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A44848 Truth cleared, and the deceit made manifest or, An answer to a printed paper wherein are certaine untruths and false aspersions, cast upon a people, called Quakers, by some members of the church of Wrexham in Wales. With some questions answered: with other false accusations cast upon us, by one whose name is subscribed in print, Mr. Vavasor Powel, who is one of the chief priests of Wales, being in the generation of the scribes and pharisees. Let him that reads understand and he shall see it so. And likewise an answer to other slanders and false reports upon the same people, whom reproachfully they call Quakers, but we rather chuse to suffer reproaches, slanders, and false reports with the people of God, then to deny the power of God made manifest in us. By his servant who seeks the freedoms of Israels children, after the spirit, whom the world calls. Rich. Hubberthorn. Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662.; Lawson, John, of Lancaster. 1654 (1654) Wing H3241; ESTC R215980 10,544 22

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TRUTH CLEARED AND THE DECEIT MADE MANIFEST OR An Answer to a Printed Paper wherein are certaine Untruths and false Aspersions cast upon a People called QUAKERS by some Members of the Church of WREXHAM in WALES With some QUESTIONS answered with other False Accusations cast upon us by one whose name is subscribed in Print Mr. VAVASOR POWEL who is one of the chief Priests in WALES being in the Generation of the Scribes and Pharisees Let him that reads understand and be shall see it so And likewise an ANSWER to other slanders and false Reports upon the same people whom reproachfully they call Quakers but we rather chuse to suffer reproaches slanders and false reports with the people of God then to deny the power of God made manifest in us By his Servant who seeks the Freedome of Israels children after the spirit whom the world calls RICH. HUBBERTHORN ALSO An Answer to the false aspersions cast upon the truth by William Spencer a Member of the abovesaid Church of WREXHAM By John Lawson a Prisoner in bonds at West-Chester for the Testimony of the truth LONDON Printed in the year 1654. TRUTH CLEARED And the DECEIT made manifest HAving received a Narration in print in a Book called Several proceedings of the Parliament which is full of lies and slanders upon a people whom the world calls Quakers but that name we own else we should deny the holy men of God as Moses David Job Hab Daniel Paul and the rest and lest any weak minds should stumble at the truth and believe lies here they are answered 1 You say those Quakers would rent and divide the blessed Church of Wrexham Rep. Silence flesh what a Church is that which can be rent And what blessing is to you Here you have divided it from the Church of God which is the ground and pillar of truth that is blessed but yours is cursed which is full of lyes as hereafter I shall make it appear from your own words 1 You say their main designe and practises appear to the opposing of all Ministers and publick Ministry Rep. I charge you to be liars who gave forth this paper as to say we oppose all Ministers and publick Ministery for the Ministers that are made by the will of God we owne and here I charge you to be lyars who publish forth these lyes in this paper and set your hands to it 2 You say by breaking and dividing of Congregations in censuring of all Saints Rep. The Saints of the most high God wee censure not the Congregation of Saints we owne and doe not divide there you are lyars but the Congregation of the world wee doe deny and they must be broken and the Saints of God wee owne but hypocrites wee doe deny for Saints cannot own hypopocrits nor hypocrits owne Saints but here you shew your selves both to be lyars and hypocrits In the presence of God I speak it which you shall eternally witnes for to that in every one of your consciences I speak 3 The totall overthrowing of the works of faith and holinesse in Saints Rep. Here I speak and charge you in the presence of God to be in the generation of slanderers for the work of faith we owne and holinesse we owne in Saints 1 Thes. 3. 13. Rom. 6 19 22. Heb. 12. 14. 4 The bringing them again into bondage Rep. The Saints freedome we stand for which is the keeping out of your minds and the bringing out of bondage into freedom with Christ and saints you know not nor mount Sinai and you shew your selves to be fallen from grace walking despightfully against the Spirit of truth turning the grace of God into wantonnesse which grace hath appeared to all men which grace teacheth us to deny all ungodliness and worldly lusts and such lyars as you are 5 And as touching universal redemption Rep. He that is the Saviour of the one is the condemner of the other 6. And as touching free-will Rep. Of his free-wil hath he begotten us and the light that he hath enlightned every one that cometh into the world hath he enlightned us withal and the measure hath he given to every one according to their ability the crosse is to the will of man If you