the Church is one The aduersaries withstand this conclusion and infring it with these arguments First the scripture is not written in mens hearts with the finger of God neither is it the primary voice of God Secondly the scripture is of no antiquity Thirdly it is obscure Fourthly ambiguous c. Bellarmine ads more to these of which ye may read in him They conclude that the voice of the Church is the principall and proper voice of the holy Ghost as he is the Iudge of controuersies Their proofe is this The scripture is written in the heart of the Church with Gods own finger this is the primary voice of God And whatsoeuer excellency wee doe ascribe to the scripture that they attribute to their owne Church which is nothing els but a den of theeues And that the spirit being this great iudge is not bound to one sort of men as those of the Ecclesiasticall function the Pope and Councels as they speak but doth performe this office without all respect of persons in whom and by whom soeuer it seemeth good vnto himselfe this is manifest first for if the holy Ghost be not the Iudge both of the very context of the scripture whether it be Gods word and of the interpretation of scripture if he be not I say in man himselfe assuredly there can be no faith For the spirit only begetteth faith in mans heart Secondly the holy Ghost executeth his other offices freely in by any man therefore so may he this function of iudging What is meant by iudging in the holy Ghost For I demand what els is it to iudge but to inlighten to teach that the scripture is giuen of God by inspiration and that this is the naturall sense of this scripture Thirdly the same we be taught by our experience for we find it true by experience that he doth freely iudge in and by whom it pleaseth him Testimonies of scripture proue also this assertion 1. Cor. 12. 11 And all these things worketh euen the selfe same spirit distributing to euery man seuerallie as he will And Esay 54. All thy children shall be taught of God Ier. 31. I will write my lawes in their harts The aduersaries impugne this truth of God with some argumēts of their owne of which ye may reade in Bellarmine And these men binde the holy Ghost to the Pope and to councels confirmed by him which point our men impugne also refute with many arguments of which this is one that of their conclusion this must be the consequent that the Pope and his councels must be aboue the scriptures which thing is absurd to be graunted See more arguments of this subiect in their disputations CHAP. XVI Of the eight propertie and the tenth controuersie LASTLY we auouch that the sacred scripture is of highest authority excellency and 10. Propertie dignity on the earth Here againe by this word scripture we vnderstand both the substance of it and the writing And here wee meane it hath such excellency as makes it most worthie of credit and whereby also it gaines authority and estimation to the Church For which cause the Church is called the Pillar and ground of truth 1. Tim. 3. 15. And it hath many other titles which are giuen to it often in the scriptures This is prooued by the former demonstrations as these The scripture is the word of God it is most perspicuous it is most pure and simple c. Ergo. The aduersaries vary in iudgment touching this authority of Scripture For some of them detract from this soueraigne authority of it affirming that of it selfe it is not authentical but takes authoritie and estimation from the Church Of this minde are these Eckius in Enchiridio Pighius in his booke de Hierarchia and one Hermannus an impudent Papist he with a black mouth auoucheth it that the scripture is of no more validity without the testimony of the Church then AEsops Fables c. Others more late writers and more subtile say that the scripture hath authoritie in and by it selfe and is authentical but not to vs before the church approue it and ascertain it to be so Of this iudgmēt be these Bellarmine Coclaeus Canus Stapleton Canisius c. They which speake thus that the written word of God is not authenticall to vs before the iudgment of the Church be manifested these men I say haue this meaning that we bee not bound to beleeue that the Scriptures bee authenticall before the iudgment of the Church be past of it and that we sinne not at all if wee beleeue them not before the definitiue sentence of the Church But we hold this to be false also to say that the scripture is not to vs authenticall without the authority of the Church For it is the holy Ghost that teacheth euery man to know beleeue that the scripture is authenticall and hath soueraigne authority in it selfe And this he teacheth not by any externall meane How the holy Ghost teacheth vs what authority the scripture hath first but by the very sacred scripture by which alone he properly breeds faith in our hearts to beleeue and apprehend this truth of God And so we resting on this illumination of the holy ghost teaching vs by the scripture that this is the excellencie and authority of the scripture doe beleeue this to be so albeit the whole world did oppose it selfe against vs. And thus farre of the more essentiall questions concerning scripture CHAP. XVII Questions more accidentall concerning the holy Scripture and first of the bookes wherein the same is contained THE first question is concerning the books of holy scripture These bookes are commonly called for the excellency of them The Bible The Bible as it is commonly receiued and caried in hands containes in it two sorts of books the first is of books Canonicall and the second is Apocryphal Regular or Canonicall bookes are such as giue rule and direction touching faith and manners The bookes of Moses are the first Canon or president sent from God First Canon which may not be iudged or tryed by any other externall Canon whatsoeuer For there was no booke extant before the books of Moses The authoritie of the writer so holy and the euidence of the spirit so powerfull and the holinesse of these books to passe by other arguments so great hath gained these books this high estimation and authority in the Church The books of the Prophets make vp the second Canon which bee adiudged canonicall Second Canon by that externall Canon of the Mosaicall books by which they were examined Next they were and are discerned of such as be taught of God inwardly by the holy Ghost by the great euidence of Gods spirit which is manifested in them both in words and matter The third Third Canon Canon are the Apostolical books of the New Testament which are adiudged and approoued as Canonicall partly by the Canonicall books of Moses partly by the
containe my selfe but must needes giue thankes as I ought vnto God for this so necessarie and so profitable a worke and reioyce that both you and the whole Church enioy so great a benefit desiring the Lord to increase with new gifts and preserue in saftie this excellent instrument especially in these times wherein thorow the scarcitie of skilfull workemen which labour in the Lords vineyard and by the decease of those well exercised and experienced souldiers and worthie Christians Sathan and his companions begin againe to triumph ouer the truth Concerning the estate of our Church and schoole we yet continue and proceede in our course by the mightie hand of our God and Sauiour protecting vs which is admirable to our very enemies being deliuered from the iawe of death But in truth for ought we see it is like to last but one yeare our estate depending on those acts which shall bee concluded in the * Or meeting at Roane Or the Prince our neighbour diet of Roane betweene the French King and our neighbour Duke either concerning peace or warre wherein we hope to be comprehended vpon equall condition In this fraile and vncertaine estate that is our principall consolation that we are sure this slender and twined threed whereupon we rest is sustained by the hand of our good God who will not suffer that to be falsified which we haue learned of the Apostle that all things worke together for the Rom. 8. good of those that loue him In the meane while I beseech you brethren continue your remembrance of vs in your daily prayers I for my part for some moneths though I be not much pained with any Feuer