their Religion of the Church before they wrote it G. H. 4. Here I must confesse I could not but wonder what Mr. Dr. meant if hee had read and beleeued Saint Pauls Epistle to the Galathians in affirming that hee learned his Religion of the Church whereas himselfe in the first and second Chapter of that Epistle inforceth the contrary with so many and so inuincible arguments that they can not but instantly stop the mouth of any who would offer to open it in defence of Mr. Doctours assertions Now I certifie you brethren saith hee that the Gospel which was preached of mee was not after man for neither receiued I it of man neither was I taught it but by the Reuelation of Iesus Christ. Secondly for Saint Marke and Saint Luke though they learned their Religion of the Church by hearing the Apostles as the Apostles themselues did from Christ by hearing and seeing him yet doth it not follow but the former as well as the latter wrote by the instinct and direction of the holy Ghost nay doubtlesse it were no lesse then impietie once to imagine the contrary To which purpose the words of Bellarmine are worthy obseruation Vt vere dicitur Epistola principis quae à principe dictatur etiamsi is qui eam scripsit antea sciebat quae scripturus erat ita dicitur immediatum Dei verbum quod scriptum est ab Euangelistis Deo inspirante dirigente licet scripserint ea quae viderant vel audierant As that is truely sayed to be the Letter of a Prince which hee dictates though hee who wrote knew before what he would write So is it the immediate word of God which is written by the Euangelists God inspiring and directing them though they sawe and heard those things before which they wrote Lastly for S. Luke he learned not the actes of the Apostles which he wrote from the Church himselfe being an actour in a chiefe part of them and whereas Mr. Doctor affirmes that he was not of Christs company whiles he was vpon the earth Sâ—ella a Writer of the Church of Rome in his Enarrations vpon the 24. of S. Lukes Gospel and the 13. verse assures vs that graue Doctors by whome I take it hee meanes the Fathers were of opinion that S. Luke was one of those two Disciples whom our Sauiour instructed as they were iournying to Emmaus B. C. 5. That diuers others did write the Religion of Christ as they did apprehend it but their Gospels and Epistles were reiected by the Church Luke 1. 1. G. H. 5. In the Primitiue Church a great part of the beleeuers but specially their guides were miraculously indued as with other gifts so with a discerning spirit and that not onely in differencing the sinnes and persons of men but iudging of their writings so that though they wrote a trueth touching the Christian religion yet were they able to discerne whether that trueth were written by speciall illumination and instinct of the same spirit wherewith themselues were inspired whereupon wee haue good reason to accept what they accepted as Canonicall and as Apocryphall to reiect what they reiected but for the present Church though it should tenne thousand times reiect the whole or any parcell of that written trueth which they accepted yea though one from the dead or an Angel from heauen should preach any other Gospel yet ought wee rather to accurse then beleeue him notwithstanding the Church of Rome as if she were inuested with equall or higher power though indeede shee reiect no booke as Apocryphall which that Church accepted as Canonical yet doth she accept and impose diuers bookes as Canonicall which that reiected as Apocryphall B. C. 6. That at the day of iudgement there will be no writing to try true Religion from heresie but only the eternall trueth of Christ in the soules of his Saints G. H. 6. But that Eternall trueth of Christ in the soules of his Sainâ—s is the same and none other then which is contained in the holy Scriptures now the Gentiles indeed in as much as they haue sinned without the Law they shall also perish without the Law that is without the Law written saue onely in the tables of their hearts but the Iewes in as much as they haue sinned in the Law shall be iudged by the Law saith Saint Paul and our Sauiour There is one that accuseth you euen Moses in whom ye trust whereby none other thing can bee vnderstood then the Law written by Moses B. C. 7. That the Scriptures were written by men of the Church admitted Canonicall by Councils of the Church preserued from tyrants by the care of the Church and euer vntill late expounded by the consent of the Church G. H. 7. That the Scriptures were written by men of the Church we confesse yet so as withall it cannot bee denied but those holy men wrote as they were moued by the holy Ghost We also confesse that they were admitted Canonicall by the Councils of the Church that is declared not made to bee so and likewise that hitherto they haue been preserued by the care of the Church which therefore is called The pillar and ground of trueth neither ought they to be expounded but by the consent of the Church if wee speake of exposition to bee publikely allowed and receiued touching fundamentall points otherwise both Caietane and Andradius and Iansenius and Maldonat and diuers others of the Church of Rome in sundrie places professe that they rest not satisfied in any interpretation giuen by the Fathers but preferre either their owne or some other found out in this age So that if Mr. Doctor by the Church vnderstand the Fathers wee haue no reason to barre our selues of that liberty which the chiefe Doctors of the Church of Rome both challenge as due and practice as needfull yet so as wee vse that libertie with moderation and sobrietie the people submitting their iudgements to their Pastours and the Pastours in seuerall to their bodie vnited or represented where no very cleare and manifest reason appeareth to the contrary B. C. 8. How fewe men are able to reade and expound Scriptures any way and whether it be not easier to beleeue the Church then to beleeue a few priuate men that say they can expound Scriptures better then the Church G. H. 8. If wee should follow the rules and practise of the Church of Rome fewer would bee able either to expound or reade the Scriptures then now are Espencaeus a Dr. of the Sorbon witnesseth that hee was told by an Italian Bishop that his Countreymen were terrified from reading the Scriptures lest they should become herettikes but the Doctor demaunding what Arte they then professed why quoth the Bishop both the Lawes but specially the Canon And Robert Stephens demanding some of the Doctors of the Sorbon in what place some passage of the New Testament was written they answered that they had read it in Hierome or the decrees but for
censure of wise men might deseruedly haue purchased some more respectiue termes of the Father whereas Thuanus the most vnpartiall and iudicious Historiographer of our age giues this testimonie of him that he was a Prince of singular naturall indowments and such a one in whom had hee not too much loosed the reines to this pleasure you could hardly find wanting any perfection Nay after his diuorce from his Queene and from the Church of Rome the Bishops which hee named sayth hee were honest men and good Schollers being euer himselfe a great Patron of learning which testimonie I the rather alledge because the Spanish expurgatorie index hath rased it as also diuers other verie memorable passages in this Author B. C. 5. Thus I satisfied my selfe at Schoole and studied the Artes and Philosophie and other humane learning vntill being Master of Artes and fellow of Corpus Christi Colledge in Cambridge I was at last by the Statutes of that house called to the studie of Diuinitie and bound to take vpon me the Order of Priest-hood then I thought it my duetie for the better satisfaction of mine owne soule and the sauing of othermens to looke as farre into the matter as possible I could that I might find out the Trueth and hauing the opportunitie of a very good Librarie in that Colledge I resolued with my selfe to studie hard and setting aside all respect of men then aliue or of Writers that had mooued or maintained Controuersies farther then to vnderstand the question which was betwixt them I fell to my prayers and betooke my selfe wholly to the reading of the Church Historie and of the ancient Fathers which had no interest on either side and specially â— made choise of S. Augustine because I hoped to find most comfort in him for the confirming of our Religion and the confuting of the Church of Rome G. H. 5. After your perusing the Chronicles of England you betake your selfe to the reading of the Church Historie and ancient Fathers and in speciall make choise of S. Augustine in whom you find the doctrine of Rome euery where confirmed and ours confuted But I would faine know whether one maine point of the doctrine of the Church of Rome be not the Supremacie of that Sea and whether a chiefe feather in that wing be not Appeals from forraine parts Now whether S. Augustine approued them I appeale to his practise being one of those Bishops in the Councell of Carthage who discouered and disclaimed the impudencie and forgerie of the Church of Rome in challenging that as right which some of constraint had performed and others of courtesie had graunted for which himselfe with his Fellow-Bishops were excoÌ„municated by the Bishop of Rome and for any thing I can finde in the Church Historie so died Some of his workes I haue read specially those of Christian doctrine and of them I will be bold to say that they confirme no one point of Romish doctrine controuersed at this day and surely there if any where had beene the proper place to declare the Bishop of Rome Supreame iudge in all controuersies B. C. 6. In this sort I spent my time continually for many yeeres and noted downe whatsoeuer I could gather or rather snatch either from the Scriptures or the Fathers to serue my turne But when after all my paines and desire to serue my selfe of Antiquitie I found the doctrine of the Church of Rome to be euery where coÌ„firmed by most profound demonstrations out of holy Scripture made most agreeable to the trueth of Christs Gospel and most conformable to all Christian soules and saw the current opinions of our great Preachers euery where confuted either in plaine termes or by most vnanswerable consequence although mine vnderstanding was thereby greatly edified for which I had great reason to render immortall thankes to our blessed Sauiour who by these meanes had vouchsafed to shewe himselfe vnto mee yet my heart was much grieued that I must be faine either not to preach at all or to crosse and varâ—e from the doctrine which I saw was commonly receiued G. H. 6. I haue perused your Common-place booke written for the most part with your owne hand and indeed it thereby appeares that your noting might more deseruedly bee termed a snatching then a gathering though by your will you solemnely bequeath it as a rich legacie to C.C.C. in Camb. whereof you were a Fellow but you found the doctrine of the Church of Rome you say euery where confirmed by most profound demonstrations from holy Scripture in trueth I must confesse they are so deepe that throughout this treatise they are inuisible but I much desire to knowe by what profound demonstration from holy Scripture you would proue the adoration of images the administration of the Sacrament vnder one kinde the exercise of publike prayer in a language not vnderstood of the people or lastly the Bishop of Romes vsurpation ouer the temporals of Princes vnlesse you bring Bellarmines profound demonstration to that purpose Pasce oues meas or Baronius Surge occide manduca or the Canonists fecit Deus duo magna luminaria much like a profound demonstration I haue heard of for proofe of the Salique law the lillies neither labour nor spinne therefore the Crowne of France ne tombe point sur laquenouille fals not to the distaffe or like that of a Frier who would needs proue that ten worlds were made in the first Creation and that out of our Sauiours wordes in the Gospel annon decem factisunt mundi but he was well answered by his brother in the words following Sed vbisunt nouem and did hee not deserue the title of D. profundus trow you for so profound a demonstration By such like profound demonstrations you find the doctrine of the Church of Rome made most agreeable to the trueth of Christs Gospel which for the Sacrament is drinke yee all of this and for the power of his ministers my kingdome is not of this world wordes deliuered as it seemes out of a propheticall spirit as foreseeing what errours should in after ages spring vp in his Church but you doe well to say that those doctrines were made agreeable to this trueth they may bee made so or at leastwise made to seeme so by forging and hammering vpon the anuill of mens conceits howbeit in themselues they are not so as the belles seeme to the childe to ring that tune which runnes in his head B. C. 7. Being thus perplexed with my selfe what course I were best to take I reflected backe againe vpon the Church of England and because the most of those Preachers which drewe the people after them in those dayes were Puritans and had grounded their diuinitie vpon Caluins institutions I thought peraduenture that they hauing gotten the multitude on their side might wrong the Church of England in her doctrine as well as they desired to doe in her discipline which indeed
shallow as proceeding rather from affection then iudgement is this because if a man aske you say in cold blood whether a Roman Catholike may be saued the most learned Church-man will not denie it Wherein if we be more charitable to you then you are to vs in passing censures of damnation it should in my iudgement rather argue the goodnesse of that Religion from whence such charity flowes towards mens persons then be vrged as a proofe for the approbation of that erronious doctrine which in it selfe it condemns The Turke is too liberall in admitting all Religions to the hope of saluation and on the other side you are too niggardly and sparing in shutting out all from the hope thereof which receiue not the marke of the beast in their foreheads or hands We desiring to runne a middle course betwixt both extremes as we shut out all such who directly deny the merits of CHRIST so doe wee passe a fauourable censure on those who deny him not of malice but of ignorance and that not directly but by consequence It is true that S. Paul hath in the fifth to the Galatians If yee be circumcised CHRIST shall profit you nothing That is if a man put his trust in Circumcision or in any thing else beside Christ though with Christ in the matter of iustification he is abolished from Christ and the merite of his death and Passion Now what confidence the Romanists put in their owne satisfaction for veniall sinnes and temporall punishment either in this life or in Purgatorie due to mortall their writings testifie but yet our assurance is that many of them when they come to make their last account betwixt God and their owne Conscience and throughly consider of the weakenesse and corruption of their owne nature for the vncertaintie of their owne proper righteousnesse and for the auoiding of vaineglory according to Bellarmins aduise they rest wholly in the alone mercie and goodnesse of God renouncing in particular that merite of worke which their Church in generall for her owne aduantage maintaineth and teacheth them to maintaine Or lastly God of his Graciousnesse may accept of their repentance for vnknowen sins and consequently for their erronious opinons which by reason of their education they vnwittingly imbrace yet this charitable construction of ours can bee no sufficient warrant for vs either to shut our eyes against a knowen trueth or to open our eares to hearken to any motion of reconcilement to a knowen errour Now whether a Romane Catholike may bee a good subiect wholly submitting himselfe to Romish positions I referre the reader to his Maiesties speech in Parliament in the yeere 1605 who should know what belongs to his owne state and to mine answere to the 12. Sect. of this Chapter a part of his Maiesties very words in that speech are these I therefore doe thus conclude this point that as vpon the one part many honest men seduced with some errors of Popery may yet remaine good faithfull subiects so vpon the other part none of those that truely knowe and beleeue the whole grounds and schoole conclusions of their doctrine can euer prooue good Christians or faithfull subiects If then we bee so farre diuided both in God and in the king how can we but be vtterly diuided in our selues B. C. 20. Truely there is no reason at all but onely the violence of affection which being in a course cannot without some force be stayed The multitude doth seldome or neuer iudge according vnto trueth but according vnto customes and therefore hauing beene bred and brought vp in the hatred of Spaniards and Papists cannot chuse but thinke they are bound to hate them still and that whosoeuer speaketh a word in fauour of the Church of Rome or of Catholike religion is their vtter enemy and the Puritanicall Preacher who can haue no being in charity doth neuer cease by falsifications and slanders to blow the coales that hee may burne them and warme himselfe But if your Maiesty shall euer bee pleased to commaund those make-bates to hold their peace a while and to say nothing but that they are able to proue by sufficient authority before those that are able to iudge and in the mean time to admit a conference of learned and moderate men on either side the people who are now abused and with the light of the Gospel held in extreme ignorance are not yet so vncapable but they will be glad to heare of the trueth when it shall be simply and euidently deliuered by honest men and then they will plainely see that their light of the Gospel which they so much talke of is but a counterfeit light in a theeues lanterne wherby honest mens eyes are dazeled and their purses robbed and it will also appeare that there is not indeed any such irreconciliable opposition betwixt the Church of England and the Church as they that liue by the schisme doe make the world beleeue there is neither in matter of doctrine nor in matter of State G. H. 20. You farther endeuour to prooue in the entrance of this Section that the diuision of the Church of England from the Church of Rome ariseth rather from affection then iudgement in as much as the multitude doth seldome or neuer iudge according to trueth but according vnto customes Now whether it be the Church of England or the Church of Rome that stands vpon multitude and that multitude vpon custome the Bishop of Rome himselfe shall be the iudge nay not onely your multitude but the chiefest pillars of your Church stand most vpon it if you had but looked into your great Cardinals notes of your Church you should haue found antiquity or custome to haue beene the second howbeit both Acosta and Xauerius in their seueral writings made the Indians standing vpon their customes the chiefe difficulty of their conuersion to CHRIST It was Symmachus the Pagans argument in his Epistle to Theodosius the Emperour recorded by S. Ambrose Seruanda est tot saeculis fides nostra sequendi sunt maiores nostri qui secuti sunt foeliciter suos Our religion which hath now continued so many yeeres is still to bee retained and our ancestours are to bee followed by vs who happily traced the steps of their forefathers and is not this Mr. Doctors owne argument to perswade his Maiesty to the Romish religion in the 2. and 10. Sect. of this Chapter how comes it then to passe that in this place he findes fault with those that iudge according to custome and makes it a popular errour teach that a while and indeed we may be brought to shake handes with Rome she standing vpon a pretended truth of antiquity but we vpon the antiquity of trueth in as much as our Sauiour said not I am antiquity but I am trueth And S. Cyprian his blessed Martyr Antiquity without truth is nothing els but ancient errour Now the reason you giue that our
wherewith you being kindled haue no lesse constantly and couragiously then wisely and religiously withstood so great rashnesse wee had been vtterly ouerwhelmed with intolerable griefe and indeed this had been a fearefull token seeing wee may not without cause suspect lest into France haue flowen sparkes of the lamentable fire of England to the consuming and destruction of all true Pietie and Religion in that most Christian Kingdome which wee trust relying on Gods helpe shall alwayes more and more increase vnder the patronage of so godly a King trained vp with so great vigilancie to this end principally by a most religious and truely most Christian mother you thereunto diligently yeelding your helpe as you alwayes commendably haue done but although such hopes doe not a little comfort vs yet are wee not for all this free and voide of all affliction and trouble yea wee are vehemently anguished considering with our selues in how crosse and stormie a time wee by the secret dispensation of God vndertooke the guiding of S. Peters Barke standing doubtfull and perplexed lest happily through our negligence the sinke of vices increase and consequently the nauigation growe more dangerous and difficult for this cause wee dayly flie vnto him and implore his helpe who as without any merit of ours so also when wee thought nothing lesse was pleased we should sit at the sterne and guide the helme whom wee pray that while the waues rush against the Prow and heapes of foming Sea swell on each side and tempest follow in the Sterne hee not suffer any wracke notwithstanding so violent shaking of the shippe meane while we giue the greatest thankes to his infinite goodnesse that in the greatest danger which hitherto happily wee haue been in hee hath relieued vs with most seasonable succours to wit by your singular vertue and prouided for the safetie of the Kingdome of France by the counsell industry and religious fortitude of the Ecclesiasticall order of that Kingdome and on the other side wee gratulate you much and withall greatly praise you that your France nowe beholdeth flourishing againe in you the zeale pietie learning and magnanimity of her holy Fathers Denis Hilary Martin Bernard and the rest whose memorie is blessed for their care of Gods honour and the Churches dignity yea and all the holy Church of God may acknowledge of your company Cardinals of such eminence as become so worthy members of the holy Apostolike Sea and Bishops and Prelats and Pastours who are good seruants and faithfull and truely worthy of their Master hauing really shewed that they loue his glory more then themselues true Pastours of the sheepe of Christ who for the saluation of their flocke haue not doubted to lay downe their owne life while by shedding of their owne blood they haue with so great feruencie of minde shewed themselues ready to maintaine the fences of the Lords folde that is the Churches Rights Highly therefore doe wee praise you and gratulate you againe for what is more laudable what more glorious then for the Priests of God setting aside respect of all humane commoditie constantly to haue defended the dignity of holy Church and through zeale of maintaining the Catholike trueth to neglect their owne life As also it is to bee ascribed to the greatest happinesse that it so fell out this noble triall of your Priestly vertue should be made the Pietie and Religion of holy King Lewis his Progenitour no lesse reigning in your King then the memory of his glorious name reuiues in him wherefore wee doe the more exhort you that you alwayes more earnestly persist in your most laudable enterprise God verely will perfect the worke hee hath begun in you acknowledge his hand wonderfully moouing the hearts of Kings which hee holdeth and with one accord beare vp against the violence of the raging Sea stirred with the storme of humane pride and the whirlewind of secular wisedome seuered from the feare of God doubtles the tempests that are risen he will allay who failed not his wauering disciples indeed hee suffereth vs to bee tempted but giues an issue with the temptation therefore bee of good courage knowing that the Iudge standeth aboue and beholdeth the combate of his seruants to giue vnto euery one a reward worthy of his labour and he that fighteth valiantly shall be worthily rewarded Now we whose charitie hath been alwayes great toward you in the Lord vehemently louing you and highly esteeming your excellent vertue doe most willingly promise to afford you whatsoeuer helpe or Comfort in the Lord vpon this occasion we can yeeld being exceedingly bound to you for your so glorious and admirable exploit not ceasing in the meane time daily to pray vnto God the Father of mercies that by the increase of his holy grace hee would vouchsafe alwayes to keepe and strengthen you in his holy seruice and because wee cannot sufficiently according to our desire manifest vnto you by writing this most louing affection of our heart vnto you wee haue giuen in charge to our Venerable Brother Robert Bishop of Montpellier our Apostolike Nounce that what hee hath receiued in Commission touching this businesse more at large from vs hee carefully by word of mouth impart vnto you who will also further declare vnto you what wee thinke fitting for the full perfecting of the businesse To him therefore shall yee giue altogether the same credence which yee would to our selues speaking vnto you God confirme you in euery good worke and direct alwayes your Counsels and endeuours according to his holy pleasure and we from the inmost bowels of our charitie bestow vpon you our Apostolike benediction Yeuen at Rome at S. Mary the greater vnder the Signet of the Fisherman the last of Ianuary 1615. the 15th yeere of our Popedome Petrus Strozza Now as long as such griefe such ioy such hope such feare such loue such ielousie is so passionately expressed in the main businesse about which his Maiesties personall and publique quarrell with Rome first beganne what likelihood is there of perswading his Maiestie that no Roman Catholike in the world can bee his enemie except first hee bee perswaded that the Pope of Rome is no Roman Catholike yet how farre hee was mooued to anger vpon occasion of the Powder-treason against the body of that profession his owne wordes deliuered in the next session of Parliament after the discouery of that bloody designe shall testifie as for mine owne part sayth hee I would wish with those ancient Philosophers that there were a Christall window in my brest wherein all my people might see the secretest thoughts of my heart for then might you all see no alteration in my mind for this accident further then in these two points The first caution and warinesse in gouernment to discouer and search out the mysteries of this wickednesse as farre as may beâ— The other after due triall seuerity of punishment vpon those that shall bee found guilty of so detestable and vnheard of a villenie This was
