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A44785 Darknesse and ignorance Expelled by the light shining forth, and the appearance of the day. In answer to a book called, Innocents no saints. Published by one Edward Dodd, wherein he hath laboured to prove tythes lawfull, and tithing priests and hirelings to be the ministers of the word, and the masse-house the church; and calls idolatry civility, and heathenish complements courtesie, and hath perverted many Scriptures. His deceit laid open, his vindication made void, and his arguments confounded, and Truth laid open in all these particulars, for the sake of the upright in heart, who rejoyces in Truths prosperity. By one of the lambs followers, who makes warre against the heart of the dragon, and against the rear of the beast. F.H. Howgill, Francis, 1618-1669. 1659 (1659) Wing H3156; ESTC R215412 21,256 31

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prevailed but are become all like broken bowes in which there is no strength which they may all lay downe in the field of confusion where they set their battell but the Lamb hath prevailed and his weapons are spirituall and they who follow him are skilfull to handle the sword and are able to make War with the Beast and all his followers and many are overcome and the rest shall be subdued and the day hastneth greatly that they shall melt away that hate the Lord And as for Christs saying let them alone they are blinde leaders of the blinde This he spoke of thy generation the Pharisees who were called of men Master and loved greeting in the Streets and Market-places and stood praying in the Synagogue in whose foot-steps the Priests of England are which Christ cryed wo against and now they are seen to be blinde guides and leaders of the blinde for they whose eyes Christ hath opened hath ceased from such and now bears their testimony against such In the eleventh page thou goes on in thy blindenesse and ignorance pleading for your publique place of worship the old Masse-house set up by the injunction of the Pope And you have taken their houses into your hands and scoulds against them in it when you are in the same nature And thou bidst us read what conspirators and enemies of God use to do in Pslam 83. 3 4. They said Let us take to our selves the houses of God in possession This was spoken of the Heathen of Gebal Ammon and Amaleck and the men of Tyre who devoured and destroyed and sought to destroy the Store-houses and Synagogues that were used in the first Covenant And thou mayest take the application home to thy selfe and to the generation thou art pleading for Have not the Papists good ground to plead with you in this behalf Was not the Abbies Monasteries Masse-houses Tythes Oblations and Obventions Easter reckonings Peter-pence the Papists and Jesuites maintenance And did not Henry the eighth who was the first establisher of your Religion in this Nation Did not he take them away from the Papists and then the Priests who denyed their holy Father the Pope got their tythes and the maintenance and took the Masse-houses into their hands and the tythes and Easter reckonings And if thou call these Gods houses and this Gods maintenance for his Ministers which maintained Popery Then thou hast brought all these Scriptures against thy selfe and thou art in a great transgression and your Schooles and Colledges which thou ignorantly callest the Schools of the Prophets like an unlearned man and Schools of piety then the Papists were Prophets and they were pious For these Schooles and Colledges were invented by them and you have gotten these from them to wit the Masse-house Schools Colledges Tythes Oblations the Papists maintenance and their hire and this is lawfull in your eyes and yet you will call them impious and idolators Are not the things the same in your hands as they were in theirs but these things are quite another thing then was in the first Covenant These things are not to be paralleld with the Synagogues Temples Store-houses Tythes under the Law for these were invented since the Apostles dayes and the Apostates who went from the life invented them when all wondered after the Beast and never mention a word of the Scripture as to thinke to prove these invented trumperies for the Scripture never intends nor them that spoke it forth to patronize your deceit in these things Object But it may be thou maist say Though these things fore-mentioned were set up by Idolaters and the places were made for an Idolatrous service and the maintenance and hire were to maintain Idolatrous Priests but now they are converted to a better use and they are convenient to meet in and convenient for our Ministers maintenance Answ. Did ever any of the Ministers or Apostles of Christ goe into the Iewes Temple or Synagogues to worship after Christ was ascended except it was to declare against them and to bring people off them or did they take the Jewish Priests maintenance which was commanded to be payd of God or did the Ministers of Christ exhort the Jewes that believed to build a Temple or a Synagogue to worship in Or did any of the Ministers of Christ go into the Temples of the Gentiles to worship or into the high places of the Iews Or did they receive the Idoll Priests maintenance or the Jewish tythes or eate that which was sacrificed to Idols If nay where is your example I know you dare not plead commandement from the Lord for these things Might not the Jewes when they had broken down the Altars of Baal and destroyed the Images and high places and the beauty of them have said these are convenient places for worship let us now worship here for conveniency and that maintenance of offerings that was offered to Idols let 's take them and give them to our Priests and Levites and let us offer them unto God If these things had been justifiable then yours are justifiable now but if condemnable then yours condemnable now and so let your mouths be stopped and speak no more so proudly nor bring no more such impertinent proofs and arguments for your deceit for that is enjoyed that weighes you all and can judge all your deceit And for Barbarisme and Heathenisme and Heresie thou speaks on which layes the Lords vineyard waste it 's brought in and dwels among you and the fruits are manifest in most of your Steeple-houses or Masse-house as witnesse your ringing of Pans Candlesticks Frying-pans throwing water and rude behaviour which hath been used by your Church-members as fighting beating punching tearing of cloaths haling out of your Assemblies them that come in the Name of the Lord and these be the fruits of barbarous Heathens which are not brought forth anywhere but among you but it may be thou wilt call this civility and courtesie and the tribute of the Nation And for heresie both in Doctrine and Worship none are to be compared unto you for unsoundnesse and ignorance for I looke upon you as the tayle of all the people in the Nation And the Vineyard of God that thou speaks on is no where layd waste so much as among you masse-house worshippers for you are like bryars and thornes scratching rending tearing and haling and are as a field untilled and as a waste howling Wildernesse that knowes not when good comes and that your Ministers are those proud phantastick sprits that have taken upon them to preach who denies an immediate call Neither are they approved of his Church which is in God the pillar and ground of truth but onely they are approved by man and by the Colledges which were invented by the Pope where more deceit and foolish fopperies are practiced then in any society in the Nation besides for them that denies an immediate call and an infallible spirit I deny them to be any Ministers of Christ and so
