the Notion of CHRIST's Government would be found Invaders of Christs Prerogative this compared with what he writes pag. 13. viz. That Spirit that would remove us from that Teacher that cannot be removed into a Corner to follow the Dictates of Fallible Men. Observe First We judge both these are unjust Reflections as well as unjustly applyed for we know no Outward Rules Orders Laws or Prescriptions practised among us that are the meer Dictates of Fallible men but such as Christ is originally the Author of and which answer his pure Law of Love of Truth within Secondly Our Adversary to prove us and our Meetings Apostate from the inward Teacher is very uncertain and frequently various in his Opposition as one while 't is against Outward Rules Orders c. another while against them as being the Dictates of Fallible men another while as being imposed or urged with too much Severity another while as Imposed on our Fellow Members without Conviction Sight or Sence of their Duty therein another while as being Innovations and such as Christs Light within parswades not to And so he is at a loss in his Uncertainty not assigning what those Rules Orders Laws or Prescriptions are that are liable to all these Exceptions which while he does not his Work and great Clutter and Noise therein appears very Impertinent and Contentious Silly and Rediculous And what are his chief Allegations against the Mens Meetings of our Friends See what follows Disaffect XIV W. R. 1st part pag. 16. That Mens Meetings have most usually CONSISTED of Men Uncertain in Numbers as well as to Qualifications may assume Power over Conscience under the Notion of the Church of Christ. Pag. 7. Persons Uncertain in Qualifications do take upon them to call themselves a General Meeting Query But do these Meetings most usually consist of such Persons Uncertain in Qualification No we deny that and take his own words to shew his Inconsistence therein viz W. R. pag. 12. Though we dare not conclude that none in those Meetings were Members of the Church Observe Then they are not all Uncertain in Qualifications Disaffect XV. W. R. pag. 7. concerning Friends said Meeting To be very plain we cannot but appeal to the Consciences of all such honourable Friends who are both Intelligent and Impartial whether some who have usually there assembled or may pretend Right to be Members thereof have not been false Accusers and Man-Pleasers and MANY OF THEM a sort of Persons who being Lovers of Preheminence and Time-Servers take that as an Opportunity to appear unto others that which they are not in themselves Observe These Accusations we do judge are not only Scandalous against many Friends but tending to the great Reproach and Scandal of our said Meeting and the Truth professed among us Disaffect XVI W. R. 1st part pag. 11. Sect. 3. 'T is well remembred that that one Man G. F. went some Years past into many parts of this Nation advising Friends to hold such Meetings viz. Monethly and Quarterly and in many places his Counsel was readily embraced but for our parts we understood not at that day that it was designed by him or any else that those Meetings should not only be accounted the Church but also such as professed the Truth ought to believe as this Church believes had he so exprest himself Testimonies would have risen as a Flood against such Darkness for this would have plainly appeared to us to have opened a Door whereby that Babylonish Rubbish which we had been long testifying against might have been exalted in one day Observe This passage we judge does greatly bespeak the Mans Enmity and perverse Jealousie both against G. F. and those Meetings to render him one that has acted upon some Hidden Selfish and Unchristian Design to set up an absolute Dominion in and by those Meetings over the Faith and Consciences of their Brethren which we utterly testifie against and look upon it to be very grosly Scandalous and Reproachful for the very Intent and Design of those Meetings hath been from the beginning manifest to be for the Service of the Lord his Truth and People in the Unity of true Faith and Love as Fellow-helpers one of another Query And why may not these Meetings be accounted the Church or any of them a Church of Christ when gathered in his Name and Fear Has not W. R. counted them such formerly Are none of them now worthy of the Name Church in his Esteem Would he Unchurch them all at once if so why does he come at any of them then But see his 3d part pag. 78. what he confesseth viz. That the Word CHURCH is most used in Scriptures with respect to Particular Congregations or Assemblies and pag. 79. Where two or three are gathered together in Christs Name there is the Church of Christ. And dare he say there is not so many as two or three that gather together in Christ's Name among us No he has confest He dare not conclude that none in those Meetings were Members of the Church 1st part pag. 12. Thus he shews his Uncertainty in his Gain-sayings Disaffect XVII W. R. pag. 14. 1st part An Eminent Person professing Truth being at Bristol did take occasion to signifie at a Mens Meeting held in that City to this Effect That in London and other parts of this Nation where such Meetings were usually held the Sence of the Generality hath been taken for the Sence of such Meetings comparing this with this Doctrine frequently of late published amongst us That the Apostacy shall never enter the generality more doth give us just occasion to be Jealous that our Opposers for the carrying on of THEIR DESIGNS against us have contrived this Method of carrying all things by the Generality or Major Number of Voices Observe He draws Inferences from his own perverse Jealousie still which we affirm are Unjustly deduced from what here he falsly pretends doth give just occasion thereof for such Designs and Contrivance to carry all things by the Major Number of Voices we plainly disown but by the Sence and Influence of the Power of God and Demonstration of Truth and where that makes the generality of one accord 't is no Design or Contrivance against Persons Query We ask him if he believes a general Apostacy shall come over the Church of Christ or enter the generality thereof in these latter dayes seeing he seems so much concerned against such a Doctrine as that the Apostacy shall never enter the generality more how then doth he consist with his own Confession 3d part pag. 77. viz. My Faith is that a Remnant will be preserved so watchful as that being built on the Rock Christ the Gates of Hell shall never prevail against them Disaffect XVIII W. R. pag. 21. 1st part Marginal Note This Sentence as Heirs of the Gospel of Life and Salvation take your Possessions of late Years frequently expressed by way of Encouragement to continue Mens and Womens Meetings By which means
That such a one is a dark separate Spirit which cannot be evidenced either by Doctrine or Conversation as if the Tree were not now to be known by its Fruits as in days past Had they not entertained unrighteous Jealousie we are perswaded they would not have testified against such as have approved themselves unto us no other than faithful Ministers of Christ sound in Doctrine and as blameless In Conversation as any Friends Compared with part 5. p. 91. That Rule which God Almighty as by a finger from Heaven hath laid down viz. BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHAL KNOW THEM Qu. Whether then sound Doctrine and blameless Conversations be not such Fruits Marks and Tokens whereby Persons may be known to be good Trees Members and Followers of Christ Jesus But W. R's Contradiction appears both wayes as in what follows also partly relating to the Contradictions before Preface p. 10. Insisting on Judging by Outward Fruits viz. If living well and holding forth nothing but sound Doctrine shall not be brought to the Measuring Line of Christ what Defence can there be aganst a Slanderous tongue Part 3. pag. 83. I therefore do reasonably conclude that the Infallible Mark whereby any Member of the Body is known to be in true Unity with the Body doth NOT consist in Profession and Belief of certain Principles and Doctrines and Practices DEPENDING THEREON which comprehends both well living holding forth nothing but sound Doctrine BUT in the Circumcision of the Heart and an answer of a good Conscience towards God p. 84. The most Infallible Mark and Token then of a Member in the true Unity of the Body of Christ is an inward Invisible Mark that cannot be stampt on any but by the Impression of Gods Power on the Heart Qu. Are not his Contradictions various and manifold One while no outward Marks and Tokens do Infallibly manifest the Members of the true Church Another while Living well and holding forth nothing but sound Doctrine shall be brought to the measuring Line of Christ i. e. ye shall know them by their Fruits another while the infallible Mark to know a Member of the Body in true Unity is an invisible Mark Stampt on the Heart by the Impression of God's Power 't is the inward Circumcision of the Heart and answer of a good Conscience it doth not consist in Profession and Belief of certain Principles and Doctrines no nor in any outward Marks and Practices THEREON DEPENDING especially if by no outward Marks or Tokens Christ's Members be to be known One while the Infallible Mark is Outward another while 't is Inward Again 't is Outward in sound Doctrine and Practices Again 't is NOT Outward but Inward One while 't is Visible Another while 't is Invisible Whereas there are really good Fruits both Inward and Outward Visible and Invisible proceeding from the true and holy Root of Life all manifest in the Light for be sure bad Fruits come from a bad Root and Spirit But to take the matter in W. R. his last sence viz. The most Infallible Mark and Token of a Member in the true Unity is an Invisible Mark And this grants an inward and Invisible Evidence from the Spirit of Christ and so a certain Sence and Judgment of Members in the true Unity and Members out of it beyond all outward Evidence Marks or Tokens and this Inward Sence and Judgment extends even to Mens Spirits certainly to discover whether they are right or wrong in true Unity or not in it And yet in giving any publick Judgment upon Persons as being in a Wrong Dividing Spirit there ought to be outward apparent Evidence Mark them which cause Divisions and Offences contrary to the Gospel and avoid them Those Divisions and Offences are somewhere evident though they be not Drunkards nor openly Gross or Scandalous in Conversation yet if they cause Division Schisms and Rent in the Church this may be easily evidenced and is to be condemned and we know of none judged among us on this account without some real Evidence of matter of Fact of this kind if any are we allow it not Part 1. pag. 7. Some Persons Uncertain in Number and Qualifications do take upon them to call themselves a General Meeting Pag. 16. Mens Meetings have MOST usually CONSISTED of Men Uncertain as to Qualifications c. may assume a Power over Consciences under the Notion of the Church of Christ. Pag. 12. We dare not conclude that none in those Meetings were Members of the Church Part 3. pag. 39. Where two or three are gathered together in Christ's Name there is the Church of Christ. Note If some of those Meetings be Members of the Church or gathered in Christs Name and so his Church then such are certainly Qualified they CONSIST not of men uncertain Part 1. p. 11. That one Man G. F. advising friends to hold such Meetings Monethly and Quarterly But for our parts we understood not at that Day that it was DESIGNED by him or any else that those Meetings should not only be accounted the CHURCH but also such as professed the Truth ought to believe * as his Church believes had he so exprest himself Testimonies would have arisen as a Flood against such Darkness Part 4. pag. 37. J. W. and J. S. do testifie thus viz. On the whole matter in the Fear and Presence of the Almighty God we declare That as we do APPROVE of Monethly and Quarterly Meetings for the necessary service of the truth so we further say that as these or any other Meetings of Friends in Truth shall be continued to answer these Services we believe that as it now is it also will become our Duty to be at UNITY with our Brethren in the Services thereof Part 3. pag. 74. * I confess the true Church is in the true Faith and every Member thereof is in some measure at least of the same faith that all the Elect of God are of So that it may in truth be said every Member of the Church doth in some measure believe as the rest of the Members do Note Qu. 1st Wherein have those Meetings declined the Service of Truth 2dly Then why not to be accounted the Church if two or three gathered in Christ's Name be the Church 3dly How comes W. R. to UNCHURCH them and yet they approved by his Friends 4thly How can every Member be in the same Faith if they believe not as the same Church doth Part 1. p. 12. 'T is now our concern to declare that whosoever hath or shall testifie that all those Meetings as usually held viz. Monethly and Quarterly were the Church of Christ hath and will appear to be such as know not whereof they affirm Part 3. pag. 78. The word Church is mostly used in Scriptures with respect to perticular Congregations or Assemblies Pag. 79. Where two or three are gathered together in Christs Name there is the Church of Christ Mat. 18. 19 20. Qu. Whether W. R. can prove that
by his Light in us or from the Scriptures of Truth since the Appearance of Christ in the Flesh to expect that any should be invested with Power from on High to establish such things relating to the Conscience muchless to expect that the Children of Light under the New Covenant should be led by the eternal Spirit and Word nigh in the Heart unto such a Conformity Part 3. pag. 82 83. 'T is a blessed thing for Brethren to dwell together in Love and Unity this ought to consist in the Truth I doubt not but there are many who are ready to conclude that an universal UNITY ought to be established in the Church by the assistance of OUTWARD INSTRUMENTS that as we are Members of one Body so we may not only be ONE in Faith ONE in Doctrine but also ONE in Practice with relation to Discipline Order OUTWARD FORMS of Government My Soul should rejoyce to see that day wherein we might all be SO led by the appearance of Christs Spirit in us under his Government which ought to be exalted over all as that THIS ONENESS might thereby be witnessed amongst all the Families of God's People at this day Qu. 1. Is it not evident that one while he declares that he and they have no ground to expect That Oneness which another while he should rejoyce to see the day we might all be led by Christ to witness it viz. Oneness in Faith Oneness in Doctrine Oneness in Practice Discipline Order and outward Forms of Government Qu. 2. How should that universal Unity be established by the assistance of outward Instruments or that Oneness in Faith Doctrine Practice Discipline Order and Forms of Government be witnessed by the leading of Christ's Spirit if we have no true Ground at all to expect that any should be invested with Power from on high to be Instrumental therein nor yet that the Children of the Light should be led into any such Conformity by the eternal Spirit Strange Confusion Part 2. pag. 27. Obj. How comes it to pass that divers among you called Quakers c. teling us that the Tree of Knowledge was NOT good for Food W. R's Answ. 'T is very true however that doth not prove that all such Expressions are according to Truth c. Pag. 28. As to the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil though the Scriptures do not positively declare whether it was good for Food or no a Father may command his Child not to eat an Apple his rebellious Eating would be no Argument that the Apple in it self is not good for Food P. 29. We know not on what foot of Truth any one can assert that the Tree of Knowledge is not good for Food as in it self Part 2. page 29. I would NOT be understood to reflect on ALL that have used that Expression viz. THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE IS NOT GOOD FOR FOOD because I question not but many have so expressed themselves to shew forth that if we should feed upon or admire any excellent Qualification or Endowment whatsoever not have the Eye of our Mind chiefly unto the Giver we might then come to a loss even as Adam did Qu. 1. If he counts the Doctrine Erronious or not of the Truth to say that the Tree of Knowledge is not good for Food does not this reflect on all that have used that Expression Qu. 2. And is it not Erroneous and Ignorance in W. R. not only to esteem the Tree of Knowledge an Excellent Qualification or Endowment but to compare it to THAT which is a DISCOVERER of Good and Evil and to the Knowledge of the only true God and Jesus Christ which is Life eternal quoting John 17. 