divers forms both before his sufferings and since Mark 16. 12. wherein he is not personally absent was he personally absent from the three Children in the Furnace Dan. 3. 25 Was he personally absent from John in the I le of Patmos Reveb 1 Was he personally absent from Paul who confesseth his personall presence 2 Cor. 2. 10 Nay thy selfe sayes page 2. of thy first book that Paul with his bodily eyes did behold the person of Christ after his asscention and this thou could make use on in thy dispute to plead against any immediate Call from God and now thou would limit him to a place while he is Cease thy Imaginations about the person of Christ the Serpent is as blinde about the person of Christ as he was about the body of Moses yet will he be disputing to see if he can get in Christ is revealed in the light whose person is before the world was and by whom the world was made which light thou calls a familiar Spirit as thy Fathers called him Beelzebub so much knowes the carnall Imaginations of his person or his light wherein he leads out of the world to reveal his person to them that follow it Is not Christ whereever the right hand of God is though the blinde see him not Col. 1. 15. 16 17. was not the person of Christ with him when he made the World and by him he made it was not he at the right hand of God in Davids time Psal 110. 1. And is not he at the right hand of God in the New Creation And is not be in Christ reconciling the world unto himself whereby they become of his flesh and his bone Was it not the person of Christ that came in amongst his Disciples the doors being shut And was it not the person of Christ that said he would come again to them though he had yet to ascend Which Joh. 14. 18 23. till then the work he had to do was not wholly done and wilt thou now bind him as a man in a Chair who fills Heaven and Earth yea who is fat above all Heavens yea Ephes 4. 10. where ever the right hand of God reaches he is there and without him present he doth nothing Cease vain man thou knows not whom thou would limit who limits the word to be personally absent from Believers All the Devils in Hell cannot limit him absent from his Lambs in their greatest straits who though he be to be preacht in Heaven yet is he not to be limited from the Earth whom the Heaven of Heavens cannot contain Ephes 4. 9 10. Nor doth that place Act. the 3. limit him though it say the Heavens must receive him which the world will not but saith upon their repentance God will send him whom the Heavens hath received As in many other places his appearance is promised waiting for and received as he is in himself not in imagination and in this book thou denies him as Mediator to be in Man because the Letter sayes between God and Man thou sayes not in man thou may as well say not in God so much thou knows of him in thee Read Christs words Joh. 14. 20. if he be not in God and in Man And whereas thou would accuse me for asking thee if thou dost not deny the Resurrection of the Body in saying No man as

11. 34 35. 36. that the light of the body is the eye and if it be single the whole body is full of light as the bright shining of a Candle doth give light And keep thy heart with all diligence for from thence are the Issues of life And saith Thy word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin and Commune with your own hearts and be still and the Law of God is written in the heart and the heart of the wise Prov. 4. 23 Psal 119. 11. Psal 4. Heb. 8. 10. Prov. 16. 23. Joh. 16. 13 teacheth his mouth and the spirit of truth is that which must lead into all truth Nay doth not all the Scriptures testifie to the light and spirit-teaching within and that they are none of Christs who have not the spirit of Christ and is it counted a familiar spirit now with thee Now is it seen to all the Children of the light that Antichrist is revealing as the Scriptures hath foretold and the Man of sin pleading against freedom from sin and the blinde Guids preaching against the light and he that is born of the flesh against the spirit and its teachings and the Children of darkness against the light that manifests the evill deeds and he is discovering who abode not in the truth and the spirit and light is that truth which thou would preach down to lead out into the world where the lyer is who hates the light because his deeds are evill And this is thy work in thy books and to thy Master and his work thou art faithful using thy utmost subtlety to do his work thorowly to preach Christ out of his Creatures that none should minde his light and spirit but without in another world that so the Devill may have his will in the heart in this World while any one lives and serve God and be made free when they are dead and can do their Master no more service if they would and when thou hast struck them off from looking at any light or spirit within then like the Serpent least his head should be seen thou hides thy selfe with telling of Not to lean to their own understanding and sayes thou though the word be nigh them in their hearts that it might be yet it is not received by them in their hearts or dwelling there as a light or principle to direct them while in their naturall estate when thou hast done what thou can to perswade them that the looking to it is but as to a familiar spirit But is that their own understanding which condemns their natural understanding as they are fallen from God and lets them see that all their understanding wisdom and prudence is God hid from and manifests all their deeds in that state to be evill this hath every natural man in him from the Father of Spirits which manifestation of spirit is given to every one to profit withall if it be but minded and not quenched and without this can be no knowledge of God and if this Candle be put out there is no doing the work of God till it be lighted further then to wait and there is no waiting but with the heart in spirit till it shine out of darkness again and till then all the Creature doth is but deeds of darkness and not accepted by God his prayers are abomination and his plowing sin yea though all the world should flatter such a one they could not save him nor unite him to God nor give peace of Conscience with God nor Sealing in spirit and this the Children of light know though blinde Serpents and deaf Adders oppose it who walk in crast and deceit but the Apostles who handled not the word deceitfully did commend themselves to that in every mans 2 Cor. 4. 