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separate_v upon_o catholic_a principle_n that_o so_o we_o may_v hold_v union_n with_o the_o catholic_a church_n and_o then_o again_o there_o be_v a_o difference_n betwixt_o a_o national_a reformation_n and_o a_o private_a separation_n and_o therefore_o yet_o the_o distinction_n be_v not_o disable_v namely_o of_o separate_n from_o the_o error_n and_o not_o from_o the_o church_n unless_o it_o be_v better_o prove_v that_o the_o church_n be_v secure_v from_o all_o error_n which_o that_o text_n do_v not_o prove_v then_o go_v he_o on_o to_o take_v away_o somewhat_o i_o say_v to_o the_o text_n in_o my_o first_o and_o five_o answer_n to_o it_o he_o clap_v they_o together_o and_o will_v make_v i_o to_o conclude_v thus_o this_o make_v nothing_o for_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n ans_fw-fr let_v they_o remember_v again_o for_o aquinas_n tell_v we_o that_o we_o can_v forget_v natural_a principle_n that_o the_o whole_a be_v great_a than_o the_o part_n i_o allow_v much_o to_o a_o particular_a church_n in_o correspondence_n with_o the_o universal_a therefore_o little_a to_o their_o church_n and_o if_o i_o do_v reply_n that_o this_o text_n belong_v also_o to_o particular_a church_n than_o this_o do_v redound_v to_o the_o honour_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n and_o that_o this_o do_v belong_v to_o particular_a prelate_n to_o excommunicate_v he_o himself_o do_v confess_v in_o this_o section_n therefore_o must_v he_o conclude_v that_o i_o conclude_v for_o the_o universal_a church_n and_o yet_o moreover_o in_o all_o this_o long_a gloss_n upon_o the_o text_n how_o little_a have_v we_o have_v of_o that_o upon_o which_o all_o in_o this_o discourse_n turn_v namely_o whether_o authority_n of_o excommunication_n be_v it_o in_o the_o universal_a or_o a_o particular_a church_n respect_v not_o formal_o the_o contempt_n not_o the_o non-assent_a let_v they_o speak_v less_o or_o more_o to_o the_o purpose_n and_o yet_o again_o he_o will_v drive_v it_o on_o in_o a_o loose_a way_n that_o we_o have_v a_o command_n from_o god_n to_o hear_v the_o church_n absolute_o and_o universal_o to_o this_o purpose_n he_o say_v those_o who_o disobey_v the_o judge_n disobey_v the_o commonwealth_n so_o general_o speak_v those_o who_o disobey_v the_o prelate_n of_o the_o particular_a church_n disobey_v the_o universal_a church_n command_v she_o to_o proceed_v according_a to_o her_o decree_n canon_n and_o definition_n ans_fw-fr here_o be_v not_o much_o and_o for_o they_o less_o a_o commonwealth_n be_v a_o term_n ambiguous_a and_o may_v be_v take_v strict_o or_o large_o strict_o in_o the_o form_n large_o as_o include_v head_n and_o member_n and_o in_o this_o large_a sense_n may_v be_v consider_v with_o more_o respect_n to_o the_o body_n or_o to_o the_o head_n in_o confuso_fw-la or_o in_o capite_fw-la if_o he_o take_v it_o in_o the_o strict_a sense_n it_o be_v not_o to_o any_o purpose_n because_o there_o be_v a_o different_a reason_n of_o law_n in_o the_o commonwealth_n and_o in_o the_o church_n for_o in_o a_o commonwealth_n so_o law_n proceed_v from_o they_o as_o the_o efficient_a thereof_o but_o in_o the_o church_n truth_n and_o duty_n do_v come_v from_o god_n and_o therefore_o in_o such_o case_n the_o disobedience_n reflect_v upon_o god_n now_o the_o case_n we_o dispute_v upon_o be_v in_o necessary_a truth_n and_o duty_n if_o he_o understand_v a_o commonwealth_n large_o and_o then_o with_o more_o particular_a repute_n to_o the_o people_n the_o disobedience_n to_o the_o judge_n do_v not_o reflect_v upon_o they_o unless_o objective_o and_o consequent_o because_o though_o they_o be_v not_o their_o judge_n by_o way_n of_o authority_n yet_o they_o be_v their_o judge_n in_o way_n of_o end_n for_o their_o good_a if_o it_o be_v take_v with_o more_o relation_n to_o the_o head_n who_o judge_n they_o be_v by_o authoritative_a commission_n it_o be_v true_a that_o the_o disobedience_n to_o the_o judge_n do_v redound_v upon_o he_o but_o here_o be_v difference_n betwixt_o they_o for_o particular_a prelate_n do_v not_o depend_v upon_o the_o universal_a church_n as_o judge_n do_v upon_o the_o head_n of_o a_o commonwealth_n because_o bishop_n have_v their_o authority_n by_o divine_a right_n which_o be_v contend_v for_o hot_o in_o the_o trent_n council_n and_o have_v proceed_v affirmative_o have_v not_o the_o roman_a court_n bandy_v against_o it_o and_o then_o also_o the_o matter_n of_o disobedience_n we_o speak_v of_o be_v from_o god_n not_o the_o universal_a church_n but_o the_o matter_n of_o civil_a disobedience_n to_o the_o judge_n be_v from_o the_o head_n and_o then_o again_o we_o do_v not_o speak_v of_o disobedience_n positive_a which_o my_o adversary_n do_v instance_n in_o but_o in_o obedience_n which_o be_v negative_a and_o then_o again_o particular_a prelate_n be_v not_o so_o bind_v in_o thing_n of_o particular_a order_n as_o the_o people_n be_v bind_v to_o the_o law_n of_o a_o particular_a nation_n and_o also_o then_o this_o will_v redound_v to_o the_o adversary_n