the rich Abbeys yet were they as much burthened with the poore Frieries who had nothing to helpe them but the deuotion of the people it being commonly sayed of their assisting at Funerals Vbi cadauer ib coruus But they were all you say Mundo morâ—ui vsing â— more but for their food and regular apparrel and turning the residuâ— to pious or charitable or publike vses but if it were so how came it to passe that many times they inriched and aduanced there families as much as any Lay man nay which is worse vsuaâ—ly they spent the residue vpon their gaming and luxurie and their liuing Exchequer was rather for the seruice of the Pope and Court of Rome then of their Prince and Countrey so that the multitude of such Clergy men and the greatnesse of their prouision may well bee obiected by wise men without enuie as it was by the Venetians in the last quarrell betweene them and the Pope if their goods and persons be still as they haue beene hitherto exempt from Secular iurisdiction and publique seruice of the state for the preuention of which mischiefe was the statute of Mortmaine for the lessening of these mundo mortui made by Edward the first and confirmed by all his successours so that vpon due and trew examination the Commons are found to loose nothing but rather gaine much by the reformation of the Church and separation from Rome and if they did not yet were it a poore bargaine for a man to winne the whole world and loose his owne soule B. C. 42. And as for liberty they are indeed freed from the possibilitie of going to shrift that is of confessing their sinnes to God in the eare of a Catholike Priest and receiuing comfort and counsell against their sinnes from God by the mouth of the same priest which duty is required of Catholike people but onely once in the yeere but performed by them with great comfort and edification very often so that a man may see and wonder to see many hundred at one altar to Communicate euery Sunday with great deuotion and lightly no day passe but diuers do coÌ„fesse are absolued and receiue the blessed SacrameÌ„t The poore commons in England are freed from this Comfort neither is it possible vnlesse their Ministers had the seale of secrecie for them to vse it and what is the liberty that they haue in stead therof Surely the seruants haue great liberty against their masters by this meanes and the children against their parents and the people against their prelats and the subiects against their King and all against the Church of Christ that is against their owne good and the common saluation for without the vse of this Sacrament neither can inferiours bee kept in awe but by the gallowes which will not saue them from hell nor superiours bee euer told of their errours but by rebellion which will not bring them to heauen These and such like bee the liberties that both Prince and people doe enioy by the want of confession and of Catholike religion G. H. 42. We willingly acknowledge with S. Paul that to the Ministers of the Gospel is committed the Ministerie of reconciliation and the kâ—ys of the Kingdome of heauen to open and shut as they see cause and therfore in their ordination hath our Church ordained the Bishop to vse these wordes Receiue the holy Ghost whose sinnes thou doest forgiue they are forgiuen and whose sinnes thou doest retaine they are retained consequently if the power of absolution be giuen in these words then is it giuen receiued in the Church of England and as for the people they stand bound as often as they meete in their solemne assemblies to a publique and generall confession howbeit they are indeed freed from the necessitie of that which wee call auricular though not from the possibilitie as you falsly pretend for as we inforce none if they come not as knowing that force may worke vpon the body but neuer vpon the will so we exclude none if thâ—y come with a true penitent heart or out of the Scruple of conscience either to seeke Counsell being ignorant of the qualitie and quantitie of their sinne or comfort against despayre for sinne knowen and acknowledged In this case the only imparting of a mans mind to a trusty Friend like the opening of a feastered sore cannot but bring content to a soule so anguished and perplexed but much more if the vlcer be disclosed to a skilfull and faithfull Pastour of the soule who is no lesse able then willing aswell to vnderstand the nature of the disease as by warrant of diuine ordinance to apply the remedie and sure I see not but the Minister standing in the place of God as his ambassadour and pronouncing absolution vpon humble and harty repentance as from God it should prooue a marueilous great ease and settlement to a poore distracted and distressed conscience in which regard our Church hath well ordayned in one of the exhortations before the Communion that if any of the Congregation bee troubled with the burden of sinne so that he cannot quiet his conscience but requireth further comfort and counsell that he repayre either to the Pastour of his owne Parish or some other discreet and learned Minister of the word and open his griefe that hee may receiue such Ghostly counsell aduice and comfort as his conscience may be releiued and that by the Ministerie of Gods word he may receiue comfort and the benefit of absolution to the quieting of his conscience and auoiding of all scruple and doubtfulnesse and in the visitation of the sicke if he feele his conscience troubled with any waighty matter hee is willed to make a speciall confession and the Minister thereupon to absolue him In the name of the Father the Sonne and the holy Ghost which is an absolution onely Declaratorie Conditionall and Ministeriall but the Church of Rome not content herewith challengeth to her selfe herein a power iudicial which is in truth indiuidually annexed to the person and office of him who is Iudge both of quicke and dead This I take to bee the doctrine of the Church of England and the Primitiue writers touching this point and I cannot but wonder that Mr. Doctor so long a Church man of such eminent place amongst vs should be so ignorant therof as to affirme that the people with vs are freed from the possibilitie of confessing themselues whereas Mr. Casaubon a stranger in comparison could informe him that the rigorous necessitie of Confession inioyned and practised in the Church of Rome the Church of England thought fit vpon iust reason to moderate and qualifie but for the thing it selfe shee neuer did wholy annull it nor now doth simply condemne it And for the practise of it in forreine countreys which Mr. Doctour so much boasteth of wee are not all such strangers in those parts but some others haue aswell beene acquainted with their great deuotion in their
AN ANSWER TO A TREATISE WRITTEN BY Dr. CARIER By way of Letter to his MAIESTIE WHEREIN HE LAYETH DOWNE SVNDRY POLITIKE CONSIDERATIONS By which hee pretendeth himselfe was moued And endeuoureth to moue others to be reconciled to the Church of ROME and imbrace that Religion which he calleth CATHOLIKE By GEORGE HAKEWIL Doctour of Diuinity And Chapleine to the PRINCE his Highnesse B. C. Mine heart will vtter foorth a good matter I will intreat in my workes of the King G. H. Giue thy iudgements to the King O God and thy righteousnesse to the Kings sonne IMPRINTED AT LONDON by IOHN BILL 1616. Cum Priuilegio TO THE KINGS MOST EXCELLENT MAIESTIE DREAD SOVERAIGNE HAD this Letter of Dr. Carier beene imparted or the drift of it onely reached to your Maiestie it would haue deserued none other answere then your Maiesties priuate censure and might well haue beene buried in silence with the Author of it But now that it not only aymes in particular at all the members of the bodie Politike First the Nobles then the Commons and lastly the Clergie but withall is published to the view of the World and spread through all the quarters of your Land for the better effecting of that it aymes vnto and is not a little magnified by the Romish faction It must needs argue in vs either want of wisedome in preuenting a mischiefe or of power in prouiding for our owne safetie or of zeale and sinceritie in our loue to the Trueth if it should passe without some discouery aswell of the malicious scope to which it tends as the weakenesse of the arguments by which it endeuours to perswade The maine end which it driues at is either a totall reconcilement to the Church of Rome or if that cannot be a partiall toleration of the Romish Religion The generall meanes by which it striues to compasse this end are first by working a destraction euen amongst those your Subiects who euery way conforme themselues aswell to the doctrine as the discipline of the Church of England established by publike allowance in making some Puritanes and some Protestants who in his language can endure the state of the Church of England as it is but could be content it were as it was implying thereby the rest to be Puritanes some Caluinists and some temperate men who cannot but in iudgment approue the trueth of that Religion which he calles Catholike thereby implying the rest to bee Caluinists the one he termes the greatest enemies of the Clergie the other his honest and louing brethren wherof he professeth he knew many and himselfe to be one whereas in trueth if any such there be the difference should rather haue beene made betwixt Protestants and Papists English and Romish Catholikes since they who could be content the Church of England were as it was before the Reformation can in my iudgement bee none other then Papists and those that in their iudgement approue the doctrine of the pretended Catholike Religion can as farre as I apprehend it been none other then Romish Catholikes Thus those whom we call Papists he calles Temperate Protestants and those whom we call Protestants he calles State Puritanes The second generall meanes for the compassing of his desired end is an indeuour to worke an vtter seperation betwixt our Church and other reformed Churches specially those of France and the Netherlands whom therefore in contempt hee calls Hugonots and Geux and their doctrine Caluinisme intending thereby as I conceiue either to weaken our strength by leauing vs to stand single or which is worse to inforce vs at length to relapse vpon Rome And to this purpose is hee bold to affirme that their doctrine makes as much against the Religion of England as that of Rome whereas the writings of the most learned men aswell on their as on our side our harmonies of Confessions the testimonie of our aduersaries nay the Pope himselfe in his Bull against Queene ELIZABETH your Maiesties Bookes and practise in the matching of that Noble Ladie your daughter and in permitting those Churches the free exercise of their Religion within your dominions so plainely euince the contrarie that I wonder hauing let fall so foule a blot from his pen he durst present it to your Maiesties view and yet I neede not wonder considering hee was not ashamed to tell your Maiesty that for any thing you haue written in your Apologie or Premonition you may when you please admitte the Popes Supremacie in spirituals which must needes argue either that he was meerely ignorant what your Maiesty had written or cared not at all what himselfe wrote regarding rather the euennesse of his Stile and the cadencie of his sentences then the trueth of his assertions like false windowes bearing proportion with the rest of the building but without light By the trueth of these assertions your Maiestie may make an estimate of the whole piece in which if I can iudge any thing I haue not met within the narrow compasse of so short a treatise so formally pend and carrying so faire an outside so many weake arguments so many grosse mistakes so many notorious falshoods so many irreconciliable contradictions so many sandie and disioynted consequences howsoeuer were his proofes neuer so strong so sure so true so consonant so coherent yet was hee a man most vnfit to intermeddle in a businesse of vnion and pacification who was so farre ingaged to one partie as by his owne acknowledgement hee was perswaded that all the Religion at this day prescribed and practised by the Church of Rome is the true Catholike Religion and promiseth particularly to iustifie it from point to point when time and opportunitie should serue and your Maiestie together with vs of the same profession he rangeth among Iewes and Infidels and heretiques for refusing to ioine with them in the worship of Christ in the Sacrament But God blessed not his vaine proiect Mr. Henrie Constable dying within fortnight after he came from Paris by Cardinall Perrons appointment to Leidge to conferre with him and himselfe a while after in Paris within a moneth of his comming thither to conferre with the Cardinall yet as the Apostle speakes of Abel being dead he yet speaketh though in a different manner and the speach of dead men commonly prooues more effectuall more profitable or more dangerous then that of the liuing For your Maiesty there is God be thanked no feare at all the obligations by which you haue tied your selfe to the Religion established amongst vs being so many and so strong and withall his motiues for inducement to the contrary so weake dealing with your Maiesty as the deuill did with our Sauiour who being beaten from Scripture fell to the promising of the glory of kingdomes which notwithstanding was not in his power to performe onely for their sakes some Replie seemed not vnnecessary of whom it may truely be sayd which hee falsly affirmes of your Maiesty that they imbrace shadowes
the 11. and 19. of Iames being put for the 1. and the 17. the 15. to the Heb. for the 11. and Psalm 83. 12. for 84. 11. But herein it may be hee followed the diuision of the vulgar edition and the rest I am content to impute to the Printer Hanc veniam petimusque damusque vicissim Dr. CARIERS PREFACE TO HIS LETTER Most Excellent and Renowned Soueraigne IT is not vnknowne to all those that knowe me in England that for these many yeeres I had my health very ill and therefore hauing from time to time vsed all the meanes and medicines that England could afford Last of all by the aduice of my Phisitians I made mine humble suite vnto your Maiestie that I might trauell vnto the Spaw for the vse of those waters purposing with my selfe that if I could be well I would goe from thence to Heydelberge and spend this winter there But when I was gone from the Spaw to Aquisgrane and so to Colin I found my selfe rather worse then better then I was before and therefore I resolued with my selfe that it was high time for me to settle my thoughts vpon another world And seeing I was out of hope to enioy the health of my body at the least to looke to the health of my soule from whence both art and experience teacheth me that all my bodily infirmities haue their beginning for if I could by any study haue prooued Catholike Religion to bee false or by any meanes haue professed it to bee true in England I doubt not but the contentment of my soule would haue much helped the health of my bodie But the more I studied the Scriptures and most ancient Fathers to confute it the more I was compelled to see the trueth thereof and the more I laboured to reconcile the religion of England thereunto the more I was disliked suspected and condemned as a common enemie And if I would haue been either ignorant or silent I might perhaps with the pleasures and commodities of my preferments haue in time cast off the care of Religion But seeing my studie forced mee to knowe and my place compelled me to preach I had no way to auoid my griefe nor meanes to endure it I haue therfore apprehended the opportunitie of my Licence to traâ—ell that I may withdraw my selfe for a while from the sight and offence of those in England which hate Catholike Religion and freely and fully enioy the presence of our blessed Sauiour in the vnitie of his Catholike Church wherein I will neuer forget at the dayly oblation of his most blessed bodie and blood to lift vp my heart vnto him and to pray for the admission of your Maiesty thereinto And in the meane time I haue thought it my duety to write this short treatise with mine owne hand wherein before I publish my selfe vnto the world I desire to shew to your Maiesty these two things 1 The meanes of my conuersion vnto Cath. Religion 2 The hopes I haue to doe your Maiesty no ill sâ—ruice therein I humbly craue your Maiesties pardon and will rest euer Your Maiâ—sties faithfull and truely deuoted seruant B. Carier GEORGE HAKEVVIL IT is likewise knowen to all them that knew you that for these many yeres you haue beene more sicke in minde then in body which hath appeared not onely publikely in your Sermons and writings but priuately in your Conferences and Letters where of my selfe am in part a witnesse but they with whom you were longer and more familiarly conuersant can more fully testifie it and though you vsed many medicines yet one was wanting to wit a meeke and quiet spirit a thing before God much set by it being as Dauids musicke which stilled Sauls rage and this I am perswaded would haue done you more good aswell in regard of the diseases of your body as your minde then any of your other medicines or all of them put together among which your last was the Spaw waters which I graunt you might vse by aduice of Physitians but I haue withall reason to thinke the voyage out of his Maiesties dominions into those parts was by you intended rather for the fuller safer discouering of the sickenes of your mind then the recouering of that of your body which your selfe in this very Preface confesse vpon the matter in as much as being you say suspected condemned as a common enemy and hauing no way to auoid your griefe nor meanes to endure it you desired to withdraw your selfe from the sight and offence of those who hated Catholike Religion whereby I presume you meane such as opposed your turbulent courses labouring vnder pretence of Catholike Religion and olde English diuinitie to bring in and set vp the new Romish and considering you stood so affected it seemeth to me strange you should purpose a iourney to Heydelberge and the spending of a winter there being so profested an enemy to all Caluinists except you hoped to conuert Abraham Scultet Or Dauid Parrey My selfe passed one whole winter amongst them and vnlesse their opinions be since altered or you had altered yours before your comming thither or at least concealed them at your being there you would doubtlesse before the winter had passed growen more weary of them then of vs But being you say vpon the way at Colin you found your selfe worse and thereupon resolued it was high time to settle your thoughts vpon another world and being out of hope to enioy the health of your bodie at least to looke to the health of your soule So that by your owne confession you made a vertue of necessitie then resoluing to settle your selfe when you expected not long after the dissolution of your body then to fixe your thoughts vpon God when you perceiued you could not long remaine in the world which as it is lesse acceptable to God then for a man to consecrate the flowre and strength of his age to him so is it in the doctrine of the Church of Rome lesse meritorious in it selfe and in reason not so exemplar to draw others Had you determined to forsake a falshod and imbrace a trueth for the meere loue of truth without worldly respects men would rather haue inclined to thinke that true which you had imbraced had you hoped to rise higher and liue longer and yet not held your life or hope of honor deare in regard of that future life and glory which you hoped for by the change of your Religion you might sooner haue induced others to follow your steps but for a man so ambitious as your selfe by your owne acknowledgement who by striuing against the streame had put himselfe not onely out of hope of rising higher but almost out of breath to and all hope of liuing much longer to seeke that name and fame in dying abroad which he saw could not bee gotten by liuing at home it may perhaps worke somewhat with those
