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truth_n	church_n	ground_n	pillar_n	16,417	5	10.6783	5	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A06199	Cum bono Deo Raine from the clouds, vpon a choicke angel: or, A returned answere, to that common quæritur of our adversaries, VVhere was your church before Luther? Digested into several meditations, according to the difference of points. Extorted off the author, for stilling the vncessant, and no lesse clamorous coassation of some patmicke frogges, against the lawfulness of our calling.	Logie, Andrew.	1624 (1624)	STC 16694; ESTC S108810	39,602	80

〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 must not bee 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 would bee 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 so 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or potestas as they speake in Schooles hee must bee instructed with commission Hitherto the LORD is said to haue called Bezaleel by name and to haue filled him with his spirit for working in his Tabernacle Exod. 31. Hitherto the LORD commanded Moses to take Ioshua the sonne of Nun in whom the spirit was and to put hands vpon him Num. 27. vers 18. Hither-to wee see Numbers 17. amongst all the twelue Roddes of the Princes of Israel onelie AARONS Rodde to haue budded blossomed and borne rype Almondes where-by wee are taught symbolicallie that the LORD will onelie blesse their Ministrie whom hee setteth aworke himselfe Matth. 28.19 Hitherto wee see the marriage of these three in unum Spiritum Ite Docete Baptizate Matthew the last at the vpshot whereas CHRIST sent foorth his Disciples to that publicke Ministrie Hitherto wee see with what care the whole Prophets at least in common alleadged still in the entrie of their prophesie to their warrand of Calling Yea last wee see quàm severè à DEO hic animadversum in sacri bujus ordinis temeratores but the least regard to their qualitie But in respect our Adversarie goeth no farther length but contenteth him simplie to amasse some passages together enforcing the necessitie of Vocation or Calling I might vel citra tenuissimum pulvisculum hoc labore defungi by subscrybing to this granted and acknowledged trueth in common the quaestion still remaining with whom this vocation or calling is Alwayes I shall lay hold on the matter even from so farre and impose here a necessitie on my selfe whereas there is none so much as deferred or but barelie offered not out of the least consciousnesse of anie vnlawfulnesse of our Calling or the least weaknesse therein Neither yet heerein sillilie to subserue the humour of our Adversarie Neither yet out of the least praesumption on my part but fiduciâ bonae causae as lykewise to satisfie in some measure as the expectation of all so the most earnest expetition of the well affected as last of all lest else I might justlie seeme overpassing it with a dry foote to overleape it lyke a Ditch from whence I feared danger Yea and bee misconstrued as to detrect the Combate whiles being so pointlie poynted at c. Out of these considerations then one word en passant with a running pen of this so much ventilated quaestion of our Church her being before Luther which our Adversaries with so opē full mouth noyse so much to day yea fill both Heaven and Earth with the brute hereof and wherein they place the strength of their cause as Sampsons strength lay in his haire Truelie to vntye and vnloose this their Gordian knot non expectandus hîc nobis Elias aliquis aut 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Primum Meletema FIrst of all this maine ground would be laide and headilie adverted vnto in the Frontispice of this Worke to wit That the Church is still one and the same though not alwayes alyke affected as a man remaineth one and the selfe same man in sicknesse and health Now from hence the ridiculous follie of these demands of our Adversaries appeare of will to wit Of the being of our Church before LVTHER as lykewyse If shee was in Poprie or not Certes Papatus invasit Ecclesiam Poprie hath invaded the Church for accidentis est inesse subjecto but not on the contrarie subjecti inesse suo accidenti so that the Church throughout her diverse conditions before Poprie vnder Poprie and delivered or come foorth of Babel is but one and the same remaining thus one common subject lyable to diverse alterations and lyke heerein to the naturall or physicall bodie of man diverslie affected Hitherto it is that you see the two witnesses Revel 11.3 to bee cloathed in sacke-cloath ob tristem videlicet Ecclesiae statum and againe the Angels comming foorth with the seaven Plagues ad sumendum debitas de Antichristo poenas to be cloathed in signe of victorie triumph sutablie in pure bright linnen Revel 15. ob laetum Ecclesiae statum Now Est of the third adjacent praesupponeth