2. Conscience in the sight of God and the Ministration of Christ is to the spiritual seed whereby the spiritual seed is quickned and raised out of darkness and death but the Ministration of the Hireling and false Prophet is to the itching eares and so the Beast and the false Prophet joynes against the seed of God to keep it in death and darkness and if it be born up then they persecute him in whom it is born And these take the letter there with to deny the light and oppose that spirit that gave it forth and whereof the letter restifies because they have not the John 5. word abiding within them and this was the work of the Pharises and Hirelings but never any one of Christs Ministers denyed the light and spirit within as thou dost yet slaidly and covertly so as if thou be taxt for it thou may have an excuse to come out of and deny thy work with a meaning and consequence but if none disproves thee then goes on with thy work to lead out simple people from the light of Christ in spirit to follow thy Imaginations without a spirit and light without which thou never saw Yet in this one thing there is not many exceeds thee for when ever thou layes down a deceit the end whereof is to deny the light or spirit or perfection or to slander any who own the truth in these things thou makes sure before thou leave it to make two or three wayes for escape least it fall upon thy head knowing before the thing to be such thou cannot stand by with Scripture and this the least Child of Light may see in thy books wherefore I shall not much need to trace thee therein the thing being so plainly evident to all that in the light read thy books and my answers thereto And when thou hast told a lie and being told thereof thou on purpose having left out a word or syllable there thou makes an escape As for instance in thy answer to the last Query which asks What that grace of God is which brings salvation and hath appeared to all men thy lie is that indeed we believe no such thing as the grace of God appearing to men which I finding this to be as answer to the Query I tell thee Thou answers with a slander saying that indeed we believe no such thing as the grace of God appearing to all men now thou having left out the word all for escape which is in the Query and in the Scripture also In thy defence sayes thou my words are They believe no such thing as the grace of God appearing to men and this thou would charge upon me to be a lie when the lie is thy own and hath both abused the Query and the Scripture on which the Query is grounded leaving out the word all to make it and such holes as this thou creeps out of to hide the lyer from being seen And in other places where thou hast gone a crooked way to fetch a compasse to make a lie for otherwise thou could not which when I come to answer and takes the sum of the thing in brief which otherwise might fill a volume then thy escape

A SECOND ANSWER TO Thomas Moore To that which he calls his Defence against the poyson c. Wherein is shewed the crooked wayes the Serpent is forced to take to keep God and his Creatures at a distance and yet would do it under the name of a Teacher But is seen to be the same that perswaded man out from his guide in spirit and now would keep him so lest his unclean wayes in the heart of man should be discovered with the spiritual Light of Christ and so man should turn to the Lord who is that spirit and the vail be done away which is come over the heart by looking out so man should come to see his Maker to be his leader in spirit Here is also 54. lies gathered out from amongst a multitude more with T. M. hath heaped up for his Defence against the truth which he calles the poyson of Satan which are sent him back to the 48. that I sent him before that he may either prove them or they ●oot with the founder for the truth they touch not Set forth to clear the truth from this froth cast upon it by the enemy thereof By a friend to the seed of truth called James Naylor Blessed are you when men shall persecute you and say all manner of evill on you falsely for my names sake for so have they done to the Prophets and Apostles before you LONDON Printed for Giles calvert at the Black-spread-Eagle at the West end of Pauls 1655. Reader Thou art desired to take notice of these faults in the Printing and correct them with thy Pen. PAge 2. 1. 17. sor filthy read frothy P. 9. 1. 3a for Antepage r. Antidote page P. 10. l. 18. for for r. so P. 11. for you know r. I know P. 12. 1. 2 3. for God was not God is manifest c. r. God was not God is manifest c. P. 16. 1. 26. for rendring to us to all r. rendring us to all P. 17. 1. 2. for would have to have us liberty r. would have us to have liberty P. 18. 1. 6. for John Frey r. John Wrey P. 19. 1. 3. for slain in him r. slain in Christ P. 21. 1. 5. for since r. sence P. 22. 1. 19. for angred r. any read P. 24. 1. 6. for I answer r. I answered P. 27. 