can read me you may which are without on the left hand in your owne wills who knowes nothing of universal Redemption as you call it but are the generation that stands in your owne wills out of the will of God in the falne estate from grace if ye were redeemed and stood in the will of God and dwelt in the grace of God you durst not utter forth your lyes 7 You say These men hold that every one hath a pure seed in him Rep. I say Christ hath enlightned every one that cometh into the world he that hates the light is enlightned one he loves it and the other he hates it and it lets him see his deeds are evil which shall be his condemnation here you have cleared your selves to be in the Generation of the Pharisees who say and doth not own this light which hath enlightned every one that cometh into the world 8. You say They boast of a gift of discerning Rep. Here you have cleared your selves from the spirit of discerning that the Scripture speaks of and hath shewed forth your nakedness and folly for to some was given a spirit of discerning which now is witnessed with some but not with you Again they who call themselves of the blessed Church of Wrexham in Wales have cast more lyes and slanders upon the Truth and upon the servants of the Lord by the name of one whose name is subscribed in print Mr. Vavasor Powel but Christ commanded his to call no man Master and be not called Masters but the Scribes and Pharisees love to be called of men Master and here thou hast made thy self plainly manifest to be in the Generation who hath published thy name in print Mr. Vavasor Powel and herein is his lyes and false aspersions answered 1 You say Mr. Vavasor Powel preaching at Church the chiefe Quaker with his hat on stood up and said thou speakest of a power thou hast not in thee Rep. Here thou hast added thy owne inventions and lies for those words were not spoken as thou speakest them for the said Powel was declaring to the people that those who are sent to preach the Gospel they preached it in the power of the spirit and this was that which he was asked with what power he preached the Gospel or what power of the Gospel that people could witnesse from his preaching unto them Powel answered some are convinced and some converted Then I was moved of the Lord to speak to the people and ask them which of them could witness they were convinced or converted by his preaching unto them and who had forsaken their sins but none there could witness any such thing but pleaded for sin and that they could
reproaches temptations slanders and lying accusations by the Chiefe Priests Scribes and Pharisees Hyppocrites and Lyers Professours of the Church of WREXHAM but my Lord and Master Jesus Christ hath left me a good example and as he is so are wee in this present world his followers Whose name after the flesh is Richard Hubberthorn AN ANSWER TO Certaine Lyes and false aspersions cast upon the truth and the Servants of JESUS CHRIST BY One whose Name is subscribed William Spencer and a Member of the Church of WREXHAM in WALES 1. THou saidst thou wast a follower of these people called Quakers for several monthes together and that thou quaked thy selfe in the sight of many people and that thou lay the three nights last past with one of them and that thou heard as it were the noise of an humble-Bee buzzing about the head of the stranger which made thee terribly afraid and would have risen out of bed but thee stranger b●d the lye still Rep. Thou lyer and false accuser thou hast published thy lies so openly and made them so plainly manifest that they who are enlightened in the least measure by the light of God may discern and see thee given over to hardness of heart and to speak lies and publish them abroad In thy first lying paper which was written from thy mouth thou saist thou wast for a weeks space a follower of those thou callst Quakers and here thou hast added more lies and put them in print and saist for several months together which is a lye and that thou quaked thy selfe in the sight of many people that power which made thee to quake and tremble I doe witness to be the power of the Lord and to that in thy conscience which is of God which did affright and terrifie thee thou man of sinne and made thee to quake I am made manifest unto which shall eternally witness me and condemne thee who now goest about to speak evill of the power of God and callest it the power of the divell but thou shalt know it was the power of God which shall plague and torment thee for utter in forth thy lyes and blasphemies against the Lord and his power And whereas thou saidst thou was terribly affrighted with something like the noise of an humble-bee thou canst fear where there is no fear for I do testifie from the Lord against thee that there was no such thing but the deceit being got up in thy mind and thou speakst from the vain imaginations of thy heart uttering forth such things whereby thou wouldst render the truth odious by thy lyes 2 And thou saidst thou wouldst have risen out of bed but the stranger bad thee lye still Rep. My exhortation was to the keeping thy