Gout Stone or any of those sharpe diseases which be the vsuall companions of old age yet I feele my selfe so infeebled and weakned that I am constrained in a manner to giue ouer both my publike duties to keepe house and home looking euery day for that ioyfull and happie dissolution whereunto age it selfe calleth me being now seuentie eight yeares old And herein I desire your prayer with the rest of my brethren by name of my reuerend brother Maister Meluin and Maister Peter Iunius whom vnlesse memorie faile me Maister Scringer of blessed memorie was wont to call his cosen vnto whom remembring withall my hartie commendations I desire you to communicate this my letter desiring the Lord my deare and louing brother to preserue your whole Church there with his mightie and blessed hand against all both forren and domesticall dangers Fare ye well from Geneua the Calends of Nouemb. after our olde computation CIC. IC XCVI Yours wholy THEODOR BEZA TO THE RIGHT WORSHIPFVLL AND HIS VERIE CHRISTIAN LOVING FRIEND MAISTER WILLIAM SCOT of Ely grace and peace by Iesus Christ WHen I had finished my last sommers worke of reuising and correcting Master Rollockes readings on the Colossians I was inwardlie much affected with the holy spirit of the man which I found as in that so in the rest of his workes Then my heart desired that as forraine Churches greatly reioyce in him and blesse God for him so the Churches of England and Scotland might to their greater ioy heare him speake yet more vnto them in their owne natiue language This is the cause right worshipfull that mooued me the winter past to gaine some houres from mine ordinarie labours to giue this little booke a new coate that it might be knowne also in all this Iland where it was first conceiued and borne It hath the protection of our most mightie King for saftie and free passage into other parts of the world where it hath been intertained with kinde acceptation and so now no doubt it shall be no lesse in both these kingdomes when as all true hearted subiects shall see with what christian affection our most noble King affected this faithfull seruant of Iesus Christ and his holy workes Now blessed bee God for being thus mindfull of vs and for annoynting his sacred breast with such a measure of the spirit of iudgement as an 2. Sam. 19. 27. Phil. 19. 10. Esa 11. 3. 4. Angel of God to discerne the things that differ and so to respect the meeke ones of the earth to the vnspeakable ioy of the good and terror of the wicked Behold now praise the Lord with vs and let vs magnifie his name together for the Lord hath done great things for vs the Lord hath so set the wheeles of his admirable prouidence and so carried his blessed hand this yeare past in all his proceedings round about vs and so touched the hearts 1. Sam. 10. 26. of all this kingdome as hauing a purpose to accomplish a great worke in the building of his Church and in his good time to lift vp such strokes as shall destroy for euer euery enemie that doth euill to the sanctuarie Psal 74. 3. The Lords compassions faile not O Lord withdraw Psal 85. 3. 4. thine anger and turne backe the fiercenes of thy wrath Turne vs O God of our saluation turne thou vs Lam. 5. 21. vnto thee that wee may bee turned and cause thy face to shine vpon vs that we may be saued Cease not to pray for vs that we may not returne to our olde securitie and vnthankfulnes any more but that wee may attend what the Lord saith for now he begins to speake peace vnto his people and vnto his Saints crying in their doores euen as it Prou. 1. Psal 85. 8. were in the open streetes that they returne not againe to folly Now we see that the counsell of the Lord shall stand for euer and that the thoughts of his heart shall continue throughout all ages for he hath broken the counsels of the wicked who haue euer sought to be possest of Gods habitations but the Lord shall make them as stubble before the wind the Lord will persecute them with his tempest and make them afraid with his storme O Lord fill their Psal 83. 16. faces with shame that they may seeke thy name Finally the Lord hath made our corners full and abounding with diuers forts of blessings hee hath made Psal 144. 13. the barres of our gates strong and hath setled peace in our borders he hath stablished his Gospell and holy couenant with vs he hath taught vs to obserue his iudgements and his wonderfull administrations both of his iustice and mercie he Psal 147. 13. hath not dealt so with any Nation round about vs. Wherefore O praise the Lord with vs let England and Scotland now with one heart as with one mouth praise God in all the assemblies Psal 6. 8. 26. O praise the Lord ye that are of the fountaine of Israel praiseye the Lord. To returne to our purpose as touching this sweete treatise in hand I say no more but this I trust the reader shall finde my words true that so many common places of diuinity as be here briefely couched as branches appertaining to this one head the
vnto vs no lesse certaine and firme then if we heard God himselfe speake or did behold and reade the verie mind of God yea the very diuine oracles written in Gods owne breast but now we haue not the liuely voice of God now we see not the secret mind of God therefore it must follow that we haue something to supply the want of the liuely voice of God euen meanes to reueale vnto vs the secret mind of God and nothing can do this but the sacred Scripture therefore Gods holy written word is and must be vnto vs as the verie voice and as the verie mind or wil of God himselfe manifested vnto vs. The fourth reason The Scripture containes all those things which God hath spoken in elder ages and what God himselfe hath decreed in his secret counsell so farre as is meete for vs to know concerning our life and saluation Ergo c. Thus far of the immediate word of God The mediate voice of God we call the voice of the holy and true Church of God for albeit men speake yet the word spoken is the word of God himselfe Here the aduersaries rise vp and contend that the voice of the Church must haue the priority of excellencie and that it supplieth the want of Gods liuely voice and the manifestation of his mind rather or better then the Scripture for say they the voice of the Church is a Popish Obiection cōcerning the testimonie and the authority of the Church before the Scripture Scripture written not with the penne of any Scribe but by Gods owne finger in the heart of the Church therefore the voice or testimonie of the Church ought to bee accounted the principall voice of God For it is a liuely voice proceedings from the liuing heart of the Church wherein God hath ingrauen all truth with the finger of his owne Spirit whereas the Scriptures of the Prophets and Apostles albeit they were deliuered and spoken by God himselfe yet they were not written by Gods owne hand but by the Prophets and Apostles which were the pen-men Again they were not written in y e liuing hearts of men but in papers and books or tables Hence therefore it followeth that this scripture which is found in the heart of the Church is the principall Scripture of God and that the voice of the holy Church is that most excellent voice of God ought to be vnto vs as the immediate voice of God in steed of the secret counsel of God I answer true it is the testimonie of the Church is a liuely voice proceeding from a liuing heart sanctified by the holy ghost for we speake of the true Church But first I say that the only Scripture prophetical and apostolical is to be accounted that Scripture which was written by Gods owne finger and that immediate word of God Next I say that the heart of the Church is taught and sanctified by the Spirit of the Scripture and that the Scripture which is in the heart of the Church is nothing els but a certain transcript that so I may speak or a copy which the holy Ghost hath written in our hearts according to that ancient and authenticall copie which is the holy Scripture For the holy Ghost teacheth the Church nothing now but that which is written and doth by the scripture after a sort beget the Church the Scripture is the mother the Church is the daughter the Scripture is the mistresse the Church is the scholler Thirdly I adde that the knowledge