Est of the second as they speake in Schooles And so it remaineth quòd subinde alia atque alia sit Ecclesiae facies Whitherto shee is well likened by the Fathers to the Moone which remaineth one and the same etiam vel ubi patitur deliquium even while shee is eclipsed For closure then as the Church remained the same even whilst holden in captivitie in that Easterne Babylon so did shee remaine one and the same whilst thralled and enbondaged in that Westerne and mysticall Babylon c. Secundum Meletema WEE acknowledge all in common the Church for the ground and Pillar of the Trueth the word Pillar heere being taken aright ratione scilicet forensi and not Architectonicâ for else all shoud proue confused in that speach of Sainct Paules as if domus id eui innititur domus that is the Trueth and the Church were one and the same as our Adversaries heere confound yea as if the Church were not built on that foundation of the Prophets and Apostles their doctrine as lykewyse allusion heere being made ad domum illam Salomonis totam columnis conspicuam I leaue to speake of the different interpunction which as it would cleare all heere so hath it no little probabilitie because of the synapticke or copulatiue particle Kaì in the beginning of the next verse which would seeme to knit these wordes with something going before to this sense That CHRIST or GOD manifested in the flesh is the ground and pillar of the Trueth without controversie the great mysterie of godlinesse But to follow the received interpunction interpretation ne crabrones irritemus it is cleare frō hence that we must needs acknowledge that pillar for the Church wherevpon wee find the Trueth appended since that ad Ecclesiam tanquam ad columnam prostat veritas in ea demum comparet so that from the doctrine judgement must bee given of the Church and not on the contrarie Whitherto Gregorie Nazianzen sayeth well 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Wherefore thus are wee ledde by the hand to institute a tryall penes quod sit veritas where and with whom the Trueth is this proveth in the ende the last analysis or resolution of this quaestion If I durst make bolde I would pose our Adversaries heere a little of their judgement Whether it bee safer and surer worke with Tertullian personas ex fide or on the contrarie fidem ex personis aestimare now our Adversaries holde this latter and so must needes promiscuouslie receiue the leaven of the Pharisees because they sit in MOSES Chaire for sound and true Doctrine That I may make this farther tributarie to the errand in hand from hence I thus argue

talo aut ingreditur pede as which deceiveth 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Decimum Meletema WHereas the current of the ordinarie Vocation is intercepted or interrupted through the iniquitie of tyme licet hic DEO aliquid extra ordinem the LORD may heere extraordinarilie stirre vp men to the redintegration of this broken-off worke as the storie of the olde Church both vnder the Iudges and Kings may instruct to the full I would inquire of our Adversaries Vbi interruptus fuit ille syndelechismus notius est hîc illud institutum DAVIDIS 1. Chron. 24. quàm ut necessum habeam illud commemorare whereas the daylie Sacrifice was broken off from whence was the redintegration or reformation heereof to bee expected If from GOD heere extra ordinem by stirring vp men for his owne worke or if ab ipsis deformatoribus and if even those praebuerunt sese instaurandae religionis administros and so reparation was made even by those who in common had miscarried which case who dare sustaine to denye to haue behappened whether or not GODS Hande is to bee acknowledged heere singularlie Thus there were no danger heere if wee should bee pleased to recourse to this helpe of extraordinarie vocation for the LORD hath one and the same right still and may alwayes dispose of his Church as pleaseth him best vnder Grace as vnder or yet before the Law But this were but frustra or in vaine on our parte ubi nulla cogit necessitas c. XI MELETEMA THE Calling even of those our men vvhich our Adversaries singularlie aime at at least produce exemplarlie as of LVTHER was ordinarie quoad ortum as to his separation to the worke or to the Gospell though extraordinarie in some regard as of those heroicall motions whereby hee was stirred vp matters so standing to attempt a Reformation So here we may distinguish betwixt 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 respectu 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 his Calling was ordinarie but respectu 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 it was extraordinarie not so much in respect of the Calling in it selfe but relatè ad subjectum in relation to the person called for as the Apostle Sainct Paul sayeth 1. Cor. Cap. 4. Vers 7. Quis te discernit so to trace