3. pag. 28. And in Commendation of the Tree of Knowledge to prove it good for Food to add that 'T is EVIDENT that Knowledge is the Way to Life Qu. 3. Did God forbid the Knowledge of himself the Knowledge which is Life Eternal that Knowledge which is the Way to Life to Man in that state of Innocency in the beginning Let this be considered Qu. 4. Can it be good Doctrine to say that the Serpent perswaded Eve to that Knowledge which is the Way to Life or to the Knowledge of the true God and Jesus Christ which is Life Eternal Could THAT be the Knowledge that God forbad Man to eat of Were not this very Absurd to render the Serpent more kind to Man than his Maker was W. R. Part 2. pag. 43. We are so far from condemning all those who pay THEM that is Tythes and not as by constraint that we look upon it to be the DUTY of ALL professing Christianity to contribute c. And if the Charity of any should be such as to bestow upon them i. e. their Ministers one FIFTH part instead of a TENTH far be it from us to coudemn it Part 4. p. 39. J. W. and J. S. in their Testimony viz. As to TYTHES we can in Truth say 'T was never so much as in our Hearts to speak any words whatsoever with the least intent to strengthen any in the Payment thereof nor yet to weaken the Faith of any having a Testimony in our Hearts that TYTHES as at this day paid are ANTICHRISTIAN And Part 4. pag. 9. in J. W's Answer viz. I brought in a Testimony AGAINST TYTHES NO such word spoken by me as to put an Indifferency concerning Testimonies for God against the GRAND OPPRESSION of TYTHES the word of Life to stir them up with Testimonies against the GRAND OPPRESSION of TYTHES Observe Qu. VVhether the Liberty W. R. has here granted for the free Payment of Tythes be not an Innovation tending to beget into a Looseness and Apostacy from our Antient Christian Testimony against Tythes And whether it be not Contradictory to J. W. and J. S. their Testimony cited by himself against TYTHES Part 1. pag. 48. W. R. excepts against R. B's affirming That the Church of Christ hath power in some cases that are matters of Conscience to give positive Sentence or Decision which may be obligatory upon Believers and that their giving a positive Sentence in such cases will not import tyranny neither will the pretences of any Contradicting them or refusing to submit on the account THEY SEE IT NOT excuse them of being GUILTY of disobeying God W. R. objects viz. Clearly shews to us his meaning to be that in SOME CASES the Consciences of Believers ought to be bound by the positive Sentence of others THIS Meaning and Government we take to be contrary to the Principle of Truth and Liberty we have in Christ Jesus Part 1. pag. 43. Whereas it s jealoused some are run into Looseness and say The Light in my Conscience condemns me not and therefore 't is the Care of FAITHFUL BRETHREN to appear AS WATCH MEN OVER THE FLOCK WE SAY SO TOO And those who approve themselves WATCHMEN will endeavour to Convince such who in very deed run into Looseness c. that though they may
false Reports and the like The Matters of Fact wherein he can place a real Difference as to Church-Order and Discipline may be summed up in this narrow Compass under these Heads viz. I. W. R. and some others his Party seem to be ONLY for a select Company of Elders and Deacons to order in Church-Affairs about the Poor Marriages c. Our Meetings in that case are more free and open for others also of the Younger sort to be present whose Conversations are Honest and Sober II. W. R. in his Contest with R. B. seems not to own that the Church of Christ hath Power or Right of Judgment to decide Controversies in matter of Evil Fact or Trespass of one Brother against another in things of outward Property c. but only the Parties differing to have an equal Choice of Persons to determine the Difference yet he varyes and is not altogether consistent with himself but is some-what off and on in these cases as is more fully evinced in this Treatise Whereas we distinguish between a wilfull Injury and an Offence whether real or supposed only through mistake In the first the real not supposed Offender has not an equal right of Choice with the Offended but the Offended Brother hath Power to proceed with the Offending according to the Doctrine and Order prescribed by Christ Mat. 18. 15 16 17. so far as if there be necessity to make his Complaint to the Church and if he refuse to hear the Church then he is to be accounted as an Heathen Man accordingly we assert the Power and Right of Judgment in the true Light to be in the Church of Christ in cases of real Trespass of one Brother against another which is not to set the general Judgment of Truth in the Church in opposition to any measure of true Light and Judgment in any particular Member but to the real Offence which the Light in all condemns In the second Where the Offence is not wilfull but through Mistake both the Parties differing are more easily perswaded either to compose the matter between themselves or to submit to a hearing and determination of two or three just judicious and discreet Persons in the Truth whom neither Party hath any just Exception against III. They are against proposing Marriages before the distinct Meetings of faithful Women amongst us We judge it very convenient and sociable to lay them before those Meetings where they are settled IV. They are against recording Condemnations to Posterity VVe judge it needful in many Cases for the clearing us from Reproach and vindicating of Truth and that both the Condemnations and Repentance be recorded and Testimonies kept against such as continue Impenitent whose Conversations are reproachful and scandalous to Truth and to our Society as a People gathered by the Lord's Power Now if these things seem inconsiderable to divide and seperate upon and that they might easily be accommodated or reconciled upon amicable conference We say so too therefore the greater is the Enmity of that Spirit that will seperate on any of them cast the odiums of Imposition Apostacy Innovations c. upon us for our Christian Care and Advice about them urging with Severity we need not among our tender-hearted Friends and 't is to no purpose to those that are in prejudice and hardness only we would have them who profess the same Light and Spirit with us to studdy to be quiet that whilst they pretend Liberty of Conscience they might not maintain Opposition to others for those things which they are Conscientious in the Light of Truth in the Practice and Counsel of for that were to plead Liberty of Conscience to themselves and allow it to none but themselves Whereas our pleading for Liberty of tender Conscience to the outward Powers was never intended for a Liberty to make Discord Schisms or Strife among our selves but singly as a People intending nothing but Love and Unity among our selves in Gods Way and Worship a Liberty of Conscience in Christ Jesus as to us from those outward Laws Penalties and Persecutions which we have suffered under NOT a Liberty from the Yoke of Christ nor from the Judgment of Truth nor from Unity or good Order in him no more than a Liberty of gross Enormities from the hand of Justice not a Liberty for Disorder and Confusion not a Liberty to set Conscience against Conscience under the Profession of the same Light and Spirit of Christ as the great and certain Rule of Conscience for that were to let up Ranterism and cause our Adversaries to Blaspheme against the true Light As for W. R's Book against Church-Government 't is outragiously Wicked Clamorous and Abusive it admits of no Mediation nor moderate Qualification or Accommodation no better Character than Apostates and Innovators will serve his turn against the very Body of Friends who are not of his Party his Book is revengeful and scornful it gratifies the Ranters and Atheists and tends to make our Enemies rejoyce and us a scorn to Fools if they take him for a Quaker which now he is not it tends in many things to expose us not only to the Censure of our profest Adversaries but to the Fury of our Persecutors and to bring open Persecution upon us by Implicity rendring us Obnoxious to the outward Government The Lord rebuke that Malicious Proud Spirit from whence his Book came and he will rebuke it and send it to its place and stop the Mouth of Iniquity for his Name and Seed's sake His Title Christian-Quaker is a false Title as his Unchristian Work evinceth His Text also which he begins with is Mis-applyed viz. the words of Christ which are As I hear I judge this is his Text. 1st As it s applyed only to outward Hearing and Evidence 't is Misapplyed Christ intended his hearing of the Father and that true and just Judgment given him of the Father who bore witness of him John 5. 30. ch 8. 16 18. And the Father hath committed all Judgment to the Son Joh. 5. 22. for Christ had and gives also a spiritual Judgment that is not after the sight of the Eyes nor after the hearing of the Ears Isa. 11. 3. yet in Cases Criminal Infamous and Injurious we grant outward and certain Evidence Proof and Knowledge very needful safe and judicial though a true and spiritual Discerning Sence Judgment of Spirits in the Church of Christ cannot in Truth be denyed it being a spiritual gift But 2dly As the said Text As I hear I judge is applyed by W. R. to himself or his Judgment in 's Book 't is Hypocritically and Unjustly applyed for he has not given Judgment as he has learned or heard of God or Christ but in many things as he has heard by Reports and from his own Jealousies according to his common phrase If Reports be true this Jealousie has entred me I am Jealous full of Jealousie c. which we are sure proceeded not from God nor
his Instance of that Epistle being publick before his Book for his Intention of Printing as also his often Threatning to Print was a long time before that Epistle ever was in being and when he gave his said Supplymental Reasons in his Postscript on the 10th of November 1680. he had Printed his Treatise except the Postscript Index and Errata as he confesseth the 8th of November 1680. being the same day that Epistle came to his Hands and therefore his Intention of Printing and Publishing Divisions could have no Relation to that Epistle as any Cause or Reason of his Intention And how could that Epistle be any Reason of his Printing when it was not in being till after he had Printed a great part of his Book in the Five Parts of it 4thly If he yet alledge That in the Title Page of the said Epistle 't is said to be Printed by Andrew Sowle and to be sold at his Shop in Devonshire-Buildings and that therefore he was the more concerned for the Publication of his Book when it was Printed To this we say That Addition shewing by whom it was Printed and Sold was the Printer's own Addition and not the Authors and yet suitable enough for him to add being cautioned in the same Title Page how far it was intended by the Authors to be published being plainly Recommended to Friends in Truth chiefly for the sake of the Weak and Unstable-minded for Information and Encouragement in our Christian Unity and Society held in the Spirit of Christ both in Faith and Practice as their words are so that the Advice where to have that Epistle was for Friends to whom it was recommended that they might know where to have it whereas W. R. has given no such Caution in his Title page but leaves his whole Book and Friends Reflected on therein to the Censure and Judgment of the World Unbelievers and Truth 's Adversaries to the great Scandal and Reproach of Truth and Friends in it Qu. But hath not W. R. placed the Publication of his Book upon a higher Motion and Necessity than the occasion pretended of the aforesaid Epistle Answ. Yes a far higher and what is it 'T is upon such a great concern of Conscience pretended that the Publication of it could no longer be forborn The Accounts he gives in the case are these viz. So great a concern of Conscience lies on many to encourage the Publication thereof as that we can no longer forbear lest it should be reputed that the Doctrine and Life of Christianity were wholly extinct among the aforesaid People as in his Preface And pag. 77. 1st part The Righteous God bears us Record that the very reason why this Treatise is now prepared is because our very Consciences on behalf of God's People are concerned Thus far William Rogers William Ford the Subscribers Note That these high Pretences of Conscience both for the Preparation and Publication of their Book as that they could no longer forbear must needs be before 't was Printed here was two great concerns in the case the one to Prepare it the other to Print or Publish it by Printing both which Concerns were before the aforesaid Epistle of A. Whitehead and M. Elson was in being at least before ever W. R. knew or saw that Epistle and therefore that Epistle could not be the cause of such concern of Conscience to Prepare Print or Publish W. R's great and Chargeable Book besides it may be observed that all the Allegations used by some of his Party for the Publication of his Book as about G. F's not giving him a Meeting or not giving it under his hand to meet him appear but meer Pretences and slight Covers having placed a Necessity to encourage the Publication thereof upon a higher and more absolute concern of Conscience as namely to prevent such a Misrepute as that of the Doctrine and Life of Christianity being wholly extinct amongst the People called Quakers And there 's not the least Colour or Pretence of Reason that this Danger should be placed either upon the said Epistle or upon G. F's not meeting W. R. in his time This his pretence of such concern of Conscience is far higher than these But if it shall yet be pretended by any that G. F's not giving W. R. a Meeting was cause of his publishing his Book Then how Unjust and grosly Unreasonable was it to expose the Names of divers other Faithfull Friends in Print and that to Infamy without any such particular Offer to them and Refusal on their parts Moreover W. R. is so far from proving himself Just or Righteous in his proceeding to Print by those Instances he gives of a Publication of Divisions by Declaration by Manuscript and by Printing that his great Injustice and Iniquity therein appears there being no just Comparison between these so far as he yet gives Instances and his great Book in Print either as to the Nature Quality or Quantity For 1st What he mentions of Declaration in their Meetings if it were all true it was not published in Print to the World until he himself did it neither do we understand that such Unprinted Declaration can Equalize his Book in the Pernicious Nature and Tendence of it in many particulars which are Scandalous to us as a People and against divers honest Men by Name and not only so but 't is against Church-Government and Order among us 2dly The Forty Four Articles he mentions were not in Print nor the Paper of Sixty Six nor the Narrative at Drawell nor were these ever intended to be exposed in Print or to the World as his Book is but to be reserved within the Church till matters might be cleared and Reconciliation and Union effected which divers faithful Friends among us have earnestly desired and travelled for whose Work and Reward is with the Lord though this Perverse Spirit turns all into Bitterness Gall and Wormwood 3dly And as to that Epistle written by a Publick Preacher as he saith Post. pag. 26. that was not in Print nor any Persons by Name reflected on in it though mention be made in it of Rents Schisms Contention Strife Distraction Discord c. A faithful Testimony was therein given against the Spirit of Discord Division and Separation refering it to the Witness of Truth in all Consciences and the Spirit of Judgment in themselves to make the Application to Persons and not by Name to Infamize any G. Whitehead owns the said Epistle and saith he hath stood by it and hopes ever to stand by the Testimony and tender Counsel therein in the same Spirit that moved him to write it as also that since W. R. has made such an occasion and pretence of it to justifie his own proceeding to Print he had done him more Right if he had printed it together among others in his Book which Epistle and the publick reading of it was approved by divers of W. R's own Friends And what if it were read in such a publick