prejudice_n for_o the_o particular_a prelate_n of_o their_o church_n have_v not_o proceed_v according_a to_o the_o canon_n decree_n and_o definition_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n as_o have_v be_v show_v and_o also_o this_o be_v against_o they_o because_o than_o my_o adversary_n confess_v that_o this_o text_n under_o debate_n be_v compatible_a fair_o to_o particular_a church_n and_o therefore_o they_o have_v no_o reason_n to_o appropriate_v it_o to_o themselves_o and_o so_o upon_o the_o whole_a matter_n we_o can_v say_v as_o much_o in_o a_o due_a respect_n to_o the_o catholic_a church_n as_o they_o do_v here_o and_o yet_o hold_v our_o own_o so_o then_o he_o do_v not_o contradict_v here_o and_o yet_o again_o he_o be_v importunate_a to_o prove_v that_o disobedience_n to_o the_o church_n at_o last_o redound_v to_o christ_n and_o god_n out_o of_o the_o 16
may_v not_o the_o church_n of_o england_n have_v a_o authority_n not_o limit_v etc._n etc._n and_o what_o need_v then_o of_o run_v to_o another_o church_n for_o more_o authority_n but_o neither_o be_v his_o text_n in_o the_o hebrew_n well_o understand_v or_o else_o not_o well_o apply_v in_o his_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d for_o the_o establishment_n of_o a_o better_a covenant_n upon_o better_a promise_n be_v not_o certain_o intend_v to_o have_v respect_n to_o the_o visible_a church_n for_o discipline_n but_o to_o the_o invisible_a church_n for_o salvation_n it_o respect_v christ_n as_o the_o great_a high_a priest_n to_o save_v his_o church_n by_o the_o sacrifice_a of_o himself_o once_o upon_o the_o cross_n for_o we_o not_o as_o king_n of_o his_o church_n by_o way_n of_o a_o external_a policy_n as_o if_o the_o government_n of_o his_o church_n be_v part_n of_o his_o kingdom_n and_o of_o his_o gospel_n if_o so_o they_o give_v the_o right_a hand_n of_o fellowship_n to_o the_o other_o disciplinarian_a but_o also_o he_o take_v it_o ill_a that_o the_o text_n shall_v be_v limit_v to_o case_n of_o trespass_n betwixt_o brother_n and_o brother_n and_o he_o think_v rather_o it_o shall_v belong_v to_o the_o case_n of_o heresy_n which_o be_v a_o trespass_n commit_v by_o one_o brother_n against_o all_o his_o brother_n and_o their_o dear_a mother_n the_o church_n yea_o st._n thomas_n call_v schism_n of_o which_o heresy_n be_v always_o guilty_a the_o high_a crime_n against_a the_o whole_a community_n ans_fw-fr it_o be_v one_o thing_n to_o say_v what_o the_o text_n intend_v another_o to_o say_v what_o it_o may_v be_v by_o discourse_n accommodate_v to_o the_o direct_a respect_n of_o the_o text_n in_o the_o ordinary_a sense_n of_o the_o letter_n be_v clear_o carry_v to_o case_n of_o trespass_n betwixt_o brother_n and_o brother_n and_o the_o pontifician_n by_o his_o principle_n and_o use_n be_v engage_v to_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o letter_n prinipal_o but_o 2._o dato_fw-la 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be_v such_o a_o person_n bind_v to_o subscribe_v to_o such_o a_o censure_n as_o just_o because_o he_o can_v be_v bind_v to_o assent_v to_o that_o which_o be_v false_a as_o he_o also_o late_o confess_v it_o be_v true_a in_o civil_a cause_n though_o the_o sentence_n be_v injust_a i_o may_v and_o must_v pay_v the_o amercement_n there_o be_v no_o law_n against_o the_o course_n of_o law_n and_o so_o also_o in_o ecclesiastical_a case_n he_o that_o be_v in_o just_o excommunicate_v must_v abide_v the_o censure_n but_o all_o the_o authority_n under_o heaven_n can_v never_o make_v a_o man_n believe_v in_o his_o conscience_n that_o it_o be_v a_o just_a censure_n when_o he_o know_v himself_o not_o to_o be_v guilty_a of_o the_o fact_n namely_o publish_v of_o a_o heretical_a doctrine_n and_o therefore_o all_o that_o can_v be_v exact_v by_o man_n in_o this_o case_n 〈◊〉_d passive_a obedience_n which_o the_o person_n may_v yield_v though_o the_o conscience_n do_v not_o yield_v that_o it_o be_v a_o 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until_o the_o church_n shall_v think_v it_o fit_a be_v not_o these_o diminuent_fw-la term_n of_o the_o head_n indeed_o almost_o comminuent_v if_o we_o may_v say_v so_o as_o if_o the_o head_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n the_o ordinary_a pastor_n and_o vicar_n of_o christ_n successor_n of_o st._n peter_n can_v not_o present_o see_v that_o there_o be_v danger_n in_o heretical_a doctrine_n or_o can_v not_o see_v whether_o it_o be_v heretical_a doctrine_n until_o the_o church_n shall_v think_v it_o fit_a i_o have_v think_v the_o pope_n have_v be_v a_o independent_a and_o shall_v not_o have_v depend_v upon_o the_o church_n for_o a_o final_a resolution_n at_o a_o point_n heretical_a and_o if_o the_o church_n must_v meet_v in_o a_o council_n to_o consider_v of_o it_o and_o all_o pope_n be_v as_o disaffect_v to_o a_o council_n as_o some_o be_v to_o the_o trent_n council_n what_o shall_v become_v of_o the_o people_n in_o this_o danger_n of_o heresy_n i_o have_v think_v a_o council_n have_v 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