of the truth which is in the heart of the Church by means of the scripture is not so perfect nor so absolute as is the holy Scripture And lastly I say that the Church being inlightened and renewed but in part may erre from the truth euen in the greatest matter of waight and that it doth erre so often as it forsakes the canon and rule of the sacred Scripture Their former assertion being thus cast downe it is euident that the voice of the Church I vnderstand here the true church only not that whoorish church of Rome the voice of the Church I say is not that primarie and most excellent word of God nor ought to be vnto vs in steed of the liuely and immediate voice of God nor to be reputed for Gods minde and counsell but this prerogatiue is due only to the sacred Scripture I ad further that if thou doest first not so much respect the truth it selfe which the Church speaketh as the instruments of the speech vttered which are men next if ye compare the voice of the Church speaking with the sacred Scripture it selfe it doth not deserue at all to be called by the name of Gods word but may more properlie be called the worde and testimony of man For Christ himselfe calles that testimonie which Iohn the Baptist gaue of him the testimony of man I receiue not saith he or desire not the testimnoie of man Ioh. 5. 34. Be it so that the testimonie of the Church be true agreeable to the holy scripture notwithstanding it is truly called an humane testimonie whether yee respect the men which speake or compare their testimonie with that which doth proceed from the mouth of God and Christ himselfe But it may be replyed that the very Apostles and Prophets which writte and spake all these things which we haue in the Scriptures were men in like manner therefore all the Scriptures are but an humane testimonie I answere that I denie not all is obiected if we were to esteeme the words or writings of an Apostle or Prophet as they are instruments and Ministers or if this were to be compared with the very liuely voice of God and Christ himselfe For in respect of the instruments if we compare the words or writings of these men with the words and writings of God himselfe theirs I say must come after and giue place vnto this and must beare the name of an humane testimonie for so the testimony of Iohn Baptist himselfe as being an instrument in comparison of Christ the Lord of life was called the record of man Wherefore when we auouch that the Propheticall and Apostolicall Scripture is the immediate testimonie of God himselfe we make no comparison with the liuelie voice of God himselfe neither doe we so much respect what Organs the Holy-Ghost vsed to set forth the Scriptures but we consider the matter it selfe and the diuine oracles which be written and we ponder in what estimation God himselfe will haue vs to accept the sacred Scripture not as the writings and sayings of men but as the writings and words of God himselfe And we consider this also as in a comparison made with the Church For to vse that comparison againe the voice of the Scripture is Gods owne voice but the voice of the Church of Christ is called an humane testimonie as the word or writing of a Prophet or an Apostle compared with the liuely voice of God is called the
and to vs most manifest it followeth according to their iudgement that it yeelds light vnto the Scripture not only in respect of vs but also in respect of the Scripture it selfe yet is it in verity but a certaine secondary Scripture and a certaine secondary voice For as they auouch it the voice of the Church is as Gods owne voice sounding from heauen seruing to confirme the voice of the Scripture which now is but mans voice only and to ratifie and make authenticall the very Scripture as being written but by certaine Scribes and published onely by the hands of men This must bee the consequent of their principles or conclusion of their premisses albeit other men be of another iudgment As for our selues like as we denie the conclusion which they inferre vpon the former principles so we reiect also their very principles For we denie refuse their first ground to wit that the voice of the Church is to be accounted the liuely voice of God himselfe and that the Scripture written in the heart of the Church is to be accounted for that scripture which was written by the very finger of God And we affirme that the only propheticall and apostolical scripture is to be esteemed as the liuely voice of God we auouch it I say that this Propheticall and Apostolicall scripture only serueth vs in steed of that scripture which was written by Gods owne finger We adde also that the sacred Scripture is vnto vs a booke of reuelation of those diuine mysteries which were hidden in Gods owne breast from eternitie for this is the very will of God that we attend on him speaking in the scripture as it were in his owne liuely voice They haue saith he Moses and the Prophets Luk. 16. vers 29. that is the bookes of Moses and the prophets And God will not haue this scripture in no lesse account then that scripture which hee wrote in times past with his owne finger in tables of stone The voice of the Church I meane the true Church not the lying papisticall synagogue is but as the voice of the handmaide or as the voice of a crier which is to publish and to proclaime that voice of God full of excellencie speaking in the scripture But the scripture in the heart of the Church that is the Maximes of Gods truth written in the hearts of the faithfull they be nothing els but a certaine secundarie scripture taken out by the holy ghost out of that primarie and most sacred scripture and ingrauen in the minds of men For how much think you of that ful measure of the Propheticall Apostolicall scripture is there taken forth and ingrauen in our minds I say that if all mens hearts were bound together yet all they could not comprehend all those things fully and perfectly which be recorded in the Propheticall and Apostolicall scriptures For the catholicke Church so long as it is conuersant on the earth is not capable of al that light which shineth in the sacred scriptures of y e apostles the prophets Let their first principle be thus beaten downe and their Corolatie or second conclusion to wit that the voice of the Church is most manifest both in it selfe and vnto vs will fall to the ground of it owne accord and so both principles being shaken their conclusion which they inferre is of no strength to stand but must fall away CHAP. IX Of the first proprietie of the sacred Scripture WE are now to proceed and to make it manifest that the holy scripture is of greatest antiquitie and this is the first proprietie The 1. propriety of the scripture most ancient before ascribed to the Scripture Here first we be to find out the diuers acceptations of this word Scripture This word Scripture may be taken either for the matter onely and Acceptation of the word scripture the very substance which is contained in the words and letters or not only for the matter and substance but also for the verie writing it selfe or the forme wherein that substance is expressed and set before vs. Now if by this word Scripture ye vnderstand the verie substance it selfe it is without all controuersie that the Scripture is most ancient because it is the substance of those diuine oracles which not only Patriarches and Prophets haue spoken but also God himselfe vttered which things also were hidden in Gods mind from eternitie But if yee vnderstand by this word not onely the substance but the very writing and in this respect also the scripture may be said to be most ancient For as touching the Propheticall and Apostolicall scriptures in respect also of the writing and manner of reuealing of them as wee said often before it is Gods will that we so esteeme them not onely as the liuely voice of the Prophets and Apostles nor onely as the liuely voice of God himselfe or as a booke written with his owne hand as the Decalogue was set downe with his owne finger in tables of stone but also that we so accept them as the very mysteries and if I may so speake as the verie diuine notions which were ingrauen in Gods owne mind from eternitie To cleare this point a little The veritie kept secret