1. 8. for seal r. deal P. 29. 1. 10. for being uged r. being judged P. 30. 1. 27. for nad r. and. P. 32. 1. 7. for trade r. tread A Second Answer to Thomas Moore THomas Moore when wilt thou love the truth and cease thy deceit and minde the light of Christ to lead thee out of thy crooked paths that the mouth of the Serpent may be stopt that belcheth out thy own shame in thy lies and confusions as thou hast done not onely when I was with thee before many witnesses but also in the ethy two Books wherein thy lies are too many to number In thy first Book I sent thee back 48. lies out of three times as many more that thou might prove them But instead thereof thou adds heaps upon heaps and so it must be that he may be revealed who abides not in the truth and so is a lyer from the beginning and so thou art found As thou didst make up the substance of thy first Book with lies so thou begins this And in the front of thy lye thou makes a cover for it least it should be seen In thy first Book thou sayes thou shalt refuse further to meddle or have to do with me unlesse thou perceive in me some turn to the Lord And in thy second Book thou renders me as the mouth of the Devill to cast out his poyson Is this the turn to the Lord thou perceives in me Orthou would have me believe that in this Book thou hast thus filled with deceit to cast upon me thou dost not meddle with me therein This by the way all may see thou art no bungler in that Art for in the most part of thy lies thou makes sure so to present them as to leave open a way or two to escape if thou be taxt therewith and if not then let it passe for truth and this all shall see in thy Books who doth but read them with the light of truth which deceipts I shall not much trouble my selfe to trace thee in onely in some few where the Serpent would devoure the simple by the way and shut up the Kingdom against such as desire to chuse the plain way I shall discover thy spirit of what nature it is that they that will may beware 1. There is three things thou would have the Reader to believe from thee if any be so void of truth First that I have belied thee and the truth attested by thee To which I say 48. of those thou calles thy truths I sent thee back again into thy bottle besides many more of the same nature I layed open I knowing these to be notorious lies attested by thee for truths I could do no lesse then testifie again them Any other belying of thee thou art not able to prove 2. How empty filthy and corrupt my Answers is and how plainly the Scriptures are wrested by me To which I say to the first part the boaster speaks the frothy words To the second I say if quoting Scriptures without adding or diminishing be no wresting then thou hast but herein added a lie more to the number 3. How the Woolf appears in the Sheeps Skins in the beginning and close of my Book To which I say My Book begins with discovering thy lying Antichristian Doctrine least by it the simple souls should be deceived and what I say I make it appear to be truth and my Book ends with twelve points of truth laid down needful to be cleared to all from the Devills mists cast upon them and this is no part of the Wolfs work But what Beast was that which was up amongst thee and thy Companions who when I spoke the truth amongst you your Weapon was heared up to knock me down in the yard when you was on Horseback and left the dispute the latter day which in this Book thou wouldst cover with a subtle lie If I had intended such a thing to any Creature I could not have been excused in the sight of God from a Wolf or a Dogg for I am sure it was no part of a man much lesse of a Saint to knock one in the head who did not resist neither had any thing in his hand wherewith to resist For the first of these and the deceiptful crooked wayes thou takes to excuse thy lies and blasphemies who doth but read thy Books and my Answer to thy first needs not any further to see thee withall if they minde but any light in them yet for love to the simple ones I shall lay thee open in some of them that they may the better finde thee out in the rest In thy first thou begins with Thou sayes

thing let all that see that thing acted judge thereof who hath forged a Lye to clear him that offered the violence and would make me the Offendor for reproving it though I did not resist him further then with telling him that was the nature of a Dog to de●our and murther Also take notice of thy notorious Lies in page 30. thou accusest me but falsly to say Th●● i● Christ bore sinne in that his own body that died at Jerusalem so he had born sinnes in my body And ere thou leavest that page thou forgets that Lye and contradicts it thy self saying this note That I say nothing for disproving what thou saidst of Christ having so born our sins in his own body to the Tree at that he have not left them so to be born in our soul or bodies but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 perfected the Sacrifice in that one Offering of himself once for all And as thy tongue bew●ays thee in this so doth it in most of the rest as I might shew were it worthy the while to trace the Serpent in his crooked ways And thou speaks of the enmity being slain in him I say that I know but it is alive in thee as the venome of thy mouth doth plainly manifest And thou would make people believe that there was a time when God did not impute sinne unto the world and this time thou imagines to be in the time of Christs undertakings and thou asks me Where do I find those that have received the word of Reconciliation called the world I say Where dost thou find the world reconciled to God though he be reconciling them that come out of the world But on the contrary the whole world lies in wickedness and of such I spake And did not God impute the trespasses of the Jews to them who murdered him which was in the time of his undertakings so thou calls me blind but it is thy self And again I say if Psal 32. 