exposition published vpon the 7. 8. 9. and 10. verses of the 20. chapter of the Reuel or lastly his subscription to the confession of his faith in the yeere 1581 assoon as hee came to yeeres of discretion you would haue had little reason to haue presumed so farre vpon him for hearkening to any peace with the Church of Rome as long as her whoredomes and witchcrafts râ—maine yet in such abundance and being offered cure â—hat we might know she is Babylon she hath and still doth wilfully refuse to be cured But the sandie ground of the vaine presumption will yet more liuely appeare if the forme of that subscription bee well considered in which hauing rehearsed and renounced the chiefe points of Popery as namely the Popes vsurped authoritie ouer the Scriptures ouer the Church ouer the ciuill Magistrate and the consciences of men his deuilish masse his blasphemous Priesthood his profane sacrifice for the quicke and the dead and in a word the erroneous and bloody decrees of the Councel of Trent hee promiseth and sweareth by the great name to the Lord God to perseuere in that faith and to defend it all the dayes of his life to the vtmost of his power vnder paine of all the Curses contained in the Law and the danger both of bodie and soule in the fearefull day of iudgement and further straightly chargeth and commandeth all his officers and ministers to make the same subscription themselues and to take it of others vnder their charge and lest we should thinke that arriuing to riper age hee altered his iudgement in his instructions to his sonne he giues vs this assurance As for the particular points of religion saith hee I neede not to dilate them I am no hypocrite follow my footesteps and your owne present education therein B. C. 10. But when after my long hope I at the last did plainely perceiue that God for our sinnes had suffered the deuill the athour of dissension so farre to preuaile as partly by the furious practise of some desperate Catholikes and partly by the fiery suggestions of all violent Puritans hee had quite diuerted that peaceable and temperate course which was hoped for and that I must now either alter my iudgement which was impossible or preach against my conscience which was vntolerable Lord what anxietie and distraction of soule did I suffer day night what strife betwixt my iudgement which was wholly for the Q peace and vnitie of the Church and my affection which was wholly to enjoy the R fauour of your Maiesty and the loue of my friends and Countrey this griefe of soule now growing desperate did still more and more increase the infirmities of my body and yet I was so loth to become a professed Catholike with the displeasure of your Maiestie and of all my honourable and louing friends as I rather desired to silence my iudgement with the profits and pleasures of the world which was before mee then to satisfie it with reconciling my selfe vnto the Catholique Church But it was Gods will that euer as I was about to forget the care of religion and to settle my selfe to the world among my neighbours I met with such humours as I saw by their violence against Catholikes and Catholike religion were like rather to waken my soule by torture then bring it asleepe by temper and therefore I was driven to S recoile to God and to his Church that I might find rest vnto my soule G. H. 10. Q Certainely for their sinnes it was that God suffered them to plot so barbarous a designe but for our good wee hope if in nothing else yet in working in vs a stronger hatred of that religion which produceth such effects and in awakening vs to beware of the like mischieuous plot againe if it be possible the like may be plotted we excuse not our selues but in this businesse we haue rather tasted of Gods mercy which we deserued not then of his iudgements which wee must acknowledge we deserued R Quis tulerit Gracchos deseditione querentes what patient eare can endure him talking of nothing but peace and vnity who did euer blow the coales of dissention both in Court and Countrey as well in the Colledge where he liued a fellow as in the Church where he was a Canon S So it may well be gathered out of your owne words that the chiefe ground of your griefe was that you saw your ambitious humour was now crossed in as much as you could not keepe the olde wont and withall rise to place of honour T Your apostasie and forsaking the faith and Church in which you were baptized you call a recoiling to God and to his Church neither will I much stand vpon it since we know that Antichrist must sit in the Temple of God bearing himselfe as God B. C. 11. And yet because I had heard often that the practise of the Church of Rome was contrary to her doctrine I thought good to make one triall more before I resolued and therefore hauing the aduise of diuerse learned Physitians to goe to the Spaw for the health of my body I thought good to make a vertue of necessitie and to get leaue to goe the rather for the satisfaction of my soule v hoping to find some greater offence in the seruice of the Church of Rome then I had done in her bookes that so I might returne better contented and persecute and abhorre the Catholikes at home after I should find them so wicked and idolatrous abroad as they were in euery pulpit in England affirmed to be For this purpose before I would frequent their Churches I talked with such learned men as I could meet withall and did of purpose dispute against them and with all the wit and learning I had both iustifie the doctrine of England established by Law and obiect their superstition and idolatrie which I thought they might commit either with the images in the Church or with the Sacrament of the Altar G. H. 11. That is a trueth to auouch the practise of the Church of Rome to be more grosse then her doctrine howbeit we must confesse her doctrine in many points to be very grosse appeares by this that the better and wiser sort among themselues both in their iudgements and writings condemne many fopperies vsually practised by the people and winked at by their guides as their hallowing of graines and medalls and beads by touching some supposed Relique with opinion of merit Their praying to fained Saints and beleeuing forged legends and miracles Their permitting of publique Stewes and a Priest to keepe his concubine vnder a yeerely rent which Espencaeus wisheth were falsly thrust in among the grieuances of Germany Their setting of certaine rates vpon the most grieuous sinnes before they bee committed as appeareth in their Taxa Camera Their allowing of Sanctuaries for wilfull murder Their ordinary buying and selling of soules in Purgatory as a man would buy an horse in
Smithfield Lastly the making of ghosts to walke and talke at their pleasure of images to moue to weepe to sweate to speake when they list are matters which the modester sort dare not defend and yet the most impudent cannot well deny and surely for mine owne part I must confesse that nothing so much mooued me to a loathing of their religion as the beholding of their practise their whole worship wherein we differ either consisting in apish ridiculous gestures or in a meere outward formality or directed wholly to the greatnesse and gaine of the Clergy And I haue heard some English gentlemen affirme that being induced by subtilty of argument to the entertaining of some doctrine of the Church of Rome the sight of her whorish countenance and the licentious liues of her chiefe Prelates euen in Rome it selfe hath wrought them to a distaste of it as supposing that a face so artificially painted and composed could not stand with simplicity of trueth nor such lewdnesse in liuing with soundnesse in doctrine which Adrian the VI. by nation a Netherlander one of the best Popes of latter dayes acknowledged to be the chiefe cause of so much scandall in the world and so generall and eager a desire of reformation as appeares in his instructions to his Nuntio to bee deliuered to the States of Germany assembled in Diet and recorded by Espencaeus in his Commentary on the first of Titus and therefore promiseth that he would begin with the reformation of his owne Court as our Sauiour did with the Temple but his disposition being discouered and his intent knowen order was takē that he should not proceed in that busines being shortly after cut off by vntimely death So that if you had so pleased you might haue found the practise of the Church of Rome much more grosse then her doctrine aswell for exercise of their religion as for the liues of their Clergie and religious men neither needed you to haue vndertaken a voyage to the Spaw for that purpose in as much as you had made or at least might haue made triall therof at your being in France with an honourable person imployed thither by his Maiesty In the last words of your Section going before this you tel vs that you were driuen to recoile to God and his Church that you might finde rest to your soule and here within 10. lines you tell vs that you got leaue to trauell beyond the Seas hoping to finde some greater offence in the seruice of that Church then you had done in her bookes in her practise then in her doctrine and yet both your instances in the Section following and conference with learned men argue their doctrine rather then their practise B. C. 12. Their common answere was that which by experience I nowe finde to be true viz. that they doe abhorre all idolatry and superstition and doe diligently admonish the people to take heed thereof and they vse images for none other purpose but onely for a deuout memorie and representation of the Church triumphant which is most fit to bee made in the time and place of prayer where after a more speciall maner we should with all reuerence haue our conuersation amongst the Saints in heaven G. H. 12. It appeares by resting satisfied with this answere that either your wit and learning were very slender to obiect hauing as it seemes scarce looked into later writers so much as to vnderstand the state of questions controuersed betweene vs which notwithstanding you pretend before in your fifth Section or else your will forestalled by preiudice was very apt to receiue satisfaction with any answere For what nouice is there so meanely studied in Controuersies who knowes not that the Church of Rome hath hitherto practised and still doth professe that the vse of Images in their Churches is not onely for memorie and representation as you affirme but for worship and adoration and withall commandeth her Pastours in that Catechisme which they call the Romane to teach the people so Nay which is more they both giue and maintaine to bee due the same adoration to the signe of the Crosse and neither lesse nor more then is due vnto Christ himselfe which opinion as a moderate and iudicious writer hath well obserued howsoeeuer they endeuour to varnish and qualifie with distinctions which the Schooles in speculation haue boulted out pretending that the Crosse which to outward sence presenteth visibly it selfe alone is not by them apprehended alone but hath in their secret surmise or conceit a reference to the person of our Lord Iesus Christ so that the honour which they ioyntly doe to both respecteth principally his person and the Crosse but onely for his persons sake yet the people not accustomed to trouble their braines with so nice and subtill differences in the exercise of religion are apparantly no lesse insnared by adoring the Crosse then the Iewes by burning incense to the Brasen serpent and in actions of this kinde we are more to respect what the greatest part of men are commonly prone to conceiue then what some fewe mens inuention can deuise in construction of their owne particular meanings His Maiesties owne wordes to this purpose are excellent and worthy obseruation But for worshipping either of them sayth hee speaking of Reliques or Images I must account it damnable Idolatry I am no Iconomachus I quarrell not the making of images either for publike decoration or mens priuate vses but that they should be worshipped and prayed vnto or any holinesse attributed vnto them was neuer knowen of the ancients and the Scriptures are so directly vehemently and punctually against it as I wonder what braine of man or suggestion of Sathan durst offer it to Christians and all must be salued with nice Philosophicall distinctions as Idolum nihil est and they worship forsooth the Images of things in being and the Image of the true God but the Scripture forbiddeth to worship the image of any thing that God created It was not a nihil then that God forbade onely should bee worshipped neither was the Brasen serpent nor the body of Moses a nihil and yet the one was destroyed and the other hidden for eschewing of Idolatrie yea the image of God himselfe is not onely expresly forbidden to be worshipped but euen to be made The reason is giuen that no eye euer saw God and how can wee paint his face when Moses the man that euer was most familiar with God neuer saw but his backe parts Surely since hee cannot bee drawen to the view it is a thankelesse labour to marre it with a false representation which no Prince nor scarce any other man would be contented with in their owne pictures Let them therefore that maintaine this doctrine answere it to Christ at the latter day when hee shall accuse them of Idolatrie and then I doubt if hee will bee payed with such nice Sophisticall distinctions Hitherto his Maiestie then which I see not what could
bee to this point more fully and cleerely spoken B. C. 13. And for the blessed SacrameÌ„t they do not worship the Accidents which they see but the Substance which they beleeue and surely if Christ be there truely really present as your Maiestie seemeth to graunt hee is hee is as much to bee worshipped as if wee saw him with our bodily eyes neither is there any more Idolatry in the one then in the other If our blessed Sauiour himselfe should visibly appeare in person as hee was vpon the earth Iewes and Infidels would hold it for Idolatry to worship him and would crucifie him againe and so would all heretikes also who refuse to worship him in the Sacrament where hee is really present G. H. 13. You tell vs that the people doe not worship the accidents which they see but the substance which they see not but the question is whether they rightly beleeue the substance of Christs body to lie hidden and as it were buried vnder those Accidents which I am sure Saint Augustine on whom you so much relie is so farre from defending or else the adoration of Images before mentioned that in diuerse places hee maintaineth the cleare contrarie to both And to grant that after the words of Consecration pronounced the bodie of Christ is there folded or kneaded vp in a bodily maner yet whether the Priest that pronounceth them be rightly Ordered and if hee be whether hee pronounce them with the intent that the Church intends they may iustly make a doubt and consequently a question whether their worship bee idolatrous or no for in such cases by confession of all in stead of Christs bodie they worship the bread for our parts wee constantly beleeue him to be in heauen and not in the bread whereas we make a iust doubt whether a great part of them who beleeue him to be in the bread doe with like constancie beleeue that hee is in heauen You further adde that if he be truely and really present as his MAIESTIE seemeth to graunt he is as much to be worshipped as if wee saw him with our bodily eyes But indeed it is not the seeing of him with our bodily eyes that makes the matter or giues occasion of worshipping for then a blind man could not worship him at all nor a seeing man in the darke but the beleeuing of him to be present in a bodily manner Wee beleeue him then with his MAIESTIE it being Caluins opinion expressed in the very selfe same termes to be truely and really present but in a manner Sacramentall not bodily and consequently not to bee worshipped there as being not wrapped vp vnder the accidents of bread but triumphing in heauen And here by your leaue how submissiuely soeuer you would seeme in other places to carrie your selfe towards his Maiestie you make bold to put the title of Heretike vpon him and to ranke him among no better then â—ewes and Infidels But our iust defence is that after the way which you call Heresie we giue more true and lawfull honour to our blessed Sauiour then you casting all that religious worship which you giue to the blessed Virgin to Angels to Saints to the bread in the Eucharist to Images to Reliques to the Crosse and all that opinion of Merit of Supererogation and Satisfaction which you ascribe either to your selues or others wholy and solely vpon him either as God or as Man or as Mediatour betwixt God and Man onely wee denie to giue that honour to his Image or the bread in the Eucharist which is as essentially due to him as to them vndue B. C. 14. After diuers other obiections not so much because I was not as be cause I desired not to be satisfied I came to the Popes supposed pride and tyrannie ouer Kings and Princes and tolde them of the most horrible Treason intended and practised by Catholikes against your MAIESTIE which hath not yet beene iudicially condemned by the Church of Rome They all seemed to abhorre the fact as much as the best Subiests in the world and much more to fauour and defend the authoritie of Kings and Princes then Heretikes doe And they sayed that although your Maiestie were out of the Church yet they doubted not but if complaint were made in a iudiciall proceeding that fact should be iudicially condemned In the meane time it was sufficient that all Catholike writers did coÌ„demne it and that the Pope by his Breue had condemned it exhorting the Catholikes of England to all Christian patience and obedience and as for any other authoritie or superioritie of the Pope then such as is spiritual and necessary for the vnity of the Church I haue met with none that doe stand vpon it G. H. 14. You well say they seemed to abhorre the fact it being of the nature of those whereof Tacitus speakes Quae nunquam laudantur nisiperacta which are neuer commended till they are ended had it taken effect according to their designes for the setting vp of their Religion among vs it had vndoubtedly bin recorded a most happie and fortunate successe which now by abortion onely and miscariage is stiled an horrible Treason And if they defend the authoritie of Kings and Princes much more then they whom they call Heretikes I would faine know how it comes to passe that more of those Princes wâ—om you call Catholikes permit within their Dominions the publike exercise of Religion to those Heretikes then the contrarie Surely in my iudgement it is an euident argument that Christian Staâ—es conceiue reason to bee more iealous of the one then of the other neither is the reason farre to be sought â—ince the one acknowledgeth no Supreme forreine power which the other doth but the Pope you say condemned the Powder-plot by his Breue I much desire to see that Breue of the Popes which condemnes it I suppose it is most like to be found on the backside of Constantins donation as an Ambassador of Venice told the Pope touching his right to the Adriatique Sea or we may say of it Breuis esse laboro obscurusfio hee is so briefe and obscure in it as we can find no such matter Two Breues of Clements I remember I haue heard of for the withstanding of his Maiesties entrance to the Crowne and two others of Paulus V. against the taking of the oath of allegiance which I marueile M. Doctour neuer vouchsafed so much as once to remember through his Letter but any against the Powder-plot I cannot call to minde I haue seene or so much as heard of Lastly wheras you beare vs in hand that the Popes fauourites stand vpon none other authoritie for their Master then such as is spirituall and necessary for the vnity of the Church I guesse their meaning to be Bellarmines indirect power in temporals or temporall power in ordine as spiritualia in relation to spirituall dueties which is in trueth vpon the matter as much as can be demanded by them
and more then must be granted by vs it reaching to the deposition of Princes from their thrones and the disposition of their Crownes when his Holinesse shall iudge it fit for the vnity of the Church as well appeared in his Buls both against King Henry the father and Queene Elizabeth the daughter And thus farre Cardinall Perron that peaceable man and your great Patron expressed himselfe in the last assemblie of the three estates of France for which the Pope gaue him and the rest of the Clergy who stucke to him in that businesse as great thankes as if they had saued Saint Peters shippe from sinking both the Cardinall and the Pope supposing as it seemes that those sparkes flew into France from the fire of England howsoeuer sure it is they were quenched by the water of Tyber B. C. 15. So that whereas my hope was that by finding out the corruptions of the Church of Rome I should grow further in loue with the Church of England and ioyfully returne home and by inueighing against the Papists both enioy my present preferments and obtaine more and more I saw the matteâ— was like to fall out cleane contrary It is true indeed that there are many corruptionsâ— in all States God hath not his wheat field in this world wherein the deuill hath no tares growing and there are not tares more ranke then those that grow among the wheat for optimi corruptio pessima and where grace aboundeth if it be contemned there sinne aboundeth much more But seeing my reading and experience hath now taught me that the trueth of Christian Religion taught and practised at this day in the Church of Rome and all the obedient members thereof is the very same in substance which was preâ—igured and prophesied from the beginning of the world perfected by CHRIST himselfe deliuered to his Apostles and by them and their Successours perpetually and vniuersally practised vntill this day without any W substantiall alteration and that the new religion in X England wherein it doth differ hath no ground but either the pleasure of the Prince and Parliament or the common crie and voyce of the people nor no constancie or agreement with it selfe what should I now doe It is not in my power not to know that which I doe know nor to doubt of that which I haue spent so much time and taken so much paines and bestowed so much cost and made so many trials to find And I know if I should yeeld to be reconciled to the Church I should be in this world in all likelihood vtterly vndone and which grieued me more I should bee reiected of your Maiestie my most redoubted Lord and Master and despised by all my deare friends and louers in England G. H. 15. W The Church of Rome holds indeed the substance of Christian Religion in profession but yet by consequence shakes the foundation of it as it holds the death of Christ to be satisfactory for sinne and yet adding thereunto her owne meritorious satisfaction consequently by the latter she ouerthrowes the former for If righteousnesse be by the Law then Christ died without a cause and in reason impossible it is if traditions be held of equall valew with the Scriptures for the constituting of substantiall points but that in short time there should ensue a substantiall alteration and he that knowes not that the Church of Rome holds many things now as parts of the Catholike faith which it helds not in former ages knowes little what hath bene anciently held or now is X If by the religion of England you vnderstand that which is by Law established as in coÌ„mon construction you cannot otherwise be vnderstood you coÌ„demne your selfe out of your owne mouth in as much as you acknowledge before that the religion established by law in England was the same saue onely it was somewhat defectiue which now is and euer had beene held in the Catholike Church and yet here you say it hath no ground but the pleasure of the Prince and Parliament wheras in trueth we build vpon the Rocke of the Scriptures but you vpon the sand of traditions and which of vs hath the sounder foundation I appeale no farther then reason it selfe to iudge You as though you were not yet dead from the ordinances of the world burden your selues with traditions as touch not taste not handle not which all perish with the vsing and are after the commandements and doctrines of men but we haue a most sure word of the Prophets taking heede thereto according to S. Peters counsell as to a light that shineth in a darke place and as our ground is sure so is our agreement constant and vniforme in all points materiall and necessary to saluation whereas in the building of your tower of Babel such diuersitie of languages is heard that there is hardly any exposition of Scripture or point in controuersie which hath not bene or is called into question either directly or by consequent by some that liued and died in that Church which you call Catholike as will easily appeare to him who shall turne ouer the volumes of of Cardinall Bellarmine which is the true reason as I suppose that his workes are not allowed to bee read of all but of publike professours and such others as haue speciall permission from their Superiours B. C. 16. These were my thoughts at the Spaw which did so vexe and afflict my soule as that the waters could doe my body no good at all but rather much hurt neuerthelesse I auoided the company of Catholikes abstained from the Church and did both dispute and write against the Church of Rome as occasion was offered I still hoped that time would giue better counsell and therefore resolued to goe from the Spaw to Heidelberge to doe my duetie there in the meane time I thought with my selfe it may be God hath mooued his Maiesties heart to peace and reconciliation I knowe his disposition was so in the beginning and I remember M. Casaubon told me when I brought him out of France that his errand was nothing else but to mediate peace betweene the Church of Rome and the church of England Therefore I thought before I would submit my selfe to the Church of Rome I would write vnto M. Casaubon such a letter as he might shew vnto your Maiestie containing such conditions as I thought might satisfie your Maiestie if they were performed by the Church of Rome The copie of which letter is too long here to set down But when M. Casaubon answered me that he knew your Maiestie was resolued to haue no societie with the Church of Rome vpon any condition what soeuer and that it would be my vndoing if those my letters should come to your Maiesties hands or of those that bare the sway I began to despaire of my returne into England vnlesse I would ouerthrow both the health of my bodie and the quiet of my