and Hypocrisie to profess our selves Members thereof Dare he say that to believe in God as the true Church believes is Unsound Doctrine But be it noted how he hath contradicted himself in confessing to that which he hath made a Section against as before see his Third Part pag. 74. his words are these viz. I confess the true Church is in the true Faith and every Member thereof is in some Measure at least of the same Faith that all the Elect of God are of so that it may in Truth be said every Member of the Church doth in some Measure believe as the rest of the Members do Behold here he hath granted the matter which he hath made so much ado against in his 4th Section of his 1st Part aforesaid Thus one while he Opposeth another while he Grants the Thing Opposed one while he Condemns another while Retracts but that we do not impute to his Ingenuity but to his Enmity Inadvertency and Discomposedness and Prolixity in his writing Disaffect XII W. R. first part pag. 9. He frames the Objection viz. 'T is true Friends in the beginning were turned to the Light in their own Consciences as their Guide but when it pleased the Lord to gather so great a number into the Knowledge and Belief of the Truth as were in few Years gathered then the Heavenly Motion came upon G. F. as the Lord 's Anointed and Chosen having the care of the Churches as being the great Apostle of Christ Jesus and as one whom the Lord had ordained to be in that place amongst the Children of Light in this our day as Moses was amongst the Children of Israel in his day to set forth Methods and Forms of Church-Government and to establish Monethly and Quarterly-Meetings of Men and of Women distinct from Men c. Observe Here he has heaped up divers matters to make up this Objection as one scraping up and devising what he can to render us odious never was any such intire Objection made by any real Quaker he has framed it much like an open Adversary and then deduceth his own Positions and Inferences to render Friends who are for outward Order and Methods in the Church not only weak and silly in their Arguing but Apostates from the Light in their Consciences to which they were turned in the beginning The design of this whole Objection forged by him is to render us a People departed from the Light and Law of Christ within to set up Man and Men's Precepts instead thereof which is wicked and scornful tending also to render the very Profession of the heavenly Motion Contemptible which heavenly Motion in opposition to his Contempt and Scorn we affirm came not only on G. F. but also on many other faithful Brethren for due Methods and Order as to Church-Government no wayes repugnant to the Light of Christ within And for G. F. though an Apostle and Servant of Christ yet to be in this our Gospel day in that very place amongst the Children of Light as Moses was amongst the Children of Israel in his day This Comparison we own not nor does G. F. own it for it is to render the Gospel day of Christ no brighter than Moses's Day under the Law and the Children of Light in this Gospel Day as in no further Dispensation than the Children of Israel under the Law but such Doctrine we utterly disown neither does G. F. own the Comparison but as a faithfull Servant of Christ his Labour was and is to turn People to Christ his Light and Spirit in them neither he nor we do own any Sect Masters nor making of Sects among us but seek to bring all to the Universal Spirit and Unity and Bond of Peace in Christ Jesus and we all as Servants of Christ and Sufferers for his Name and Testimony and do own the Dispensation of Christ as far excelling that of Moses as being more bright inward and spiritual for thus far only the Comparison in Scripture is between Moses and Christ Heb. 3. 1 2 3. Consider the Apostle and High-Priest of our Profession Christ Jesus who was faithful to him that appointed him as also Moses was faithfull in all his House for this man was counted of more Glory than Moses inasmuch as he who buildeth the House hath more honour than the House and Moses was faithfull in all his House as a Servant but Christ as a Son over his own House see vers 4 5 6. But farther observe our Adversaries Jealousie in this Case namely in his 4th Part pag. 83 84. W. R. in his Letter to G. F. dated Bristol the 27th of the 1st Moneth 1677. Among other things this Jealousie enters me viz. That thou lookest upon thy self that man at least in whom the Son of God hath appeared to give forth his Law and to be recorded as his Law under the Dispensation of the Gospel even as Moses was the giver forth of the Law in that day if this be so c. And in his Margenal Note on the same passage he hath these words viz. The Reader may take notice that G. F. in his Letter on the 14th of the 11th Moneth 1676. hints at something written by me to him thus And thou meaning my self sayest that there is a Spirit risen at this day that gives many occasion to be Jealous that thou meaning G. F. art looked upon by some AS THAT Prophet which Moses testified of that God would raise up c. And thou sayst Christ is that Prophet that is to be heard c. and he is the only Lawgiver and no outward man Observe We testifie against W. R's Jealousie and the Jealousie of those he represents against G. F. as tending to Persecution and that the Jealousie of his being looked upon by some as that Prophet which Moses testified of that God would raise up viz. Christ Jesus is not only in it self a Jealousie tending to Cruelty and Persecution but a Jealousie that proceeds from Enmity and Darkness and not only so but this Jealousie is contradicted by W. R. his own Jealousie that has entred him viz. of G. F's looking upon himself that Man IN whom the Son of God hath appeared and not only so but confesseth that G. F. thus answers viz. Then is not this Prophet meaning Christ to be in man to give forth his Law c And what I am I am by the Grace and Love of God c. 4th part pag. 83 84. Marg. Note Mark how W. R. has gone about to accuse and bespatter G. F. and others with his own and others Jealousies though inconsistent as well as he shews himself Impertinent and Envious in his writing against the Servants of Christ who confess Christ to be in Man and not themselves to be Christ. Disaffect XIII W. R. 1st part pag. 4. And that whosoever should endeavour by Outward Wayes and Means to establish an Outward Government and Outward Rules Orders Laws or Prescriptions OVER the Heritage of God under
to execute or put in Practice outward Prescribed Instructions and Orders c. nor against such outward Prescriptions and Orders being given forth by the Spirit of God through one or more Men or Persons in this our day for there are many wholsome and binding Rules Precepts and Commands outwardly recorded in the Scriptures of Truth that proceeded from the holy Spirit in the Servants of God and Christ which are now renewed by the same Spirit in his Servants but his Objection is against their being given forth with intent to be obeyed by others whether they see it their Duty or not wherein the Objection does not only vary from that in his Title Page but is very Frivolous and Loose and will serve only for a pretence to Loose Spirits who to evade just Precepts and Instructions proceeding from the Spirit of Truth in the Servants and Ministers of Christ will be apt to pretend They see it not their Duty which yet is no proof that any thing Just and Lawfull in it self is not their Duty On the other hand seeing whatever Precept Direction or Command is given forth from the Spirit of Truth which concerns our Duty either towards God or Man and the keeping a Conscience void of Offence towards both is not given forth to be left Indifferent as to be Accepted or Rejected but to be put in Practice it cannot reasonably be supposed That the Spirit of Truth in that Case leaves the Conscience without Evidence or the Creature to whom it directs in such Blindness as not to see that a Duty which in it self is Just and Righteous having a necessary Tendence to that Godly Righteous and Sober Life which the Grace of God Universally appears to teach and lead men into and therefore for any professing Truth and the Guidance of the Spirit and Light thereof to pretend That Spirit may through Instruments direct such Orders and Rules unto them as they see not to be their Duty This will not excuse them in the Day of the Lord for if they sin against Sight and Knowledge given of God that is their Rebellion and Stubbornness if they are become Blind and Ignorant of what 's their Duty towards God or Man through their own careless Neglect of his Grace given them they are justly condemnable therein their want of Sight proceeding from their idle Sloath and want of Diligence if he grants that every one has a measure of the true Light and Spirit On the other hand whatever is really any ones Duty in relation to a good Conscience it cannot be livingly and acceptably performed as in God's sight without keeping in a true Sight and Sence of that divine Light and holy Spirit which is near to shew man his Duty both in shunning Evil and doing good as also to lead him into all Truth as he gives up to it and attends upon its Guidance But further the Members of Christ the true and spiritual Believers have so much inward sence and feeling of those outward Instructions and Precepts that proceed from the Spirit of Truth in their Brethren that they have Unity therewith and have some discerning of the Nature good Tendence and End thereof and even such as are but weak in the Faith being tender and honest-hearted as the Lord layes no more upon them than what they can bear so they are so far from opposing any thing of God's Counsel through his Servants which they have not a present sight of that they apply their Hearts to the Lord with diligent Attention that he may reveal that unto them For in assurance of God's revealing what should be needful to the true Believers in the Primitive Christians dayes as they walked by one and the same Rule and minded the same thing the Apostle to the Philipians saith If in any thing ye be otherwise minded God shall reveal even this unto you Phil. 3. 15. and to the Thessalonians We have Confidence in the Lord touching you that ye both do and will do the things which we command you 2 Thess. 3. 4. The true Ministers and Servants of Christ writ and spoke in a Holy Confidence in Christ Jesus and preached in Much Assurance that their Testimony would meet with Reception in the Hearts of them who received the Love of Truth They did not leave the Concerns of Truth and of the Churches of Christ relating to Unity or good Order upon Loose and Indifferent Terms as when the Spirit of the Lord required them to Teach Exhort or Command any thing needful to be practised in Churches of Christ with respect to good Order Society Unity and Holiness of Conversation they faithfully signified it and did not leave the matter loose and indifferent in this wise viz. These things we are required of the Lord to signifie to you as very needfull in such and such Cases but they are not Binding upon you you need not Practise them unless you see them to be your Duty or if the Lord doth not let you see them to be your Duty you may let them alone you are not Bound to Practise any thing we Preach Direct or Counsel you to do if you do not see it to be your Duty This would be a very feeble kind of Preaching and bespeak such Inconsistency and Distrust in their Testimony as if the Lord would not open their Eyes to see that which his Spirit Directs to and Leads his Servants to Testifie and not only so but such kind of Loose Indifferent Preaching would be a means to leave them Blind and Dim-sighted who are so instead of opening their Eyes by the plain Evidence of the Spirit and Power of God whereas the true Ministers and Servants of Christ by the Manifestation of Truth did commend themselves to every mans Conscience in the sight of God as having Faith Confidence and Assurance That they should have an Evidence and Answer in the Conscience being unto God a sweet savour of Christ in them that were saved and in them that perished to the one the savour of Death unto Death and to the other the savour of Life unto Life 2 Cor. 2. 15 16. They preacht both in Assurance and Divine Authority These things Command and Teach Preach the Word be Instant in Season out of Season Reprove Rebuke Exhort with all Long-suffering and Doctrine I Charge thee c. Charge them that are Rich c. In such Terms Paul writ to Timothy And concerning a Bishop or Overseer and Elder in the Church he gives the Description to Titus how he must be Qualified Titus 1. 5 6 7 8 9. Holding fast the faithfull Word as he hath been taught that he may be able by sound Doctrine both to Exhort and Convince the Gainsayers And blessed be the Lord we know nothing we practise among us as a People gathered by him in our Assemblies and Congregations either in respect to Unity Church-Government Order or Discipline but such things as we have the Evidence of the Spirit of God for the Practice of
and have a Tendence towards the great Ends of true Religion and Christian Society as having a Godly Care among us over one another the Strong to help the Weak and that all may be preserved out of the World 's Evil Wayes and Polutions in that pure Religion that is to Visit the Fatherless and Widows and keep Unspotted of the World so as we may provoke one another to Love and Good Works and to serve one another in Love as the Primitive Christians did knowing that all our Care and the very Intent of our Proceedings in the Church of Christ are for these Ends and all center in that Love which is the fulfilling of the Law and having these things in our Eye we can the more easily concur and accord as to Circumstances and outward Methods and in the Wisdom of God so condescend one to another and accommodate matters as not to divide about them and therefore we do profess seriously we see no real Cause or valid Reason our Opposer shews for the great Noise and Rumble he makes about outward Laws Prescriptions Orders Edicts or Decrees outward Form of Government Apostacy Innovations Impositions Lording over Faith over Conscience c. whilst he shews us no Unjust no Unlawful nor Uncomely Order or Proceedings among us as a People nor yet gives us any Instances or Catalogue of those Impositions Innovations New Doctrines or Practices brought in and received among us which are either Inconsistent with our first Testimony to the Light and Grace of God within and the Teachings thereof or thereby condemned as Evil or wholly Unnecessary in themselves He should have given us a Catalogue of those Innovations he complains of and what Order and Methods he would prescribe to the contrary whether any or none and not go to fill the Peoples Ears with a general Clamour of Apostacy Innovations and Impositions scandalously to render us as bad as the Church of ROME He often charges us with Uncertain Qualified Persons that usually Assemble in our Meetings which concern the Affairs of the Church among us Which is a very Impertinent Objection for granting some Persons Uncertainly or not Rightly Qualified may come into such Meetings such sway not the Meetings in Truth 's Affairs but there is an Eye to the Universal Power of God to sway and rule in our Proceedings and Concerns of Truth and what Reason and Evidence is in Truth given in matters before us these have place in our Meetings and 't is very needfull that some that are not grown into the Exercise of Help and Government in the Church who are Honest-minded should be present at such Meetings that they may have the Advantage thereof in order to their furtherance in the Truth and Service as the Lord shall make them capable for the least sound Member hath its Service in the Body But W. R. appears not of the Apostles Mind who said Those Members of the Body which seem to be more feeble are necessary and those Members of the Body which we think to be less honourable upon these we bestow more abundant Honour c. see 1 Cor. 12. 22 23 24. and Chap. 9. 22. we do not disgrace them in Print as W. R. hath done and therefore those our Meetings are not confined to a Select Number for our Opposer grants That the Children of God may be Instrumental in his Hand to Establish one another in the Faith of God's Elect 3d part pag. 12. as also pag. 19. he has these words viz. I am abundantly satisfied that set and appointed Meetings on certain prefixed dayes being with the joynt Concurrence of those Members assembling and from time to time to be assembled to take care of the Poor and discharge other Charitable Duties to inspect Marriages that none come together Disorderly and to take Care that Truth may not be Scandalized through the backsliding of such who have been in fellowship with the Children of Light are not Inconsistent with that FORM that the Power of God may lead into for I am a Witness for many Years past even to this day that such Meetings have been serviceable to answer those Righteous ends Observe He has here granted the point for Church-Government to his own Confutation and that which is the end of such our Assemblies What 's then his complaint of Rules outward Orders Forms of Government c And who among the Children of Light do not see these to be needful as well as serviceable And what Forms Prescriptions Rules or Laws are executed or put in Practice among us which tend not to answer those Righteous Ends to wit the taking care of the Poor discharge of other Charitable Duties inspecting Marriages to prevent disorder therein and to take care that Truth be not Scandalized through the back-slidings of such who have been in Fellowship among us These are the very Righteous Ends and Services intended and aimed at in those our Meetings which being granted in the General we would ask this Person or any one adhereing to him 1st What are those Innovations he complains of among us in respect to an outward Order Discipline and Form of Government 2dly What Impositions Orders Prescriptions Laws or Rules can he justly charge the People called QUAKERS who are not of his Party withal which the Spirit of Truth hath not Unity with and which therefore the Members of Christ's Body and Children of Light are not obliged to obey or practise as not seeing it their Duty Disaffect XLIII And seeing he affirms That the People of the Lord called Quakers are in the Practice of many things with respect to Church-Discipline wherein the Scriptures treating of those things given forth by Christ and his Apostles are silent Third part pag. 20. compared with what he affirms pag. 24. That part of that outward Order in Discipline wherein divers of the People of the Lord called Quakers have been acted is such as that there is not the least Foot-steps thereof to be found in the Scriptures as Exhorted to or as Practised by the Apostles And what suppose this were true which yet we do not grant him so long as they are the People of the Lord and they waiting on him he is their Shepherd and Guide by his holy Spirit and Principle of Truth within which leads not contrary to any Wholsome and Evangelical Precept or Christian Conversation and Practice recorded in the holy Scriptures And W. R. so far Answers himself in this matter as that he grants The Principle of Truth in these latter dayes hath and may lead into the Practice of OUTWARD ORDER in Discipline with relation to the Church of Christ. Whereby he assents to a higher Rule than the Scriptures namely the Principle of Truth and then the Question is 1st What those many things are with respect to Church Discipline wherein the Scriptures are silent We find him only in reference to this point telling us thus 3d part pag. 24. viz. I could give many Instances hereof but one