our Adversariee heere who separated LVTHER Truelie ubi corpus in commune laboraret whereas the bodie was affected in common this his separation not to the worke simplie wherevnto hee had an ordinarie calling but in a certaine respect to wit in regarde of a greater measure of puritie in the worke was and may bee called extraordinarie I say of LVTHER That hee had an ordinarie Calling to the worke it selfe if so bee that there was anie ordinarie vocation with our Adversaries for the time for doe they not acknowledge this whilst they arcesse vs of secession which praesupponeth and subinferreth a prior vnion and being amongst them except as it prooveth indeede well ordinarie with them they holde quod vnum relatorum possit esse absque altero quod sublato fundamento locus queat esse termino as yee may see In that matter of their Vtopicke Purgatorie In the retention of the punishment the fault beeing remitted and pardoned as if there could bee possiblie anie place condemnationi morti or judicio ubi reatus nullus condemnamentum nullum which the Apostle maketh as consequents and after-effects Nay which is yet farther though wee should simplie grant of the calling of our first men that it were extraordinarie quoad ortum the function should not cease from hence to bee ordinarie for ortus extraordinarius may giue beginning functioni ordinariae as may bee instanced in Aarons Priesthood which was an ordinarie function though as to the spring extraordinarie for as to Moses parte it was no creation but renunciation hee created not or made him Priest but simplie renounced him for Priest and declared him to bee such And last whereas our Adversaries require fayth to bee made to the extraordinarie vocation of our first men by some miracle or extraordinarie signe truelie if wee eye the matter aright nec hoc defuit neither was this wanting for I pray you whilst they confesse and acknowledge that so few in number so obscure in qualitie bore out this worke so mightilie against so great opposition doe they not imprudentlie thus acknowledge GODS hand warranding this his owne calling heere miraculouslie for quis hic tam 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 cujus sensus hoc non feriat afficiat XII MELETEMA TÒ ordinarium is to bee considered two manner of wayes first for that which is agreeable to that order at the first established by GOD himselfe and secondlie for that which through an inveterated custome hath commonlie obtained Now as to that vocation obtaining with vs to day it is ordinarie as to the first acception of the word ORDINARIE and may indeede bee called againe extraordinarie in some regarde the word being taken in the latter acception as theirs is lykewyse in part ordinarie and in part extraordinarie I say in part for you would remember that even in that Popish Ordination traditur ordinato codex Evangelii vocatur ad praedicandum Evangelium non simpliciter ad sacrificandum CHRISTVM Wherefore as our Adversaries heere checke vs into those words of Sainct PAUL Nos talem consuetudinem non habemus so if the Apostles Patres Patrum were aliue they should not faile to except them by the like checke in eadem verba Nos talem consuetudinem non habuimus XIII MELETEMA WEE haue not made the least secession from the Church of ROME neither as shee is a Church nor yet as such to wit gathered at ROME for as to this last there is no evill in the word ROMANA for fides Romanorum praedicata fuit per universum orbem and would to GOD wee had that ancient ROME whiles shee kept the Trueth in sinceritie but onelie from her as shee is Papana or rather that wee may secerne heere secernenda à Papatu from this accident and not from the subject which is but a betaking of vs from a foule place to a cleaner and not an egression out of the Church simplie which phrase cannot bee vsed properlie except ROME which is but a sister-Church and collaterall were the sole Mother-Church or a secession from the same for a secession subinferreth nay praerequireth and praesupponeth a prior vnion Now Papatus and Ecclesia Poprie and the Church make vp but one as a subject doth with its common accident as Hydrops and homo doe So the secession of our first men from Poprie within the Church was not properlie or simplie a secession but this their foorth-comming whiles the bodie was in common affected was rather terminatiue of a prior secession or common defection From hence it might seeme but needlesse if I might speake it with reverence of greater and better judgements to seeke so carefullie to the just causes of our secession to wit the Heresie Idolatrie

