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A31661 A dialogue between a pædo-baptist and an anti-pædo-baptist containing the strength of arguments offered on both sides at the Portsmouth disputation, with the addition of a few more arguments then ready to be offered in vindication of infant baptism / by Samuel Chandler and William Leigh. Chandler, Samuel.; Leigh, William. 1699 (1699) Wing C1931; ESTC R35977 16,321 29

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A DIALOGUE BETWEEN A Paedo-Baptist AND AN Anti-Paedo-BAPTIST Containing the Strength of ARGUMENTS Offered on both sides at the Portsmouth Disputation WITH The Addition of a few more Arguments then ready to be offered in Vindication of Infant-BAPTISM By Samuel Chandler and William Leigh LONDON Printed for A. Chandler at a Glover's Shop over against the White-Hart-Inn in Aldersgate-street and Sold by A. Baldwin 1699. TO THE READER BEcause Dr. Russel or some Friend of his did a while since disgrace the Press with some scraps of their Narrative stuff'd with Nonsense and Partiality nay and by its Title did delude the Vulgar with an Imagination that it contained the true State of the Portsmouth Disputation and the same how Unjust soever being Cheap hath been scatter'd throughout most parts of the Kingdom Therefore by Advice of our Brethren from various Parts we have offered so far as this small Tract would admit the strength of Arguments then urged on both Sides omitting Names and Personal Reflections apprehending this way may be most Grateful to Persons seriously Inquisitive We have also annex'd a few Arguments which with others were then ready to be urg'd had the Company 's Satisfaction requir'd and the approaching Evening admitted If this fall into the hands of the Learned we request them to remember That it is designed for Persons of meaner Capacities that neither understand Ornaments of Speech nor affect Terms of Logick If it fall into hands more Illiterate yet willing to receìve Divine Truths we request of them that they would weigh it in the Balance of Scripture and Sanctified Reason yea and we request of God that they may Sam. Chandler Will. Leigh QUESTION I. Whether according to the Commission of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ Adult Believers only are the Proper Subjects of Baptism and not Infants Asserted by Anti-paedo-Baptists THE Controversy is Whether Christ's Ministers ought 1. To deny Baptism to the Infants of professed Christians 2. To Baptize those at Mature Age who by vertue of descent from professed Christians were Baptized with a small quantity of Water in Infancy The first Argument offer'd at the Disputation by the Anti-paedo-Baptists I consider last because there it will come to be more fairly Answered Anti-poedo-Baptist I prove then That no Infants can be the Subjects of Baptism according to Christ's Commission Argument 1. No Infants can be made Disciples by the Ministry of Men therefore no Infants can be the Subjects of Baptism according to Christ's Commission Mat. 28. 19. Go teach c. or Disciple all Nations c. Paedo-Bapt I deny your whole Argument and 1. I assert If they could not be made Disciples by the Ministery of Men yet this Text would not exclude them from Baptism And then 2. I assert That they be made Disciples by the Ministery of Men. Anti-Paed Christ puts Teaching before Baptism therefore it goes before and consequently Infants are Excluded Paedo-Bapt This is a weak way of Arguing The word is placed before in Scripture therefore the thing signified must go before Were this true then Baptism must go before Confession of Sin in the Adult because it 's said They were Baptized Confessing their sins Mat. 3. 6. Nay Sanctification and Preservation in Christ must go before Calling Iude 1. But the contrary is evident to all But farther Infants may be Disciples and therefore by your own Argument may be Baptized they may be Taught in their Parents as well as the Kohathites keep the Charge of the Sanctuary in their Parents from a Month old Numb 3. 28. Or Levi pay Tithes in Abraham Heb. 7. 9. Or the Israelites in David's time rejoice in their Ancestors on the Banks of the Red Sea Ps. 66. 6. There did we rejoice c. i. e. as considered in our Parents Anti-Paed But how can this be by the Ministery of Men Paedo-Bapt 1. By the Preaching of Men Parents may be constrain'd to resign their All to God and so their Infants 2. They are immediately Discipled by Men's Ministery when Parents and Ministers concur in their Solemn Dedication to God by Baptism Anti-Paed But Teaching and Learning make the Relation between Master and Scholar Paedo-Bapt The contrary is most true the Master doth care for and command the Scholar is subject in order to Instruction and Resignation of the Scholar or his Parents for him and Acceptance of the Master constitutes the Relation and by virtue hereof the Scholar is as much obliged to submit to his Master according to his Capacity before he touches a Book as when he hath learned Seven Years If Teaching were the ground of this Relation then Persons long since Dead might be our Governors Iob 8. 8 10. The former Age and their Fathers shall teach thee Nay the Beasts of the Field may be our Masters too Iob 35. 11. Who teacheth us more than the Beasts of the Earth c. We may learn of them and yet be our own Governors But Christ's Disciples are resigned to him in order to their being both Governed Taught and Disposed of by him according to their Capacity Anti-Paed Argum. 2. Paul did declare the whole Counsel of God and yet did never declare the Baptism of Infants therefore Infant-Baptism is no part of the Counsel of God Paedo-Bapt Neither ever did Paul declare That the Baptism of Believers Children ought to be delay'd till they can Personally profess their Faith therefore thir Practice being such is no part of the Counsel of God Take the Argument to your self and make the most of it 2. But I hope to prove Infant-Baptism from Paul's Words 1 Cor. 7. 14. Rom. 11. But pray Is nothing part of the Counsel of God but what stands on Record as delivered by Paul Anti-Paed Nothing and therefore not Infant-Baptism Paedo-Bapt If nothing then how great a part of the History of the Old World of the succeeding Patriarchs of the Ceremonial Law of Prophecies Gospel-History and other Sacred Matters in Holy Writ is no part of the Counsel of God The Truth therefore is Paul might declare Infant-Baptism an hundred times in his vast number of Sermons and Pious Discourses and yet the Holy Ghost might not see fit to insert it as delivered by him this Doctrine being sufficiently Established in other New-Testament Texts But farther These words were spoken to the Church of Ephesus And all that remains on Record of what he spake to them in two Years Acts 19. 9 10 11. is but the Epistle to the Ephesians and this in Acts 20. And dare any say That he never declared it to them because it 's not herein contained Here because some Anabaptists from Dr. Russel's false Narrative do report That we pretended at the Disputation that six Leaves of Paul's Writings containing Infant-Baptism may be lost therefore we will tho otherwise 't were impertinent give a true representation of that Matter The Doctor 's weak Evasions did force us to make our Answers evident beyond all Contradiction And thus we Argued If there were