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A89851 A second answer to Thomas Moore, to that which he calls, his Defence against the poyson, &c. Wherein is shewed the crooked wayes, the Serpent is forced to take to keep God and his creatures at a distance, and yet would do it under the name of a teacher. But is seen to be the same, that perswaded man out from his guide in spirit, and now would keep him so, lest his unclean wayes in the heart of man should be discovered with the spiritual light of Christ; and so man should turn to the Lord, who is that spirit, and the vail be done away, ... Here is also 54. lies gathered out from amongst a multitude more, with T.M. hath heaped up for his defence, against the truth, which he calles the poyson of Satan, which are sent him back to the 48. that I sent him before, that he may either prove them, or they root with the founder, for the truth they touch not. / Set forth to clear the truth from this froth, cast upon it by the enemy thereof, By a friend to the seed of truth, called James Naylor. Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1656 (1656) Wing N314; Thomason E868_9; ESTC R202991 29,892 39

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in the Church of the living God the Pillar and ground of truth which Church was in God and God in them who did dwell in them and walk in them and they knew that what God was in Christ he was in them as they had received Christ according to these Scriptures John 14. 20 21. 23. John 17. 23. and they knew that they was the Temples of God which Temples was holy in which God was known and manifest to dwell and walk 1 Cor. 3. 16 17. 2 Cor. 6. 16. And if any had not the Father and the Son in them they was warned Nnot to receive them into their houses 2 John 9. 10. And therefore they was to try all Antichrists who denyed Christ in their flesh as thou dost and so all Idoll-Shepheards and Hirelings who had not God in them they denyed and those that was without God they saw them to be in the world and so the world would hear them but them in whom God was they knew not but as thou dost now to envy and reproach 1 John 4. 3 4 5 6. 12 13 15 16 17. So that which I have said of thee is no slander being proved out of thy own mouth afterward contradicted by plain Scripture and thou proved to be that Antichrist who art without God in the world denying Christ now in the flesh and God also and knowes not the great mystery of God manifest in flesh which was great and is great though thou know it not now no more then the blinde guides did then And thy cover is that that word Christ is personally absent from us while we are in these bodies upon earth I say thou may stop thy mouth for any knowledge thou hast of Christ personall or spirituall he was never known to the Idoll-Teachers and Hirelings and blinde Guides and such as preacht for gifts and rewards such never knew his person nor appeanance Had there not been a letter we should have little talk of Christ or his appearance with thy Generation of Chemerims who have alwayes put his appearance into another Generation wherein thou exceeds all thy Predecessors who would binde him in Heaven while he is and while any man lives which seeing thou goes about to deny I shall repeat thy words which are these in thy first book page 36. That he remains in the Heavens as opposed to the Earth and where while he is he is personally absent from us while we are in these bodies on Earth and yet with the same shameless mouth Jer. 4. 22. am I accused as a lyer for telling thou hast limitted his person from the Earth till Dooms-day as it is call'd when thy words reaches further even to while he is which is as much as to say for ever thou blinde Sot wilt thou limit the Lord in Heaven who fills Heaven and Earth who after he had descended into the lower parts of the Earth ascended far above all Heavens that he might fill all things And was not this the person of Christ Ephes 4. 9 10. which descended and ascended and that above all Heavens which now filleth all things which thou would limit in Heaven Art not thou blinde as to the letter it selfe was he personally absent from any of his dear Lambs in their sufferings though but once in the likeness of sinful flesh to growe from a Child to a mans state that in himself alone he might work Redemption and leave a living example of faith and obedience temptings and sufferings to all Generations that believe and for that end was he lifted up that through him all might believe yet hath he appeared in divers forms both before his sufferings and since Mark 16. 12. wherein he is not personally absent was he personally absent from the three Children in the Furnace Dan. 3. 25 Was he personally absent from John in the I le of Patmos Reveb 1 Was he personally absent from Paul who confesseth his personall presence 2 Cor. 2. 10 Nay thy selfe sayes page 2. of thy first book that Paul with his bodily eyes did behold the person of Christ after his asscention and this thou could make use on in thy dispute to plead against any immediate Call from God and now thou would limit him to a place while he is Cease thy Imaginations about the person of Christ the Serpent is as blinde about the person of Christ as he was about the body of Moses yet will he be disputing to see if he can get in Christ is revealed in the light whose person is before the world was and by whom the world was made which light thou calls a familiar Spirit as thy Fathers called him Beelzebub so much knowes the carnall Imaginations of his person or his light wherein he leads out of the world to reveal his person to them that follow it Is not Christ whereever the right hand of God is though the blinde see him not Col. 1. 15. 16 17. was not the person of Christ with him when he made the World and by him he made it was not he at the right hand of God in Davids time Psal 110. 1. And is not he at the right hand of God in the New Creation And is not be in Christ reconciling the world unto himself whereby they become of his flesh and his bone Was it not the person of Christ that came in amongst his Disciples the doors being shut And was it not the person of Christ that said he would come again to them though he had yet to ascend Which Joh. 14. 18 23. till then the work he had to do was not wholly done and wilt thou now bind him as a man in a Chair who fills Heaven and Earth yea who is fat above all Heavens yea Ephes 4. 10. where ever the right hand of God reaches he is there and without him present he doth nothing Cease vain man thou knows not whom thou would limit who limits the word to be personally absent from Believers All the Devils in Hell cannot limit him absent from his Lambs in their greatest straits who though he be to be preacht in Heaven yet is he not to be limited from the Earth whom the Heaven of Heavens cannot contain Ephes 4. 9 10. Nor doth that place Act. the 3. limit him though it say the Heavens must receive him which the world will not but saith upon their repentance God will send him whom the Heavens hath received As in many other places his appearance is promised waiting for and received as he is in himself not in imagination and in this book thou denies him as Mediator to be in Man because the Letter sayes between God and Man thou sayes not in man thou may as well say not in God so much thou knows of him in thee Read Christs words Joh. 14. 20. if he be not in God and in Man And whereas thou would accuse me for asking thee if thou dost not deny the Resurrection of the Body in saying No man as
