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A15418 Limbo-mastix: that is, A canuise of Limbus Patrum shewing by euident places of Scripture, inuincible reasons, and pregnant testimonies of some ancient writers, that Christ descended not in soule to Hell, to deliuer the Fathers from thence. Containing also a briefe replie to so much of a pamphlet lately published, intituled, An answere to certaine obiections against the descension &c. as lookes that way, and is personally directed against some writers of our Church. Willet, Andrew, 1562-1621. 1604 (1604) STC 25692; ESTC S120030 49,797 70

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together in presence that if we be ignorant of any thing where is neither witnesse nor iudge it may die in a faithfull eare Fourthly Christian policie would haue required that seeing we all hold the foundation The article of Christs descension we should not raise any contention or mooue questions about the manner nor breake the peace of the Church seeing there are most reuerend learned men of both opinions But the Apostles resolution should stay vs Let vs as many as be perfect be thus minded and if yee be otherwise minded God shall reueale it vnto you Philip. 2. 15. They which hold not the locall descent of Christs soule to hell should not condemne the other as Popish or superstitious men that are so perswaded They which affirme it ought not account them as enemies or aduersaries of the truth that dissent from them therein they both holding the foundation What intemperate dealing then is this for the Answerer in his Preface so vncharitablie to charge his brethren irreligiously and vnchristianly to call the maine grounds and principles of our faith into question saying further to plant by writing or water by speaking the cursed roots therof to prepare a way to heathenish Paganisme terming them further prophane Anaxagorists Masters of error aduersaries of the truth This is an hard course thus to censure men of the same profession because they concurre not with him in the interpretation of some places of Scripture With how much greater moderation did the Reuerend Fathers of this Church set down this article of Christs descension in their Synode held anno 1562. that whereas the article was thus framed before in the Synode held anno 1552 in King Edwards raigne As Christ died for vs and was buried so it is to be beleeued that he descended into hell for his bodie lay in the graue vntill the Resurrection his spirit being sent forth from him was with the spirits which were detained in prison or in hell and preached vnto them as testifieth that place of Peter The Reuerend Fathers qualified it thus As Christ died for vs and was buried so also it is to be beleeued that he wēt down to hel Thinking it sufficiēt that we agreed in the substance of the article of Christs descension though all consented not in the manner And I could wish that wee might there hold vs and that men content themselues with their priuate opinions and seeke not one to grieue another with their mutuall inuectiues either in speaking or writing Augustine saith well to Hierome I am not so vnwise to think my selfe hurt by your explanations because neither are you preiudiced if wee hold or expound otherwise As for my part I will not deale of purpose with this question as it is controuersed among our selues nor reuiue any domesticall strife but onely iustifie those places which are vrged by some of our writers against the Popish opinion of Christs descending to Limbus Patrum and are now by the Answerer either by name or by way of consequence excepted against Neither will I take vpon mee to defend others whom hee personally toucheth they are sufficient to speake for themselues And I wish that from hencefoorth these home-bred quarrels may cease and that one bond of faith in the diuersitie of some priuate opinions may containe and keepe vs in peace that same vnum fidei lintheum quod vidit Petrus quatuor Euangelijs alligatum That sheet of faith which Peter saw tied with the foure Gospels in the corners as Origen applieth it Hom. 2. in Genes Now I come to the particular examination of the places CHRIST DESCENDED NOT in soule to Hell to deliuer the soules of the Patriarkes The first place examined Act. 2. 27. Thou wilt not leaue my soule in Hell nor suffer thy holie one to see corruption The obiections answered 1. Ob. FIrst where as our answere is that the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 nephesh which the Septuagint translate 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 here signifieth not the soule but rather the life which is an effect of the soule and the other word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 sheol translated by the Septuagint 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 betokeneth in this place the graue rather than hell first Bellarm. saith that these words properly do not signifie any thing but the soule and hell and further it is added by the Answerer that the words of holy writ are alwaies to be taken and vnderstood according to their natiue and proper signification but only when there followeth some manifest absurditie Ans. p. 6. Ans. First these words as they doe properly sometimes signifie the soule and hell so also properly they doe betoken the life and the graue First nephesh is so taken for the life Genes 37. 22. Let vs not smite his life shed not bloud the word is naphesh which the Septuagint translate 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Bellarmine saith it signifieth here the flesh and yet a little before not well remembring himselfe hee findeth great fault with Beza for translating of it cadauer a dead bodie Againe Exod. 22. 23. If death followe hee shall giue soule for soule that is life for life where the same words both in the Hebrue and Greeke are vsed in their proper sense and must needes signifie life But the Answerer here doth ease vs of further labour and ingenuously confesseth that the soule is taken for life in diuers places of the Psalmes because it is the spring of life pag. 7. So like wise the other word sheol is sometime properly taken for the graue as Gen. 37. 35. I will descend mourning to my sonne into the graue or hell Bellarmine saith the graue cannot be here vnderstood and yet their owne marginall note saith it doth not here signifie the place of punishment And hee might haue compared another place Gen. 42. 38. Ye shall bring my gray head with sorrow to the graue or hell and 2. King 2. 6. Let not his hoare head go down to the graue or hell in peace I thinke the gray haires lie with the bodie in the graue they goe not to hell The Answerer foreseeing this confesseth that the word is here to be translated graue and not hell and in another place Psal. 6. 4 5. pag. 10. Then it appeareth by his owne confession that the word properly doth signifie the graue And indeede if wee consider the roote from whence sheol is deriued which signifieth to craue or desire this word will more properly agree to the graue than to hell for that is more crauing and vnsatiable because more goe to the graue both good and bad than to hell the place appointed for the wicked onely and therefore the Wise man nameth sheol the graue as Arias and Tremellius well translate to bee one of those foure things that cannot be satisfied Prou. 30. 16. 2. But if it were admitted that these words properly could not be so taken here for the life and the graue as yet is