words so many and forcible arguments to the contrarie be deduced I must confesse I know not what belongs to Logike and for other passages in the same speech which seeme to fauour your cause you must either iniuriously wrest them from the authors meaning or make them by reasonable construction sutable to these Howsoeuer your selfe being a Churchman and one of those whom he sharpely taxeth for changing their coats through curiositie affectation of noueltie or discontentment in their priuate humours cannot possibly be ranked amongst them to whom as to minds only retaining the liquor they first dranke in out of his speciall clemencie he proposeth more fauourable conditions and yet among these too he hath since discouered an vnnaturall disposition whom he hoped to find by moderate gentle vsage in the matter of naturall subiection quiet and well minded men and therefore no marueile if his Maiestie be since more exasperated and farther off from any reconciliation with that Religion then before But Mr. Casaubon you say tolde you that his errand hither was nothing else but to mediate peace betweene the Church of Rome and the Church of England It is certainely false that Mr. Casaubons errand was by his Maiestie intended to bâ— such and most vnlikely to be true that it was by Mr Casaubon so reported to you considering his direct and expresse writings both before his comming ouer and since against the chiefe Patrons and controuersed points of the Church of Rome and among the rest in the conclusion of his Epistle to Cardinall Perron where hee assures him from his Maiesties mouth and in his name that his constant purpose and full resolution was as long as the Church of Rome yeelded not to antiquity and trueth to entertaine no society with her at all which you might haue read before your departure and spared the paines of writing to M. Casaubon whome that I may yet more fully cleare from this imputation being not able now to speake for himselfe I will here set downe his Letter written with his owne hand to my Lords Grace of Canterbury vpon this very occasion in which hee termes the report no better then the slander of a wicked Apostate Illustrissimo Reuerendissimo Praesuli Domino Cantuariensi totius Angliae Primati Domino meo summa obseruantia colendo Illustrissime Reuerendissime Domine HEri quum essem in Aula ostendit mibi Regia Maiestas librum à Carerio sibi missum in quo mira quaedam de me narrantur puto Serenissimum Regem tuae Reuerentiae illa ostendisse Ego Dei gratia puto me sic vixisse priusquam in hoc regnum venirem postquaÌ„ veni in Angliam vt curare non debeam quid perditus apostata deâ—me garriat aut scribat apparet ipsum grauissimâ— iratum esse mihi propter Epistolam quam illi scripsi vt ab hoc insano consilio eum reuocarem propterea id agit vt meum nomen apud Regiam Maiestatem tuam Reuerentiam infamet Sedspero meliora de Regesapientissimo de te Illustrissime Presul apud quem si mihi opus esse apologia crederem omnia omisissem vt tuae Reuerentiae praesens me purgarem Sed non puto adeo infoeliciter mecum agi vt inâ—andi apostatae calumniae aliquid apud te contra existimationem meam valeant Si iusseris statim adero et ad omnia tuae Reuerentiae satisfaciam Interim quam sim occupatus in colophone imponendo operimeo narrabit tuae Reuerentiae Vederburnus noster verè pius iuuenis tua beneuolentia Presul Illustriss non indignus Deus immortalis te seruet Ecclesiae suae In Musaeo XIV Kal. Ian. MDCXIII Tuae Illustriss Reuerentiae obseruantissimus cultor ISA. CASAVBONVS Right Reuerend my Gracious Lord YEsterday being at Court the KINGS MAIESTIE shewed mee a booke sent him from Carier wherein certaine strange things are reported of me I thinke his MAIESTIE hath shewed them vnto your Grace I hope I haue by the grace of GOD so liued both before I came into this Kingdome and since I came into England that I ought not to care what a forlorne Apostate pratleth or writeth of me It appeares he is very angry with me for a letter I wrote him to reclaime him from that mad course thereupon he goes about to traduce me to the KINGS MAIESTY and your Grace But I hope better both of that most wise KING and of you most renowned Prelate Vnto whom if I thought there were need of Apologie I would laying all other things aside in person purge my selfe vnto your Grace But my case I trust is not so vnhappy that the slanders of a lewd Apostate should be of any force with you against my reputation If you command I will forthwith repaire vnto you and satisfie your Grace vnto the full In the meane time how busily I am occupied about the conclusion of my worke my friend Vederburne a very religious yong man and not vnworthy of your Graces fauor can shew your Grace God Immortall preserue you vnto his Church From my study Decemb. 19. 1613. Your Graces most respectiue Obseruer ISA. CASAVBON And that it may appeare how auerse hee was from vnion with that Church I will hereunto adde a former Letter written likewise to my L. Grace of Canterbury touching the same businesse before he was thus prouoked by D. Carier vpon occasion of a Letter written to the same effect from the Doctor to him Illustrissime Reuerendissime Domine MItto Reuerentiae Epistolam de quâ inaudiuisti Ego acceptam Epistolam vt Regi communicaretur putaui premendam neque ostendendam cuiquam mortalium Non enim possum probare consilium viri illius eruditi qui epistolam scripsit Quare respondi illi statim multis cum illo egi vt ab eo proposito desisteret Multas rationes ei attuli cur certò crederem amentiam esse aut potiâ—s furorem boni aliquid sperare à Romano Phalari nam hoc verbo vsus sum qui nostra mala si quae sunt inter nos ridet Proposui ei ob oculos quà m essent alieni proceres Romanae Ecclesiae ab omni aequitate imprimis Bellarminus de cuius impietate plura ad eum scripsi Posui illi ante oculos quanto cum suo periculo patronum Papae videretur agere Attuli testimonia Matthaei Paris de summâ Angliae infoelicitate quando Papae Ro. paruit Addidi exemplum illius Narbonensis qui nuper ad Ser. Regem similis argumenti librum miserat me iussum à Rege loqui eum librum detestatum esse D. Regem voluisse in latere libri animaduertere Posthaec quid factum sit Carerio nescio Hoc ego volui Reuerentiae tuae significatum Sed expectabam donec ad vrbem redijsses nam me libri mei editio domi tenet Sunt alia quaedam grauia de quibus acturus sum cum tuâ Reuerentiâ post vnum aut
not some reason here to sweare that Garnet was not put to death for Religion but for Treason The like might bee verified of Campian who in the yeere 1580. came couertly into England in the company of Robert Parsons with a Facultie obtained of Gregorie the XIII conceiued in these very words Petatur à summo Domino nostro explicatio Bullae declaratoriae per Pium Quintum contra ELIZABETHAM ei adhaerentes Quam Catholici cupiunt intelligi hoc modo vt obliget semper illam haereticos Catholicos verò nullo modo rebus sic staÌ„cibus sed tum demum quando publica eiusdem Bullae executio fieri poterit Has praedictas Gratias concessit summus PoÌ„tifex Patri Roberto Parsonio Edmundo Campiano in Angliam profectur is die 14. Aprilis 1580. praesente Patre Oliuerio Manacro Assistente Let Petition bee made to our highest Lord that some explication be made of the declaratorie Bull of Pius Quintus against ELIZABETH and her adherents which the Catholikes desire so to be vnderstood that it may bind her and heretikes but Catholikes by no meanes as the case now stands but then onely when the said Bull may publikely be put in execution These Faculties the Highest Bishop granted to Robert Parsons and Edmund Campian being bound for England the 14. of April 1580 in the presence of Oliuer Manacar Assistant Here againe I would demaund of Mr. Dr how many of the Romish profession are ready to sweare solemnely as the olde Romans did in the Deifying of their Emperours that hee is now a Saint and that hee died a glorious Martyr not for treason but for religion But were not Harte and Horton Rishton and Bosgraue of the same religion Priests by their order and some of the same societie and yet died not for it Are there not at this present diuers Seminary Priests at Wisbich and Baldwin the famous Iesuite in the Tower Certainely if there bee any fault in their vsage it is that they find too much mercie their mercilesse disposition toward vs hauing so lately so fully and so often been tried I will conclude this point with a case of conscience wherwith your Romish Priests were to arme themselues their disciples in the reigne of Q. ELIZABETH in case they should be apprehended and examined to the 55. Article when thâ— question is demaunded Whether notwithstanding the Bull of Pius the 5th that was giuen out or any Bull that the Bishop of Rome can hereafter giue foorth all Catholikes bee bound to yeeld obedience faith and loyaltie to Queene ELIZABETH as to their lawfull Prince and Soueraigne this resolution is framed Qui hoc modo interrogat illud quaerit Anid potuerit S. Pontifex facere cui quaestioni quid debeat Catholicus respondere clarius est quà m vt à me hâ—c explicetur sirogatur ergo Catholicus Credis Romanum pontificem ELIZABETHAM potuisse exauthor are respondebit non obstant e quouis metu mortis credo questio enim haec ad fidem spectat exigit confessionem fidei Hee that demandeth this question asketh in effect Whether the Pope might doe it or no to the which demaund what a Catholike ought to answere it is plainer then neede here be further expressed if therefore a Catholike bee asked Doe you beleeue the Bishop of Rome may depriue Queene ELIZABETH of her Crowne hee must answere not regarding any danger of death I beleeue hee may for this question is a point of faith and requireth the profession of our faith If any such Cabale onely the names changed runne yet as current among such as bee reconciled to the Church of Rome at this day as I know nothing to the contrary but it may if Mr. Dr. had returned vpon his returne endeuoured to haue framed his Proselites to those or the like conditions he might iustly haue suffred for it without any aspersion either of persecution vpon his Maiesties gouernement or cruelty vpon his Lawes howsoeuer it hath been discouered by the Missiues of of some such reconcilers sent to their Generall that for so many as they haue reconciled they dare sweare vpon what occasion soeuer may fall out they will bee ready to side with them and for such for mine owne part I dare not sweare being conuicted and sentenced that they die for religion But yet I commend Mr. Doctors witte aboue the zeale hee boasteth of that hee thought it fitter to stay there and dispute the matter with his pen then by comming ouer and practising put his person in hazzard And herein as through his whole discourse hee playes the Polititian chusing rather to sleepe in a whole skin then to resist vnto blood and to indanger his body for the gaining of soules CHAP. II. The hopes I haue to doe your MAIESTIE no ill seruice in being Catholike B. C. 1. MY first hope is that your Maiesty will accept of that for the best A seruice I can doe you which doth most further the glory of our blessed Sauiour and mine owne saluation B Indeed there are kingdomes in the world where the chiefe care of the gouernour is non quà m bonis praesit sed quà m subditis Such were the heathen kingdomes which S. Augustine describes in 2. de Ciuitate Dei Cap. 20. In such Common wealths the way to be a good Subiect is not to be a good man but to serue the times and turnes of them that beare the sway whatsoeuer they are C But if it be true that as some holy and learned Fathers teach in a well ordered gouernment there is eadem foelicitas vnius hominis ac totius ciuitatis then I am sure it must needes follow that in a Common-wealth truely Christian there is â—adem virtus boni viri ac boni ciuis And therefore being a Minister and Preacher of England if I will rather serue your Maiesty then my selfe and rather procure the good of your kingdome then mine owne prefâ—rment I am bound in duety to respect and seeke for those things aboue all other that may aduance the honour of God and the saluation of my owne soule and the soules of those which do any way belong to my charge And being sufficiently resolued that nothing can more aduance the honour of our Sauiour and the common saluation then to be in the vnity of his Church I haue done you the best seruice I could at home by preaching peace and reconciliation and being not able for the malice of the times to stand any longer in the breach at home I thinke it safest in this last cast to looke to mine owne game by my dayly prayers and dying to do your Maiesty the same seruice in the vnity of the Church which by my dayly preaching and liuing I endeuoured to doe in the midst of schisme G. H. 1. A In furthering the glory of God you shall doe others as much and in sauing your owne soule your selfe more seruice then his Maiesty but
they bee not silenced they must say nothing but what they are able to prooue by sufficient authority before those that are able to iudge as if our Bishops were ignorant that it belonged to their charge to take notice of the preaching of vnsound doctrine within their Diocesse and accordingly to censure it or knowing what is their duety in that behalfe they were more vnwilling or vnable to performe it then Doctor Carier and his Colledge of Critickes and in the meane time a conference must be had of learned and moderate men on either side such belike as your selfe like Metius Suffetius luke-warme halting betwixt two opinions rowing to the shore and looking to the Sea holding with the hare and running with the hound who publikely pray for the King and priuately worke for the Pope true learning we reuerence and Christian moderation we highly esteeme but Science falsely so called bent to the patronage of falsehood and neutralitie vnder the vizard of moderation to the reconciling of error to trueth is but the abusing of faire and honourable Titles to base and malicious ends which imputation you labour to fasten vpoÌ„ vs as if by the light of the Gospel we held the people in extreme ignorance wheras the Prophet Dauid tels vs that the word of the Lord was a lanterne to his feete and a light vnto his pathes and S. Peter You haue a most sure word of the Prophet to which you doe well that you take heede as vnto a light that shineth in a darke place but you beare vs in hand that the light of the Gospel holds men in extreame ignorance Zachary prophesied of his â—onne the Baptist that he was ordained to giue light to them that sit in darkenesse and in the shadow of death to guide their feete into the way of peace and the Baptist himselfe of CHRIST that he was that true Light which lighteth euery man that commeth into the world But you tell vs that it serues to dazell mens eyes and rob their purses And no doubt had you liued among the Pharisees in the time of CHRIST or Iohn the Baptist you would haue called their doctrine a counterfeit light in a theeues lanterne aswel as ours being in substance the same with theirs And for ignorance I may bee bolde to say it with a thankefull acknowledgement to God for it that a good part of our people are more expert in the Scriptures and are better able to yeeld an account of that faith which is in them then many of your Prelates and Priests whereof some beare the name of the brotherhood of ignorance and all at least by your practise acknowledge her the mother of deuotion in as much as you withhold the trueth in vnrighteousnesse like Esopes dog you neither eate hay your selues nor suffer others to eate it You pretend the key of Knowledge but you neither enter in your selues nor suffer others to enter you neither reade nor esteem the Scriptures your selues as you ought nor suffer the people to reade them but seale them vp in an vnknown language to the vse of a few with whoÌ„ you please to dispense B. C. 21. For matter of doctrine there is no reason that your Maiestie or the Kingdome should be molested or burthened for the mainetenance of Caluinisme which is as much against the Religion of England as it is against the Religion of Rome and will by necessarie consequence ouerthrow not onely the Catholike Church the Communion of Saints and the forgiuenesse of sinnes but also all the Articles of the Creede saue onely so much as the Turke himselfe will be content to beleeue which will be easie to proue vpon better leasure The doctrine of England which is contained in the Common prayer booke and Church Catechisme confirmed by act of Parliament and by your Maiesties Edict wherein all Englishmen are baptized and ought to be confirmed and therefore there is some reason that this should be stood vpon But this doctrine in most of the maine points therof as hath bene touched before and requireth a iust Treatise to set downe in particular doth much differ from the current opinions and Catechismes of Caluinisme doth very neere agree with or at least not contradict the Church of Rome if wee list with patience to heare one another and those points of doctrine wherein wee are made to be at warres with the Church of Rome whether we will or not doe rather arguethe corruptions of the State from whence they come then are argued by the grounds of that Religion wherevpon they stand and the contradiction of doctrine hath followed the alteration of State and not the alteration of State beene grounded vpon any trueth of doctrine G. H. 21. We are now come to one of the maine points you driue at howbeit you seeme onely to glance at it in passage and to draw it on vpon the bye which is to put vs off from all fellowship and communion with those Churches who acknowledge Caluin to haue beene an excellent instrument of God in the abolishing and suppressing of Poperie and the clearing and spreading of his trueth that so being separated from them we may either stand single and be encountred alone or returne againe to our old bias and relaps vpon Rome and so through Caluins sides you strike at the throat and heart of our Religion For our parts we all wish with the Reuerend learned Prelate of our owne Church that you were no more Papists then wee Caluinists no more pind on the Popes sleeue then we on Caluins whoÌ„ we esteeme as a worthy man but a man and consequently subiect to humane error and frailtie We maintaine nothing with him because he affirmes it but because from infallible grounds he proues it whereas the Popes bare assertion with you is proofe sufficient You are so sworne to his words that they are of equal or higher authoritie with you then Pythagoras his precepts with his Schollers ipse dixit is enough for your warrant but for vs we imbrace Caluin as himselfe doth authors not diuine vsque ad aras so farre foorth as with diuine hee accordeth and no farther This is our iudgement of Caluin but to say that the doctrine which he maintaines is as much against the Religion of England as it is against that of Rome is a desperate assertion and such as can neuer be made good did all our fugitiues lay their heads together and were all their wits turned into one And I much meruaile what you meant pretending so much tendernesse of conscience and diligence in search of the trueth to suffer your malice so farre to preuaile vpon your iudgment as to let so foule a blot so manifest a falshood to drop from your pen and not only so but to present it to the scanning of so learned a Prince and to publish it to the view and censure of the world For if Caluins
doctrine bee as opposite to our Religion as to the Romish then must it needs follow that either ours and the Romish agree in one or that ours is as distant from Caluins as Caluins is from the Romish both which to bee vntrue appeares aswell by the testimonie of all other Romish writers and the authority of the Pope himselfe in his Bull against Queene ELIZBAETH as those whome they terme Lutherans who euer range vs among the Caluinists as also of our owne writers and those of forraine Churches by you termed Caluinistical because with him they ioyne in profession of the same trueth the manifold Letters by them written and Bookes dedicated to our late blessed Queene our Bishops and Noble men by French and Heluetian Diuines specially of Zurich and Basil testifie to the world that they then held their religion to bee the same with ours and ours with theirs and for any thing I know neither theirs nor ours is since changed saue onely some such neutrals as your selfe labour to drawe vs neerer to Rome then they can bee drawen or the trueth it selfe will permit that wee should Among many other testimonies I will onely instance in two the one an Heluetian touching our conformitie with forreine reformed Churches in former times the other a French man touching the present the Heluetian is Bullinger who dedicating his Commentaries vpon Daniel to Horne Bishop of Winchester Iewell Bishop of Salisbury Sandes Bishop of Worcester Parkhurst Bishop of Norwich and Pilkington Bishop of Durham in his Epistle Dedicatory professeth hee did it chiefly to this ende that posterity might vnderstand their indissoluble knot of friendship and the mutual consent betweene England and Suisserland in matter of Religion howbeit they were remooued farre asunder in situation of place The French is Peter Moulin who in defence of his Maiesties Booke against Coffeteau acknowledgeth that wee had enough sufficient men of our owne to defend the Cause but that hee vndertooke the worke to let the world knowe that the same Confession which his Maiestie had made was also theirs and that they and the trueth were assailed in his Person and Writings But what neede I stand vpon the particular testimonies of priuate men since the Confessions of our Churches are extant to be compared as well in the Booke intituled The Harmony as in that other termed The bodie of Confessions In the meane time to giue the Reader some satisfaction I will set downe the doctrine of the Church of England in points of difference together with Caluint on the one side of it and the Romish on the other that so wee may make some estimate whether Caluinisme bee as opposite to the Religion of England as to that of Rome Now for the doctrine of the Church of England I will not extend it so wide as to the Bookes and Lectures of our Bishops and publique professours the lights and guides of our Church and Vniuersities nor yet contract and confine it as Mr. Doctor doeth within the narrow compasse of the Common prayer Booke and Church Catechisme the booke of Canons and therein Nowels Catechisme Can. 79. being confirmed and allowed by publike authoritie But aboue all I very much maruell Mr. Doctors memory should so farre faile him as quite and cleane to forget the Booke of Articles solemnely agreed vpon by the Reuerend Bishops and Clergie of this kingdome at two seuerall meetings or Conuocations of theirs in the yeeres of our Lord 1562 and againe 1604 and lately againe confirmed by two seuerall Canons the 5 and 36 in number since himselfe subscribed to them at the taking of his Orders if not of his Degrees and liuing a long time as Chaplen in house with Archbishop Whitegift and since keeping his ordinary turnes of waiting at Court and residence at Canterbury he could not bee ignorant of them nay I can shewe it vnder his owne hand which argues hee fought against the light of his owne conscience that setting downe the differences betweene the Olde English and New French diuinitie as he calles it hee quotes diuers of those Articles for the doctrine of the Church of England and besides professing himselfe so skilfull in the Statutes he could not but knowe that The Booke of Articles and Iniunctions is by them aswell confirmed and authorized as The Booke of Common Prayer in which Articles are also allowed and ratified The second Booke of Homilies and holy Orders so that whatsoeuer is doctâ—inally deliuered in any of these may safely bee called The doctrine of the Church of England But for the present I will content my selfe with the Booke of Articles onely and for the doctrine of the Church of Rome with the Canons and positions of the Tridentine Councell and Catechisme and for Caluines doctrine with that specially which hee hath deliuered in his 4. Bookes of Christian Institutions Here followeth the Table of differences B. C. 22. For when the breach was resolued on for the personall and particular ease of Henry the VIII and the children of his later wiues it was necessary to giue euery part of the Common-wealth contentment for which they might hold out in the heate of affection and studie to maintaine the breach otherwise it was likely that in the clearenesse of iudgement it would quickly haue growen together againe and then the authours thereof must haue beene excluded and giuen account of their practise G. H. 22 Howbeit Henry the VIII actually indeed made that breach with Rome which continues at this day and is like to doe till Rome by her reformation endeuour to make it vp yet they certainely erre who seeke the cause of it onely in him and in his times or fixing their eyes vpon his person quarrel looke not vp to the state and course of former ages for as no wise man would assigne the cause of death to some accident falling out in the last point and period of life but to some former distemper or intemperancie so the reasons of vnhorsing the Pope and reiecting his authoritie with the generall applause of all the estates of the Realme hauing beene so long anâ— so deepely rooted in mens minds are not to be searched for in the personall and particular proceedings of Henry the VIII but in the ancient Records and euidences of our Histoâ—ians who all complaine of the spurring and gauling and whipping of our land by those Italian riders vntill like Balaams asse shee turned againe opened her mouth to complaine and being out of all hope of reliefe by complaint cast her rider As many witnesses we haue hereof well neere as Writers since the last 600. yeres as many cleere testimonies as there be leaues in Mat. Paris the most learned and sufficient Writer vnlesse you will except William of Malmesburie that those times afforded It was a memorable speech of Robert Grosteed Bishop of Lincolne who liued 358. yeres since in the time of Gregory the IX Caelestine the IIII. Innocent the IIII.