2. God impute no sinne to the world then no Condemnation can be to them neither then nor now for they are blessed to whom he imputes not sinne And this thou says opens a large door of Faith I say to the worlds faith and thine it doth who can believe your sins are imputed to another and not to you though you live in them that makes thee so free in thy lying and false accusing but we know where sin lives and is served the world is not reconciled to God but sin is imputed and your large faith will be too large for the strait-way thy hope will perish with the world who art not reconciled though God be now reconciling as he was then in the Apostles time and some have the word of Reconciliation which the world and thou opposes and preaches personally absent and yet art telling of two Reconciliations but knows not one to live in it but preaches a distance from GOD to whom the Saints are reconciled Thou further tells me if I had minded the Scriptures more and my Imaginations lesse I might have seen that Scripture Revea 3. 8. means not of the Lambslain but of Beast-Worshippers To which I say were I so blind as to leave both the Spirit and Scripture also and believe thy blind imaginations contrary to both then should I become a Beast-worshipper like thee this is like thy divination of that in Amos 2. 13. where thou would have the people to read I will press you instead of I am pressed putting man instead of God and here thou would put the Beast-worshippers instead of Christ the Lamb and with such as this thou leads blinde when thou meets such as knows no better guide within themselves but to follow thy Divinations And thou sayst By his stripes you are healed and yet denyeth him come and saith the Scriptures rendereth his appearance alwayes to all believers in the time to come as that which they are to be looking for all their time in this world I say thou speakest a truth as concerning thy self and so take notice thy healing is without Christ and so deceitful but why wilt thou that art without Christ judge believers and belie the Scriptures for he that believeth hath the witness in himself and Christ in you the hope of glory who is that witness and he that hath not the Son hath not life 1 John 5. 10. Col. 5. 27. And the Scripture saith We know that we are of God and we know that the Son of God is come and hath given us an understanding And Christin you except ye be Reprobates And he that abideth in the Doctrine of Christ hath both the Father and the Son else they was not to receive them into their houses 1 John 5. 20. 2 John 9. 10. 2 Cor. 13. 5. And Paul had Christ revealed in him before he was a Minister Gal. 1. 16. and this with thee is alwayes to come and so all that thou hast proved herein is but thy self without Christ healing and being healed like the false Prophets who hath not the word in thee and so speakest of thy self and so art believed by all that have Christ in them and fellowship in his sufferings and in his Resurrection and with such thou art seen to be Reprobate thy preaching and healing who art preaching Christ at a distance from believers which the Apostle preaches in them so thy work is discovered in all thy crooked dark paths in thy book who art putting Christ far from thee and from all that will believe thee destroying their faith by telling them they must never see nor receive him while they live such a faith as none of the Children of God ever preached but is of him who that he may keep his house in peace while people lives cannot endure they should believe the appearance of a stronger then himself whilest they are in this world And with thy subtle divination thou goes about to make people believe that the Apostles since was of an inward light and spirit when he told Of serving their bellies and with this thou wouldst cast thy dirt on the light of Christ and his spirit within his Saints shewing thy beastly blindness against the light of Christ shining in his dwelling place the bodies of his Saints and brings to prove it Rom. 16. 18. where all may see thy grosse darkness and abominable wresting the Scriptures doth either that or any other Scripture speak against minding the spirituall light within or call it serving the belly which thou wouldest make it speak with thy divination be ashamed of thy meanings who wouldest wrest the Scriptures which all testifie of the spirit and light within by which they was spoken forth which thou wouldest call serving the belly to own an inward light and spirit doth not the Scriptures say he that believeth out of his belly shall flow Rivers of living waters John 7. 38. which how much thou knowest of this or the in-dwellings of Christ his light or spirit or how much thou lovest it to be