in Gods mind from eternitie was in time manifested manie wayes or in diuers formes for it was reuealed partly by the liuely voice of God himself partly by the voice of the Patriarches Prophets and Apostles to passe by Angels in silence and partly also by the scripture which was written by the Prophets and Apostles The liuely and immediate voice of God did cease long since neither haue we that copie which God himselfe wrote the Patriarches How to esteem of the written word of God also the Prophets and y e Apostles haue ceased to speake the writings only of the Prophets and Apostles remaine to this day Wherefore this we hold as necessary vnto faith that we accept these writings or books first in steed of the liuely voice of the Prophets and Apostles 1 Next in place of the liuely voice of God himself 2 Thirdly of the Scripture written with Gods owne finger 3 Fourthly and lastly as that holy veritie and diuine mysteries 4 which are recorded in Gods owne breast which Oracles being simply without comparison of greatest antiquitie it is very manifest that the Propheticall and Apostolicall scripture is after a sort most ancient For what may be auouched of the liuely voice of God himselfe or of the Oracles of his mind the same in some respect may be said of the scripture supplying vnto vs their defect For Substance of the scripture simply most ancient if I may truly say in some sort the scripture is the liuely voice of God himselfe doe I not as truly speake also in like manner the scripture is most ancient for as much as the voice of God is most ancient But it shall suffice vs to commend the antiquitie of scripture to
readest thou saith hee and haue ye not read Haue ye neuer read How is it written Againe the Apostles of Christ for all their assertions bring proofe and testimonies out of the old Testament Apollos was a man mighty in Scriptures He strongly confuted publiquely the Iewes with great vehemency shewing by the Scriptures that Iesus was that Christ Act. 18. 24. 28. The men of Beraea receiued the word with all readinesse and searched the scriptures daily whether those things were so Act. 17. 11. Thus the primitiue Church and the fathers refuted heresies by the Scriptures To conclude this point most memorable is that worthy fact of Constantinus the Great who propounding the Bible to the Fathers assembled in the Nicene councell spake on this manner Here I set before you the writings Euangelicall of the Apostles and the sanctions of the auncient Prophets which can informe vs concerning the sacred law of God To beat back therefore the dint of the sword of the aduersarie let vs learne how to answer all obiections of the aduersarie out of the words which are giuen vs of God by diuine inspiration Lastly this I haue said that the Scripture is in it selfe liuely and vocall for as concerning deafe and dead men that is the naturall neuer taught of God vnto such I say it is but as deade mute Here the aduersaries blaspheme and reply saying that y e sacred scripture is but as a dead letter mute and not able togiue answere to any man not able to decide questions and controuersies in religion And contrarily they glory that the voice of the Church which proceeds from the Scripture as they speake which is in grauen by Gods own Spirit in the hearts of men they boast I say that this is vocall and able to answer the demaunders of all questions appertaining to saluation that this cannot be wrested nor peruerted but euer abides the same in al respects The answer to this calumniation and blasphemy is cleere of that which is before shewed for we made it cleere and manifest that the sacred Scripture is most liuely and vocall in it selfe And whereas controuersies are not so soone decided by the Scriptures the cause is not in Gods word but in men which be either so naturally blind and dull that they cannot heare vnderstand the Scripture speaking answering yea crying in their eares or they be so malitious and obstinate that they will not heare and vnderstand yea that they will full often against their owne conscience wrest the voice of the Scripture into another sense and that to their owne perdition Wherefore we conclude this point that the scripture is in it selfe 2. Pet. 3. and by it selfe most liuely and vocall And further we be to remember that to the end it may speake as a liuely voice vnto vs and to the end we may vnderstand it concerning all controuersies in religion we must vse the meanes before mentioned our very Grāmar Meanes to be vsed for the vnderstanding of the scripture is one speciall instrument for this purpose For our eies eares are opened by such meanes to vnderstand the Scripture and to attend vnto Gods voice speaking in the scripture if it shall seeme good to the holy Ghost to worke effectually by them in our hearts and minds If so be that the spirit worke effectually by the aforesaide meanes then the Scripture shall answer to all controuersies concerning faith and religion with a more cleere liuely intelligible and distinct voice then all the men in the whole Church shall answer who can auouch nothing sound and certaine vnlesse first they haue receiued it from the mouth of the Scripture and answer in the verie words of the scripture For whereas these men say the voice of the Church is liuely and vocall heard of all men and cannot bee peruerted and wrested To this I answer first that the voice of the Church as is aforesaid doth depend on the voice of the scripture Next that the voice of the Church is subiect to errours and change so that they may this day answer one thing and to morrow another and this serues no better in a manner then a Lesbian rule to decide controuersies concerning faith religion As for the church of Rome they haue so long and so corruptly answered concerning faith and religion that they haue caried the world from the truth to lies and errours and infinite heresies that there is now no cause wherefore these men may so put forth to sale the voice and sound of their Church which is become so corrupt and adulterous CHAP. XIII Of the fift property of the Church and of the seuenth controuersie NOw it resteth that we proue that the sacred Scripture is simply most necessarie Here then I say that if by Scripture yee vnderstand the substance and the verie matter contained in the words written it cannot be denied that the scripture is so necessarie that without it there can be no Church in earth for the church is borne and bred not Fift propertie Scripture is most necessarie of mortall but of immortall seede which is the word of God 1. Pet. 1. 23. But if ye vnderstand by the scripture the verie writing and forme of reuelation I say that in this respect also it is so necessarie that without this there cannot be a Church For the liuely voice of God is simply necessarie The scripture after a sort is the liuely voice of God therefore simply necessarie I graunt it that when as the liuely voice of God did sound and was heard in the Church this writing and this forme of reuelation was not then so necessarie but when as God did cease to speake and that the scripture came in place of Gods own voice then the scripture was no lesse necessary then the liuely voice of God For the voice of God must euer be in the Church that the church may haue her being and may continue on the earth yea this voice must be heard by the Church either by it selfe or by that which may best supply the want of the liuely voice of God Before Moses time this voice it selfe was heard after his time this voice sounded and spake in and by the voice and writings of Moses and the Prophets When Christ was come his owne liuely voice was heard After Christs ascension for a time the 2. Cor. 5. 19. 1. Pet. 2. 19. preaching of the Apostles and the bookes of the old Testament were receiued for the liuely voice of God himselfe and of his sonne Iesus Christ Then followed the Apostolicall Scripture which together with the holy scripture of the old Testament continue in the Church to supply not only the liuely voice of the Apostles but also of God and of Christ himselfe By the premisses it is euident y t it is simply necessary at all times that the liuely voice of God sound euer in the Church of God either by it selfe or by this supply which wee