both they and their posterity might be at vtter defiance therewith and so hauing ouerthrowne and prophaned the good workes of the Saints it was necessary for them to get them Chaplins that might both dispute preach and write against the merits of good workes the inuocation of Saints the sacrifice of the Altar prayer for the dead and all such points of Catholike doctrine as were the grounds of those Churches and religious houses which they had ouerthrowen and prophaned And it was not hard for those Chaplines by some shew of Scripture to proue that which their Lords and followers were so willing to beleeue G. H. 23. The Abbies and Religious houses were growen to that height of idlenesse the mother of ignorance and luxurie within themselues and by reason thereof into that contempt and base estimation with the people that it was high time some blood should haue beene drawen from their swelling veines specially considering the little vse the Common-wealth had of them but chiefely for that they were so farre degenerated from the primitiue institution Their number was great it being 645. monasteries of men and women accounting the Priories and Frieries besides Chaunteries and free Chappels their seate commonly in the fairest and fattest part of the land their reuenues amounting to an inestimable summe as in the originall booke thereof taken by Commission and giuen to the King may appeare though at their dissolutions their values were fauourably and farre vnder rated in so much as in the raigne of Edward the first a statute of Mortmaine was made for the restraining of that excesse And had not Henry the fifth beene wisely diuerted vpon the French warres by Archbishop Chichly he had in all likelihood preuented Henry the eight in diminishing if not demolishing those houses being sâ—t on by his Parliament held at Leicester in the beginning of his raigne in which a bill was exhibited complaining how their reuenues giuen for deuotion were most desorderly wasted vpon Hounds and Hawkes and Horses and Whores which if better imployed would serue for the defence of the land and honour of the King and suffice for the maintenance of fifteene Earles fifteene hundred Knights sixe thousand two hundred Esquires and one hundred Almes-houses for reliefe of impotent and diseased persons and besides all this to the Kings Coffers there would thereby yeerely accrew twenty thousand pounds And to speake a trueth Cardinall Wolsey was the man who by pulling downe the smaller both shewed and made a way to the King Henry the eight for taking the like order with the bigger Neither did hee thinke his hands lesse bound towards his owne subiects then the Pope and French King did theirs for the rooting out of the rich and powerfull order of Templars through Christendome accusing them of like grieuous and vnnaturall offences as were in open Parliament layed to the charge of our monasticall professours vpon the relation of such Commissioners who were appointed to make search to that purpose no marueile then that as after the dissolution of that order which fell out in the raigne of Edward the second as Thomas de la More reportâ— is who at the same time liued as an officer in his Court the heires of the donors and such as had indowed them with lands reentred vpon those parts of their ancient patrimonies so in the downefall of Monasteries the Lords tooke their share of those lands which their ancestors had formerly bestowed to piouâ—â—vses but were at that time very much abused by the possesâ—ours But a great part of them about or somewhat aboue 600. yeeres since were thrust into the possessions of maried Church-men by Dunstan Archbishop of Canterbury so that if euery bird had his feather at their dissolution the greatest part of their lands had returned to the Clergie or at least their impropriations which were as improper to them though they held them by dispensation as now it may well bee disputed they are to the possessâ—urs of them A part whereof notwithstanding are so farre off from being at defiance with your Church that they are professed Romane Catholikes And in Queene Maries dayes among all those that intirely embraced that Religion not so much as one was found that could be drawen to disgorge those sweet morsels they had deuoured or to make restitution of a foote of land though the Queene her selfe the rather to draw them on had offered all she held in possession Then was your doctrine of good workes your Inuocation Saints your sacrifice of the Altar and your prayer for the dead restored which were the grounds you say of those religious houses yet the land which had bene their maintenance was not restored And as the reuiuing of those doctrines could not serue to giue new life vnto the carkasses of those ruined houses so the ruining of those houses was not the cause as you pretend of the impugning of those doctrines since they were impugned by the confession of your owne Writers by the Waldenses by the Albingenses by Wicliffe by Husse by Luther by Zuinglius by Caluin before those houses fell and continued for the most part during all the raigne of Henry the eight as may appeare by the sixe articles commonly called the whip with the sixe cordes And for any thing I finde he altered nothing excepting the taking downe of Monasteries and the Popes authority but onely the translation of the Bible and the singing and reading diuine seruice in our mother tongue so that it is cleare to any indifferent iudgement that the contradicting of those doctrines rather caused the ruine of those houses then their ruine as you would beare vs in hand the contradicting of those doctrines And it were no hard matter not by shew of Scripture but by Scripture it selfe to prooue their vnsoundnesse But an harder I am sure it were for his Holinesse Chaplaines from thence to proue their soundnesse in that sense as they are now defended in the Church of Rome howbeit you are as willing to beleeue the trueth of them for the aduantage you reape by them specially by the sacrifice of the Altar and prayer for the dead as any can bee vpon the like reason to beleeue the contrary B. C. 24. To the Commons was giuen great hope of reliefe for their pouertie ease of subsidies and the burden of so great a Clergie and many other goodly gay nothings And for the present they should haue liberty and the benefit of the common Law that is leaue to liue by such Lawes as themselues list to make and to contemne the authoritie of the Church which although it were for their benefit euery way yet because it crossed their affections like wayward children they could neuer abide it and was not this reason enough for them to hold out the breach and to study Scripture themselues that they might be able to confute Confession Satisfaction Penance and to declaime against that tyranny of the Church of Rome whereby
themselues and their forefathers had bene kept in awe and obedience vnto God and their kings G. H. 24. The Commons might haue beene disburdened of their Subsidies had those reuenues and treasures which came or might haue come to the Crowne by the downefall of monasteries bene imployed as they might haue bene the plates and wires of gold of Beckets onely shrine together with the pearles and precious stones of inestimable value filling two great chests But God so ordered the matter for their laying of sacrilegious hands as it may be thought vpon those tenths which by himselfe were consecrated to himselfe that neither it nor the rest prospered neither was the king thereby much inriched nor the Commons relieued it beeing like the dead flie in the boxe of oyntment or the Colloquintida in the Prophets pottage Now for the peoples liberty in making lawes at their own pleasure to liue as they listed it is a matter fondly surmised and published of you not promised by the State nor demanded or expected by them The Lawes Ecclesiasticall were in King Henries time and by his authority appoynted to be compiled and digested by a certaine company of Bishops and other diuines ioyned in Commission with Ciuill and Canon-Lawyers to the number of 32. but this worke being leâ—t imperfect by the death of that king was afterward finished in the dayes and by the command of his sonne Edward which my selfe haue seene though by the vntimely death of that king also it neuer yet receiued publike allowance And for other lawes as the world knoweth they neither could nor can make any without the consent of the Lords spirituall and temporall and the approbation of the king And lastly how the lawes of your Church crossed their affections let their often and dangerous rebellions for the restoring of them testifie there beeing none in trueth more fitting to the humour of a natural minded man as may appeare by this that a man of no religion and like white paper or sponged tables apt to receiue any impression will sooner imbrace yours then any other in the world From this you digresse to their studying of the Scriptures that they might be able to confute confession satisfaction penance and to declaime against that tyranny of the Church whereby themselues and their forefathers had bene kept in awe and obedience to God and their king For their studying of the Scriptures it is indeede a great eye-sore to you because thereby your malice in withholding your followers from reading them and withall your burdensome traditions thrust vpon them for your owne honor and gaine but to their paine and grieuance are clearely discouered and discerned from that which before you call eternall trueth but to them nothing can bee more profitable or to their guides more comfortable so it bee done with reuerence and â—obriety and as our Preface to the Bishops Bible exhorts not so much to dispute and contradict as to learne and obey as being a practise which both our Sauiour himselfe and his Apostles and the holy Fathers of the Primitiue Church specially S. Chrysostome in diuers homilies often and earnestly exhort their heares vnto And for the confutation of those poyntes you name I am of opinion and I thinke not without reason that many of our people are better able by Scriptures to confute them as they are now held and vsed amongst you then your greatest Bishops and Cardinals are from thence able to proue them of whom some haue not sticked to professe that they thought that time which they passed in reading the Scriptures to be of all other the most vnprofitably spent preferring Tullies Orations before Pauls Epistles and Aristotles Ethikes before Solomons Prouerbes B. C. 25. To the Clergiemen that would turne with the times beside the possibilitie of present preferment by the alteration was giuen shortly after leaue to marrie to purchase and to enioy the profit and pleasure of the world as well as the laitie and what carnall minded Monke or Priest would not with might and maine keepe open the breach after he was once plunged in it rather then to be in danger to forgoe so pleasing a coÌ„moditie Hence did arise a necessitie of speaking and writing against Vowes Vrginitie Pouertie Fasting Praying Watching Obedience and all that austeriâ—ie of life which is by the Lawes of the Church required in a monasticall and Priestly conuersation G. H. 25. Little hope was there giuen for the present to the Church-men that yeelded to the King for matter of preferment since the Abbots and Priors were not onely turned out of doores but their houses rased and their goods and lands confiâ—cated And for the Bishops none of their places thereby fell voide they all Rochester onely excepted ioyntly concurring with the king in casting off the Romish yoke and for their marrying purchasing neither of theÌ„ were permitted during the reigne of king Henry who liued reigned somewhat aboue 14. yeres after the breach with Rome Howbeit if wee may credite Mr. Cambden an vnpartiall Antiquarie Churchmen were not forbidden mariage in England till the yere 1102. then Anselme Archbishop of Canterburie sayeth hee offered violence both to nature and to the Scriptures which he writes vpon occasion of one Ealphegus a Priest famous for his learning who was married and dwelt in the South part of Deuonshire And further he alledgeth the words of Henry of Huntindon touching that act of Anselme He forbadwiues to the English Priests being neuer before forbidden which to some seemed a thing very decent to others as dangerous least whiles they aimed to a puritie aboue their reach they might fall into horrible impurities to the dishonour of CHRISTS Name and their profession Those words of Cambden before quoted together with these of Huntindon by him alledged are commaunded to be rased by the Spanish Index But they might aswell haue rased those of theâ—I â—I in Platina auouching that hee saw great reason why Priests should be restrained of mariage but greater why it should be restored them or those of Cassander by that ouer rigorous and vnseasonable constitution speaking of restraint of marriage in Churchmen wee see much grieuous and abominable scandall to haue arisen in the Church or those of Mantuan touching S â— Hillary Bishop of Poictiers in France Non tibi progenies nocuit non obfuit vxor Legitimo coniuncta toro Or lastly those of the same Poet speaking of the father of Nazianzen Praesule Patre satus nam tunc idiura sinebant non horruit illâ Tempestate Deus Thalamos cunabula toedas And in another place of the father of Basil and Gregorie Nyssen Tutius esse volunt qua lex diuina sinebat Isse viâ veterumque sequi vestigia patrum Quorum vita fuit melior cum coniuge quam nunc Nostra sit exclusis Thalamis coniâ—gis vsu. And if marrying be allowed them I see no reason but they should withall be allowed purchasing as they are and alwayes haue
and age and wrought by the frownes and threates of Cardinall Poole then Archbishop of Canterbury the Popes Legate and in England the principall Proctor and Champion for the aduancing of his authority was once brought to acknowledge that shee was a Romane Catholike but herein she did no more then St. Peter did whose successour the Bishop of Rome pretendeth himselfe in denying his Master No more then the Prince of Condie the King of Nauarre and his sister who at the massacre of Paris for feare renounced their Religion and were by the Cardinall of Bourbon reconciled to the Church of Rome though after ward being at liberty they reimbraced their former profession Nay no more then Queene Mary her selfe who being terrified with her Fathers displeasure wrote him a Letter vvith her owne hand yet to be seene in which for euer she renounceth the Bishop of Romes authority in England and acknowledging her Father vnder Christ supreame head of the Church of England confesseth his marriage with her Mother to haue beene vnlawfull and incestuous But I would faine know after Queene Elizabeth came to the wearing of the Crowne by what Catholike opinions shee gaue hope to her neighbour Princes that shee would continue Catholike If it were so as Mr. Doctor would beare vs in hand how was it that the reformed Churches through Christendome applauded her comming to the Crowne as it had beene the appearance of some luckie starre or the rising of some glorious Sunne for their Comfort and reliefe and your pretended Catholikes hung downe their heads as if they had seene some Comeâ— or blazing-starre How she was then affected in religion and so professed her selfe may appeare if no where else yet in Osorius his Epistle which he wrote her not long after her comming to the Crowne where he highly commends her for her wit for her learning for her clemencie for her constancy for her wisdome for her modestie but disswades her by all the arguments he could inuent from the opinions she had conceiued and did expresse in the matter of Religion Pius Quartus doth the like in his letter which he sent her about the same time by the hands of Vincentius Parpalia Abbot of Saint Sauiours who as it appeares in the Letters dated the 5th of May 1560 had priuate instructions to impart to the Queene among which the chiefe were thought to bee as it is reported by the most diligent searcher of truth that if she would reconcile her selfe to the Church of Rome and acknowledge the Supremacie of that See the Pope for his part would bind himselfe to declare the sentence pronounced against her mothers marriage to be vniust to confirme by his authority The English Liturgie and to permit the administration of the Sacrament here in England vnder both kindes By which it appeares that at that time shee then maintained the same opinions which during her life shee altered not And here it may be worth the remembring that the fourteenth day of Ianuary about two moneths after her sisters death as shee passed in her triumphall Chariot through the streetes of London when the Bible was presented vnto her at the little Conduit in Cheape shee receiued the same with both her handes and kissing it layd it to her breast saying That the same had euer been her chiefest delight and should bee the rule by which shee meant to frame her gouernment Before this a Proclamation came foorth that the Letanie the Epistles and Gospels the Decalogue the Creede and the Lords Prayer should bee read in all Churches in the English tongue and though it were the 14th of May after being Whitsunday before the sacrifice of the Masse was abolished and the book of the vniformitie of Common Prayer and the administration of the Sacraments publikely receiued and Iuly following before the Oth of Supremacie was proposed and August before the Images were by authority moued out of the Churches broken and burnt so moderately did shee proceede in this businesse of reformation by steppes and degrees yet is it plaiâ—e aswell by the choyce of those eight whom she added to her sisters Counsell beeing all in profession Protestants which Pius 5 tus in his Bull makes a part of his grieuous complaint and those whom she either restored to their former dignities or aduanced to new being likewise as auerse from the Romane Religion as also by the refusall of Nicholas Heath then Archbishop of Yorke the See of Canterbury by the death of Cardinall Poole who deceased the same day that Queene Mary did being then voide and of the rest of the chiefe Bishops to annoint and consecrate her at her Inauguration it being therefore performed by Owen Oglethorpe Bishop of Carlile by these proceedings I say it is plaine that at her first entrance to the Crowne she sufficiently declared her selfe to bee the same in matter of Religion as afterwards they found her Wherunto if full satisfaction be not yet giuen in this point for farther proofe might be added that when Philip of Spaine wooed her for mariage the funerals of her sister being not yet solemnized The French King by his Agent the Bishop of Engolesme laboured if it had gone forward to stop their dispensation at Rome vnder colour that Queene Elizabeth fauoured the Protestants Religion and the Earle of Feria the Spaniards Agent here in England bore our pretended Catholiks in hand that except that match went forward it could not goe well with them so farre was shee at her first entrance from giuing hope to her neighbours as Mr. Doctor would perswade the world of continuing or turning Catholike by shew of Catholike opinions vnlesse her retaining the ancient forme of Ecclesiasticall policie and the godly Ceremonies vsed in the Primitiue Church be accounted Catholike opinions as in truth if wee take the word Catholike aright they may But no maruell hee should thus boldly and falsely charge the dead since hee spareth not in the same kinde his Maiestie now reigning and by Gods grace long to reigne amongst vs to the confutation of such slanders and confusion of such slanderers Hee goes on and tels vs that all her life long shee caried her selfe so betwixt Catholikes and Caluinists as shee kept them both still in hope But herein he mainely crosseth himselfe aswell in that which hee hath deliuered in the Section next saue one going before that if there bee now the same reason of State as there was all Queene Elizabeths dayes there is as little hope that his Maiestie should hearken vnto reconciliation as then there was that Q. Elizabeth would as also in that which afterwards he addes in this Section that being prouoked by the excommunication of Pius Quintus shee did suffer such lawes to bee made by her Parliament as might crie quittance with the Pope and Church of Rome And in the next Section he sayth It was necessary in reason of State to continue the doctrine of diuision as long as the