mind out of the vaine imaginations which the deceit had drawne thee into but the deceit being strong in thee and thou yielding obedience to it it would not let thee rest and this was thy excuse as thou sayst in bed to me that thou wast diseased with an infirmity in thy body thou felt thy selfe not well telling me thou wouldst get up and when I wished thee not to disturb the mans family which was in their beds thou replyedst again to me and saidst the disease had used formerly to take thee and would hold thee for the space of a week or longer sometimes and thou saidst to me thou wouldst go to thy friends for if thou staid till morning the Disease might increase more and so disable thee from going home which was about four miles from that place as thou told me and under this pretence thou arose and now the deceit the which thou art servant unto hath made thee to change thy lyes And now 3. Thou saist the Quaker laid his head upon thy shoulder and did blow hard like the hissing of a Goose or Gander as thou hast reported it several times towards thy face or month which made thee leap out of bed as thou saiest in thy shirt in much fear and agony Rep. O thou Prince of darkness who hast hatched a multitude of Lyes in thy dark imaginations which arise out of the bottomlesse pit to make the truth of the Gospel odious and the servants of Jesus Christ contemptible lyers but the Gospel and servants of Jesus Christ trample upon all such as then thou scornfully caldst me a Quaker that name I own else should I deny the Holy men of God as Meses David Daniel and the rest but thou shewest thy self plainly to be of that generation which alwayes scorned the holy men of God as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses so thou who art of the same generation seekest by thy filthy lyes and false reports to oppose the generation of the righteous seed who are coming out of bondage but shalt perish in thy gain-sayings And whereas thou saiest there was a great and terrible wind and that the woman and children of the house was in great fear Rep. Here thou hast uttered forth more of thy lyes for the man and woman of the house do bear witnesse against thee and when thou arose and went out of the house thou toldst the man of the house the same thing as thou declaredst to me which is formerly mentioned which was contrary to these lies which here thou declarest and publishest abroad for which lyes thou must give an account before the Lord who will judg thee in righteousnesse and will not clear the guilty to pass unpunished And again thou saiest Thou testifiedst the next day publickly to my face the particulars before mentioned and I could not deny but thereupon deserted the meeting Rep. I charge thee in the presence of God here with another lye for I did deny thy lyes before all that people and thou wentst forth of the meeting house before me and here thou boasts thy selfe to do mischief and shewest thy selfe to bee of the same Generation which said to David Fie on thee fie on thee did we not see it And thou who hast published this lying Paper saist That the said Spencer ever since hath taken all opportunities publickly and privately as at Wrexham Oswalstrey and elsewhere to publish the same to the satisfying and confirming many in the truth of Christ against their Errors Rep. Be silent thou Flesh before the Lord and take not the name of Christ in thy mouth who art satisfied and confirmed in those lyes and callest them the truth of Christ which is the deceit and lying spirit speaking from one who is departed from the Truth and neglects no opportunity publick nor private to speak forth his lies and goes about to confirm others in the same Deceit with himself to speak evil of the truth and such cause the way of Truth to be evil spoken of but thou art discovered and thy lyes are made manifest and all who are satisfied and confirmed in the Truth cannot be deceived by thee nor thy Errors but to them thou art seen and discovered to be falne from Grace and art servant to the Divel whom thou servest who is the father of Lyers Blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely for my sake Rejoice and be exceeding glad for great is your reward in heaven for so persecuted they the Prophets which were before you This Scripture I witness to be fulfilled who am a Prisoner in outward bonds for the testimony of the Truth at West-Chester whose name after the Flesh is JOHN LAWSON FINIS Hab. 2. 20 Zech. 2. 13 Mark 3. 24 25 Eph. ● 1 Eph. 4. 3 4 Matth. 23. 13 Jo. 8 42 44 2 Cor. 4 2 Rom. 15. 21 Titus 2 12 Jam. 1 18. Hab. 1 9. Matth. 25. 15 Gal. 5 4. Joh. 12. 1 Cor. 12 10 2 Tim. 3 6 7 Matth. 23 Acts 17. 2 Acts 25. 13 Phil. 3. 10 1 Cor. 27. 6 7 Phil. 3. 15 Col. 1. 28 Col. 4. 12. Eph. 4 10 1 Cor. 2 14 Eph. 5. 30 Luke 23. 33 Matth 23 Mat. 26 63 1 John 5. 20 Tit. 1. 15 Revel 21 8 Luke 19. 22 Psal. 38. 6. 8 Psal. 22 1 2 Job 3. 24 Jer. 47. 2 Hab. 3. 16 Jer. 4. 12 20 Zech. 11. 3 Amos 8. 3 Luke 10. 22. Titus 2. 12 Rom. 6 2 Rom. 8. 1 Numb. 23. 21 Zeph. 3. 13 John 3 8 Matthew 23 1 John 4 3 John 8 44 1 Cor. 6 10 Ezek. 13 3 2 Tim. 3 13 Isa. 23 22 Isa. 54 13