themselves for that was the undoubted Sence of those honourable Brethren who knew a travel of Spirit for the gathering of those who in the beginning of this latter day were gathered as a sort of first Fruits unto God Here he has granted Order for Gospel-Discipline springing from Truth within which answers his general Oppositions to outward Order Form and Discipline WHereas William Rogers hath concerned by way of Reflection the second dayes Meeting of Friends in London which is the Morning Meeting at E. H. his Chamber in his Book entituled The Christian-Quaker distinguished from the Apostate and Innovator This Treatise entituled The Accuser of our Brethren cast down c. is signed by the agreement and on the behalf of the said Meeting by Ellis Hookes London the 1st day of the 6th Moneth 1681. A Postscript Partly by way of Question and partly some Friends Sence on W. R's way of Writing SEeing William Rogers has taken so much occasion at the Printed Epistle of two Sheets by Anne Whitehead and Mary Elson as the Principal Instance for his proceeding to Print and Publish his Book the Question is Whether some of Party with William Rogers did not publish several Parts of his Book to divers Persons whilst it was designed to be published by single Parts and before the said Epistle by Anne Whitehead and Mary Elson was writ or designed for the Press And whether William Rogers did not assent or give way to their so doing He informing the Reader That though the five Parts of his Treatise be bound up together yet 't was once designed that they should be also published by single Parts The Question still is If some of those Parts were not published in single Parts as before Let William Rogers or any of his Party deny it if they can And was not this a Publication in Print every one of his five Parts being designed for a single Book as well as to be Bound together in one Volumn 'T is true as he saith That some things he should have said many things are often inserted and the wording of other things not so Proper and Concise as might be Pref. Cond For indeed many things are often inserted and Improperly as well as Impertinently reiterated after a tedious manner and in a perplexed perverse way The Stile and Method is not Compendious nor Succinct nor yet plain or easie to be understood by Persons unacquainted with his Knotty and Fallacious way of Writing and long deviating Parenthesis much of it looks asquint and with two Faces it s writ as by a Person upon various Reserves and Provisions to save his Head from an expected Blow It appears to be no Simple or Innocent way of Writing or clear Oratory 't is neither pleasant in the Manner nor in the Matter to a Clear Ingenuous or Tender Conscience It makes a show and flourish of Conscience Reason and Religion but appears void of all and much of it but like a HOCUS POCUS or LEGER DEMAIN upon a strict and clear Inspection with the Light of Truth into the matter and manner of it Something of Concern added by another Hand WHereas there is a false Jealousie begot in some of our Adversaries and Opposers That we would impose things upon them that have not Sence do not See and have not Faith in them to act without Faith in a blind Obedience which is utterly false and against our Principle to Impose any thing upon Senceless Blind and Faithless People And now all you that have opposed us without Sence Sight and Faith your Senceless Blind and Faithless Opposition hath not pleased God for without Faith none can please God and where there is Faith there is Sence and Sight and God never accepted the BLIND for a SACRIFICE neither do his Faithful Spiritual People And therefore we say and declare to all our Opposers Let them return to the Light Spirit Truth and Grace which at first convinced them and judge down the contrary and in that we can receive them And let them call in all their Papers and the Book which they have given forth in Print since they went out from their Unity with Friends in the Spirit of God and come again to it and with it condemn and judge all that they have given forth tending to Division since they went out from the Spiritual Union and Fellowship and let J. S. and J. W. take out their Names from the Paper of Separation as also the rest of them that are left behind in the Seperation in which Paper they say That some of other Counties and some amongst themselves not chosen by the Churches have come and intermeddled with them and with their Business and usurped Authority over them whom they never gave Power to So that if they who yet remain in the Seperation will burn this Paper and condemn and testifie against that Spirit that gave it forth and not pretend themselves to give People Power in the Churches Affairs calling others Usurpers of Authority whom they have not given Power to and so to set up mans Power to do Business in the Church of God and if they will condemn this Power of their own leave every Man and Woman to the Light Grace and Truth Spirit and Gospel which they have from Christ Jesus in which all receive Christ Jesus their Lord from Heaven who gives Power to become his Sons and Daughters and to meet in his Power in this Light Grace and Truth Spirit and Power which is received from Christ in which is our Order and Fellowship we say as we feel them come into this we can receive them and not otherwise We are Men of Peace and are in the Peaceable Gospel and in the Kingdom of Peace and would have all Mankind come into Peace the Covenant of Peace Grace Light and Life and also we would have these return again that have been Opposers to come to the Spirit and Gospel of Jesus that they are gone from that in it we might have Peace with them without it is not the Eternal Peace And as we are concerned to bring to Truth such as were never convinced so we Travel for their Return to Truth that are gone from it that they may come again to that which did at first convince them of it THE END ERRATA Friends and Friendly Readers YOu are desired to amend these being the most Material Faults that have escaped the Press according to this Errata As for litteral Faults and Mis-pointings they may be perceived by the Matter in reading Page 5. line 19. for Afficious read Officious pag. 24. line 29. for heirs read theirs p. 39. l. 25. r. Retracts his Sentence p. 42. l. 8. r. counted worthy p. 44. l. 29. f. various r. varyes p. 71. l. 26. f. two r. to p. 78. l. 18. f. Also r. All. p. 79. l. 17. r. Offenders p. 89. l. 6. f. Christ's r. Christ. p. 93. l. 2. f. Conscious r. Conscientious l. 26. r. Parties p. 114. l.
Meetings which he Reflects upon whether by Name or not Named in his Book and that his Book is in Pursuance of the Title as appears at large in it this we judge to be both False and Scandalous and also as absolute a Sentence of Excommunication and much like a Bull from Rome against many faithful Servants of Christ And herein hath W. R. unjustly assumed a Power of Excommunication never given him by Christ Jesus our Lord nor allowed by his Church In the Title pages of his three first Parts he writes thus viz. Disaffect II. By WILLIAM ROGERS on behalf of himself and other Friends in Truth concerned To those he writes against he gives these Titles viz. Preface Adherents to George Fox Apostates or Innovators George Fox his Party Those of Party with G. F. c. Observe First We cannot believe that W. R. in this his Book truly represents Friends in Truth But secondly That many Friends in Truth are Scandalized and Abused thereby Disaffect III. William Rogers's Preface saith Now so it is that so great a concern of Conscience lies on many to encourage the Publication thereof as that we can no longer forbear lest it should be reputed that the Doctrine and Life of Christianity were wholly extinct amongst the aforesaid People Observe This Passage we also judge tends to the great Reproach and Scandal of the People called Quakers as implying that they by a great Apostacy have given occasion to be so reputed and that therefore W. R. and his Party only are so deeply concern'd to Vindicate the Doctrine and Life of Christianity in themselves only by the Publication of his Book But who those many are that had such concern of Conscience lying on them for its Publication is yet to be enquired And what Antient Doctrine or Doctrines of Christianity are those People called Quakers whom he writes against Apostatized from And what New and Unchristian Doctrines or Practices are they fallen into We find no Proof nor Discovery thereof in all his Book but the said People greatly abused thereby The Passage before-cited about such concern of Conscience as that they could no longer forbear the Publication of his Book to prevent the Thoughts of the Doctrine and Life of Christianity being wholly Extinct amongst the People called Quakers together with many Passages in the Second Part of his Treatise do shew that it was designed to be published not only among the People called Quakers but among the World's People and such as are our Adversaries and Opposers as appears by these Objections amongst others in his second Part Chap. 2. page 6. viz. Obj. Do you not think that those Jews who Crucified Christ acted not from the Light within since some of them verily thought they did God good Service therein which having given an Answer to he frames another Objection thus viz. However some Objecting may say What is this to a Light Within 'T is very plain that John the Evangelist meant nothing of the Light within in your sence but of the Personal Appearance of Christ without c. Observe That these Objections are taken from our Adversaries and Opposers of the Light of Christ within and not from any called Quakers which W. R. accordingly undertakes to Answer in Vindication of the Light within and therefore it appears he designed his Treatise to go among Truth 's Adversaries as well as Friends whence it follows that wherein it either charges or reflects on the People called Quakers or the greatest part of them as being Apostates Innovators c. or gone from the Doctrine and Life of Christianity the Scandal and Reproach thereof against the said People and the holy Truth professed by them is the more Notoriously aggravated And though W. R. has shewn himself as a strong Oak and tall Cedar in this Work of Division we doubt not but some that have lean'd upon him and been mistaken in his Design will be ashamed of their Oak Disaffect IV. W. R. Preface pag. 3. Many in that City i. e. Bristol retain their antient Respect for John Story and John Wilkinson two Antient and Honourable Labourers in the Gospel of Christ whose Conversations and Doctrine I have not known or understood to be exceeded in Godliness by any MORTAL MAN WHATSOEVER Observe By this it appears that W. R. seems to be a great Admirer of and Advocate for these Persons whom he thus highly applauds and contends for but whether his being so greatly afficious for them will redound to their Reputation or the Credit of their Cause we refer to God's Witness in all Impartial Friends and even to the same in their Consciences for whom he thus highly Advocates and we disown his Admiration and Comparison of them as not safe nor a preaching up Christ but setting up Man and Creatures the same he has accused others for He has neither Known nor so much as UNDERSTOOD their Conversations and Doctrine to be Exceeded in Godliness by any Mortal Man WHATSOEVER He has not understood that either Righteous Abel Enoch Daniel Job Elijah Elisha Jeremiah or any of the holy Prophets of God or Apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ did exceed these Persons whom he so highly contends for in Godliness of Conversation and Doctrine We cannot own his Judgment or Comparison herein and we ask if J. S. and J. W. do really approve thereof or not Disaffect V. W. R. Preface p. 6. These kinds of Declarations frequently published amongst the aforesaid People viz. LET US EXCLUDE THE REASONING THE WISDOM AND THE JEALOUSIE AND LET US HAVE AN EYE TO THE BRETHREN further Insinuating as if God had ordained Ministers among them that are to see and hear for the Body and common Members of the Church as the Printed Terms are I cannot but be full of Jealousie that these things have a tendency to insinuate Submission without Conviction and nurture up Ignorance instead of Wisdom and to introduce Bondage instead of Freedom in Christ as much as ever was under the cover of a Black-coat in the Dark Night of Apostacy where this Maxime viz. Ignorance is the Mother of Devotion is known to be true with respect to a zealous Observation of what the Clergy have imposed and taught Observe First That These kinds of Declarations are frequently published among the People called Quakers we utterly deny he hath therein as we judge uttered Falshood and abused the said People And yet to his own Contradiction he hath granted the matter herein opposed by him in pag. 18. first Part in his Marginal Note the words are these viz. We would not be understood that it is not fit to have an Eye to faithfull Brethren in any thing whereby he grants that an Eye is to be had to faithful Brethren in some things at least the more unjust he to make such ill use as he has done of the words before-cited by him Secondly If any of the said People have at any time so published as Let us exclude the Reasoning the