Emperours or Christian Princes besides this the Councell it selfe layed a foundation for that which the fourth generall Councell further built vpon in equalizing the See of Constantinople or new Rome to that of the olde The thirde generall Councell was held at Ephesus in the yeere 430. summoned by Theodosius the younger against the Nestorian heresie which diuided Christ into two persons it consisted of 200. Bishops This Councell in which S. Cyrill was president not onely prescribed and limited the Popes Legate and others that were sent in ambassage to the Prince what they should doe but added this threatning Scire autem volumus vestram Sanctitatem quòd si quid horum contemptum fuerit neque Sancta Synodus habebit rata neque vos Communionis sinet esse participes Wee giue your Holinesse to vnderstand that if any of these things which we haue appointed you be omitted by you neither will this holy Synode ratifie your actes nor receaue you to the Communion By which it is euident that the lawful and generall Councell of Ephesus thought they might and sayd they would not onely controle but euen excommunicate the Popes Vicegerent if hee did not that which was enioyned him by the Synode The fourth and last generall Councell which his Maiestie reuerenceth as Orthodoxe was the great Councel of Chalcedon consisting of 630. Bishops called by Martian the Emperour in the yeere 454. against Eutiches who in extreame opposition to Nestorius confounded the natures of Christ making of two distinct natures but one whereas Nestorius rent asunder his person making of one two This great Councell then gaue the Bishop of Constantinople equall priuiledges with the Bishop of Rome as may appeare in the fifteenth Acte of that Councell and when Paschasinus and Lucentius who represented the person of Leo then Bishop of Rome the next day desired of the noble men that sate there by the Emperours appointment as Iudges and Moderatours that the matter might be brought about againe and put to voices pretending that it was not orderly past the Councell that in the absence of the Popes Legates had made this Decree in their presence confirmed the same they contradicting and labouring as it had beene for their liues to withstand it And since his Maiestie and the Realme haue vndertaken the defence of these foure Councils it were to bee wished they might if not otherwise yet by publike authority bee faithfully translated by some chosen men of our owne out of their Originals and where diuerse readings offer themselues vpon comparing of the best printed Copies and Manuscripts the most likely might bee giuen the worke would not bee great and the benefit in my iudgement issuing from thence not small Now for such things as may in shew bee drawen out of these Councils to make against vs and for the Church of Rome I referre the reader to Bellarmines Apologie against his Maiesties Premonition where hee hath put together whatsoeuer either diligence could obserue or malice wrest so that whosoeuer shall now gleane after him shall gaine as little credite to himselfe as aduantage to his cause yet whatsoeuer he hath said or for his purpose pressed from thence is so fully and sufficiently answered by a reuerend learned Prelate of our owne as if our Doctor would haue dealt either as a Scholler or an honest man hee should first haue vndertaken the confutation of that answere before hee had againe pressed his Maiestie with the triall of those Councils From the first Generall Councils hee proceedes to the most ancient Fathers but what neede any farther question of single Fathers since wee haue heard them spâ—aking met together in Councill His Maiestie confines himselfe to the first 500. yeeres and to their Vnanime consent and that in matters of saluation and all this granted hee doth not alwayes promise a stedfast beleefe but an humble silence Now Bellarmine despairing belike to put the matter to the triall of their testimonies complaines that his Maiestie descends not lower and stoopes aswell to the later writers as Bonauentâ—re and Thomas and Anselme whereas our Controuersies are of that nature as they cannot bee receiued as sufficient witnesses in the deciding of them they fell vpon those times which the farther distant they were from the fountaine the more filth they gathered and as the winds are hot or cold dry or moyst according to the qualitie of the Regions through which they blowe and waters relish of the soile through which they run so did they of the ages in which they liued And for the most ancient Bellarmine himselfe commonly dazels the eyes of the world either with the bastardy of false or the corruptioÌ„ of true Fathers whom hee esteemes as they make more or lesse for his purpose none otherwise then merchants doe their casting counters sometimes in his valuation they stand for pounds sometimes for shillings sometimes for pence sometimes for nothing Ireneus and Iustin Martyr who succeeded Polycarpe and Ignatius the hearers and disciples of S. Iohn the Euangelist held that the deuils were not tormented nor to bee tormented before the generall day of Iudgement in which opinion they are seconded by Epiphanius and Oecumenius neither doe I see sayth Bellarmin how we may defend them from errour of Origen he sayes who liued about 200. yeeres after CHRIST that hee was seene to burne in Hell fire with Arrius and Nestorius of Tertullian who liued about the same time that he was an Arch-heretike of no credit Sozemen hee accuses of falsehood in his Apologie touching Paphnutius his proceeding about the marriage of Churchmen and the Fathers yeelding vnto him in the Nicen Councill touching the iurisdiction of Bishops Ieromes opinion saith he is false and in its proper place to bee refuted S. Augustine expounding those wordes as wee doe Thou art Peter and vpon this Rocke will I build my Church he charges with errour out of his ignorance in the Hebrew tongue Whereby we may perceiue what account themselues make of the ancient Fathers who call most hotly for a triall by them And in trueth if Mr. Doctour had well considered how Policarpe S. Iohns scholler as I sayd before withstood Anicetus Bishop of Rome about the obseruation of Easter and Polycrates Victor in the same businesse how vehemently Stephen was resisted by Cyprian Bishop of Carthage dying as a martyr and Canonized for a Saint to whom hee imputes errour and the maintenance of the cause of Heretikes against the Church of God the defence of things superfluous impertinent false naught contrary to themselues presumption frowardnesse peruersenesse blindnesse of heart inflexible obstinacie Lastly how Athanasius that renowned Patriarch of Alexandria that stout champion of IESVS CHRIST that pillar of the Church and hammer of Heretikes was persecuted for the Catholike faith Pope Liberius consenting and subscribing to the Synodal sentence whereby he was excluded from the Communion of the Church as witnesseth Binius in his
Kings Henry the VIII and Edward the VI. who by their Letters Patents haue warranted the same of which landes and possessions if the owners should now be dispossessed the King should be bound to repay vnto them all their money which would arise to such a huge masse that it would be a hard matter for the Crowne to restore it 3 The Nobles and Gentry of this realme most of whom haue sold and aliened their ancient inheritances to buy these new cannot liue according to their degrees if these possessions should be taken from them 4 The purchasers or owners of such lands and possessions in as much as they came to them by iust title according to the ordinance of the Kings of this kingdome haue held and doe still hold a good and iustifyable course in obteining them 5 The enioying of such landes and possessions is so common vnto euery State and condition of men Cities Colledges and Incorporations that if the same bee taken from them there will necessarily follow thereupon throughout the whole Kingdome a suddaine change and confusion of all Orders and Degrees 6 Seeing that the goods and possessions of the Church euen by the authority of the Cannons may bee aliened for the redemption of captiues and that the same may bee done by that Church onely to whom such possessions doe belong It is fit and reasonable that such dispensations should bee granted for continuing of possession already gotten for so great a good of publike concord and vnity of the Church and preseruation of this State as well in body as in soule Those possessions indeed in many places I speake specially of Tenths which by reason of Popish dispensations were first caried from the Church are as the flâ—sh which the Eagle stole from the Altar carying a coale of fire with it to the burning down and quite consuming of the nests of many of them that held them and in this respect Mr. Doctor may well say that the most part of them who now enioy them haue payed well for them in asmuch as the first owners were enforced or their posteritie within a generation or two to sell that which others purchased Now this curse of God I can impute to none other thing then to the alienation of Tenths from their proper vse to which they were and still should be ordained or at leastwise the bare and scant allowance which is made to the Minister of the greatest part of the fattest Impropriations so that commonly no Parishes are worse prouided for then those that pay most the redresse wherof if it should please God to put into his Maiesties heart and the assembly of the Estates in parliament it would bee a worke no doubt honourable in it selfe acceptable to CHRIST and beneficiall to his Church for which he would the rather blesse their other proceedings I speake not for the restoring of Impropriations though that were rather to be wished then hoped their value being little or nothing inferiour to the Benefices but the making of a coÌ„petent allowance out of them for the maintenance of a preaching Minister and I am sory to heare that some of them should be so backward in the former who most vrge the later the rather for that I would not haue it thought our Religion cannot stand but by the spoyle of the Church liuings though the Pope as it seemes by Mr. Doctor cares not who loseth so that himselfe may winne The vertue of the Sacraments expressed in holy Scripture wee preach not against but as for merit of workes and inuocation of Saints they were preached against and that in England long before the lands were taken from the Abbeys and though they are still preached against yet with vs are the Saints reuerenced with the honour due vnto them by our obseruation of the dayes consecrated to the memorials of their glorious and precious deaths And some Churches are built among vs as occasion serues and necessitie requires but more Hospitals Schooles almeshouses Colledges Libraries and the like charitable workes since the beginning of Queene Elizabeths reigne to this present time then in the space of any three score yeeres successiuely taken since the Conquest which I speake not to boast of the fruits of our Religion but to giue God the honour and as for the Hugonotes of France as you are pleased to terme them if they bee guilty of pulling downe Churches wee neither incourage them to it nor defend them in it as neither doe wee the Papists in their barbarous massacres but onely say of them as the parents of the blind man they are of sufficient age let them answere for themselues Lastly because you addresse your discourse in particular to the Nobles in this Section I craue leaue to put them in mind of a peece of a letter written by their predecessors to the Bishop of Rome during the reigâ—e of Henrie the III. I will recite it in the words of Matthew Parris translated The great ones sayth hee by writing to the Pope complained of the scandals bred out of the rapine and auarice of Rome and spread not onely in England but through the Christian world that themselues would not endure that their countrey from thencefoorth should bee so rudely handled no though the King himselfe should winke at it and vnlesse say they these matters bee speedily redressed by you let your Holinesse know for certaine that it may not vniustly bee feared that such a danger is likely thereby to ensue both to the Church of Rome and to our Lord the King that no remedie will easily bee found for it My hope then is that our Nobles being now farther enlightned by the beames of the Gospell and the cleare discouery of the trueth in the writings of learned men then their predecessours who liued in those times of darkenesse will like the Noble Theophilus to whom S. Luke dedicates his Gospell and The Actes of the Apostles and those noble Bereans who the more noble they were receiued the word with the greater readinesse hold fast the profession which they haue vowed themselues vnto by resisting the vsurpation and tyranny of that man of sinne and maintaining the libertie and freedome of their countrey In the first Parliament held by Queene Mary after her Comming to the Crowne the Nobilitie of England though they gaue way to the administration of the Sacraments and other doctrinall points as they were vsed and held in her Father Kings Henries time yet could they hardly be induced either by her importunitie whom it most concerned in regard of her birthright made good by the Popes dispensation or by the perswasions of Cardinall Poole her Cosin and by her made Archbishop of Canterbury who had beene for many yeeres maintained for the most part at the Popes charge to yeeld that the Queene should surrender her title of Supreme head of the Church of England or that the Pope should bee suffered to exercise his wonted iurisdiction within her dominions how much more then at
this time should they plucke vp their spirits to the abandoning of that vniust challenge hauing now a Soueraigne who in his writings last published to the world bearing the date of this yeere Consecrates his Scepter his Sword his pen his endeuours vnto God in a thankefull acknowledgment of the grace bestowed on him in freeing him from the error of this age and his kingdome from the Popes yoke which kept it in thraldome in which God is now sincerely serued and called vpon in a language vnder stood of all in which the people may read the Scriptures without any speciall priuiledge and with the same freedome as the people of Ephesus of Rome of Corinth reade the Epistles written by S. Paul in which they pay no more tribute by the Polle thereby to obtaine the remission of there sinnes as they did scarce one hundreth yeeres yet past neither are they inforced to seeke their pardons beyond the Seas and the mountaines God himselfe presenting them to my Subiects sayeth hee in there owne Countrey by the doctrine of the Gospel and if in this regard it bee that the Cardinall termes the Churches of my Kingdome miserable for mine owne part 1 esteeme our misery aboue his happinesse since then wee haue by Gods prouidence such a Soueraigne let that aspersion neuer be fastened vpon our Nobility which his Maiesty iustly casteth vpon the French that in as much as they gaue way to the acknowledging of their King to bee deposable by the Pope it were fit that withall they should diuest themselues of their titles and resigne them to the third estate who were the only men that could neither bee so drawen by promises nor affrighted by threats but that they euer helde them fast to the maintenance of their Kings honour and the surety of his person B. C. 40. But perhaps the Commons of England doe gaine so much by the Schisme as they cannot abide to heare of vnity Indeed when the Puritan Preacher hath called his flocke about him and described the Church of Rome to bee so ignorant so Idolatrous and so wicked as hee hath made himselfe beleeue shee is then is hee wont to Congratulate his poore deceiued audience that they by the meanes of such good men as himselfe is are deliuered from the darkenesse and Idolatry and wickednesse of Popery and there is no man dare say a word or once mutter to the contrary But the people haue heard these lyes so long as most of them beginne to bee wearie and the wisest of them cannot but wonder how these Puritan Preachers should become more learned and more honest then all the rest that liued in ancient times or that liue still in Catholike Countreys or then those in England whom these men are wont to Condemne for Papists Neuerthelesse I confesse there bee many honest men and women amongst them that being carried away with preiudice or pretext of Scriptures doe follow these Preachers more of zeale and deuotion to the Church as my selfe did vntill I knew it was but Counterfeite and these good people if they might be so happy as to heare Catholikes answere for themselues and tell them the trueth would bee the most deuout Catholikes of all other But the most of the people were neuer lead by Sermons if they were the Catholike Church is both able and willing to supply them farre better then the Schisme but it was an opinion of wealth and liberty made them breake at first and if they doe duely consider of it they are neuer the better for either of both but much the worse G. H. 40. From the Nobles you descend to the Commons entring your discourse with the like imaginary Sermon of a Puritan Preacher as before you brought vpon the Stage in the 16th Section of this Chapter you paint him forth describing the Ignorance Idolatry and Wickednâ—sse of the Church of Rome and surely if this make a Puritan Dante 's and Boccace and Petrarch and Mantuan must bee Puritan Poets too and Guicciardin a Puritan historian and Sauanorola a Puritan Preacher though all Italians and most of them well acquainted with the Court of Rome which is now come in a manner to be all one with the Church of Rome The Ignorance of the people is such that they adore it as the mother of deuotion contenting themselues to beleeue as the Church beleeueth Of their ordinary Priests that my selfe meeting some of them in the streets and inquiring the way in Latin they haue replied they vnderstood not my Dutch Of their Friars that they haue a Company termed the Fraternitie of Ignorance of their Bishops and Cardinals that in the Tridentine Councill scarce twenty of two hundreth durst aduenture to speake publiquely but serued only as cyphers to fill vp the roomes and make vp the number of voyces Nay of their Popes themselues that some haue passed their grants with Fiatur in stead of Fiat others haue excommunicated them who helde the Antipodes as Zacharie at the instance of Boniface Archbishop of Mentz did Vergilius the famous Mathematician And lastly some haue condemned them for heretikes who studied the more refined kind of learning or any way smelt of the vniuersitie as Platina reports it of Paulus Secundus in whose time he liued and with the description of his life ended his owne Touching their Idolatrie when I shall see Doctor Raynolds his booke De Idololatria Romana soundly and fully answered I will in my Iudgement free them from that imputation before then I must take leaue to suspend it Lastly concerning their wickednesse I maruell the Doctor would giue occasion to rubbe afresh vpon that sore which if I should throughly open would proue so noisome and vnsauory Now if this make a Püritan Preacher to informe his auditory of these corruptions in that Church and to thanke God for our deliuerance from them if not in whole yet by Gods grace in some good measure I confesse my selfe to be a Puritan Preacher and thinke no honest minded Minister in England wil refuse that title tendred vnder those conditions and if the people doe not acknowledge this inestimable blessing with hearty thankefulnesse to God for it it is to bee feared he will remoue their Candlesticke and in his iudgement suffer them to relapse againe into their former disease B. C. 41. For wealth the Puritan vnthrift that lookes for the ouerthrow of Bishops and Churches Cathedrall hopes to haue his share in them if they would fallonce and therefore hee cannot chuse but desire to increase the Schisme that he may gaine by it but the honest Protestant that can endure the State of England as it is could bee content it were as it was for hee should receiue more benefit by it euery way The poore Gentleman and Yeoman that are burthened with many children may remember that in Catholike times the Church would haue receiued and prouided for many of their sonnes and daughters so as
G. H. 44. And wee are on the other side as confident that in going to the Church of Rome and forsaking your owne in which you were bred and baptized besides the indangering of your own soule you haue done no good seruice to his Maiestie neither in respect of himselfe nor his children neither of his Lords nor Commons in perswading vnitie with the Church of Rome vnlesse first shee could bee perswaded to the imbracing of the same veritie in Religion with vs. There is onely the Clergie left which if Popery should goe on and preuaile as you desire it should shall not in the next age bee left to bee satisfied or to giue satisfaction but there is little reason that any man that loues the Clergie should desire to satisfie such Clergie-men as your selfe while you were among vs who vnder hand fauour Papists and maintaine such points of doctrine as if his Maiesties authoritie were not would out of hand ouerthrow the doctrine established and in stead thereof reestablish the Papacie B. C. 45. There neuer was is nor shall bee any wellsetled State in the world either Christian or heathen but the Clergie and Priesthood was is and must bee a principall part of the gouernment depending vpon none but him onely whom they suppose to bee their God but where Caluinisme preuaileth three or foure stipendary Ministers that must preach as it shall please Mr. Maior and his brethren may serue for a whole city and indeede if their opinions bee true it is but folly for any State to maintaine more For if God haue predestinated a certaine number to bee saued without any condition at all of their beeing in the visible Church by Faith or their perseuering therein by good workes If God hath reprobated the greatest part of the world without any respect at all of their infidelity heresie or wicked life if the faith of CHRIST be nothing else but the assured perswasion of a mans owne predestination to glory by him if the Sacraments of the Church bee nothing but signes and badges of that grace which a man hath before by the carnall couenant of his parents faith if Priesthood can doe nothing but preach the word as they call it which lay Lay-men must iudge of and may preach to if they will where occasion serues If the study and knowledge of antiquity vniuersality and consent be not necessary but euery man may expound Scripture as his owne spirit shall moue him If I say these and such like opinions be as true as they are among the Caluinists in the world common and in England too much fauoured and maintained there will certainely appeare no reason at all vnto your Parliament whensoeuer your Maiesty or your successours shall please to aske them why they should bee at so great a charge as they are to maintaine so needlesse a party as these opinions doe make the Clergie to be They can haue a great many more sermons a great deale better cheape and in the opinion of Caluinisme the Clergie doe no other seruice they that doe in England fauour and maintaine those opinions and suppresse and disgrace those that doe confute them they although themselues can be content to bee lordes and to goe in Rochets are indeed the greatest enemies of the Clergie and it were no great matter for the Clergie they might easily turne lay and liue as well as they do for the most part but it is a thing full of compassion and commiseration to see that by these false and wicked opinions the deuill the father of these and all other lies doth daily take possession of the soules of your Subiects both of Clergie and laitie These kind of Clergie men I confesse I doe not desire to satisfie any other way then as I haue alwayes done that is by the most friendly and plaine confutation of their errours to shew them the trueth as for other Clergie men that are conformable to the religion established by Law as well for their doctrine as for their discipline if they be good Schollers and temperate men as I know many of them are they cannot but in their iudgements approue the truth of Catholike religion and if it were not for feare of losse or disgrace to their wiues and children they would be as glad as my selfe that a more temperate course might be held and more liberty afforded to Catholikes and Catholike Religion in England These Clergie men I am and euer shall be desirous to satisfie not onely in respect of themselues but also in respect of their wiues and children whom I am so farre from condemning or misliking as that I doe account my selfe one of them and I desire nothing more in this world then in the toleration of Catholike religion to liue and die among them and therefore I haue had so great care in this point as before I did submit my selfe to the Catholike Church I receiued assurance from some of the greatest that if his Maiesty would admit the ancient subordination of the Church of Canterbury vnto that mother by whose authority all other Churches in England at the first were and still are subordinate vnto Canterbury and the first free vse of that Sacrament for which especially all the Churches in Christendome were first founded the Pope for his part would confirme the interest of all those that haue present possession in any Ecclesiasticall liuing in England and would also permit the free vse of the Common Prayer booke in English for Morning and Euening Prayer with very little or no alteration and for the contentment and security of your Maiesty he would giue you not onely any satisfaction but all the honor that with the vnity of the Church and the safetie of Catholike Religion may be required which seemed to me so reasonable as beeing before satisfied for the trueth of Catholike Religion I could aske no more so that I am verely perswaded that by yeelding to that trueth which I could not deny I haue neither neglected my duety and seruice to your Maiesty and your children nor my respect and honour to your Lords and Commons nor my loue and kindenesse to my honest friends and brethren of the Clergie but rather that my example and my prayers shall doe good vnto all G. H. 45. That the Clergie should be a Principall member of the body popolitike we graunt but that they should depend on none but him only whom they suppose to bee their god wee denie Indeed where the authority of the Bishop of Rome swayes looke how many Clergy men there are so many subiects are exempt from the Iurisdiction of the secular power and wholy depend vpon his Holinesse who is to them in regard of the vniuersalitie of his commaund and the infallibilitie of his iudgement in stead of their God but for vs Non habemus talem consuetudinem neque Ecclesia Dei we depend