vnder hope But hereof there is a notable place Heb. 6. 18. That by two immutable things in which it is not possible that God should lie we might haue strong consolation which haue our refuge to holdfast the hope that is set before vs. Where you see first that God hath promised it secondly that he hath bound himselfe by an oath that is that hee hath declared the vnchangeablenesse of his councell for sauing of vs by two immutable things to this end that we might haue strong consolation Now the comfort is not strong vnlesse it rise out of our firme and certaine assent whereby we consent to the truth of Gods promise For if our assent wauer and be vncertaine certainly there Note can no strong consolation arise out of our assent Secondly that it may be a strong consolation some generall certainty of our assent is not sufficient but it must needes be a speciall and particular certainty of assent whereby to wit I am certain that that which is promised is true of mee For what consolation at al much lesse a strong consolation can that be when as I am certaine that the promise concerning Christ doth belong only in generall to the Church and not to my selfe also in particular Nay rather in that very thing is the griefe increased when one sees that the benifites of Christ pertaines to other but not to himselfe at all But to the end that this which we speake of touching certainty and vncertainty may be the more manifest we must search into this point a little more deepelie In generall therefore certainty is either of the thing or of the person Concerning the certainty of the thing the firm truth thereof there is no question The certainty of the The certainty of faith person apprehending the obiect is nothing els but the firmenesse of the iudgement or the assent of the minde consenting to the truth of some thing or sentence Wherfore certainty is nothing els but a certaine property of the iudgment or of the assent of our mind And seeing the assent of the mind is twofold either generall when I generally assent to the truth of some sentence that it is true as for example concerning the vniuersall Church or it is speciall when as I assent to the truth of any sentence that it is true euen of me and of each particular seeing I say there is a twofold assent of the mind it followeth that there is a twofold certainty one generall namely the property of a generall assent the other speciall namely the property of a speciall assent Now that we may come to the state of the controuersie What the controuersy is concerning a particular faith the question is not concerning generall certainty but all the controuersie is of the special certainty of a speciall assent which they call the certainty of grace or of speciall mercy For we do affirme and defend the certainty of special grace but they oppugne this same certainty of speciall grace but I pray with what arguments First they say that in the Gospel no mercy is any where offered promised to any particular or any one man Therefore there can be no certainty of special grace I answer and doe inuert the argument In the Gospell grace is promised and offered not only in generall to all but in speciall to euery one as we haue taught before wherfore the certainty of a speciall grace is required in euery one Now to those things which we said touching speciall mercy offered to seuerall persons I adde these few things to the end that the whole matter may more cleerely appeare and to the end that we may learne by sense and experience it selfe that grace is offered to euery one by God The spirit of Christ only is Christs vicar on earth who teacheth and instructeth vs in those things which Christ spake and The spirit of Christ is his only vicar on the earth which are written in the Gospel Now this spirit teacheth not only generally that the promises and sentences in the Gospell touching Christ and his benefits are true of the whole Church but much more that they are true of that speciall and particular man whom he inwardly teacheth And sith the spirit of adoption dooth testifie with our spirit that we are the sons of God Ro. 8. this testimony of the holy Ghost is not generall concerning the whole Church that they which are in the Church be the sonnes of God but it is a speciall testimonie of mee and of thee that I am the sonne of God and that thou art the Sonne of God Besides 1. Corin. chap. 1. it is saide of the Spirit that he searcheth euen the deepe things of God that is the spirit which is giuen to euery one and which dwelleth in euery one doth search that grace and mercy in Christ Iesus which lieth hid in the deepe and makes it to bee knowne to euery one For the spirit of God dwelling in me reueales to me that which is hid in the very hart of God Now I demand whether he reueale to me some generall mercy only belonging in generall only to the Church or whether he reueale to me that speciall mercy hid in God which belongs to me peculiarly Certainly there is no man to whom this spirit dwelling in him hath at any time reuealed any grace that lyeth hid in God but he will constantly affirme that by the holy spirit there is reuealed to euery one not a generall mercy I know not what rough draught of mercy but a speciall mercy belonging particularly to himselfe Wherfore these same defenders of generall grace and mercy only Defenders of generall grace are but meere naturall men seeme to mee to be only naturall men and not spirituall of whom that of the Apostle may be truly spoken The naturall man perceiueth not the things which are of the spirit of God Secondly they say that it is not expedient that euery one should be certaine of his owne grace righteousnesse and saluation for certainty breedeth pride but vncertainty humility I answere certainty is a gift of the spirit regenerating which is bestowed only vpon the elect I speake of true and sound speciall certainty which is the property of true iustifying faith Can it therefore be spoken without blasphemy that the holy spirit and iustifying faith is the cause of the greatest of al euils that are that the worst of al that is of pride Nay rather the vncertainty of a man is vtterly the property of one that exaltes him selfe against God euen when he promiseth and offereth speciall mercy and binds it with an oath Thirdly they say certainty of speciall mercy is a speciall prerogatiue of some certaine men to whom God was pleased to reueale extraordinarily some speciall mercie proper vnto them Is therefore a speciall prerogatiue which belongs but to some and but to a few men to be reckoned among Gods common or generall graces I answer It is
reason but for the authoritie of him that speaketh this assent is is called Faith but it doth not require that the knowledge of that thing wherto assent is giuē should go before it being content only with the bare authoritie of the speaker Out of this distinction difference of assent say they it followeth that in faith there is no need of knowledge seeing faith is an assent whereby we do agree to the truth of some sentence being induced not by any reason or cause but by the authority of the speaker To this reason we answer first we do grant this difference of assents but we denie that that assent which is yeelded because of the authoritie of the speaker hath no need of knowledge to go before it For that it may be iustifying Faith to vs it is required that that which is spoken by God himselfe be some manner of way vnderstood by vs. For God doth not require that of vs that we should assent to his word and voice because of the bare authority of him that testifieth when as we vnderstand them not at all Secondly they reason out of that definition of faith Heb. 11. Faith is the ground of things that are hoped for and the euidence of those things that are not seene Here say they we see faith of things vnknowne namely of such things as are to be hoped for as are not seen But say I these two words * 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ground and euidence do argue sufficiently that those very things which are hoped for and not seene are in the meane time in some sort present and seene of vs. Whereupon Paul 2. Corinth chap. 4. saith Why we looke not on those things which