outward form of Government in the Church of Christ hereupon is a great part of his Contest throughout his Book yet he owns a Submission to his Brethren in a matter which was such a concern of Conscience to him but if any Direction Advice or Counsel be given by an Assembly Meeting or Church among us such as he himself formerly has owned to be the Church of Christ and joyned with in Counsel then he can easily evade it on this pretence It is not his Duty to obey without inward Conviction It is no Bond upon him when he sees it not They are not to submit to outward Orders Instructions or Prescriptions of any Assembly whether they see it to be their Duty or not it is not binding to them unless they see it with these and such like Exceptions is much of his Book made up to shun that Authority and Right of Judgment which Christ has given his Church and People that answer his Witness though these his Exceptions and Allegations as applyed contain a very Unjust Insinuation and Reflection upon our Meetings which are for the Service of Truth and one another in Love as if we imposed Rules and Methods for our Fellow Members to observe in an Implicit Faith or Blind Obedience which has ever been far from us and contrary to our Principle and Testimony since we knew any thing of Truth 's Inward Conviction and Work nor do our said Meetings give any Instructions or Advice relating to good Order in the Church c. to such as are Blind Faithless or Senseless and not belonging to us as a People but to such whose Eyes are opened in some measure to incite them to Faithfulness and Diligence in those things which the true Light will shew to be their Duty as they are watchful in it to receive and practise good Advice and Counsel from the Light both in themselves and in their Elder Brethren in Christ Jesus Disaffect X. W. Rogers to prove the Righteousness of his proceeding to Print and Publish his Book gives this Account dated Bristol the 10th of November 1680. Postscript pag. 25 26 27. viz. The Question needfull to be answered is this Whether 't is matter of Evil Fact in me to Publish in Print an Historical Relation of the Truth and that for the clearing of my Conscience c The Answer in short is Nay to every Impartial and Unprejudiced Reader I doubt not but that the Preface to the Reader the Introduction to the First and Fourth Parts of this Treatise may give sufficient Satisfaction but lest the Ignorance and Blindness of any should be so great as nâ—â— from thence to perceive the Righteousness of my present proceeding to Print or that the Partiality of any that do so should so abound as to strengthen Evil Insinuations against me on that account I have this to say That such aâ— have been of Party against us concerned in the Publication hereof have been the first and Frequent Promulgators by Declaration by Manuscript and by Printing that there hath been Divisions amongst the aforesaid People Passing by at present his Impertinent Instances relating to Declaration and Manuscript for perspicuity and brevity's sake we will insist on his chief Instance that relates to Printing which he gives to prove the Righteousness of his proceeding to Print or to Promulgate or Publish by Printing according to his own Terms his pretended Historical Relation his Instance follows viz. But that which on this occasion is chiefly my concern is to Evidence that there hath been a Publication of the aforesaid Divisions in Print before the Publication hereof and that by and on the behalf of some of G. Fox's Party On the 8th Instant came to my hands two Sheets of Printed Paper Entituled An Epistle c. Anne Whitehead and Mary Elson the Subscribers I should now proceed to cite a few Sentences out of it which amounts to a Publication of Divisions Thus far W. R. To evince the Righteousness of his proceeding to Print and Publish his great Book of Divisions Be pleased to observe then That what he alledges for Instance in this Case to prove his Proceeding Righteous bears this Sense that the Instances he cites for this end are not only Occasions and Causes justly provoking him to proceed to Print but also that they were all such Occasions given him before he proceeded to Print or to Promulgate Divisions by Printing which we judge are both very Unjustly pretended and nothing parallel to his Work in his Book nor demeriting any such publick Volumnious and Remaining Infamy and Reproach as his Book contains against certain faithful Men in particular and the People called Quakers in general And now we will presently detect his Fallacy and manifest Injustice in this his Principal Instance relating to his Printing Query Whether W. R. did not know in his own Conscience that he had proceeded to Print his Book some time before the 8th day of November 1680 which he confesseth to be the time that the said two Sheets of Printed Paper came to his Hands We Answer Yes he knew in his Conscience that he had Printed most of his Book before that Day or Time for he confesseth Post. p. 24. in these words Bristol the 8th of November 1680. which was the same day that the two Printed Sheets came to his Hands notwithstanding that all this Treatise excepting the Postscript Index and Errata is already Printed So that all his Treatise excepting as is excepted was Printed before the two Printed Sheets came to his Hand and therefore that could be no Reason of his proceeding to Print his Book or to Promulgâ—te or Publish it by Printing it being Printed before that Epistle For Note also That by W. R ' s own Letter to John Bringhurst dated the 21st of the 8th Moneth 1680. it appears much of his Book viz. of all the Five Parts was then already Printed about Eighteen Days before the said Printed Epistle of two Sheets came to his Hands being about Eighteen Dayes from the 21st of the 8th Moneth to the 8th of the 9th Moneth 1680. In the said Letter to John Bringhurst the Printer W. R. adviseth him thus viz. This Morning I received another small Parcel I want two Sheets of the Third Part from pag. 113. to pag. 128. and one Sheet of the Fifth Part from pag. 69 to 83. And when I have those Sheets then the Sheets I shall have from thee will be as followeth First three Sheets of the Preface Of the First Part to page 72. Of the Second Part to pag. 80. Of the Third Part to pag. 136. All the Fourth Part viz. to pag. 108. Of the Fifth Part to pag. 84. Not more to add then to desire thy Expedition Thus W. R. in the said Letter dated the 21st of the 8th Moneth 1680. as before By all which its apparent First That on the 21st of the 8th Moneth 1680. much of W. R ' s Book was Printed and received by him at
Meeting for the Worship of God within the City of Bristol the 21st of the 11th Moneth 1678. as he saith where some were present not accounted to be of the People called Quakers though there was but very few such there then as Credible Account was given from Bristol but at that Meeting the People present were mostly Friends as in an Account dated Bristol the 25th of the 11th Moneth 1678. And what though some others were present and heard it read What knows he but it had a good Effect on some of them seeing Division Contention and Discord have both before and since that happened in that Meeting according as he has related in Print there was the more need of such a Testimony going forth against such a Spirit of Contention and Discord that hath so openly appeared in that place 4thly Neither is there any just or equal Comparison between the said Printed Epistle and W. R. his great Invective Book which tends to the Perpetual Reproach Scandal and Infamy of divers Faithful Persons by Name and of the People called Quakers the Truth and Christian Religion professed by them whereas the said Epistle by Mary Elson and Anne Whitehead was not to Infamize any Friends or Professors of Truth by Name but according to the Title An Epistle for True LOVE UNITY and ORDER in the Church of Christ against the Spirit of Discord Disorder and Confusion c. All which considered W. R. hath manifested his Injustice in these his several Instances as well as his apparent Fallacy and Impertinency in that one principal Instance of the said Printed Epistle so that the Foundation of W. R's proceeding to Print is evidently proved Deceit and Falshood But come on we have dwelt some-what long upon this point let 's now briefly sum up and present the Case in W. R. his own sence and see how far that will go thus viz. The said Epistle of two Printed Sheets given out by Anne VVhitehead and Mary Elson amounting to a Publication of Divisions though Reflecting on no Persons by Name coming to my Hands the 8th of November 1680. it was a great Provocation to me and the chief concern upon me to Publish my Book of Eighty Sheets or above reflecting on many of the Chieftains among the People called Quakers by Name in Particular and upon the greatest part of that People in General who own them as also upon their Meetings that are for an Outward Form of Church-Government Visible Orders c. as being Apostates and Innovators c. To all which it may be said Oh! great Champion Scribe of the Schisme and Faction and Popular Person wa st thou so provoked by two poor VVomen with their but two Printed Sheets against the Spirit of Discord that thou must needs revenge thy self with a Furious Confused Book of above EIGHTY Sheets in Print Is this thy Justice Manhood and Valour so Excessively to vent thy Fury for the sake of two such in thy esteem doubtless Inconsiderable persons their two Sheets At this rate we may expect that we shall so hugely provoke thee by this Treatise against thy work of Darkness and Confusion that thou wilt severely pay us off with a Book of Five or Six Hundred Sheets at least but then thy Friends must very highly advance their Purses towards the Charge if they 'l be so Mad or Silly Be sure if thou writest against us make it a huge big Book or else thou wilt not proceed according to thy former GREAT CONCERN OF CONSCIENCE and JUSTICE against the TWO Womens TWO Sheets and many more because thereof However if thou pretends to make Answer or Reply hereunto let it be as big as it will let it but refer to holy Scripture and be Argumentative and it may probably be the more taken notice of but if it be a kind of History made up of Stories Reports and thy own Jealousies to expose Weaknesses and to render Persons by Name Odious 't will then be No Answer but a Dirty Revengeful Clamour like much of thy Unchristian Book already extant to thy and thy Abettors great Shame and Disgrace Disaffect XI First Part pag. 9. W. R. frames an Objection in which are these words viz. And that we ought to believe as the Church believes compared with his 4th Sect. pag. 23. The Title whereof with some other words objected by him follows viz. Sect. 4. An Answer to the Third Position deduceable from an Objection raised toward the Conclusion of the first Section viz. That 't is Folly and Hypocrisie to profess our selves Members of the true Church and yet not believe THUS as the true Church believes VV. R. To this we say We are altogether dissatisfied especially when we consider what a Body of Darkness hath entred under the Belief of this Position We must believe as the Church believes And pag. 24. May it not further be said we know how Papists and Protestants describe their Church c. Observe That herein our Adversary still persists in his course of Envy and Persecution by thus seeking to render us as like Papists as he can as if we were imposing an Implicit Faith concerning our Assemblies without Conviction on the bare Terms of Believing as the Church believes which Imposition we Abhor being alwayes for that Faith that 's Explicit Clear and Evident grounded upon the plain Evidence of the Spirit besides to render us Odious and Obnoxious in this matter W. R. hath Fallaciously wronged the Citation in his said 4th Section and whereon he grounds his whole Section leaving out the very foregoing words which are the most Material and Explanatory words as in the Title of his said Section compared with the Book he took them out of Entituled THE APOSTATE INCENDIARY REBUKED c. pag. 16. the words are these viz. I affirm That the true Church is in the true Faith that is in God and we must either believe Thus as the true Church believes or else it were but both a Folly and Hypocrisie to profess our selves Members thereof See how plain the words are principally relating to the Faith that is in God which explains the matter but W. R. though in his first Sect. pag. 9. cites the words viz. The True Church is in the True Faith that is in God in his 4th Sect. he wholly leaves them out and places his Exceptions and Answer upon the latter part some-what varied into a Position which he deduces from an Objection of his own framing and then cryes out We are altogether dissatisfied when we consider what a Body of Darkness hath entred under the Belief of this Position WE MUST BELIEVE AS THE CHURCH BELIEVES Thus crookedly and perversly has he Scribbled to put the Odium of POPERY upon us but if we should ask him Is it not in it self true Doctrine That the true Church is in the true Faith that is in God and we must either believe thus i. e. in God as the true Church believes or else it were but Folly
both him and our said Meeting from any such Imputation as either Assuming or Exercising an absolute Jurisdiction Power or Dominion over mens properties in outward things for R. B. affirmeth That they have greatly mistaken him who did suppose that he did Ascribe to Friends an absolute Jurisdiction over men's Properties in outward things nor was our said Meeting in London or any of us in the least designed or principled to any such thing whose Ox or whose Ass have we taken c Therefore hath our Adversary most grosly mis-represented and abused us therein to the great scandal and reproach of us and the Holy Truth professed by us As to the taking up and composing of Differences among our selves as to outward things and R. B's avering That as a people gathered together by the Lord unto the same Faith we have Power and Authority to decide and remove these things Against this W. R. immediatly testifies in these Words viz. Disaffect XXIV W. R. first part pag. 51. This we testifie is repugnant to the Light of Christ Jesus within us and Testimony of the Scriptures of Truth without us for as Christ's Kingdom is not of this World so 't is not likely that his Members should by his Authority claim a Jurisdiction in the matters relating to this World and if Christ himself when he was desired by a certain man to bid his Brother divide the Inheritance with him refused to be a Judge in that matter relating to Property when desired by one party saying Who made me a Judge over you How much more unreasonable is it for his Members to assume a Jurisdiction when desired by neither party c Observe We look upon this Testimony in the first place Unsound and the Allegation Impertinent for 1st That as a People of the Lord or Church of Christ we have Power to compose Differences as to outward things This is neither repugnant to the Light of Christ within nor to the Testimony of the Scriptures without us see 1 Cor. 6. 1 2 3 4 5. Maâ— 18. 15 16 17. 2dly claim a Jurisdiction What Jurisdiction do Christ's Members claim by his Authority other then what he himself has given them viz. to Counsel Advise and Admonish for the ending of Differences and to give true Judgment 3dly What does Jurisdiction mean properly but a pronouncing right Equity or Justice though in the common Law it is Power and Authority to minister and execute Laws which in a Gospel Way and Order is not excluded the Church of Christ seeing the Law shall go forth of Sion 4thly Christ's refusing to be a Judge in that matter relating to property when desired by one party Luk. 12. 13 14. argues not that none of his Members Church or Saints have power to judge in matters relating to outward Property for that were to contradict the Apostle's Testimony 1 Cor. 6. 3. Know ye not that we shall judge Angels how much more things that pertain to this Life 5thly That of Luke 12. 13 14. alledged proves not that either Christ had not Power and Right to judge among his Disciples in matters relating to this World nor yet that the Saints or his Members were altogether to refuse judging in matters relating to Property among themselves or them of the same Faith 6thly In the Scripture alledged Luke 12. 13. its said One of the company said unto him Master speak to my Brother that he divide the Inheritance with me It is not said 't was one of his Disciples Nor would it have been Judicial for him to have given Judgment in the matter upon the motion and determination of one paâ—ty assigning what he would have done in 's own case aforehand and whose fault Christ seems to reprehend in the following Words Luk. 12. 15. Take heed and beware of Covetousness for a man's Life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth Nor was it so properly Christ's Ministry and Work to be concerned in determining those outward matters of Property having given a higher Ministry and sufficient Law Light and Judgment in mens Consciences to determine what 's Right and to do Right in those cases especially in his Church and Followers The Lord is exalted when Sion is filled with Judgment and Righteousness And now whereas R. B. pleads for the Church of Christ having Power in some cases of Conscience to give a positive Sentence or Decision which may be obligatory upon Believers This W. R. opposeth as being a Government over the Consciences of Believers contrary to the Principle of Truth and Liberty they have in Christ Jesus pag. 48. because his Plea is for a Liberty for a Believer to refuse to submit on account of not seeing it his Duty This is still to divide the Church of Christ and Believers as if the Church did see and Believers were blind which is Absurd and Ignorant He now neither allows the Church power in cases of Conscience nor outward things to give positive Sentence or Judgment to decide difference pag. 48 51. but both these he has sufficiently contradicted 1st in concluding the words of Christ and the Apostle Mat. 18. and 1 Cor. 6. did concern Personal Offences or Differences touching Worldly Matters 2dly In granting that Every Case wherein one Brother may Trespass against another may be comprehended in it But now to his Opposition against the Churches Judgment set case the Church of Christ in some or any matters of Conscience or Property where a Difference is doth give a positive Sentence or Judgment which in it self is Just and Reasonable Our Opposer is for a Liberty for Believers to refuse to submit on account of not seeing it their Duty that is to say That Believers who are Members of Christ's Church may refuse Submission to their Brethren in things that are in themselves Just and Reasonable according to the Law of Truth in the Conscience on the pretence of not seeing it their Duty which is a most Blind and Irrational way of pleading and arguing and we can make nothing of it but what tends to Confusion Rebellion and Ranterism and to a Contempt of the Church of Christ and an undervaluing of the Light of Truth and Righteousness which is in all true Believers ready to engage in a concord in whatsoever things are Honest Just and Reasonable And that which aggravates the Offence of our Adversary is his Fathering this Contradiction and Opposition which he would make in the Church of Christ and this Liberty for Believers refusing to submit to this Church upon the Liberty that is in Christ Jesus which is as Absurd as to tell us the Church of Christ may in some things have a Liberty in Christ to give a Righteous Judgment both in matters of Conscience and Property but Believers who are Members of the same Church must have a Liberty in Christ to refuse to submit to the same Judgment and not only so but a liberty in Christ to plead That they see it not to