in minde that it was ipsissima B. Augustini sententia the very selfe same doctrine which Saint Augustin teacheth The third point which you call Caluinisme is that faith is nothing else but the assured perswasion of a mans owne Predestination to glory by Christ which differs not much in words and in sense very little or not at all as I conceâ—ue from his Maiesties definition where hee calles it a sure pâ—rswasion and apprehension of the promises of God applying them to your soule and therefore may it iustly bee termed saith hee the Golden chaine that linketh the faithfull soule to CHRIST But I wonder what Mr. Doctor meant in saying that Caluin maketh it nothing else whereas the Church of Rome maketh it not by many degrees so much it beeing in their doctrine a naked and bare apprehension of and assent vnto supernaturall trueths in which the deuill himselfe may goe as farre as any nay doeth goe farther then many of them for in that sort hee both beleeues and trembles and by this faith impossible it is that wee should either quench the fiery darts of the wicked as S. Paul speakes or ouercome the world as S. Iohn Faith saith the authour to the Hebrewes is the ground of things which are hoped for and the euidence of things which are not seene now what is that grounded euidence but an assured perswasion and what are those things hoped for and not seene but chiefly the glory to which through CHRIST wee are predestinate so that you may as well put a nothing else vpon S. Pauls definition as vpon Caluins and yet is Caluins somewhat more then you make it in as much as thereby the fauour of God is not onely apprehended but sealed vnto the heart whereas your faith is of that nature as it neither hath any sound foundation to build vpon neither is a man certaine when he hath it neither if hee haue it how long hee shall keepe it neither if hee keepe it whether at last it will serue for his iustification in the sight of God So that a nothing else may rather be pind vpon the sleeue of that faith which the Church of Rome teaches then that which Caluin defines The fourth point which you call Caluinisme is that the Sacraments of the Church are nothing but signes and badges of that grace which a man hath before by the carnal couenant of his parents faith whereas Caluin in many places and expresse tearmes directly denies the Sacraments to be nothing else but bare signes they beeing in his doctrine not onely signes to represent that which they are ordained to signifie but seales to confirme that which they represent and withall pipes to conuey or instruments to present that to the soule of the worthy receiuer which they represent to the sence much lesse then doe either hee or wee make the Sacraments signes onely of that grace which the receiuer hath by couenant of his parents faith as Mr. Doctor would haue it for then would it follow that they should not at all bee Sacraments vnto them whose parents either are or died Infidels though themselues bee conuerted to Christian Religion and whereas hee calls that a carnall Couenant which God made with Abraham and his seed it argues a carnall minded man sauouâ—ing those things which are of the Flesh and not of the Spirit The fift point which Mr. Doctor calls Caluinisme is that Priesthood can doe nothing but preach the word as they call it which Lay-men must iudge of and may preach too if they will where occasion serues as if hee were ignorant that both by Caluin and by vs pâ—blike prayer in the name and for the good of the people is specially committed to the Priesthood and to it onely is the power of binding and loosing and of administring the Sacraments annexed whereas in their doctrine it is permitted not onely to Lay-men but to women in some cases But with vs you say Lay-men must iudge of that which is preached and may themselues preach too whereas the trueth is that wee allow them a iudgement of examination onely or triall which S. Paul allowed his auditors and S. Iohn his not of decision or determination which you seeme to implie and for their preaching both our and Caluins rule is that no man with vs taketh or should take this honour to himselfe but he which is called as was Aaron inwardly by the Spirit of God fitting him with gifts and a disposition thereunto and outwardly by the Constitutions and ordinances of the Church The sixth and last point which Mr. Doctor calls Caluinisme is that the studie and knowledge of antiquitie vniuersalitie and consent is not necessary but euery man may expound Scripture as his owne spirit shall mooue him where first I cannot but wonder that Mr. Dr who vrgeth neither antiquity vniuersality nor consent through his whole discourse should here at last cast stand so much vpon them yet I am perswaded it was rather to beare vs in hand that himselfe was deepely studied in them then that hee thought they could much aduantage his cause neither is the studie and knowledge of them so neglected by those whom Master Doctor if hee were liuing would call Caluinists that they feare euen by that triall to encounter the stoutest Champions of the Church of Rome For leauing Caluins frequent quotation of the ancient Councils and Fathers let the workes of Martyr of Bucer of Zanchius of Iunius of Sadeel of Chamier of the Noble Du Plessis and Dâ— Moulin testifie what account they make of the vniuersall consent and of Antiquitie And for our owne here at home he that shall looke into the writings of Bishop Iewel of Raynolds of Whitakers of Fulke of Humphreys of Perkins I spare to name the liuing nothing inferiour herein to the dead may easily finde if hee shut not his eyes against the light that they spared neither cost nor paines in this kinde To what â—â—â—pose hath Tossanus written his Synopsis Patrum and Scultetus his Medulla Patrum To what end did that noble and worthy Gentleman Sir Thomas Bodley with so much charge and traâ—ell found and furnish our Vniuersitie Library at Oxford and priuate Colledges by his example inlarge their owne or why should Sir Henry Sauill with so much expence and care set fâ—orth Chrysostomes workes in so exact and exquisite a maner iâ— wee made that slight reckoning of the studie and knowledge of Antiquitie as Mr. Doctor would make the world beleeue indeed wee cannot but acknowledge that to bee true which trueth it selfe hath deliuered onething is necessary and that many care and are cumbred about other things more then about this yet withall wee as freely confesse that many things are requisite some in one degree and some in another to the better compassing of that one which is onely and absolutely necessary in it selfe But eâ—ery man you say with vs may expound Scripture as his owne spirit shall mooue
read and search the Scriptures and yee erre not knowing the Scriptures and for traditions he names them not but to reiect them Secondly it is acknowledged by the greatest Clerks and chiefest pillars of the Church of Rome that the Euangelists in writing their Gospels and the Apostles their Epistles were none other but the pens of a ready Writer the Secretaries of their Lord and Master now that which the Secretarie writes according to the direction and inditing of his Lord more commonly is more iustly ought to be called the writing of the Lord then the Secretarie it is St. Augustines reason in the last Chapter of his first booke of the consent of the Euangelists Cum Euangelistae saith hee Apostoli scripserunt quae Deus ostendit dixit nequaquam dicendum est quod ipse non scripserit quicquid enim ille de suis factis dictis nos legere voluit hoc scribendum illis tanquam suis manibus imperauit In as much as the Euangelists and Apostles wrote that which God manifested and spake it cannot be said that himselfe wrote not for whatsoeuer his pleasure was wee should reade touching his workes and words that he gaue them in charge to write as it had beene with his owne fingers Thirdly it is reported by Eusebius lib. 1. cap. 13. that our Sauiour left in writing a letter to Abgarus King of Edessa the copie whereof he there setteth downe at large affirming the originall to haue bene kept among the publique Records of that Citie but for mine owne part I must needs say that if it bee not fained I can not conceiue why it should not be receiued as canonicall Fourthly and lastly it may very well bee that our Sauiour wrote nothing himselfe in as much as those things which were to bee written were testimonies concerning himselfe for though it be true in regard of his diuine authoritie which hee deliuers in the eight of St. Iohns Gospel Though I beare record of my selfe yet my Record is true Yet in regard of the apprehension of flesh and blood it is as true which he hath in the fifth of the same Gospel If I should beare witnesse of my selfe my witnesse were not true B. C. 2. That our Sauiour commanded not his Apostles to write his Religion but to teach it Ite praedicate G. H. 2. As if a man might not teach as well by his pen as his tongue by writing as speaking nay doctrine deliuered by writing as it is conueyed more purely and certainely without mixture arising from humane frailtie and corruption so it spreads farther and lasts longer and if it degenerate is more easily reformed It is worthy to bee marked which St. Luke hath in the Preface of his Gospel to that noble Theophilus Hee confesseth that he had beene instructed in the doctrine of Religion yet hee thought to write vnto him from point to point that hee might haue the certainety of those things so that though hee had indifferent good knowledge before yet writing the storie was the meanes to beget certainety so saith Dauid This shall bee written for the generation to come Neither to my remembrance doe I reade of any that forbad their followers to write but onely the Pythagoreans and the Druides Once wee are sure that it pleased Almighty God to countenance the writing of holy Scripture by his owne practice in as much as hee wrote the Decalogue once and againe in tables of stone And as he led the way himselfe so in expresse termes he commanded his seruants the Prophets to doe the like Moses and Esay and Ieremy and Ezekiel and Habacuk Before the Law was written what vniuersall apostasies there were from the true worship of God the floud is a sufficient testimonie and after it was lost though the Priesthood continued what generall swaruings there were both of Prince and people as well in maners as religion appeares 2. Chro. 34. What forbids vs then to thinke that our Sauiour in commanding his Apostles to teach all nations should not by vertue of that command as well giue them in charge to publish their doctrine by writing as to deliuer it by word of mouth Besides whiles wee reade in the first of the Reuel at the 11. verse that he who was dead and is aliue commands Iohn to write those things which he saw in a booke and againe at the 19. verse Write the things which thou hast seene and the things which are and the things which shall come hereafter And againe in the second and third Chapters in particular to the Angel of the Church of Ephesus write to the Angel of the Church of Smyrna write to the Angel of the Church of Pergamus write to the Angel of the Church of Thyatira write to the Angel of the Church of Sardis write to the Angel of the Church of Philadelphia write to the Angel of the Church of Laodicea write while I say we finde the charge of writing so often giuen to Iohn and that by him who was dead and is aliue I can neuer subscribe to the trueth of that Proposition that our Sauiour commanded none of his Apostles to write except I should denie S. Iohn to haue beene an Apostle or our Sauiour to be vnderstood by him who was dead and is aliue B. C. 3. That of the twelue Apostles seuen did leaue nothing at all in writing but taught their Successours the Religion of Christ by word of mouth G. H. 3. This Proposition supposeth the number of the Apostles to haue bene but twelue whereas Matthias made the thirteenth and Paul the fourteenth who proclaimes it in the front of the greatest part of his fourteene seuerall Epistles Paul an Apostle But it may be Mr. Doctor will not vouchsafe him that name because he wrote more then any of the Apostles Secondly in the fifteenth of the Actes wee reade that the Apostles met together in Councill wrote Letters the very tenour whereof there appeares neither can it be otherwise conceiued but that the whole number of them or at leastwise the greatest part was there assembled So that to say that seuen of them left nothing in writing is both derogatorie from the authoritie of Scripture and in it selfe vniustifiable Thirdly it may very wel be that seuen of them left nothing els but that Letter in writing not because they held it sufficient to teach only by word of mouth as Mr. Doctor would imply but because sixe of them had written which how needfull it was they should performe appeareth aswell by Saint Paul as Saint Iude. Fourthly and lastly though nothing of their writing bee come to our hands yet it is not certaine whether they left nothing in writing since it is probable that Saint Paul wrote another Epistle to the Corinth which is now no where extant B. C. 4. That Saint Marke Saint Luke and Saint Paul were not of Christs company whiles he was vpon the earth and therefore must needs learne
the New Testament they were ignorant what it was nay one of them was wont to sweare by the light that hee wondered yong men talked so much of the New Testament himselfe being fifty yeeres old before he vnderstood so much as what it meant and if such blinde guides leade the blinde what marueile if both fall into the ditch Now for beleeuing priuate men I would faine know how the common people in their Church come to know the exposition of the Church or the Church it selfe but by the information of priuate men And if any of ours preferre their owne iudgement before the current opinion which I suppose Mr. Doctor meanes by the exposition of the Church I haue shewed before vpon what ground they doe it and that therein they doe no more then those very Romish Diuines who complaine most of them B. C. 9. That all sorts of heretikes haue alwaies boasted of the Scriptures and despised the Church G. H. 9. Though the deuill falsly alleaged Scripture yet our SAVIOVR thought it no sufficient reason to forbeare the alleaging of it and though the Pharises pretended the authoritie of the Church yet hee imbraced not their corrupt glosses leauing vs an example in both to follow his steps Vpon these Propositions Mr. Doctour inferreth that the onely way to finde the true religion of CHRIST is to enquire which is the true Church of CHRIST now to knowe the Church saith he our Sauiour did found we must obserue that this word doth signifie diuerse things sometimes the House of Gods seruice sometimes the Congregation of all those that are Baptized and sometimes the Clergie or Spiritualtie and in this sence alone our Sauiour founded a Church when hee did call and send his Apostles and gaue them the same power which himselfe as man had receiued of his Father Then to know which is the true Church saith he we must inquire which is the Clergie that was founded by CHRIST and continueth in the Vnitie of the Church by perpetuall Succession from the Apostles and so from CHRIST himselfe And for certaine resolution thereof he referreth vs to three arguments as he calleth them infallible whereof the first is Thâ— report of Chronicles and Histories The second is The Vniuersalitie Antiquitie and consent of doctrine taught in the true Church and The varietie noueltie and repugnancie taught in Schisme And herein you may inquire saith hee of the most learned and most honest to informe you The thirde is The testimonie of Scriptures of the olde and new Testament For answere to this inference I would willingly learne where Mr. Doctour learned those acceptions of the Church once I am sure he taketh it otherwise then it is taken in holy Scripture and againe in holy Scriptures it is taken otherwise then he taketh it Neither are his two former meanes for the finding out of the Church more iustifiable then his acceptions of the Church whereof the first is the report of Chronicles but to grant that all Chronicles spake as the Pope would haue them yet were all this but humane testimony a sufficient inducement to moue but no sufficient ground for the conscience to build vpon For the proofe of his second reason he refers his reader to the information of the most learned and most honest But how if as learned and more honest informe him and that more truely to the contrary Here needes a farther inquirie which Mr. Doctor foreseeing at length sends vs to the Scripture as being forced with vs to confesse that the last resolution and onely infallible stay of the Christian soule in search both of the trueth it selfe and consequently of the true Church professing and publishing that truth must nâ—cessarily rest vpon that and nothing else ¶ A briefe Answere to the other collections annexed to the Doctors last Letter NOw for those other Collections which are added to his Letter as the Publisher makes a doubt whether they were made by him or no so I make no doubt if hee had liued hee would neuer haue suffered them to come to the light in such sort as now they are published Notwithstanding because they appeare in his name I held it not amisse to make some answere vnto them First then for the miserable ends of such as haue opposed the Catholike Church hee brings the example of Iudas and Caiphas and Annas and the three Herods and Pontius Pilate and Nero and Domitian and Pharaoh and Haman and Iezebel and Antiochus and Ieroboam and a number of like stuffe After he comes to Arch-heretikes translating word for word what Bellarmine thereof hath obserued in his 17. Chapter of the notes of the Church where hee makes the 14. note to bee Infaelix exitus seu finis eorum qui Ecclesiam oppugnant The vnhappy end of such as haue oppugned the Church the greatest part of which excepting those last which Maister Doctor is pleased to call the monsters of our age we condemne as farre foorth as the Doctor did or Bellarmin doth But for the fabulous narration of their ends wee may truely say that Bellarmine as vniustly voucheth the authoritie of Cochlaeus and Bolsecke as the Doctor suppresseth Bellarmines For what law humane or diuine ciuill or naturall admitteth a mans mortall and sworne enemie to bee witnesse against him Yet such was Cochlaeus vnto Luther and Zuinglius and Bolseck vnto Caluin who both as they deadly hated them for their religion as the Samaritanes did the Iewes so had Bolseck a particular grudge against Caluin for that hee opposed himselfe so vehemently against his wicked errours and seditious practices in Geneua as hee procured his banishment from thence which mooued him to seeke this base kinde of reuenge vpon him the rather being requested and solicited thereunto as hee saith himselfe by very many his Lords and friends as hoping by the defamation of Caluin to recouer his lost credit with them And as being their malicious enemies they would not report the trueth so not being present at their endes they could not haue certaine knowledge thereof at leastwise their testimonie cannot with any reasonable or indifferent mindes counterpoise the euidence of those worthy men who were eye-witnesses and present with them For Pluris est oculatus testis vnus quà m auriti decem One eye-witnesse is of more force then tenne eare-witnesses and it is great folly saith Bellarmine to beleeue the reports of them that were not present rather then of them that were present But let vs particularly and seuerally but briefly examine their slanders Luther saith the Doctor out of the Cardinall and the Cardinall himselfe out of Cochlaeus died suddenly for hauing supped very delicately and pleasantly being in perfect health and hauing delighted all his companie with merrie conceits the same night hee died But Tho. Bozius a Friar of the new Oratory order reporteth otherwise and that vpon the testimonie of one that then was Luthers seruant but since as hee saith became theirs in religion namely