are seene but on those things which are not seene Heere you see that The popish implicite faith euen those things which are not seen nor obiect to these eyes of our bodies are yet seene and beheld with the spirituall eyes of our faith And this is their opinion touching the knowledge of faith which tendeth to this purpose to establish that faith which they terme implicit or infolded faith Concerning that assent which we said is the 2. part of iustifying faith they do place the nature of faith only in that assent which is yeelded in regarde of the truth of a thing for they speake nothing of the assent or iudgment of goodnes and they make that same iudgment of truth which they hold to be only general namely wherby one doth iudge that some sentence is true not of himselfe but in generall of the whole Church when as notwithstanding that iudgement aswell of truth as of goodnesse which is the propertie of faith is rather particular yea a very peculiar grace which in the Scripture is called that ful assurance as we haue said before 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Touching the third part of faith which we tearmed the confidence of the heart they doe not acknowledge it For they say that confidence is nothing els but hope strengthened and a certaine effect of faith whereas notwithstāding confidence which the Greeks tearme 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is a certain motiō of the wil or hart not expecting but in present apprehending some good and depending therupon and reioicing therein as present Furthermore Confidence and faith of the same roote in Greeke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is faith and affiance are of the same roote For both of them come from the verbe 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which signifyeth to perswade Besides the verbe 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is taken euery where by the Apostle for to be perswaded to beleeue and not to hope Rom. 8. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is I am perswaded that neither life nor death nor things present nor things to come c. Phil. 1. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 I am perswaded that he that hath begun in you a good worke c. 2. Cor. 5. Knowing therfore the terror of the Lord 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 we perswade or draw men to the faith I graunt that the name 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is some times taken for confidence which is a consequent of faith and a certaine property of it for it comes to passe that he which beleeueth or trusteth dooth depende on him in whom he placeth his trust Of this signification of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 read Eph. 3. 12. In whom we haue freedome and accesse with confidence 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 by faith in him Out of these things which we haue spoken it is easie to gather a definition of faith according to their opinion who take iustifying faith to bee nothing els then that whereby euery one doth in generall assent to the truth of the word of God that for the authority of the speaker A popish definition of faith which definition what els is it I pray you then a generall notion of faith and such as is common to all the significations of faith which we set downe before From this definition of iustifying faith they gather that truly that iustifying faith may be in euery wicked and most hainous A popish definition of faith sinner For in him this generall assent may be which cannot be denyed to the very deuils as Iames witnesseth The Deuils saith he beleeue and tremble and yet they call this iustifying and true faith though not liuing For they distinguish betwene true and liuing faith True faith they say is euen that which worketh not by loue yea though it be dead but a liuing fatih they terme that which worketh by loue as by hir forme and not as an instrument whereupon they terme this by another name formed faith But we do vtterly deny this distinction of true and liuing faith for we take true faith and liuing faith for one and the same euen as one and the same man is true and liuing and as true or liuing man is so termed from his soule or form so also true or liuing faith is so tearmed frō hir soule or form which consists in ful assurance trust as we haue said without which faith is nothing els but a carcase euen as a man without a soule is not so much a man as a carcase and dead body But they indeuour to proue out of Iames. 2. last verse that euen dead faith and not liuing is neuerthelesse true faith As the body is to the soule so is faith vnto works but the body without the soule is a true body albeit not liuing therefore faith without works is a true faith although not liuing I answere that this is a sophisticall argument for the comparison of the body and faith which Iames maketh is not in the truth but in the death of thē and Iames assumes and concludes out of that proposition But the body without the spirit is dead wherefore also faith without workes is dead For betweene faith and the body this is the difference one and the same body
Christ which notwithstāding hold I know not what freedom of will that our meritorious works do cōcurre in our votion iustification glorification with the grace of God For as touching our calling although they confesse this to be true that preuenting grace as they speak doth so preuent or preoccupy vs euen then when we thinke nothing of the grace of God or of preparing our selues to receiue grace but being as it were a sleep in sin yet they do ascribe to free-wil that affiance which we giue vnto faith wherby we assent vnto preuenting grace admit y e same as though we had any actual free-wil or self power as they speak to receiue the grace of God We do grant some power or freedome of wil wherby it inclines after a sort vnto that which is is good I vnderstand a power of the matter but wee do vtterly deny that men by nature haue any actual free-will or that we haue a selfe power to do that which is good as it is good That selfe or neere power of will or liberty of will to good I define to be that liberty in the will which is by the essentiall forme of Potentia propinqua holinesse or by the image of God which is imprinted in the will as may appeare in the Chap. of free-will before handled Therefore wee hold and teach that in receiuing the first grace our will stands before God meere passiuely and not actiuely that is when the free grace of God preuenteth it we say it hath a power vnto good but the same to be of the matter only as schoolemen speak passiue which they call a remote power Againe we auouch that the same power is made actual by meanes of diuine grace preuenting vs y t is by the working of the holy spirit who taketh possession as it were of vs by the preaching of the Gospell whereby the holy Ghost doth renue our hearts inspiring that life of God into vs frō which we were before altogether strangers as it is writtē Eph. 4. 17. 18. 