the case of Offences which such Injurious offending Brother had not and therefore to be rejected as an Heathen man chiefly for refusing to hear the Church and herein consists the Nature of the Controversie between Us and W. R. We take part with the Innocent Brother that is injured and offended who is willing to bring his Case before the Church of Christ and to hear the Church as in point of Judgment and as knowing his presence in the midst But W. R. plainly appears to take part with that injurous offending Brother that will not hear the Church And as for the Power W. R. grants it any Members of the Church for deciding and removing Differences only when given by the assent of Parties He confesseth that any Heathen man might claim the like Power p. 53. What Power then has he here allowed the Members of Christ's Church in these cases more than to any Heathen man But mark if this Gainsaying Spirit be not drawing back among the Heathen that hath so little esteem of the Church of Christ but he often contradicts himself confessing to divers Truths against his own Oppositions so that the Light sometimes interposeth though Darkness has moâ—â— prevailed in his Work Disaffect XXVII W. R. third part pag. 64. Christ's Doctrine well described by his Sermon in the Mount Mat. 5. and Chap. 6. wherein there is not the least Tittle to countenance this Sentence that the positive sentence or decission of the Church in matters of Conscience may be obligatory on Believers Observe His main Work is still to Invalid the Authority and Sentence of the true Church whereby here he would set Believers in opposition to the Church as not oblieged by the Churches Sentence without exception let it be as really from Christ and as true just and reasonable as may be but if the Sentence or Decision of the Church in matters of Conscience be no wayes obliging on Believers then why has he told us of the Counsel and Admonition of the Church which they that will not submit unto are to be rejected by the Church His Inconsistences and Self-contradictions are numerous what was that counsel which he that did but say to his Brother Racha should be in danger of as Christ said Mat. 5. 22. Was not this counsel in the Church of Christ under the Gospel as well as in the Church of the Jews under the Law But still our Adversary proceeds in his Inconsistency Disaffect XXVIII W. R. pag. 64. third part Nay in that very Case Mat. 18. 15 16. where 't is said If thy Brother trespass against thee go tell him his Faults if he hear thee not take with thee one or two if he hear not them tell it to the Church if he refuse to hear the Church let him be unto thee as an Heathen man The Scripture doth not say that Sentence ought to be obligatory on all other Members of the Church of Christ who might be no way concerned either in the Admonition or Sentence to look upon him as an Heathen man but it saith Let him be unto Thee as an Heathen Man Observe This we do except against as unsound Doctrine the sentence in this place against that Brother that refuseth to hear the Church was Christ's and the offence for which he is sentenced as an Heathen man is both against a Brother in particular and against the Church in his refusing to hear the Church and therefore seeing its Christ's Admonition and Sentence to let him be to thee as an Heathen man how could the rest of the Members of the Church of Christ look on him otherwise than as an Heathen man having refused to hear the Church Strange Doctrine that one Member of the Church of Christ should have occasion and that according to Christ's Doctrine to look upon a Brother so offending against him and the Church as an Heathen man and yet other Members of the Church of Christ not to look upon him as an Heathen man what then may they look upon him as a good Christian contrary to Christs own Sentence And what though there be other Members of the Church of Christ that are not immediately concerned in the Admonition or Sentence against the Offender being not present in the Church when he refused to hear them Does it therefore follow that they must be so far divided in their Sence and Judgment either from the Sentence of Christ the Sence of the Church to whom complaint was made against the Brother Trespassing or from the Sence of the Brother offended as to look on him not as Christ or the Offended Brother or the Church whom he refused to hear have judged of him that is as an Heathen Man What Confusion would this make in the Church and Contradiction to Christ's own Sentence Much might be said to shew the Absurdity of this but W. R. in his own contradiction has granted 3d part pag. 36. viz. Since the case is stated between two Brethren and that on an orderly Proceeding and Admonition of the Church the Sentence for not hearing the Church is Let him be unto thee as an Heathen Man Here he has granted both Authority Order and Government in the Church of Christ in respect to such Judicial proceeding as is confirmed by the Sentence of Christ himself This is the man whose Work is much of it to oppose Church-Government and to render the Sentence or Decision of the Church of Christ not obligatory on Believers We have rarely known any of Truth 's Adversaries more confounded in their Attempts against the Truth and People of God than he is howbeit we will grant him that nothing that is Outward whether it be Sentence Judgment Order or Decree in the Church of Christ that can be a Bond on such to forsake Sin and embrace the Truth as are run into Looseness Evil Deeds and are become hardned as he saith pag. 43. 3d part Until their Consciences be awakened to hear Gods Witness in themselves This is true but then it s no Proof against Church-Government or that the just Sentence Admonition or Judgment of the Church of Christ is no wayes binding on Believers who are Members of the same Church but only that they are not obliging to such as are hardned through Sin that they see not their Duty whose part our Adversary has taken and their cause he has pleaded against Church-Government and against the Authority Sentence Judgment Outward Directions c. of the Church Again W. R. grants 1st part pag. 48. That though we find the Author to the Hebrews chap. 13. v. 7. saying on this wise Remember them which have the Rule over you yet he doth not say Such who had the Rule were the Church but describes them to be such who had spoken unto them the Word of God so that if any Authority be given to any to Rule as Members of Christ's Body it appears from the Scriptures of Truth to be unto such who had spoken the Word of God unto
them over whom they had the Rule Thus far W. R. Whereby he has fairly given away his Cause for here he has granted Authority of Rule or Government given to such Members of Christ as had spoken the Word of God unto them over whom they had the Rule whence it follows that all such Members of Christ's Body whether Elders or Overseers c. as have the Word of God to speak or a Testimony from him committed to them to bear to others may have a share and right in Rule and Government in the Church of Christ with respect to them unto whom they speak the Word of God and this may extend to as many faithful Members as grow up in Truth and unto a Testimony so as to have the Word of God to speak But then we ask If such be not of the Church seeing he seems not to own them that had the Rule to be the Church What! were only the Hearers and not the Preachers the Church however W. R. has granted Rule to the Preachers which is not to be tyed up to the First Preachers but also to extend to Others whom God shall raise up and fit for his Service though he has opposed and gainsay'd many faithful Ones in his Book yet he grants such Preachers to be Members of Christ's Body however it appears that the Inferiour Members or Weaker part of the Church owed a Submission to those Superiour in the Church obey them that have the Rule over you c. yet all in the Lord in the Light and clear sight of their Duty in Humbleness of Mind submitting themselves one to another as the Primitive Christians did Also the Members of the true Church were not come to the same Growth to the same Dignity to the same Degree of Judgment to the same Measure of the Gift of Christ nor to the same Stature in him some were more Eminently dignified for the Service of the Church than others were and accordingly were required to be helpful to others and a suitable Submission one to another according to the heavenly Order of the Gospel Church and Body of Christ and diversities of Gifts Operations and Degrees of Growth through the same holy Spirit do not oppose nor contradict nor clash one against another and even they that were appointed Elders and Overseers in his Church were to hold fast the faithful Word as they had been taught that they might be able by sound Doctrine both to exhort and convince the Gainsayers Moreover the Church of Christ and every faithful Member thereof hath Power to give Testimony absolute Judgment and Sentence against all Loose Disorderly and Scandalous Wayes and Conversations when duely manifest among any Professors of Truth which dishonour our holy Profession and let up a Spirit of Ranterism and false Liberty and these ought to be testified against judged and condemned and 't is not justly in the Power of any Offender in those cases to make their own choice of any Person whatsoever to evade or make void any such Judgment or Sentence nor ought the Offender to be at his own choice in such criminal Cases of Looseness and Disorderly walking but the Universal Judgment of Truth to be set over the Transgressors Head in a Gospel Way and Order on a Judicial hearing and discovery of the Offence for the Church of Ephesus was commended in not bearing them that were Evil and hating the Deeds of the Nicolaitans Rev. 2. 2 6. But the Church in Pergamos was blamed for having them that held the Doctrine of Balaam and the Doctrine of the Nicolaitans which tended to Ranterism Fornication or Community of Women which was to be judged out with the Light of Truth forever see Euseb. Hist. l. 3. c. 26. W. R. is Impertinent also in his Gainsaying where in pag. 53. 1st part he hath these words viz. Disaffect XXIX It appears evidently to us that preaching up Obedience to that wherein the Conscience through Faith is not satisfied is a handling the Word of God deceitfully This as 't is generally stated and as it is designed is not only unfound but a kind of an Implicit smiting at those whom he writes against tends to make void that first preaching of the Gospel to People Unconvinced and Unsatisfied in their Consciences concerning the most Essential Truths relating to Salvation as that of the Light the Cross of Christ the Narrow Way being Crucified to the World and the Vain Fashions thereof c. which are preached to many before they are satisfied or convinced in their Consciences to come into Obedience in these things yet these things must be preacht that they may be convinced and converted too and we have a Ministry from Christ for that end and as we have received Mercy we faint not but preach the Gospel in much Boldness and Assurance in Christ of the good Effects thereof and are one with the Apostle's Testimony as having renounced the Hidden things of Dishonesty not walking in Craftyness not handling the Word of God deceitfully but by Manifestation of the Truth commending our selves to every mans Conscience in the sight of God 2 Cor. 4. 2. Our preaching is to convince the Conscience and not to leave it dark or unsatisfied in that wherein the Duty of Obedience stands A Blind Conscience is Convincible by Spiritual and Effectual Preaching which hath the Evidence of the Spirit of Christ in it making its way into the Conscience if not wholly hardned and seared through Rebellion and Stubbornness even Gainsayers are to be Exhorted and Convinced by sound Doctrine Titus 1. 9. Disaffect XXX W. R. 1st part pag. 53 54. proceeds thus viz. We have been informed That We are Dark and Blind even by such who tell us They do see publickly Preaching on this wise If you do not see your selves you must then follow us that do see yet we cannot on that foot embrace such Doctrine lest like Blind Men we fall all together into the Ditch Observe This is such a Reflection upon some publick Preachers and Preaching as tends to Scandalize our Friends and Meetings as if still our Design were to preach up a Blind Obedience and an Implicit Faith and to Impose on others to follow us therein and this he often and much harps upon but tells us not who they are that thus preach for we do not approve of such preaching for any to follow us in their Blindness and though 't is probable some may have publickly commended the Example of the Faithfull to be followed by others yet not Exclusive of all sight and sence in the Hearers and Followers of their Examples for our Travel and Desires have always been and are that the Eyes of Peoples Understandings may be opened and enlightned first to see their way and how to follow the Foot-steps of Christ's Flock in his Divine Light and Faith Disaffect XXXI W. R. Sect. 8. pag. 61. first part G. F. hath taken upon him to give forth Directions and Instructions to others and