man of their owne side reiects it as a meere â—able for hee reports that hauing for the space of full seauen yeeres fought with diuers diseases and griefes yet was he therefore neuer a whit lesse diligent in his function nor absteined from continuall writing and at length died of the disease called the difficulty of breathing Nay Genebrard though farre from the ingenuitie of Thuanus and one that raileth most impotently vpon Caluin yet durst not charge him herewith and was ashamed to defile his Chronicle with such an impudent lie Fr. Iunius saith that hee was at Geneua then wen Caluin dyed yet neither saw nor heard nor knew nor perceiued any such thing nor so much as euer dreamed of any such matter In a word he was visited in his sickenesse by sundrie excellent personages by the Syndicks of the Citie by the Ministers by others all which are witnesses of the sickenesse whereof hee dyed And Theod. Beza who faithfully wrote his life and death whereof as he saith hee had beene a spectator sixteene yeeres together testifieth that in him was proposed vnto all a most excellent patterne of Christian both life and death which saith he is as easie to calumniate as it is hard to imitate These things considered I referre mee now vnto the Readers indifferencie whether is more worthy of credite the whole Citie of Geneua and so many notable men present at his sicknesse and death and testifying of his peaceable holy and Christian departure or one Hieron Bolseck a Knight of the poste twice banished thrice a runagate who of a Carmelite became a Physitian or rather a Quacksaluer a sworne enemie to Caluin one that had beene from Geneua more then ten yeeres together and had sold his pen vnto his Lords and friends to defame Caluin And thus much in defence of those men whom the Dr. termeth the Monsters of our age Now although the vnhappy end of some particular men be no demonstratiue proofe and scarce a coniecturall signe of the falshood of that religion which they professe and that Church in which they make their last end yet that it may appeare in requital of the Dr. or rather the Cardinal how vnhappily some zealous persecutors of such as haue forsaken fellowship with the Church of Rome haue ended their liues I could referre the Reader to a large Discourse touching that point toward the end of the second part of the Acts and Monuments and also in Hassenmullerus in the conclusion of his booke Neither can the like iust exception bee taken against their euidences as against that of Bolseck and Cochlaeus But I will content my selfe with the testimonie of Thuanus a professed member of that Church which Mr. Doctor cals Catholike yet such a one as besides his great paines and diligence in the search of trueth had singular meanes for the finding of it out himselfe being now President in the Court Parliament of Paris where his father had bin Premier President before him This man then testifies first of the Cardinall of S. Andrewes in Scotland who condemned George Wiseheart vnto the fire that standing at a window sumptuously set forth with cushions and hangings of silke to behold his execution George being exhorted when the fire began to burne to be of good courage This flame indeed answered hee is painefull to my bodie but it doth no whit dismay my minde but hee that now from aloft lookes downe so proudly vpon me as arrogantly as now he sits so ignominiously within these fewe dayes shall hee lie along which soone after came to passe for being miserably slaine his dead body was in the open sight of all laide along in the same window from whence he had so ioyfully beheld the burning of Wiseheart And so the euent saith Thuanus verified his Prophecie Iohn Roman a Monke and cruell persecutor inuented a new kind of torment for the persecuted he would draw vpon their legs boots full of hote boiling grease and then setting spurres vpon their heeles iestingly would demand of them whether they were not sufficiently appointed for their iourney But vnderstanding that a summons was granted out against him by the Parliament of Aix to answere for his cruelties and that by the commandement of Francis the I hee fled vnto Auinion where thinking himselfe safe from men yet hee escaped not saith Thuanus the vengeance of God For he was spoiled by his owne seruants of all that he had and brought to extreme pouertie his body also was so full of loathsome vlcers that oftentimes he wisht for death which yet he could not obtaine but after a long time and horrible torments Oppeda another bloody persecutor being called to answer for his more then barbarous cruelties in the Parliament of Paris by the appointment of the said King Francis scaped indeed that danger by the commendation of the Guise and together with his Collegues was restored vnto his former dignity neuerthelesse soone after he was striken with horrible paines in his entrailes wherewith he was a long time tormented and at length in the mids of most cruell torments breathed forth his cruell soule God saith Thuanus inflicting on him that iust punishment which the iudges exacted not which though it were long in comming yet fell the more heauily when it came Albaspineus when Protestants were brought forth to execution aduised to stop their mouthes that they might not speake vnto the people Not long after falling deepely in loue with a certaine woman he fel withal out of his wits and being strikeÌ„ also with the lowzie disease he died in most grieuous torments his friends putting a bridle into his mouth to force him to receiue some sustenance which yet he frantikely refused hauing decreed to famish himselfe because of the vnsufferablenesse of his paines Ponsenatius another butcher being fallen into great debt hauing riotously wasted both his owne patrimony and his wiues dowry vpon conscience of his wicked life fell likewise mad whereupon despairing of his saluation being chained vp by his friends with lamentable shrikings and rending of himselfe hee finished his life in extreme pouerty Finally Cardinall Crescentius the Popes Agent in the Council of Trent hauing spent much of the night in writing letters to the Pope and at length rising from his chaire he seemed to see a dog which with huge iawes firie eyes and eares hanging downe to the ground furiously came towards him and by and by couched vnder the table then calling his seruants and light being brought when hee saw the dog no where appeare he was astonished at it and thereupon fell into many sad cogitations and so into sicknesse which he no sooner felt but presently hee despaired of life although his Physicians and friends gaue him good hope of recouery At last being caried from thence to Verona and euen at deaths dore he would often call vpon them that attended him to take heed of the dog and to keepe him from comming vpon his
more often Recognized it in his prayer before his Sermons 4 Pag. 220. Where among such famous Doctors as were conuerted lately to the Romish Religion hee reckons Dr. Bull for one 5 See the late B. of Lincolnes answere to a namelesse Catholike p. 115. 6 May 21. 1610 7 His Maiesty there speakes of the French King Henry the IV. 8 Nâ—sâ— itaque idexpâ—ctâ—â—ur a serenâ—ssimo Regâ— vâ— palam â—or am vniueâ— so mundo profiteatur sâ—metâ—â— ad sidem cogâ— non vâ—deo quo modo aâ—imus Regius in tâ—m iusta 17a tanto perâ—â—â—lo suo suorum pâ—ssit ad corum parâ—es propius aâ—â—edere 9 See the relation of the state of religion in these Westerne parts which it were much to be wished the Author himselfe would perfect and publish 10 Brittaâ—nom 〈◊〉 pag. 324. 1 I can shew it in the Authors owne Letters that he had a purpose of publishing it 2 He hath now gotten more name and fame by running away from vs then by any acte that euer hee did among vs. 3 The Credite he had in Court was won by his hypocrisie 4 He was like enough to aspire to higher preferment but while he remained like himselfe not like to attaine it 5 What intiâ—ing baits could these be vnto him who by his own acknowledgement felt the state of his body such that hee could not long enioy them 6 The wauering was in his braine not in their opinions 7 Hee professeth indeed that hee found a large opposition betweene the new French as he calleth it and the old English but betweene the English and the Râ—mish none at all or â—o small as it might easily be reconciled Chap. 2. Sâ—ct 29. 8 Or rather a counterfeit light from him who is transformed into an Angel of Light 9 His owne relation shewes how slowly he proceeded in this businesse as being in hope of higher preferment and yet in despaire of longer life 10 Catholike Roman I take to be as much as Kent and Christâ—ndome 11 Had Mr. Dr. done so he had rested where he was Cap. 2. Sâ—â—t 36. 1 You might haue named Scripture as well as art but it seemes you purposely forbore it lest you shou'd seeme a Caluinist 2 In your 2. chap. 21. Sect. you affirme the doctrine of the Church of Eng. to be that which is conteined in the coÌ„mon prayer booke and Church Catechisme very nere agreeing with or at least not contradicting the Church of Rome 3 Had you brought any proofe from the Scriptures ancient Fathers for the trueth of that Religion which you call Cathol you would haue thereby giuen vs some reaâ—on to thinke â—ou had indeed studied them 4 Your reconcâ—liation of religâ—oÌ„ was nothing else but a renouncing of the truth 5 It is maruell you had not imparted knowledge by writing 6 Your place compelled you not to preach points of Râ—mish doctrine 7 Catholike Religion is not hated in England but the religion of pretended Catholikes is iustly restrained 8 You might as fully and â—reely haue enioyed the preâ—ence of our blessed Sauiour in the vnitâ—e of the English Church as the Râ—mish 9 How can there be a dayly oblation of that which himselfe offered once for all Heb. 7. 27. 9. 28. and 10. 10 10 When his Maiâ—sties reasons are answered why he should not bee already esteemed in the vnitie of the Catholike Church prayer for his admission into it will bee admitted 11 Your dueâ—ie would better haue appeared in writing somewhat in defence of his Maiesties writings 12 Your auowed presence at the dayly oblation as you call it was a sufficient declaration of your reuolt 13 How sufficiently either of these two bee shewed I leaue it to the indifferent Reader to iudge 14 I wonder that any hauing affiance in his Holinessâ— pardons should desire his Maâ—esties 15 Hee is indeed likely to bee a faithfull seruant to his Maiestie who flies to the tents and pleads the cause of his sworne enemies 1. Pâ—t 3. 4. 1 It was such a schisme as the Apostle practised when certaine were hardened disobeyed speaking euill of the way of God he departed from them and separated the discsples Acts 19. 9. and gâ—ue the like commandement to others if any teach otherwise and consenteth not to the wholsome words of the Lord Iesus and from such separate thy selfe 1. Tim. 6. 3 4 5. 2 This ambition of yours was it which being some what crossed or not fully satisfied caused your apostâ—sie as it did Arrius his heresie 3 Yet himselfe afterward iustifies it chap. 2. sâ—ct 21. 4 Doe men gather grapes of thornes or figs of thistles and can either duety or loue be expected from such subiects and friends better is the hâ—tred of an open enemy then the loue of such a friend 5 Ab ouo vsquâ— ad maluâ—â— He repeats the same phrase in diuers other places * Colâ—ss 2. 23. * Esai 1. 12. 6 Great zeale and neutralitie in Religion seldome stand together as neither doe gâ—eat zeâ—le and vehement ambition 7 We grant as much tâ—at the gates of hell shall neuer vtterly prâ—uaile against it Non bene câ—n 〈…〉 vna sede morantur ambitio zelus * Iames 3. 16. * Rom. 10. 2 * Lâ—ke 16. 8. * 2. Thes. 2. 7. * Matth. 10. 1â— 1 He indeede deliueredit to his Apostles and disciples to continue but sure wee are it continued not by that succession and in that Church which you call visible and perpetuall or at least not as he deliuered it the enuiâ—us man came in the night and sowed tares amongst it * Matth. 19. 8. 2 Obserue here the great zeale of this man which himselfe boasteth of in the 2. Sâ—ction going before * Matth. 13. 5. 25 1 It is to be noted that some of thesâ— Vniuersities professe in their published instruments that they tooke an oath to deliuer and to study vpon the foresaid questions as should be to the pleasure of God and according to conscience the copie whereof is to be seene in our English Chronicles 2 After the determinations of these Vniuersites were read in open Parliament there were shewen aboue a 100. bookes drawen by Doctours of strange regions which all agreed the Kings marâ—age to be vnlawfull 1 How learnedly you vnderstood the state of the question betwixt vs appeares afterward in setting downe the opinion of the Church of Rome touching Images 2 No mention at all of reading the Scriptures that was too base a worke for so great a Clerke 1 How comes it to passe then that the profouÌ„d Doctors for prooâ—e of many doctrines of that Church forsake the Scriptures flie to traditions 2 As if in your learning the Gospel were not Scripture 3 Belike then we in these colde Northerne Climats haue no Christian soules 4 When those Preachers shal be named and their current opinions specified and the passages quoted by which they are conâ—uted I doubt not but the vnanswerable
consequents will finde a sufficient answere in the meane time you must giue vs leaue to suspect that Doluâ— latet in vniuersalibus falshood insists vpon generals 5 Wee haue good reason to thinke you were not so much grieued for crossing those great preachers you speake of as that thereby your prefeâ—ment was crossed 1 Such a profound demonsration is that of Bellarmine out of Petrus Damianus to shew the reason why in the Popes old Seales S. Paul was on the right hand of S. Peter because forsooth Paul was of the tribe of Beniamin and Beniamin signifies the sonne of the right hand and for this he quotes Gen. 35. and 42. * Matth. 26. 27. * Iohn 18. 36. 1 It seemes then your Puritane for you tell vs before those preachers were such may be a very honest man yet afterwards you tell vs their principles are such as ouerthrow all honesty 2 As loth as you were to oppose them in publike yet you did as farre as you durst as your selfe afterwards confesse 3 The faith in which you were baptized is the â—ame which now is professed in the Church of England and that I am sure no man expected you should oppugne * Luke 16. 26. 1 I had thought before that a Puritane and a Caluenist a creature of Schisme in your language had bene all one 2 If Dauid himselfe bee a Schismatike as you make him how were the creatures of Schisme to strong for him 3 Those whom you call temperate men we may suspect to bee neutrals made of lincie whoolsie neither hote nor cold but halting betweene two opinions 1. Kings 18. 21. 4 That which you call honest preaching of the Trueth wee take to be the neerest approching that may be to Româ— gates 5 Herein you failed not in that at last you vnmasked your owne hypocriosie * 2. King 9. â— â—â— * Ierem. 51. 9. 1 You might more properly haue applied fiery to your desperate Cath. for such was their practise 2 There needed no great violence to aggrauate the haynousnesse of that plot 3 How comes it then to passe that notwithstanding all this in the next chap. you so earnestly labour the conuersion of his Maiestie and the whole Realme Ex oreâ—tuâ— condemnaberis serue nequam Luke 1â— 22. 1 What needed any great wit or learning for the iustification of that doctrine which by your owne confession holds no point expresly contrary to antiquity 1 To allow the people images for religious vse and then to admonish them that they take heed of idolatry is as if a man should put an hungry horse into a goodly pasture and then command him not to eate or a child vpon the top of a lâ—dder and then bid him take heed of a fall 2 Why do they couer them in Lent then 3 We should indeed haue our conuersation amongst the Saints in heauen but not amongst their images on earth M. Hooker in his 5. booke of Ecclesiastical policie Sect. 65. 1 I tolde you before you were prepossessed with preiudice which made you obiect so weakely 2 Had it taken effect they would haue abhorred it as Sixtus did the Friars murthering of Henry the III. of France in the Consistorie of Cardinals where he compares it to the worke of our Redemption 3 A likely matter that his Maiestie should make complaint in a iudicial proceeding to him in whom he professeth that he acknowledgeth no right of proceeding iudicially in the censure of his owne Subiects 4 All those Writers whom you call Catholikes doe so condemne it as they seeme rather to thinke it vnfortunate in the successe then mischieuous in the plot 5 What authoritie this is will appeare in Pius his Bull whose words are these And him alone hath hee made chiefe ouer all nations and kingdomes who may alone root out destroy scatter waste plant and build that the faithfull people knit together with the band of mutuall charitie might be kept in the vnitie of the Spirit 1 How could your hope bee such since your resolution was to the contrary as appeares by your own words in diuers passages before 2 Your selfe within a fewe lines after acknowledge you found many 3 So that it seemes by your owne confession the greatest corruptions are to be found in the Church of Rome seeing by Gods wheate field in your vnderstanding can bee meant none other but that Church in which in your opinion grace most aboundeth 4 Belike then you saw some broad difference in the circumstance 5 You made sure worke for that by carrying ouer store of monies with you by obtaining pensions from the Pope the Q. Mother of France and Cardinall Peâ—â—on * Gal. 2. 21. * Col. 2. 20 21 22 * 1. Pet. 1. 19. 1 It may bee those afflictions serued to free you from Purgatorie as you presume in the conclusion of your letter otherwise I see not why you should afflict your selfe for chusing the only supposed meanes of your saluation 2 You disputed with such learned men as you could meet with and yet auoided the companie of Catholiks you promise his Maiesty to remember him at the dayly oblation and yet you abstained from their Churches 3 That which you call peace is a betraying of 〈◊〉 the trueth and 〈◊〉 that which you call a reconciliation is a rent froÌ„ forreine reformed Churches 4 I marueile who gaue you authoritie to bring M. Casaubon ouer from France 5 Hauing receiued this answere What moued you to be so saucie and importunate to mooue his Maiestie the second time to entertaine Societie with that Church 6 Though you loued that Romish religion well you loued your life better 1 In what sense Rome may bee termed the mother â—hurch see in mine answere to the 45. Section 2 His Maiestie termeth him the Patriarch but not the Primate of the West 3 Where was your great zeale then to sweare against your conscience for fashion but did you not take it again when you came to yeres of discretion at the taking of your degrees at your institution in your Benefices at your admittance to your Prebendry and Chaplenship and oft recognize the truth of the summe of the said oth in your prayer before euery sermon you made How then comes it now to passe that you would not take it again to gaine the greatest preâ—ermeÌ„t in yâ— world but that you were out of hope to get any or by your owne confession long to enioy it 4 The Bishops in K. Hen. the 8. time thought themselues as good Christians as your selfe yet they tooke it or at least made a shew of taking it with a good conscience besides you call thâ— consciences or the Christianity of your honest brethren of the Clergy into question who haue taken the same oath it may be more then once and yet being good Schollers as you pretend they could not be ignorant what offence they incurred in taking it 1 Master Dâ—â—lington in his inference vpoÌ„ Guicciardines Degression
treason had been a most honourable and meritorious acte 2 It was the deuil indeed that wrought it it being beyond all humane inuention yet you canot denie though you are vnwilling to grant it that hee vsed none but pretended Catholikes for his instruments in that businesse 3 The latter we easily beleeue but leaue you to proue the former 4 It may be by God you vnderstand him who exalts himselfe aboue all that is called God and by lawfull obedience as much and as farre as he shall thinke fit 5 Whether our religion or yours bind subiects more to the performance of their duty let my answere to your 12. section make proofe 6 Indeed the fresh examples of the death of the 2. last Henr. of France and the infinite trâ—â—â—sons against Q. Elizabeth and our present Soueraigne cannot be but odious to all good Christians 7 Perpetuity of kingdomes is onely from God but yet may his Maiesty more iustly expect perpetuity froÌ„ his subiects who acknowledge none other Soueraigne then those Princes from theirs who acknowledge them deposeable by a forreine power 8 Their religion being grounded onely vpon the liuely oracles of God cannot but tye them more effectually to it selfe then your humane traditions 9 We assume no liberty of expounding articles of faith at our pleasure as his Maiesty hath declared it in his booke against Vorst but a freedome by Christ from the rigour of the Law from the guilt and punishment of sinne and from obseruing humane traditions as religiously as diuine ordinances 1 Garnet by Eudaemon 2 Greenwell and Gerrard 1 It was the speech of Christopherus Thuaâ—â—â—s reported by Iacobus Aug. his sonne * Eccles. 49. 1. 1 You seeme to meane the ancient Romanes who made more conscience of an Oath in which particular act of Religion you afterward insist then the Romish Catholikes at this day * Ebr. 6. 16. * Iere. 4. 2. * Gen. 21. * Gen. 31. 1 Is not this Romish opinion which holds it sufficient to beleeue as yâ— Church beleeues so that they liue morally well but for our selues we haue had experience yâ— where our religion most preuaileth and men are brought to the knowledge of the trueth there barbarisme inciuility are the more banished 2 The words of the Poet are nemo repente fuit turpissimus 3 In stead of the arseâ—all you should haue said the Capitole Seâ—â—c frag * 1. Cor. 13. 12. 1 By this it appeares you intended the publishing of your letter at the writing of it 2 M. Doctour himselfe in the 8. Section of his 1. Chapter confesseth that hee knoweth diuers very honest men of these Preachers 3 Hauing made them before the Seeds-men of Sedition and Authours of all errour in doctrine and corruption in manners it is then good time of day to tell vs you will not accuse them 4 Sir Francis Bacon is more beholding to you for quoting his Essayes then S. Matth for alledging his Gospel or S. Paul for his Epistles but I am sure he is too noble a Gentleman to hold it any commendation to be quoted or commended by such as your selfe 5 If they vtterly faile in the Precepts of the first Table they may well be called Heretikes rather then Schismatikes 6 Since the first reformation aboue a generation hath passed and yet by your owne acknowledgement there remaine diuers very honest men euen among those whome you labour most to disgrace 7 In your construction a Puritan and a Caluinist are reciprocall and you make all the reformed Netherlanders the Heluetians the French and the greatest part of the English to be Caluinists so that the greatest part of all their sonnes must proue Papists or Atheists or else your obseruation failes 8 Reformers you tell â—s before commonly degenerate in the next generation and here you shew vs how by turning Papists or Atheists as if Papiâ—me and Atheisme were so neere of kinne or â—o resembling in condition that the one might easily be mistaken for the other or thâ— one prepared away to the other * 1. Cor. 14. 1 The same conceit hath Charron in his booke de trois vâ—râ—te lib. 3. c. 12. 2 I haue since found words to that purpose in his Meditationâ—s sacrae but not as M. Doctor quoteth them 1 You tell vs before of sure rules in policie and mutinous Souldiers and here you shewe your skill in Cowhâ—rdship that wee may know you are aliquid in quolibet though nihil in toto 2 Notwithstanding those charmes your Romish Catholiks cannot be kept within their bounds charme the charmer neuer so wisely 3 Mutato nomine de tuis â—abula narratur 1 D. Hall in his Roma irreconciliâ—â—ilâ—â— 1 If others might be good Subiects your selfe could not be so in as much as in the last Sect. of the 1. cha you confesse that liuing in England you could not choose but bee guilty of the breach of many of our Statutes Lib. 5 de Iustiâ— cap. 7. 1 Of this ranke was M. Doctour as appeareth in the 19. Sect. of his first Chap. where he promiseth to iustifie all the present doctrine of the Church of Rome from point to point 1 Here your rules of policy failed you in as much as violence of affection is rather by time to be qualified then withstood by force 2 Who they are that blow the coales for the burning of others and warming of themselues if I were silent the stones of the ParliameÌ„t house would speake 3 You might haue done well to haue perswaded the Pope or the King of Spaine to haue held such a conference in their dominions 4 How simply and euidently your Postillers and Friers vse to deliuer the trueth in their Sermons we are not ignorant but whom you should mean by your honest men but your selfe and your companions we know not 5 Who they are that dazell mens eyes and robbe their purses your glorious outside in Gods worship and your infinite trickes to get money sufficiently testifie 6 How reconciliable the differences betweene vs are I haue declared in mine answere to the 18. Sect. of this chap. 1 Lib. 4. de mili Eccles. cap. 5. 2 De salute Indorum lib. 2. c. 18. 3 Lib. 4. epist. 1. 4 Lib. 5. epist. 30. See Lipsius in the conclusion of his booke de Mag. Rom. * 1. Tim. 6. 20. * Psal. 119. 105. * 2 Pet. 1. 19. * Luke 1. 79. * Iohn 1. 9. * Rom. 1. 18. 1 A most notorious vntruth if by Caluinismâ— you vnderstand Caluins doctrine 2 How Caluins doctrine ouerthrowes al these or any of these let his bookes testifie 3 Will the Turke beleeue Christ to haue beene the Sonne of God by eternall generation or to haue beene conceiued by the holy Ghost or to haue risen from the graue by his owne power the third day after his buriall or visibly to haue ascended into heauen or that from thence hee shall returne againe to iudge the quicke and the dead