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A33523 A just vindication of the covenant and church-estate of children of church-members as also of their right unto bastisme : wherein such things as have been brought by divers to the contrary, especially by Ioh. Spilsbury, A.R. Ch. Blackwood, and H. Den are revised and answered : hereunto is annexed a refutation of a certain pamphlet styled The plain and wel-grounded treatise touching baptism / by Thomas Cobbet. Cobbet, Thomas, 1608-1685. 1648 (1648) Wing C4778; ESTC R25309 266,318 321

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that_o assembly_n for_o that_o end_n and_o the_o main_a duty_n vers_fw-la 13_o 14_o be_v lay_v forth_o as_o require_v of_o they_o all_o which_o be_v call_v to_o this_o solemn_a fast_n scil_n not_o mere_o to_o abstain_v from_o food_n or_o to_o express_v sorrow_n by_o rend_v their_o garment_n but_o to_o rend_v their_o heart_n by_o godly_a compunction_n and_o sorrow_n etc._n etc._n all_o will_v yield_v that_o such_o thing_n be_v not_o proper_o applyable_a to_o suckling_n but_o to_o some_o of_o the_o assembly_n nor_o yet_o will_v any_o in_o reason_n exclude_v infant_n from_o be_v of_o that_o church_n assembly_n for_o such_o church_n use_v according_a as_o they_o be_v capable_a of_o any_o thing_n mention_v albeit_o not_o capable_a of_o all_o mention_v jer._n 43._o 4._o 6_o 7_o disobedience_n to_o god_n voice_n be_v apply_v to_o all_o the_o people_n yet_o not_o proper_o verify_v in_o all_o the_o child_n which_o be_v of_o that_o people_n and_o company_n deut._n 29._o 1._o all_o israel_n be_v 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