shew forth that if we should feed upon or admire any excellent Qualification or Endowment whatsoever and not have the Eye of our mind chiefly unto the Giver we might then come to a loss From all whîch observe that our Adversary has here found out a Salve or better Construction for the said Doctrine than his opposing and contradicting of it before as not being according to Truth At this rate he may make large Books against us but to what purpose thus to Say and Unsay as if he should tell us 't is unsound Doctrine to say The Tree of Knowledge is not good for Food But to turn about again It may be used in a good and sound Sense and therefore I would not be understood to reflect upon all that have used that expression viz. The Tree of Knowledge is not good for Food What kind of Preacher would he make if he should tell People The Tree of Knowledge is good for Food The Tree of Knowledge is not good for Food And what if some as he saith have reflected on the Wisdom that is Sensual when they have declared the Tree of Knowledge not good for Food What unsoundness can he prove therein as to the Allusion The Question is whether Man by transgressing God's command in eating of that Tree did not fall into that Wisdom that was Earthly and Sensual or Devilish Whether that Sensual Wisdom was not produced in Man by that Transgression And therefore W. R's telling us That which is a discoverer of Good and Evil being in it self Good as the Tree of Knowledge is cannot be a proper Allusion c. We are sure his Allusion and Comparison here is not proper nor according to Scripture He here confounds the Discoverer which is Christ the Tree of Life with the Tree of Knowledge As if man in Innocency were forbidden to eat of the Tree of Life For our Opposer in his very next instance p. 28. hath these Words John the Evangelist testifies This is Life Eternal that they might know thee the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent A very good Scripture but no Proof that the Tree of Knowledge was good for Food or that God did forbid the knowledge of himself and of his Son to man in Innocency when he gave him this command But of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil thou shalt not eat of it for in the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely dye Gen. 2. 17. This Tree was excepted from every Tree yielding Seed and good for Food which was allowed unto Man Gen. 1. 29. and 2. 9. Did God forbid man in Innocency the knowledge of his Maker or command him not to eat of that which was good for his Souls Food No sure Who then presented the Tree of Knowledge as good for Food to be eaten to make one Wise c 'T was the Serpent Therefore the Scripture is not silent in it The Serpent said unto the Woman Ye shall not surely dye For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof your Eyes shall be opened and ye shall be as Gods knowing Good and Evil And when the Woman saw that the Tree was good for Food and a Tree to be desired to make one Wise she took of the Fruit thereof and did eat c. Gen. 3. 4 5 6. Did the Serpent say true in saying Ye shall not surely dye No sure For God had said the contrary In the Day thou eatest thereof dying thou shalt dye Therefore when the Woman saw that the Tree was good for Food she saw not aright she had let in the Serpents perswasion to eat thereof contrary to God's command There was an Eye open giving way to the Temptation which God did not open a mistaken sight It was the same by which she saw it was a Tree to be desired to make one Wise. VVhence came that Desire but from the Serpent's allurement That begot a false sight a misapprehension not consistent with the Law of Innocence or Uncorruptness of mind that stood in the Simplicity of the Truth All which considered our Opposer is so far from proving any of us Apostates and Innovators in saying That the Tree of Knowledge is not good for Food that he has discovered his own Apostacy and Innovation in introducing the Serpent's Doctrine contrary to God's command and the Doctrine anciently preached among us And therein we cannot believe that God or Christ is his Teacher but the Serpent who beguiled Eve through his Subtilty So he hath corrupted the minds of some from the Simplicity that is in Christ Jesus to feed upon that which brings Death over them and to fall into that Knowledge which puffs up the Fleshly Mind And that Eye that the Serpent opens is not a Single but an Evil Eye which Christ came to blind and to bring that Knowledge to nought that puffs up before men can clearly see with that Innocent Single Eye that Christ opens or partake of that true Divine Knowledge which is Life Eternal The Matter we Principally aim at and stand for both in the foregoing and following Controversie on our parts is included in these general Propositions viz. I. That since the Term Church-Government is of late so much cast upon us we do thereby intend Christ's Government in his Church exercised by him both Immediately and Instrumentally II. That Christ Jesus our Lord and Master Governs Rules and Orders in his Church and People Immediately and Principally by himself and Instrumentally in some measure by his Ministers and Servants as well as he Teaches and Instructs both Immediately and Instrumentally III. That Christ's Governing and Ruling Instrumentally by his Ministers and Servants relates to the Godly Care good Instructions Admonition and true Judgment given to and Ministred by such his Faithfull Servants Ministers and Elders in Truth whom the holy Ghost has made Overseers and appointed for Helps and Governments in the Church for the sake especially of the Younger and Weaker Members Children and such as are under Age as to Truth and Experience in the Work of the Lord. 'T is about this last Proposition that the Controversie does most depend for Christ's Immediate Rule and Government in the Conscience is in words owned by our Opposers IV. No other kind of Government in the Church of Christ in Substance Nature and End do we at this day plead for than what was exercised in the Primitive Christian Churches before the Apostacy in a Spiritual Perswasive Convincing Way and Manner suitable to Christ's Spiritual Kingdom which prospers by his Truth and Meekness Righteousness and true Judgment wherein we acknowledge him to be our King Lord and Lawgiver all Carnal Force and Rigour being excluded his Kingdom V. In the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ we utterly deny and detest Exercising Lordship over God's Heritage or seeking Dominion over the Faith and Conscience of his People and assuming to our selves any Power Dominion or Arbitrary Jurisdiction over their
shall suffice viz. the form of proceedings in Marriages wherein the Scriptures are wholly silent as to the Primitive Christians By which you may see what a narrow compass his great noise of Innovations outward Order in Discipline is brought to he should have made his Book wholly on this subject about the form of proceedings in Marriages among us and not have made such a great impertinent blunder upon general Scandalous Charges to no purpose and then it would have appeared whether he could have disapproved our proceedings therein or not or prove them inconsistent with those Righteous Ends that he himself has granted 2dly In his Preface he only mentions outward Forms relating to Marriages Relief of the Poor c. About which he saith a great part of the Contention seems to be and yet he is the hotest Maintainer of the Contention 3dly And though in some Circumstances every thing be not specified in the Scriptures yet whether there is any part of Church-Discipline practised among us that does not tend to answer the Apostolick Doctrine in respect to Good Order a Holy Conversation a Heavenly Society and things that are Honest Just Reasonable and of good Report What Form or Discipline do we practise that is unsuitable to these Righteous Ends We affirm that his crying out Impositions Innovations Form of Church-Government Orders Prescriptions c. in general is no answer nor any proof of his Charge of Apostate and Innovator against us let him either specifie the particulars thereof that he condemns us for as Apostates and that we practise as Church-Discipline or else forever be ashamed of such Impertinency and Scandalous charging the Meetings of the People of God called Quakers which are concerned in and about those Outward Affairs and Christian Services for which they were intended as Charitable Duties inspecting Marriages taking care that Truth be not Scandalized c. which he hath confessed and the Service of such our Meetings being to answer those Righteous and Good Ends. As also to the same purpose in reference to Friends care about Printing in these Words viz. Third part pag. 31. I would not be understood that it is unnecessary for the Members of the Church of Christ to take care that nothing Scandalous to the Truth come forth in publick under the Name of any who make Profession thereof and were it so that I had ought upon me on Truths behalf to bring to publick view I should be glad of the opportunity to lay it before such Brethren with whom the Word of Wisdom Knowledge and Discerning of Spirits dwelt Hence it appears that this Man would seem to be for Order and Society with such Brethren as he has a good esteem of and to be so conformable and submissive as to have their Counsel and Approbation of what he brings to publick view granting it necessary for the Members of the Church of Christ to take care that nothing Scandalous to Truth come forth in publick which is one main end of our Meeting in London so much struck at and vilified by him But who those Brethren are with whom he accounts the Word of Wisdom and Knowledge dwells and before whom he would lay what he would bring to publick view for their Care and Approbation he tells us not but we may easily guess by his high Characters of Ancient and Honourable Friends Labourers in the Gospel c. And whether they did see and approve of this confused scandalous Book of his or not is best known to themselves either they did or they did not if they did then by his own Inference they are entituled to the matters contained in it if neither of them did see and approve of it then that omission contradicts his own pretence it not being probable that he can justly plead he wanted opportunity to lay it before any of his honourable Brethren in two or three Years time Third part pag. 82. There is great need for every one to watch against a Censorious judging Spirit lest whilst they are judging their Brethren they themselves become cast-awayes p. 83. It behoves every one diligently to watch that we judge not one another by reason of these differing Exercises c. Observe how well this man can Counsel others but how contrary thereto he acts himself in giving forth such a censorious judging Book as he has done tending to render many Innocent Persons and People Apostates and Innovators wherein he is far more loud in his Charge and Exclamation than in his Proof or Instances of that Apostacy or those Innovations But if he could prove such Innovations or New matters in Discipline or differing Exercises therein as he would Insinuate which yet is not granted him then by his own rule he ought not to have brought forth his Censorious Book but rather have watched and studied to be quiet Pag. 80. I would not be understood to judge Apostles or Elders when they shall find freedom from the Lord being met together for giving forth any thing by way of Recommendation to the Consciences of their Brethren Answ. We know nothing given forth as Duty to God or Man to be practised among us by Apostles or Elders but what is in Truth intended at least to be recommended to the Consciences and hath an Answer and Reception in the Consciences of Friends in Truth what we write or preach on behalf of Truth and true Religion is recommended by Divine Authority and Evidence in the Apostles sence by the Manifestation of Truth commending our selves to every mans Conscience in the sight of God and this may be either by good Exhortation Counsel Admonition Reproof Judgment Testimony Warning Charge Command c. all which the holy Apostles used But it appears our Opposer has another sence of Recommendation as leaving matters more indifferent and loose by way of doubtful Proposition as on these or the like Terms viz. You are not Bound to submit whether you see it your Duty or not And whereas this Person is frequently judging our Friends for Imposition Innovation c. We would be understood that those things commended among us as necessary for good Order and Holiness of Conversation are not recommended doubtfully or upon meer Supposition nor as Matters of Indifferency to be Practised or Rejected but in Faith and full Assurance as answering God's Witness and Truth in the Consciences and that such will meet with a tender Reception and not Opposition in all tender and upright Hearts Disaffect XLIV Third part pag. 83. Amongst the Primitive Believers there were such as practised Circumcision some made Conscience of keeping a Day and some that abstained from eating Flesh and others that did not and yet a Christian-Liberty and Forbearance was so Exercised as that they were not to be judging one another about these things and that we find not that these Differing Exercises in a CHRISTIAN Liberty did subject any of those Believers exercised therein to the Censure of being out of the Unity of the Body
be feared many do Eye more the Orders from thee than they Eye the Lord in them accusing and judging all out of Truth that Practice not with all speed from them using all FORCE they can devise according to the Power they have to Compell all to them Censuring all Friends out of the Unity that come not to Practice with them which is the greatest Penalty and Persecution they can Inflict for WANT OF OUTWARD POWER Compared with the following Passage pag. 78 79. viz. For the Enemy of Truth hath taken occasion from thy Orders to beget a false Birth in many And Angry Proceedings about them of late declare which was not before in our Age neither did Heads nor Horns of the Dragon appear to cast down the holy People by lying against them saying that they oppose the holy Orders and by approving of such Proceedings is Satan let loose in our Time to deceive and all that see his Transformings he casts Floods out of his Mouth against them to carry them away and cast such to the Earth wanting nothing to effect his Design but the OUTWARD POWER to carry them on to KILL for his Wrath is against them that keep the Testimony of Jesus Christ and such he accuseth of fleshly Liberty and loose Walking Observe We look upon these unkind and bitter Passages and Insinuations to be very Pernitious and as proceeding from a wrong Conception and Birth of Cruel Jealousies under the pretence of fear concerning many and not from the Spirit of Christ and the Construction made of some's Censuring some out of the Unity for their Opposition to such Orders or orderly proceedings as they account good and wholsome as the greatest Penalty and Persecution they can Inflict and that they would Inflict greater if they had but outward Power this appears very Uncharitable even the same that our open professed Adversaries have often Insinuated against us and greatly tends to stir up Persecution against us as do also the following words viz. WANTING NOTHING TO EFFECT HIS DESIGN BUT THE OUTWARD POWER TO CARRY THEM ON TO KILL Here John thou hast severely prejudged many which we are assured thou hast no Proof for but thy own Jealousie Remember how thy Friend and Advocate W. R. hath severely censured such kind of Prejudicate Proceedings as the censuring and judging Persons without a Hearing or Proof of Matter of Fact but hast thou heard any Friends ever grant they want only the outward Power to carry them on more severely to Persecute and Kill you Oh John we are perswaded thou must meet with an Hour of Tribulation for this Prejudicial and Uncharitable Dealing Were ever worse things exposed in Print against us before And wouldst thou be thus dealt by We pray God to give thee a sight of the Danger of these things and tender thy Heart unto Repentance and a Return to thy first Love for thou hast known better things than these thy Printed Letters bespeak which if thou gavest way to the Printing them thou wast not aware how they would and assuredly do make against thy Interest and your Cause which W. R. Pleads and Advocates for And we would seriously ask Whether such bitter Invectives and Infamies cast upon G. F. and others in thy Letters do not rather shew forth the Heads and Horns of the Dragon than the Zeal of any Friends doth in testifying for good Order and Government in the Church of Christ and against fleshly Liberty and loose Walking which if any such have exceeded in their zeal or their zeal at any time hath not been so prudently and warily mannaged in thy or your account as should have been yet to judge them as so far possessed with the Wrath of the Dragon as that by them he accuseth such as keep the Testimony of Jesus with fleshly Living and loose Walking this we think is very Hard and Uncharitable and we pray thee consider these things And let it be observed also that in W. R's Letter to G. F. part 4. pag. 97. is this passage viz. Therefore is the zeal of the Lord of Hosts kindled against that ungodly insinuating Spirit that makes it its business to bespatter J. S. and J. W. whereby the Simple-hearted may be in danger to be turned out of the Way Upon which we must needs note how Zealous he is for these two Persons and what a great stress he layes upon them their Reputations as if to write or speak what reflects upon them might indanger the turning the Simple-hearted out of the Way and why so We may suppose 't is because he thinks that many Simple-hearted have a good Opinion of them though we would tell him not so many since VV. R. became such a furious Advocate for them as before a great many are offended at his Book and at him for suffering it to come forth and him to go on in their defence without shewing publick and absolute dislike thereof The truth on 't is whatever J. S. and J. W. may think of W. R. he has been Instrumental extreamly to lessen their Esteem though we do not approve of any making it their business to bespatter them neither do we know of any Friends that so do However W. R. has made it a great part of his business to Bespatter and Revile many of the Servants of Christ whom many simple-hearted Ones has a good belief and esteem of He has taken but little care to prevent their being turned out of the way by his bespattering such and that by Name in Print wherein his great Partiality and Injustice is the more evident Disaffect LII W. R. third part pag. 28. I now appeal to God's Witness in all Consciences whether the outward establishment of outward Government under the Notion of Christ's Government doth not seem to square more with the Principles of such who look for his second coming in some outward Bodily Appearance than with the Principles of those who conclude his second coming to be by his Spiritual Appearance in the Heart Observe Under pretence of this solemn Appeal here is a perverse Insinuation and false Comparison to represent us as squaring with as we take it he means the Principle of Christ's Personal Reign i. e. by himself alone in outward Power and Dominion This compared with J. W's words before-cited about wanting the outward Power c. tends to make us Offensive still and to expose us to Suffering Why will he admit of no outward Government in the Church called Christ's Government Is not this to account all outward Government Antichrist's And doth not this square with such whom he compares us to Surely William Rogers has known otherwise and better things of US that is of the People called QUAKERS who own Christ's Second Coming to be by his Spirit in the Heart Principally and Immediately to set up His Government there and to bring forth true Judgment Righteousness and good Order in his Church and People which extends and appears even Outwardly Christ Rules both Inwardly