is because I tell not all the lying story over again after thee and in these and such like crooked wayes thou goes about to avoid the truth and winde out thy head least it should be bruised therewith and this shall any see who in the light doth but read thy books and my answer wherein I might trace thee into every particular were it needful or dark to the least simplicity Also in other places where thy escape will not serve thee with a seeming shew of truth before thou stick thou wilt forge an absolute lie As for instance page 9. where thou mentionest my charging thee to say that none have yet ceased from their own works To which thou sayes thy Tayings are that none here have yet so ceased from their own works c. To prove which words thou quotes Antepage 44. which all that read that page shall read thee a lyer thereby to accuse the truth for these words are not so there nor any where else that I have yet seen and so according to the Doctrine to thee it is who hast not yet ceased from thy own works who art yet a lyer and covering one lie with another carping at words when I speak the sence to make me a lier when thou canst not hit thy own words but he that is come to Christ is ceased from his own works who is become Gods workmanship but the Serpent hath no portion here and so would exclude all others who knowes no better but to believe him but where God works all our work in us he ordains peace there and such are entred into the Rest the Serpent knowes not Isay 26. 52. Phil. 2. 13. but they which did believe were entred into rest Heb. 4. 3. but thy Sophistry is to keep people from looking for any rest from their own works till they be cut off by death and can serve the Devil no longer and so art one of those who will neither enter thy selfe nor suffer those that would like the rest of thy Fathers who art seeking to overthrow the faith by thy lying Divination For the Devil knowes unbelief is that which keeps from entring into rest so he strikes off Faith But many are entred in who have heard his voice and such will believe thee no longer for thou casts out thy flood after such as is out of thy reach Another way thou hast that when I tell thee of thy lies and deceits in thy book lest people should find them thou sets them to seek in another page where thou hast made some cover for that deceit and not in the place in which it is spoken and thus thou shuffles to hide thy selfe lest thou should be discovered in plainness to the simple Instance that about the Resurrection Another way thou hast with thy Divination to turn a thing quite contrary to what I both speak and intend and this is usuall to thee in most places of thy book Instance thy 55. page thou having in thy first book seemed to deny any other manner of preaching then which was left by the Apostles to which I answer Then you may spare your pains you Steeple-house-Teachers who are out of the manner yea and matter also and with thy divination thou turns this that I would set up a new manner of teaching of two or three years standing when both my words and end is to establish the old way and therefore deny your Idoll-worship which is out of it your preaching and Printing And in some of these wayes or some other such like crooked way hast thou cast a mist over the truths wherewith I have laid open thy deceits yet canst thou blinde none therewith but thy own Generation who are blinde already and as any of them mindes the light in spirit which thou so much opposest they shall see thee and thy deceit also And now having a little opened the way to all who desires to know the truth that they thereby may see all the rest of thy rotten Covers I shall not much contend about words but leave the truth to manifest it selfe to all who in the principle of truth reads our books and enquires after it and they who will be filthy and loves deceit in thy book may cover themselves therewith Thou goes on saying We come to give some Instances of his false charges and you mention some perticular things To which I say how many that we is thou speaks on you know not further then that there is Legions against the Lamb but to that I have said I shall make it appear to be true as to the true intent of thy Doctrine without the least desire to aggravate as follows First As to thy seeking to exclude God and Christ the spirit and light out of the world and that he should no more dwell in his people till dooms-day and so on to all the rest To which I say thy words are that it cannot be properly said that in a full and absolute sense God was or is manifest in the flesh of any naturall Son of Adam in the time of his Mortality where it is plain thou excludes all Mortality with all the time till Dooms-day If not let the wise judge as for thy word naturall thou hast thrust into blinde people with it is of no force in that place unless thou prove that all men must be in their naturall estate during the time of their Mortality which indeed best suits thy end and condition and as for the spirit thou calls it as Popery to confess a spirit within to open the Scriptures and the light within thou compares to a familiar spirit In another place thou sayes God was not God is manifest in the flesh which words not God is is as absolute a deny all as can be made and so preaches him not onely out of the world but out of all the Saints and thy self thou sayst also the Word Christ is personally absent from us while in these bodies And in another place speaking of the manifestation of God thou sayes in that one person not in divers and this is to deny the Father and the Son for he that hath not the Father hath not the Son and he that hath not the Son hath not life and so this preaches an eternall separation between the Creature and the Creator and keeps God out of his dwelling-place denies him present to judge rule and guid and this preaches him out of the heart and not to be manifest in the flesh and the whole is herein proved upon thee which I have said out of thy own mouth and whereas thou would shuffle out by saying thou dost but uphold that Scripture Paul speaks to Timothy Isay Paul sayes no such words as that God is not manifest in flesh that 's thy own therewith to deny God in the flesh for Paul saith Great is the Mystery and speaks of what Timothy should wait for then in him that so by God manifest in him he might know how to behave himself