is because I tell not all the lying story over again after thee and in these and such like crooked wayes thou goes about to avoid the truth and winde out thy head least it should be bruised therewith and this shall any see who in the light doth but read thy books and my answer wherein I might trace thee into every particular were it needful or dark to the least simplicity Also in other places where thy escape will not serve thee with a seeming shew of truth before thou stick thou wilt forge an absolute lie As for instance page 9. where thou mentionest my charging thee to say that none have yet ceased from their own works To which thou sayes thy Tayings are that none here have yet so ceased from their own works c. To prove which words thou quotes Antepage 44. which all that read that page shall read thee a lyer thereby to accuse the truth for these words are not so there nor any where else that I have yet seen and so according to the Doctrine to thee it is who hast not yet ceased from thy own works who art yet a lyer and covering one lie with another carping at words when I speak the sence to make me a lier when thou canst not hit thy own words but he that is come to Christ is ceased from his own works who is become Gods workmanship but the Serpent hath no portion here and so would exclude all others who knowes no better but to believe him but where God works all our work in us he ordains peace there and such are entred into the Rest the Serpent knowes not Isay 26. 52. Phil. 2. 13. but they which did believe were entred into rest Heb. 4. 3. but thy Sophistry is to keep people from looking for any rest from their own works till they be cut off by death and can serve the Devil no longer and so art one of those who will neither enter thy selfe nor suffer those that would like the rest of thy Fathers who art seeking to overthrow the faith by thy lying Divination For the Devil knowes unbelief is that which keeps from entring into rest so he strikes off Faith But many are entred in who have heard his voice and such will believe thee no longer for thou casts out thy flood after such as is out of thy reach Another way thou hast that when I tell thee of thy lies and deceits in thy book lest people should find them thou sets them to seek in another page where thou hast made some cover for that deceit and not in the place in which it is spoken and thus thou shuffles to hide thy selfe lest thou should be discovered in plainness to the simple Instance that about the Resurrection Another way thou hast with thy Divination to turn a thing quite contrary to what I both speak and intend and this is usuall to thee in most places of thy book Instance thy 55. page thou having in thy first book seemed to deny any other manner of preaching then which was left by the Apostles to which I answer Then you may spare your pains you Steeple-house-Teachers who are out of the manner yea and matter also and with thy divination thou turns this that I would set up a new manner of teaching of two or three years standing when both my words and end is to establish the old way and therefore deny your Idoll-worship which is out of it your preaching and Printing And in some of these wayes or some other such like crooked way hast thou cast a mist over the truths wherewith I have laid open thy deceits yet canst thou blinde none therewith but thy own Generation who are blinde already and as any of them mindes the light in spirit which thou so much opposest they shall see thee and thy deceit also And now having a little opened the way to all who desires to know the truth that they thereby may see all the rest of thy rotten Covers I shall not much contend about words but leave the truth to manifest it selfe to all who in the principle of truth reads our books and enquires after it and they who will be filthy and loves deceit in thy book may cover themselves therewith Thou goes on saying We come to give some Instances of his false charges and you mention some perticular things To which I say how many that we is thou speaks on you know not further then that there is Legions against the Lamb but to that I have said I shall make it appear to be true as to the true intent of thy Doctrine without the least desire to aggravate as follows First As to thy seeking to exclude God and Christ the spirit and light out of the world and that he should no more dwell in his people till dooms-day and so on to all the rest To which I say thy words are that it cannot be properly said that in a full and absolute sense God was or is manifest in the flesh of any naturall Son of Adam in the time of his Mortality where it is plain thou excludes all Mortality with all the time till Dooms-day If not let the wise judge as for thy word naturall thou hast thrust into blinde people with it is of no force in that place unless thou prove that all men must be in their naturall estate during the time of their Mortality which indeed best suits thy end and condition and as for the spirit thou calls it as Popery to confess a spirit within to open the Scriptures and the light within thou compares to a familiar spirit In another place thou sayes God was not God is manifest in the flesh which words not God is is as absolute a deny all as can be made and so preaches him not onely out of the world but out of all the Saints and thy self thou sayst also the Word Christ is personally absent from us while in these bodies And in another place speaking of the manifestation of God thou sayes in that one person not in divers and this is to deny the Father and the Son for he that hath not the Father hath not the Son and he that hath not the Son hath not life and so this preaches an eternall separation between the Creature and the Creator and keeps God out of his dwelling-place denies him present to judge rule and guid and this preaches him out of the heart and not to be manifest in the flesh and the whole is herein proved upon thee which I have said out of thy own mouth and whereas thou would shuffle out by saying thou dost but uphold that Scripture Paul speaks to Timothy Isay Paul sayes no such words as that God is not manifest in flesh that 's thy own therewith to deny God in the flesh for Paul saith Great is the Mystery and speaks of what Timothy should wait for then in him that so by God manifest in him he might know how to behave himself