19. creating in vs againe that image of God which was lost that image I say of holinesse true righteousnesse As touching our iustification where our aduersaries do affirme that it is two fold terming y e 1. habituall the 2. Popish iustification actuall they say that we are prepared by our free-will to the 1. iustification as by a principal agent by the grace working together with the same But as for the 2. iustification that they place in works proceeding from free wil from our first iustificatiō which they cal infused grace And here they ascribe life euerlasting to the merit of this 2. iustification which dooth consist in the workes of our free-will and of infused grace as they call it Hence we may see that they do not attribute to the only grace of God any of the former benefits neither iustificatiō nor vocatiō nor glorificatiō nor any of those spiritual graces which God in time giues to his children But they do part them betweene Gods grace free-will and mans merit Finally if any comparison be made between God vs concerning the conferring of these benefits we shall Note find them to ascribe more to vs and our free-will our works then to the grace of God But we haue written somewhat of this before in the chapters of our effectuall calling of repentance of free-wil Therefore I refer the reader to these places and here I end this matter Thus far then haue we spoken of this common place of our effectuall calling which because it comprehendeth vnder it many other points of diuinity it may be wel reckoned amongst the most generall heads of Theologie OF THE MEANES WHEREby God from the beginning hath reuealed both his couenants vnto Mankind Question HOW many waies are there whereby God from the beginning hath reuealed all his will that is Kinds or forms of reuelation the doctrine of both couenants of works grace vnto mankind A. They are two Q. Which be they A. The first is a liuely voice the second is the Scripture Q. What callest thou a liuely voice A. The first meanes of reuelation whereby God partly by his owne mouth and partly by men hath manifested VVhat is meant by a liuely voice the whole doctrine of both couenants to his church from time to time Q. What were the instruments of that liuely voice from the beginning A. First God himselfe spake sometimes by his Sonne in VVhose it was the forme or likenes of man appearing to the Fathers sometimes by his spirit inwardly in the heart Secondly the liuely voice of Angels was heard Thirdly the liuely voice of men first of the Fathers then of Moses and the Prophets after that of Iohn the Baptist vntil Christ Then lowed Christ himselfe manifested in the flesh Last of all the liuely voice of the Apostles of Christ Q. This kind of reuelation which was by a liuely voice of al The quality of it these whom you haue named was it by inspiration and altogether free from error A. Concerning the liuely voice of God himselfe of Christ and of the Angels there is no question and as concerning men whose liuely voice God hath vsed from the beginning of the world hitherto in reuealing his wil to his Church they truly albeit they were sinfull men and in part onely regenerate notwithstanding in the deliuery of the doctrine of the truth of both couenants they were so extraordinarily gouerned and inspired with the Holy Spirit of God that they could by no meanes erre Q. Doest thou meane then that all men as manie as haue beene from the beginning of the world hitherto by whose mouth God hath-spoken to his Church were men extraordinary endued with extraordinary gifts of the holy Ghost confirmed by miracles A. I meane euen so for prophecy in times past came not by the will of man but holy men spake as they were moued by the spirit of God 2. Pet. 1. 2. Q. At what time began this liuely voice in the Church VVhen it began A. It began euen in the first creation of man Q. How long hath the liuely voice of God and men who could not erre in deliuering the doctrine of the truth continued Continuance of it in the Church of God A. It hath been from the beginning of the world euen to the death of the Apostles all which time there was almost no age wherein at least some one holy man of God was not extraordinarily stirred vp who could not erre in deliuering the doctrine of the truth Q. Why doe you say almost was there anie intermission at all A. Truly there was but I will name onely some more notable intermissions which may be gathered out of the holy scriptures First in the age of the Patriarches it is obserued that there was an intermission in Terachs time who was the Father of Abraham for albeit he retained some grounds of
truth receiued from his Fathers notwithstanding he became an Apostata and an Idolater as is manifest by the historie Next there was an intermission also when the people liued in Egypt for from the death of the Sonnes of Iacob euen to the departure out of Egypt Ezechiel testifieth Chapter 20. that al the people were fallen frō God to the Idols of the Egyptians Lastly there was an intermission from Malachy the last of the Prophets vntil Iohn Baptist in all which time no Prophet was raised vp notwithstanding the word of God was cōtinued amongst the people of y e Iewes by high Priests and the ordinary ministery but not without corruptions so that at the comming of Christ for the more part the doctrine of truth was now corrupted Q. Ought not the liuely voice of God which is not subiect to errour bee continued in the Church vntil the comming of VVhether a liuely voice not subiect to error continues til Christ Christ because you said that this liuely voice did continue in the Church till the comming of the Apostles only A. The liuely voice of Christ continues in the Church I confesse but not the liuely voice either of God or of extraordinary men such as were the Fathers Prophets and Apostles but only the liuely voice of ordinary men of pastours and doctors who both may erre do erre whensoeuer they depart neuer so little from the prescript word of the Prophets and Apostles Q. But God hath giuen a greater measure of his holie spirit to his Church which now is vnder Christ then euer he gaue to the old Church Therefore if in the old Church there was a liuelie voice which could not erre how much more shall there be now in the Church of Christ a liuelie voice which cannot erre A. It is true indeed that together with this full reuelation which is cōtained in the writings of the Apostles a more full spirit was giuen to the Church of Christ which now is then was giuen to the the old Church But hence it followeth not that either the Church or the Pastors and doctors in the Church are so gouerned with that Spirit that they cannot at all erre in deliuering the truth For this was the extraordinarie gift of the holy Ghost which was giuen but for a time but the gift of the Spirit which was giuen to the Church of Christ since the times of the Apostles is ordinarie and perpetuall to wit the gift of sanctification illumination and regeneration Q. The Church then which now is seemes to be in a worse case then the old Church was which had the liuely voice of God of men which could not erre A. That doth not follow for this Scripture of the Prophets and Apostles which nowe the Church hath doth not erre in doctrine and containes also a most full and most cleare reuelation of the truth Q. Albeit I should graunt the condition of our Church to better then of that old Church which was before Moses and which had the tradition and vse onely of the liuely voice and that verie imperfect and obscure notwithstanding I see not how the Church was not in better case which was after Moses euen to the comming of Christ as hauing not onely the vse of tradition and of a liuelie voice but also of the Propheticall Scripture as a light shining in a dark place A. Truly that Church had both that is both the sound of a liuely voice and of the Scripture and written word of God but neither perfect and absolute But this Scripture which our Church alone hath containes a most full and plaine reuelation for euen one forme or maner and kind of reuelation which is perfect and full must be more excellent then two which are both imperfect or which containe an imperfect reuelation of the truth Q. But there is no man who would not say it were better with this our Church if it had some liuelie voice which in speaking and answering to all controuersies might not erre A. They haue Moses the Ptophets and Apostles that is the writings of Moses of the Prophets and of the Apostles and those truely not onely sufficient but most perfect whēce only if they cānot learne the truth by thē and decide and end all controuersies they will not be instructed with the liuely voyce of anie extraordinary man howbeit as I haue said before the liuely voice was to continue onely so long in the Church as some thing was wanting to the full declaration of the mystery of Christ So that if now there should be any need of the liuely voice either of God or of some extraordinarie man in the Church of Christ that truly should plainely argue that the reuelation of the truth and mysterie of Christ is not perfect as yet nor accomplished Q. You conclude then that since the Apostles time there hath beene no liuelie voice heard in the Church which could not erre A. Yea truely Q. Whie did a liuelie voice not subiect to errour continue in the Church all that time which was from Adam to the Apostles A. To speake nothing of the