to bee heavilie affected and diseased It is true indeede that the Bishop of ROME was called in common with the rest of the Patriarches by the name of occumenicall Bishop as which all joyntlie and commonlie repraesented 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Nay wee deny not heere yet farther that the Bishop of ROME obtained at last 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a certaine Procathedrie or preseance and this perhaps not onlie because that ROME was sedes or Caput Imperii the Imperiall Seate or Seage or yet because it prooved a ZOAR or place of refuge to them of the Easterne Church during the ARRIAN persecution but even because of the fayth as which kept then the Trueth in sinceritie where-as other Churches were more corrupted But all this is ours for as POMPEY sayde well Non est in parietibus Respuplica so no more is the Church of ROME within her Walles Againe it is an evill collection to gather or conclude straight an vniversall Prostasie from a particular Procathedrie Nay and albeit the Church of ROME was alleadged vnto exemplarlie whilst shee kept the Fayth in puritie and sinceritie followeth it from hence that shee was either the Mother-Church or the Catholicke Church which were orbem vrbi includere The Ancients indeede adducebant Ecclesiam Romanam sed vt exemplum particulare scilicet during that space of her puritie sed ne vel tum quidem vt attributum vniversale which our Papistes doe to daye You know that this is ordinarie with vs whilst anie differ ariseth to appeale or provoke to the most famous Church where wee liue as in FRANCE appellation is for common made to the Church of GENEVE or yet to deferre the cognition of the matter to some Transmarine Church but shall anie inferre from hence That by this appellation wee abjudge the name of a true Church from our selues or yet singularlie adjudge this name to that Church wherevnto wee appeale Nay last of all heere Ab Ecclesia Romana during that her flowrishing age ad hodiernam Papanam non est concludere distant ac differunt haec du● immane quantum immo 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 XX. MELETEMA THe Chiefe Priests and Elders of the People where-as they could not except against Christ's works or authoritatem factorum they began to quarrell authoritatem faciendi and so to quaestion Him by what authoritie Hee did these things and who gaue Him this authoritie Mat. 21.23 Thus it fareth with our Adversaries or these our new Pharisees to day since they can not except against 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or the doctrine which wee teach lest else they should haue nothing at all to holde their poore bewitched people in hand they must needs except here and quarrell authoritatem 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and so squabble about our authoritie in Teaching if not authoritie of Doctrine wherefore let vs giue this to their so great and pressing necessitie There is one of our Men no lesse truelie in Dignation than Place vvho hath latelie written most learnedlie in defence of our CALLING vvhere-at I can not heare of anie amongst our Adversaries vvho hath so much as snatched as yet but lyke a Dog leaping at NILVS so that I graunt this to bee but a superfluous labour on my part vvhere-in but benè actum malè ago yet I can not but looke for a charitable construction voluntas quum sit actionum mensura and that it may bee permitted to those qui prae tenui peculio vitulum vivum divis minus elustrare possunt vel taurum è farina fingere yea and as who could not bee altogether heere muet being so deicticallie pointed at and pressed by the greater part in common but at least some advantage taken by the Adversarie vpon my silence against my selfe though not to the least praejudice to the errand or common cause or yet derogation to the credit of the Ministrie with vs through my weake sides wherefore gentle Reader giue to necessitie whatsoever thou findest heere done and vouchsafe at least thy best countenance which is grace enough against all disgrace I feare these whatsoever my paines shall incurre with the enemie yea or bee lyable vnto for if thou pardon my praesumption and accept of this my meane indeavour thou shalt perhaps incourage mee to some greater attempt what well done giue GOD the praise and where I haue taken the paines reape thou the profit what thou findest amisse corrigi ac sanari posse ne despera as who aliis vt prosim veritatis Discipulus esse malim quam aliis dùm praesim erroris Magister c. VIVE VALE FINIS ERRATA Pag. lin for reade 6 Margent insignari insigniri Ibid. Ibidem Meletemata qui Meletemata Ibid. 7 periet pereat 9 17 appeare appeareth 11 21 quod quos 20 24 estate estates 22 25 whiles whiles as 23 27 videri● videsis 43 13 Papista Papissa 49 3 solelie solly Ibid. 6 Sainct Saincts 50 1 Chrysostomo Quarto 51 15 ao to 52 10 word words Ibid. 19 thing things 54 32 solelie solly 59 3 absolutelie absolutae 65 6 defuerant defuerunt 69 27 not note 71 4 certainlie certaintie Ibid. 23 Boguintinus Boguntinus Item in some places of this Treatise for pretend reade pertend