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A04491 A dialoge describing the originall ground of these Lutheran faccions, and many of their abuses, compyled by syr William Barlow chanon, late byshop of Bathe; Dyaloge descrybyng the orygynall ground of these Lutheran faccyons, and many of theyr abusys Barlow, William, d. 1568. 1553 (1553) STC 1462; ESTC S101046 40,661 178

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which they had written whole bokes yet in y● ende were they driuen to the old determinatiō of the churche saue least theyr wrytynges shoulde seme in vayne theyr assemblynge to be ydie they founde out some contrariety of so slender importancye that mē may playnlye iudge in them other inuyncyble arrogance disdaynynge to be reformed or elles obstynate malyce sekyng for y● nones to impugne the trewth Concerninge the sacrament of the altare wherin rested the princypall matter of theyr disputation they greately varyed and coulde by no meanes agree Howe be it they concluded at laste that eche parte holdyng them contente with theyr beleife should departe in louynge frendshyppe without any odyous wrytinge frō thence forth one agaynst another N. whether of them obtayned the vyctory W. They deuyded it betwene theym whyle they were presente But sone after theyr departyng the Lutheranes ascribed it to Martyn Luther and contrarye the Oecolompadianes vnto Oecolampadius and Swynglyus N. Use they such crafty conueyaunce in promotyng theyr Gospell W. ye hardely and that without any shame when they be detected of it inforsyng men agaynst their wylles to be fautours of theyr heresyes Dyd not No●iomagus gather certayne sentences out of Erasmus workes which falsely depraued he coupled vnto Martyn Luthers assertions and caused them to be imprynted blasyng abrode that Erasmus and Luther were of one opynion to the slaunderous hynderaunce of his profytable studye of whome after muche other detraction he was not ashamed to craue subsedye in his beggarly indygence Also Butzer playd a lyke pageante with Pomeran in translating his Psalter out of latyne into the Almayne tonge For wher he aspyed any occasion to treat of the blessed Sacramente he plucked out Pomerans sentēces and graffed in his own after no compendyous fashyon which as sone as they were en prynted the fame noysed ouer all that Pomerane vnknowynge to hym was one with the Oecolampadianes whyche afterwarde he apartely detested in dyuers epystles dyscoueryng the false hod of Butzer Suche subtyll dryftes I may tell you among them is daylye not vnpractised N. Well ye haue here rehersed many thinges agaynst them wherein yf I and suche other wold geue credēce vnto your sayinges wythoute surmyse of percialite we shuld sone turne oure affection from theyr learnynge But seyng ye haue bene a fauourer of them and per aduenture bothe spoken and wrytten as largely as the rankest of them all whome ye nowe call heretykes fayne woulde I wyt what mocioned you to take it in hande so earnestlye and now to shyft your selfe from it so lyghtelye W. To shew you the truthe withoute dissimulation howe I was entyced vnto theyr faction the verye begynnynge was this I had redde certayn treatyses of Martyn Luther of the iustifycacion onelye by fayth wythoute good deedes how man had no free wyl how oure good workes auayled vs nothynge to be saued nother oure yll deedes shoulde cause vs to be damned and many other articles whiche he falsely presumed to ground vpon scripture Also I dylygentlye noted howe he descrybed the abuses of Popes Cardinalles byshoppes preistes and relygious personnes declarynge howe the present dekay of the church farre differed from the perfectyon of the Apostles and holy fathers at the fyrst begin nynge wherin he made no lye though in other thīges he spared the truthe Furthermore geuyng eare to the plesaūt rumoures of his reformations highly cōmended amōg new fāgled people it set myne harte so on fyre y● I could not rest vntyll I had bene there with thē After that I had sene Martin Luther Pomerane Melancton heard theyr prechinges perceyuyng theyr order there in Saxonye I went into hye Almayne vnto the Oecolampadians remaynynge there amonge theym was oftentymes conuersaunt with the Anabaptistes In the meane space I sawe many wonderfull alterations as destroyenge of monasteryes pluckynge downe of churches castynge out of ymages breakynge of aultars and caryeng the consecrate stones to the buyldynge of theyr bulwarkes also maryages of prestes monkes freers nonnes contempte of holy dayes anullynge of vygyles fastynge of the lent and embrynge dayes clene reiecte with other laudable ordynaunces instytute by the churche Al places of scripture where mencyon is made of Antichrist false prophetes maysters of lyes such other ▪ they violently