DARKNESSE AND IGNORANCE Expelled by the Light shining forth and the appearance of the Day In answer to a Book called Innocents no SAINTS Published by one Edward Dodd wherein he hath laboured to prove Tythes lawfull and Tithing Priests and Hirelings to be the Ministers of the Word and the Masse-house the Church and calls Idolatry Civility and Heathenish complements courtesie and hath perverted many Scriptures His Deceit laid open his Vindication made void and his Argument confounded and Truth laid open in all these particulars for the sake of the upright in heart who rejoyces in Truths prosperity By one of the Lambs followers who makes warre against the head of the Dragon and against the rear of the Beast F. H. And the Merchants of the Earth shall weep and mourn over her for no man buyeth her merchandize any more Revel. 18. 11. And cryed when they saw the smoak of her burning saying what City is like unto this City Rev. 18. 18. LONDON Printed for Thomas Simmons at the Bull and Mouth near Aldersgate 1659. THE man-childe which was caught up unto the throne of God when the red Dragon sought to devour and destroy him hath appeared again in power and great glory after the long and cruell tyranny of the Dragon wherein she hath killed the Saints and prevailed against them and hath made great war spoil and havock of the remnant of the womans seed this 13. or 14 hundred years and hath compelled all both small and great whose names have not been written in the Lambs book of life to worship him and the Beast unto whom he hath given great authority to kill and to destroy whosoever worshipped the God of heaven that so they might be worn out and all the earth might worship him and feare him and extoll him and his authority Now the time times and a halfe being near an end that John saw the woman should be retired in the Wildernesse she appearing again in her beautifull garments and her heir and her seed appearing again after the long night of darknesse Now when the Lord in this the day of his power is appearing again and the man-childe that is to rule the Nations with a rod of iron Now the Dragon Beast Whore and false Prophet and all the mystery of Iniquity Gog and Magog and all Apostates Deceivers and Merchants of Babylon that have traded upon the waters upon which the whore sits they are all up in armes every one with his weapons which he hath formed in the bottomlesse pit is now set in array against the Lamb who is risen the Priests hirelings and Babylons Merchants who have got so great gain by Sea they have given the first on-set in the front of the black army of the Dragon and this sixe or seven years hath made a great noyse and hath raised so much smoak out of the pit that they have darkned the ayre and made it cloudy and hath filled the earth with a great noise that many have admired what the issue would be and what the event might prove but now many who have waited in patience have seen the Lamb appear and have seen his rising in majesty and hath prevailed And many of them who gave the first on-set grows weary seeing the battel goes too hard against them and the Lamb and his followers prevail And now comes on the tail of the Dragon as the reserve and the rear of the Beast among whom Edward Dod appears and he thinks to prevail and get himselfe a name and to do exploits but alass all his weapons are but the old broken bowes and the spear is that are strewed up and down the field of confusion which we have run over and over and trampled upon and esteems them no more then rotten wood He hath raked up those things which have been answered over and over and that which the rest of the Dragons army hath vomited up before in the beginning he hath licked up and now vomits it out again and casts out floods of poysoned words false accusations and arrogant reproaches and proud disdainful speeches as though his tongue were his own And like one of Ishmaels brood scorning and deriding at innocency and saith he hath laid down some of our Tenets and named them and shamed them All sober people who know any thing of God will see thou hast shamed thy selfe and not us in uttering forth thy folly And thy title of thy Book demonstrates what is within it the beginning is scorn and derision the end is folly and madnesse and many ignorant words uttered forth from a corrupt heart and unbridled tongue which is bent to do mischief and to speak falshood but lest thou shouldst glory in the old rotten broken weapons which thou hast taken up which were formed by thy leaders and not by thee which we have answered again and again and have over-run them as stubble which answers have cleared the truth to all sober people that they see all your weapons are but carnall and not spirituall and they have no might in them at all to stand against the truth nor them who are made free by it whose weapons are spirituall and mighty through God to beat down strong holds of darknesse and the towers of ignorance Many are beat down already and the Lamb is risen and upon the white horse and a numberlesse number is following him who rides on after him who shall subdue the Nations to himselfe and break the yoke of the ungodly and deliver the oppressed and no weapon that is formed against him shall prosper I say lest thou shouldst boast I shall return these lines in answer to thy book Thy book thou titles A pair of Spectacles for a dark-sighted Quaker I say thy Spectacles are more like to make ones sight dimmer then through them to be made to see they are such wooden ones but the Quakers sees before thee and beyond thee and comprehends thee and have received eye-salve whereby their eyes are opened to see thy deceit and the deceit of the treacherous generation with whom thou art joyned and thy rejoynder and vindication of Samuel Smith whom thou calls Minister of the Word at Cressage in the County of Satop thy vindication of him and thy pleading for him will not bring much honour to neither him nor thee and though thou and he both ioyne hand in hand in deceit yet you shall not go unpunished Thou tels the Reader of wandering Planets who have left their station who have stepped upon the Stage in the County of Salop who are come forth in this apostatizing time All who have a good understanding may clearly see not onely in the County of Salop but also in every corner of the Land many wandering Stars that have no habitation in the Firmament of Gods power but are tossed up and down and are as waters unstable tossed too and fro with every winde and the change of one Magistrate or head Governour will make them all change their forme and