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A85665 A declaration of divers elders and brethren of congregationall societies, in and about the city of London. Decrying and disclaiming two bookes; one called a cry; and the other book called A model of a new representative. Wherein their judgements touching the qualifications of electors, and eligible persons, are tendered to consideration, in way of vindication of themselves from unjust aspersions. 1651 (1651) Wing G1850; Thomason E644_7; ESTC R206049 5,590 8

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A DECLARATION Of divers Elders and Brethren of Congregationall Societies in and about the City of LONDON Decrying and Disclaiming two Bookes the one called A CRY and the other Book called A MODEL OF A NEW REPRESENTATIVE Wherein their Judgements touching the Qualifications of Electors and Eligible Persons are tendred to Consideration in way of Vindication of themselves from unjust Aspersi●●s IN the yeare 1647. Wee being Accused by many as if we were Patrons of Liberty to sin and as if we denied Magistracy and Propriety in ones Estate and as if we owned Polygamy We were enforced to Vindicate our selves in our Declaration then Agreed unto by our joynt Consent Printed for H. Overton neare the Exchange and Published then in our Names concerning those foure Particulars charged upon us Wherein we not onely Asserted the Contrary but have also Declared from the Holy Scriptures The Rule and Standard for Faith and Obedience what Liberty and what Community is owned and Disclaimed therein Which accordingly we still owne or Disclaime and what Necessity there is of Magistracy and what Obedience is due unto them in their places as to an Ordinance of God And howsoever Polygamy was practised in the Old Testament that yet it is clearly Evinced in the New Testament to be unlawfull Our Stating the beforesaid Cases and our Evidencing of what is the Truth therein by clear Scriptures and by Grounds deduced thence we doe still fully Adhere unto Howsoever some or other of the Scandals beforesaid some formerly and some of late have slanderously laid to our charge And now whereas of late yeares the wise Providence of our God hath so Ordered it that such readinesse and chearfulnesse of many Christians that are Tearmed Independents in their Adhering to the Parliament even from the beginning of the late warres unto this day and such faithfulnesse and diligence hath been expressed by many of them in the State and in the Armie as well under the Earle of Essex and the Lord Fairfax as under the Present Captaine Generall the Lord Cromwell that hereby many of them have been judged worthy of Offices and Places of Trust and Preferment as well in England as in Wales Ireland And whereas this hath occasioned though causlesly the Envy of many against them and many have falsly said That they seek to get all such places into their own hands and to exclude all others from them Which expressions though grievous to us we did beare as part of the Reproaches for Christ and his Truth And whereas now of late when some have Objected against us a Booke or two lately Published The one called A Modell of a New Representative The other called A Cry With some Cautions touching the Election of a New Representative as if those Bookes were Published by us So that we are Charged to professe therein that which we had disowned We are hereby Againe enforced thus to come forth in Publicke in our just and necessary Vindication least if now wee should be altogether silent we should indeed seeme to be deeply guilty therein A Crime that we doe utterly detest and abhorre as injurious to many And with one Consent wee doe thus Declare as in the Presence of the Almighty who is the Searcher of all hearts before whom the Wicked and Deceitfull shall be confounded at the Day of Judgement First That none of us did so much as know of the making of any such Bookes untill they were Printed and Published Secondly That as thus we were farre from appointing or approving of or Consenting unto the said Bookes before the Publishing of them So neither did we nor doe we Consent to or approve of such Vnjust Limitations as appeare to be implyed in the CRY pag. 9. Though that Cryers good intent towards all that feare God be well set forth therein pag. 5 6 7. But are more fully expressed by Quere's in the MODEL'S Xth XI XII and XIIIth Quere's Namely That the Persons to be Chosen and the Persons to be Choosers of the New Representative should be limitted to the Gathered-Congregationall-Churches Here-in that MODEL is more like a Jesuiticall Device to bring an Odium upon us all then to be any Act of ours Now that we may not be wanting what in us is to cleare the Truth from Scripture Grounds and to manifest our sense thereof Touching Civill Governors and the Choice of them We must premise Two Propositions from the Holy Scriptures I. The Former Proposition is this That all People in Every Nation as well Members of Churches as others ought for Conscience sake to Honor such as by the wise Disposing Providence of God are their Present Rulers and are to submit to the Civill Commands not onely of such Rulers as are faithfull but even to Infidels Thus the Apostle Paul Commands us from the Lord Rom. 13.1 to 8. vers with 1 Cor. 14.37 Let every soule be subject to higher Powers For there is no Power but of God c. And thus the Apostle Peter also in 1 Pet. 2.13 Submit your selves to every Ordinance of Man for the Lords sake Whether it be unto King as supream or unto Governours Thus they wrote when all the Rulers Generally were Infidels And Note The Chiefe in Rule or Government in what Political State soever are stiled King in the Scripture phrase though he were not a King according to our Vulgar expression Thus Moses that Judged Israel is called King in Jesurun in Deut. 33.5 And when it s said There was then no King in Israel it intends there was then no Judge in Israel Thus Jud. 17.6 Jud. 18.1 19.1 21.25 And thus in Rev. 17.9 10. The 7 Heads are 7 Mountaines And they are 7 Kings Five are fallen one is the other is yet to come -11 And the Beast-is the Eighth and is of the seven and goeth into Perdition 12 And the ten Hornesare ten Kings 16 They shall hate the Whore and make her Desolate Here speaking first of the great Citie that reigned over the Kings of the Earth ver 18. that is Rome which stands on seven hills He saith They are 7 Kings five are fallen c. The meaning seems to be this That City which before Johns time had had five sorts of chiefe Rulers fallen and had another sort the sixt then viz. Caesars The seventh the Pope was to come who also is the Eight by his Exercising of so great power first Ecclesiastically and then Civilly also That same City is the City spoken of in Rev. 17. Now that Rome had then had 5 sorts of chiefe Rulers fallen and that Caesars ruled in Johns time is Evident by Historians So that Cornelius Tacitus a Heathen that lived in Johns time in the very beginning of his Annales thus reckons them up In the City Rome at first were Kings then 2 Libertie two Consuls 3. one Dictator added to them 4 Decemviri 5 Tribuni plebis that is the Government by Ten. And then by Three 6 the Power