applyed vnto y● clergye namynge theym selfe chrysten bretherne dyscyples of Christe and apostles of hys Gospell In denyenge purgatorye and auctorite of y● pope yf they founde in auncyent auctours as much as a corrupte tytle of a pystle sownynge any thynge to theyr purpose all be it the Epystle selfe made whole agaynst it yet wold they take it as the worde of god and sure reuelation of the spyryte Contrarye wyse yfanye alledged Austen Hierome Cypryane or Chrysostome agaynste them they wolde admytte theyr sentences for none auctoryte sayenge they were men all men were lyers In like maner concernynge the sacrament of the aultare where they redde in doctours of the spyrytuall eatynge and ghostelye beynge they onelye accepted that and vnder the coloure therof they woulde exclude the corporall eatynge and bodelye presence of Christ to the establysshinge of theyr blasphemous errors whiche they shadowed vnder the couerte of hypocrysye and persuasions of peruerted scriptures in suche wyse that openlye seyng I could not perceiue them vntyll it pleased God of his inest●mable goodnes to brynge me oute of the lande of darckenes and region of deth vnto the clerenes of his knowledge lyuyng lyght of truth I can not excuse me but amōg the wycked I endeuored my selfe to haue doone euyll but God so mercyfullye preuented me that it came to small effecte in doynge anye harme If I haue bene occasion of any mannes fall or cause of slaunder I am sorye for it and aske forgeuenes Notwythstandynge I neuer defended any opinion obstinately nether despised the admonycyon of any vertuous person that I haue erred was through ignoraunce and of no malicious pertynacite Where ye be in perplexitie of credence geuyng vnto my words I am sure if that I spake accordynge to your appetite ye would put no dyffydence in me whether I said the verite or lyed for it is a playne case amonge the fauourers of these newe sectes that they wyl refuse no forged tales makyng aught for theyr syde be they neuer so fals And seyng ye beleued me in errour ye oughte not to mystruste me nowe in my faythfull reuocacion voluntarye and not coacted N. Clearely many men presuppose that other ye be deluded by y● flatteryng perswasyon of some worldlye persons or elles vtterly geuen into a reprobate mynde throughe gredye desyre of yearthly promotion and appetyte of ydle lyuynge W. It is not in my power to stoppe y● wronge surmyse or mysse reporte agaynst me now enemy vnto theyr errours whyles they abuse the same to y● frendes of theyr heresyes namely where as Sathan is loosed at large and the lyenge goste the spyryte of vntrueth walketh at lyberty vnrestreyned Woulde God they were as prest to
Israhelytes lybertie and sone delyueraunce of theyr bondage causynge them to truste in his leasynge whiche he sayde was the worde of God And generallye all other false Prophetes bosted them selues to be sente of God came to prech his truth whome he neuer dyd sende as he wytnessethe with his owne mouthe in diuers places of the byble Furthermore all suche as occupye inchauntmentes cōiurers wytches in theyr busynes wyth manye ceremonies rehearse the word of God Also our sauyour Christe sayth that manye shall come in his name saying I am Chryste and they shall desceaue many but howe surely in perswading that their doctryne is Goddes word and that they be hys messengers hys annoynted sonnes and specyall prophetes So dyd Symon Magus delude the people of Samary affermyng that he was Christe Lykewyse Machomette named hym selfe the great prophete of God And all other heretykes commenlye in fortefyenge theyr abhomynable heresyes alledge the worde of God and euangelike veryte accordyng as Martyn Luther with the whole rable of hys adherents do dayly practyse But what auayleth it to resyte the worde of God yf we interprete it by a false peruerted sence What auauntage is it to saye Lord Lorde and do not as he cōmaūdeth vs He that saith I know God and obseruethe not hys commaundementes is a lyer and there is no truthe in hym The Pharyseys Dyscyples sayd to Christe Mayster we knowe that thou art a true speaker thou teachest y● waye of God in truthe yet thoughte they nothynge so in theyr hartes What thynge is more easy for these new teachers than in blasynge theyr auctorytye to saye that theyr doctryne is the trewe worde of God and that they haue hys spyryte where as they admyt no interpretacion of scripture but theyr owne in so muche that they reiecte parte of the bible because it serueth not to theyr purpose Concerninge the determinatiō of generall councelles and auctorytye of auncyent doctours of the churche they vtterly contemne excepte in fewe thynges whereoute they gather sentences whyche falselye depraued and otherwhile chaunged clene contrarye to the auctoures intent they