will of God with the which alone we ought to rest contented first the condition of the Church did require this continuance then the measure of the reuelation that then was Q. Whie the condition of the Church A. Because the visible Church in all that time which was from Adam to the Apostles was both in place more streight as being shut vp in one family or in one nation was by reason of age weaker or not so wel growne For the Church before Christ if I may so speake was either as a child or as a young man Q. What then A. The liuely voice doth more easily reach or extend it selfe to a Church which is in place more streight and to the Saints fewer in number the church being as yet vnexpert by reason of the age of it and lesse growne had neede of the liuely voice of a teacher none otherwise then children haue neede of the liuely voice of a maister who as it were stammereth with them but after the comming of Christ when the Church was sufficiently instructed by the liuely voice of Christ and of his Apostles and now come to mans estate there was no more heard anie liuely voice either of God or of men extraordinarie Q. Whie did the measure of Reuelation require this A. Because all that time which was from Adam to the Apostles there remained as yet some thing more clearely and more manifestly to be reuealed and the reuelation of the doctrine was in seuerall ages made more manifest still as pertaining to the substance of it and so long as some thing remained to be more clearely reuealed so long a liuely voice was to continue for euerie new reuelation ought first to begin with a liuely voice Q. Seeing that the last and most full reuelation was by the liuelie voice of Christ and his Apostles hath there euer since
time after this he added the writings of the Apostles And when as the mystery of our saluation was fully reuealed by that liuely voice first and then that full reuelation was written euer since there hath beene no more vse of the liuely voice of any extraordinarie Prophet or Apostle But the Scriptures written first by the Prophets and after by the Apostles remained only without any liuely voice which could not erre Q. Where must wee begin to count the third age of the Church A. Not so much from the comming of Christ and the sending of his Apostles to all nations as from that time when the Apostles ceased to speake with liuely voice aswel to the Iewes as to the Gentiles for euen then the Church catholick came to mans estate full growth and then the Church began to vnderstand and to learne the wil of God by the written word as being a more accurate and perfect manner of reuelation The time then which was frō the cōming of Christ vntil the death of the Apostles was as it were a passage from the middle age of the church vnto the ful growth ripenes of the same Q. I vnderstand what you say cōcerning the causes of additiō of the written word to the liuely voice of the seuerall ages of the Church now I would haue you speake some thing concerning the scripture or of the writing of Gods word A. I will do so Q. What then call you writing or Scripture A. I call scripture or writing the second kind of reuelation whereby God either by himselfe or by the meanes of men extraordinarily reuealed those things which already had beene deliuered by liuely voice before to wit in that first kind of reuelation Q. Who then were they who euer since the beginning haue written A. First God himselfe next men Moses the Prophets and the Apostles Q. This kind of reuelation which was by writing was it not subiect to error like as that kind which was by a liuely voice A. No truly for concerning that which God himselfe did write there is no question and touching men they were so extraordinarily inspired and gouerned by the spirit of God that in writing they could not erre at all Q. When began it then to be written A. In Moses time Q. How long did the word written continue in the Church A. The scripture or the act of writing continued from Moses euen to the Apostles all which time there was almost no age wherein extraordinarily some one was not stirred vp who in deliuering the doctrine of truth by writing could not erre Q. You thinke otherwise of the scripture it selfe then of the act of writing A. I do so for the scripture it self or that which is now written by Moses the Prophets and Apostles yet continues in the Church and shall continue vnto the second comming of Christ Q. Was there any intermission of writing the word from Moses vnto the Apostles A. There was for it appeareth in all that time which was frō Malachy to Iohn the Baptist none was stirred vp either Prophet or writer inspired by God for the books of the Machabees be not giuen by inspiration as we shal shew hereafter Q. You said that writing continued in the Church vntil the time of the Apostles ought it not then to continue euen vnto the end A. Like as since the Apostles time there is no liuely voice heard in the Church which can be said to be so goned by the holy Ghost that it can not erre at all So since the Apostles nothing is written in the church which may worthily be called or said to be giuen by inspiration Q. What then do you think of so many writings of godly and learned men which haue been published since the times of the Apostles from time to time to the great good and profit of the Church A. Verely I thinke of the writings of Pastors and Doctors in the Church as I think of their preaching to wit that both be subiect to errour and neither is so gouerned by the holy Ghost but that in deliuering the truth of God they may erre Q. It seemeth then that the condition of the Church which is since the time of the Apostles is not so good as hauing neither the liuely voice as is afore said nor the writings as now you speak of those very mē who in deliuering the truth cannot erre A. It hath the scriptures of the prophets and Apostles which as pertaining to the substance of reuelation is full and as touching the kind forme of reuelation it is giuē by inspiration not subiect to error out of the which scripture whosoeuer do not learne all things which are necessary to faith and saluation assuredly such would not receiue from the mouth of God himself openly speaking in an audible and intelligible voice the doctrine and instructon of faith and saluation Q. Wherefore did the Lord so continue to record his will by The cause of the continuance of writing Gods word writing in the Church all that time which was from Moses to the Apostles A. There are the same causes of the continuance thereof as are of the addition of the liuely voice vnto writing For both the condition of the church and the measure of reuelation required the same Q. Why the condition of the Church A. Because the church continually increased and grew as in number so in knowledge Q. What then A. The greater number and riper knowledge do require this that the word be written Q. Why the measure of reuelation A. Because the reuelation of the doctrine of saluation was from time to time made more cleare and manifest euen vnto the times of Christ of his Apostles at which time it was in the end compleate and perfected For it was meete that euery reuelation manifested more cleerely fully should be recorded in writing to this end that it might be surely kept and deliuered to posterities Q. Can ye gather by these things the vse of the continuance The vse of writing of scripture in the Church of God A. Yea truly Q. What is then the vse of it A. To passe by the conseruation of the purity of doctrine the first vse was in respect of the Church for the instructiō thereof as being now in place more ample large in knowledge more perfect Secondly it was in respect of the reuelation of the doctrine it selfe that it might cōprehend and keepe it more fully and cleerely Q. By this vse of scripture or writing which you giue it seemes that this kind of reuelation which is by writing is somewhat more perfect high as that which is best agreeing fitting to persons and things that are more perfect A. It is euen so Q. Thus far then forwriting or scripture now I would haue you declare something vnto me concerning the subiect of this writing of the matter it selfe which is written A. As touching the substance the very same is