make to serue in coulourynge theyr heresye Howe shall wee then knowe whether they be the ryghte preachers theyr doctryn the word of god or noo Trewlye Chryste geueth vs a rule infallyble sayenge By theyr fruytes ye shall knowe theym A good tree can brynge forthe no euyll fruyte nor a badde tree canne brynge forthe no good frute And they whiche here the worde of God with an earnest and good hart they holde it faste bryngynge forth fruyte in patience Also Saint James descrybyng the expedient condition of christen prechers and heuenly learning sayth who that among you is wyse endued with connynge lette hym shewe hys good workes out of a good conuersation wyth softenes of wysedome If ye haue sower hatred and varyaunce amonge you in youre harte wyll not ye reioyce and be lyars agaynst the truth for thys is not the wysdome comminge from aboue but earthly bestial and deuelysh Where as is enmyte contention there is inconstancy and all noughty doyng The wisdom that descēdeth from God is fyrste chaste and so peaseable mylde treatable full of mercy and good frutes wythout any mysdemynge or dyssymulatyon Nowe to compare these fruites vnto the actes of these Lutheran factyons ye shall fynde a farre difference Wherefore seyng that by longe experyence I haue perceaued the fashion manner and order of all states among them and was no small whyle conuersaunt wyth those whiche are of hyest reputation both for theyr sobernes of lyfe and fame of lyterature I haue thought it necessary for the dyscharge of my conscience and information of other playnlye to shewe the verytie as I haue knowen wyth out hatred of them or fauoure of any other persons which to performe I haue here compiled thys lytle processe folowynge vnder the forme of a breife dyaloge Wherein though ye shall rede some thynges so straunge for the enormities of them that diuers men namelye the fauourers of these sectes wyll iudge them vnlykelye of trueth and halfe impossyble to be vsed among resonable people endued wyth any wysdom or learning yet are they matter in dede accordynge as ye shall see vnfaynedlye declared And be ye full assured that I reherse not by a greate parte all the abuses manyfestlye knowen by thē nor so many as I could shew whiche god wyllyng hereafter in proces of tyme maye be dysclosed more largelye A greate occasion why that many be so feruēt in fauorynge this Lutherane doctryne is the vayne prayses of much people commyng from thence reportyng that there is so good order suche charitable liberalitie and euangelyke conuersation whiche is all to gether false And dyuers of suche tydyng cariers lest they might seme ignoraunte in a fewe thinges they frame theym selues wythoute shame to lye in manye It is harde for a renagate frere a faythelesse apostata a forlorne coopeman a marchaun tes prētyce or an embassatours hostler hauynge lytle learning lesse dyscresyon small deuocyon and scant a curtesy of wysedome to make true reporte in such matters And yet are ther of them which make thē selues full busy and are as redy to tell that they knowe not as that that they know accordynge as they feale theyr affeccions desposed whome they couet to please by whiche meanes they attayne hye cōmendations made much of ar called prety wyse men proper persōs with many goodes blessynges vpon theyr hartes Suche is the maddenes of the worlde and folysh appetytes of people preferring their corrupt affections before ryghte iudgement and testymonye of theyr conscyence Truthe it is that the Germayns of old antiquite haue deserued specyall lawde for theyr playnes in worde and dede voyd of dissimulation and for theyr homelye famylyaryte wythout acception of p●rsons in whiche vnto this daye they excel other nacions wherof the originall cause manye falslye do ascrybe to thys Lutheran doctryne beynge doubtlesse meru● lousely decayd throughe it so that true playnesse was not wonte to be so scace there among scant good liuers as fraudes begyn now to be plenty among theyr newe Gospellers Wherefore Christen reders I exhort you all percialite set a parte to fyxe youre selfe vppon the lyuynge worde of God whiche may saue your soules and walke dyrectlye after it bowynge nether on the one syde nor on the other I meane not that fleshly worde nor theyr Gospell whiche saye ye haue no fre wyll youre good deedes shall not saue you nor your yldedes shall not dampne you the sacramētes of the church be nothing of necessite ye nede not to be confessed to a preeste ye are not bownde to obey the lawes of the church c. but that true worde of god verye gospell of our Sauyour Christe of whose fyrste sermon the antetheme was thys Doo ye pennaunce for the kyngdome of God is at hande And at hys laste farewell from his Disciples he affyrmed the same saying that in his name it behoued