absolute Judge an Unalterable Infallible Judge that will not be perswaded nor convinced contrary to the Judgment he has taken up and presented for himself and others in the Plural Number WE CANNOT be otherwise perswaded c. but who these WE are besides himself he signifies not save only some pages before i. e. pag. 87. we find William Ford's Name subscribed with William Rogers who hath known better things in his time than thus to be concerned with W. R. in his work of Strife and Enmity in his old Age the Lord bring him to a sence from whence he is fallen Disaffect LVI Part 2. Sect. 3. About Infallibility and Perfection VV. R. pag. 13. Albeit we must acknowledge that the Church of Christ which is built on the Rock Christ cannot whilst abiding on the Rock be prevailed against yet no Argument from hence may rationally be brought to prove any one Member of this Church whilst on this side the Grave not liable through Temptation to Err and DEPART FROM the Rock whilst there is an Enemy ready to enter all if they watch not Compared with part 3. pag. 34. The Apostle might well say Be not unwise but understanding what the Will of the Lord is He doth not say what the Will of the Church is but what the Will of the Lord is submitting your selves one to another in the fear of God Observe 1st Whilst abiding on the Rock c. yet no Argument c. This implies a danger in the whole Church and in every Member of Christ of not abiding on the Rock of not Watching and of Erring yea and of DEPARTING also from the Rock but this is but the condition of a weak Faith and of little Growth short of being built fixt and established in the Faith upon the Rock which Christ's Promise in this case extends to i. e. Upon this Rock will I build my Church and the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it and they that trust in the Name of the Lord shall be as Mount Sion that shall never be removed Obs. 2dly The Apostle doth not say what the will of the Church is but what the Will of the Lord is This Parenthesis is to oppose the will of the Church to the Will of the Lord and so render Christ and his Church divided but then he contradicts this Parenthesis in the very next Words Submitting your selves one to another in the fear of God Very well and was not this the Will of the Church so to submit in the fear of God And could this be any other than in his Will Doth the Church in the fear of God Will any other submission than Christ wills in his Church No sure Christ does not will one thing and his Church in him another contrary But to qualifie or mend the matter W. R. as one inwardly interrupted in his Attempts but six Lines after in the same page saith I say not the Church but what the Will of the Lord is yet hereby I would not be understood to render Christ and his Church divided but rather to shew that his Will who cannot Err is a surer Foundation to build upon than the Wills of those who if they depart from Christ their Rock may Err. VVhich we 'l readily grant him but 't is nothing to purpose 't will not serve his turn for his opposing the Will of the Church as undivided from Christ to his Will but only to signifie that his meaning is that the Will of the Lord who cannot Err is a surer Foundation to build upon than the Wills of those who depart from Christ their Rock But here he has varied from the Will of the Church as undivided from Christ to the wills of those who if they depart from Christ may Err. How Impertinent to his purpose is this If they depart from Christ their Rock they Unchurch themselves and cease to be his Church But then how if they do not depart from Christ what then which is the Case we aim at and he should have kept to then they are his Church and in his Will and what they will and command as in Unity with him is Christ's will and command and if so then W. R's Parenthesis before on the Text Ephes. 5. 17 21. is wholly Impertinent and Improper and his Inference remote and forreign thereto yea contradictory to his desiring not to be understood to render Christ and his Church divided Thus he sayes and unsayes he is off and on he marrs and he mends he mends and he marrs he darkens Counsel with his many VVindings Twistings and Tossings Concessions to Truth which confute much of W. R's Book W. R. pag. 35. We do testifie the Principle of Truth leads none to be Rude either in Word or Action nor yet to cross the Customs Fashions of other Societies which in themselves are Comely Decent and of good Report Pag. 36. 'T is good for every one in all things to mind the Inward Divine and Spiritual Teacher and then doubtless such will be led to take up the Cross in denyal of Self and not be active in any thing that may justly be termed Rude or Ignorant but in those things that are Comely Decent and of good Report Observe This Concession overthrows much of his work against outward Methods Rules c. and condemns his Rudeness in much of his Book And if the Principle of Truth leads none to cross the Customs and Fashions of other Societies which in themselves are COMELY DECENT and of Good Report then not to cross nor oppose any Order Form or Custom of our Society which in it self is Comely Decent and of good Report and dare he affirm that there are no such Customs among us in our Societies and Meetings as in themselves are Comely Decent and of good Report or has he more Charity for the Customs and Fashions of other Societies than for ours which he has for so many Years owned and been in W. R. pag. 77. That J. VV. and J. S. gave forth a Paper at Drawell That he still owns with that Interpretation he and J. VV. give which if it will not bear then let them be judged c. Qu. Is not W. R. Partial in his History in not citing and publishing that Paper as he has others and yet still advocating for and highly applauding the Men as Ancient and Honourable Friends not exceeded in Godliness by any Mortal Man c. VVe ask if that Paper implies not something that was blamable on their parts but that they were wholly Innocent Touching that Paper accounted the Foundation of the seperate Meeting in the North as W. R. saith he appears Partial also in not citing it fully but leaving out what chiefly concerns Order and Discipline yea something of a form of Church-Government then owned by them where they mention their Chosen men to whom they gave Power their RECORDS their ORDERS Matters of their Concern c. And now John Story and John Wilkinson seeing William Rogers
any of those Monethly or Quarterly Meetings among Friends are not gathered together in the Name of Christ Part 1. p. 14. This Doctrine frequently of late publisht among us That the Apostacy shall never enter the generality more doth give us just occasion to be Jealous c. Part 3. pag. 78. I would NOT be understood to say that the Church of Christ is not Invested with Power from on high or that the Apostacy shall enter the Generality again Qu. Then why does he so often Quarrel with the Doctrine frequently published as he saith viz. That the Apostacy shall never enter the Generality more Part 1. pag. 47. On Mat. 18. 15 16 17. and 1 Cor. 6. 1 2 4. WE REASONABLY CONCLUDE that the words of Christ and the Apostle ONLY hinted at either Personal Offences or Differences touching WORLDLY Matters and that THEREIN the Duty of the Church was only to exhort to submit to their Connsel which if they did not they might justly be esteemed as Heathen men Part 3. pag. 36. On Mat. 18. 15 16 17. Some may object thus This relates not to outward Affairs but to Offences that are of a SPIRITUAL Nature In answer it may be said As to that the Scripture is wholly silent and therefore EVERY CASE wherein one Brother may Trespass against another may in RIHGHT REASON be comprehended in it Qu. Whether EVERY CASE be to be limitted only to WORLDLY MATTERS and not extend to any Cases or Offences of a Spiritual Nature Part 3. pag. 64. NOT the least Tittle to countenance this Sentence that the positive Sentence or Decision of the Church in matters of Conscience may be obligatory on Believers NAY in that very Case Mat. 18. 15 16. If he refuse to hear the Church let him be unto THEE as an Heathen man The Scripture doth not say that Sentence ought to be obligatory on all other Members of the Church of Christ to look upon him as an Heathen Man but it saith Let him be unto THEE as an Heathen Man Part 1. pag. 47. The duty of the Church was to exhort to submit to their Counsel which if they did not they might JUSTLY be esteemed as Heathen Men. And Part 3. pag. 36. If he neglect to hear the Church let him be unto thee as an Heathen Man when a Brother is through the DECLARATION of the Church become so to the other Brother c. EVERY CASE wherein one Brother may Trespass against another may according to Right Reason be comprehended in it Qu. Why then not a Heathen Man to the rest of the Church if they may justly be esteemed as Heathen Men that would not submit to the Churches Counsel seeing 't is confessed by W. R. to his own Confutation Part 1. pag. 52. That they who refuse to take the Churches wholsom Counsel or Admonition the Church may then declare such unworthy of their Society And is not this then obligatory on other Believers and Members Part 3. pag. 82. on Gal. 5. 2. 4. 9 10 11. This did not at that time condemn that CHRISTIAN LIBERTY and Forbearance which the Apostle before approved IN and with respect unto such as made Conscience of CIRCUMCISION And pag. 83. There were such as practised Circumcision yet a CHRISTIAN LIBERTY was so exercised as that we find not these differing Exercises IN A CHRISTIAN LIBERTY did subject any of those Believers exercised therein to the Censure of being out of the Unity of the Body Part 5. p. 74 75. NEITHER DID THEY i. e. the Apostles ENDEAVOUR to oblige those who practised Circumcision after they believed to forbear the same before by the Spirit they were led from it Pag. 75. on Gal. 5. 2. 4. 9 10 11. This did not at that time condemn that CHRISTIAN LIBERTY in such as made Conscience of Circumcision Part 1. pag. 73. The labour of the Apostles of Christ in the primitive Dayes was to DRAW the outward Jew FROM OFF the Observations of these Ordinances which were really established by the appointment of God himself having exalted instead thereof the WORD nigh in the Heart and Law written therein as a fulfilling of that which according to the Word of the Lord by the Mouth of his Prophet was to come to pass under the NEW COVENANT which was not like unto the OLD And Part 3. pag. 82. and Part 5. pag. 75. on Gal. 5. 2. I Paul say unto you If ye be CIRCUMCISED Christ shall profit you nothing a Qu. How can it be good Doctrine to account Circumcision a CHRISTIAN LIBERTY and an Exercise not Condemnable in Believers when the labour of the Apostles was To DRAW the outward Jew from off the Observation of these Ordinances Part 1. pag. 73. We appeal unto every understanding ingenious Reader whether it can consist with the tenure of the new Covenant for any to attempt the establishment or giving forth of outward Orders Prescriptions Sentences or Decrees to be a bond upon the Consciences of them who have believed in the everlasting Light Part 3. Title page The inward Government of Christ not represented by Persons visible by carnal Eyes invested with Power from him to Execute outward Laws Prescriptions Orders Edicts or Decrees in an outward Form of Government visible Part 3. pag. 23 24. NOT that I would be understood that it is not necessary to be in the Exercise of OUTWARD ORDER with respect to that Gospel-Discipline which becomes the Church of Christ. The Principle of Truth in these latter dayes hath and may FURTHER LEAD into the Practice of OUTWARD ORDER in DISCIPLINE with relation to the Church of Christ. Qu. Is not this a very fair Confession What would this man be at does he know Has he not here very plainly granted the thing we plead for viz. Outward Order and Gospel-Discipline in the Church What 's now become of W. R's contest against outward Order Discipline and Form of Church-Government visible c Part 3. pag. 34. The Apostle might well say Be ye not unwise but understand what the Will of the Lord is He doth NOT say what the will of the Church is but what the Will of the Lord is submitting your selves one to another in the fear of God Part 3. pag. 34. Though I say as aforesaid not the Church but what the Will of the Lord is Yet hereby I would not be understood to render Christ and his Church DIVIDED Qu. If Christ and his Church be not divided How does he oppose the will of the Church to the Will of the Lord His telling us of the Wills of those who depart from Christ this is not the will of the Church in Unity with him therefore his dividing the Church and Christ in Will stands not with that Unity Part 1. pag. 75. Outward Conformity to outward Rules and Orders relating to the Conscience establisht amongst the People called Quakers We have no ground either from the Word of God by the Mouths of his Prophets or from the Appearance of Christ
pretend the LIGHT CONDEMNS THEM NOT yet that their Deeds are evil and that the Light doth condemn the same though they may BE HARDNED AND SEE IT NOT so endeavour to awaken the Conscience that God's Witness may be heard Part 1. pag. 47. The duty of the Church was to exhort TO SUBMIT TO THEIR COUNSEL which if they did not they might JUSTLY be esteemed AS HEATHEN MEN. And pag. 52. If they refuse to take their WHOLSOME COUNSEL THE CHURCH may then declare such UNWORTHY of their Societies Part 3. pag. 36. EVERY CASE i. e. outward or Spiritual may in RIGHT REASON be Comprehended in it viz. in the Case mentioned by Christ in Mat. 18. 15 16 17. Query For what End then is the Church of Christ to admonish or counsel and the faithful Brethren to watch and take care over the Flock if their Sentence or Judgment be not binding to them in any case of Conscience Whether it relate to Spiritual or Temporal matters And why should God make use of Instruments to build Believers up in the most holy Faith as he confesseth part 2. pag. 65. if the Exhortations Reproofs and Instructions which he also grants be not binding on those other Believers For is not the most holy Faith a Spiritual matter and relating to Conscience As also Part 3. pag. 33. he confesseth That those who are invested with Power from on high may be Instruments in God's hand according to the Dispensation thereof given them of God to stir up the pure mind in others sometimes by way of ADMONITION EXHORTATION and SOUND DOCTRINE and sometimes by CHARGE or COMMAND according as the Spirit of the Lord MOVES and OPPERATES A plain Confession to Truth Now he speaks like some Embassadour of Christ but keeps not to this he is inconsistent we would ask him if such Admonition Charge and Command by such Instruments in God's hand be not binding on others to whom they are directed and if they be not obliging to their Consciences and if the Light in their Consciences doth not the more enforce them and make them binding VVhere is then the Imposition And hath the Church of Christ no Power to give forth any Commands or Precepts that are binding to Conscience All just Ones are binding But has not W. R. in his fifth part pag. 91 92. denounced a Sentence of Excommunication against G. F. as one that hath cut him-himself off from being a Member of the Body of Christ by departing from the Rock Christ and as one that for sometime past hath stood in a state of Separation Is not this a Sentence of Excommunication seeing he on this occasion saith It is not in the Power of any Mortal man or Assembly to Excommunicate from amongst the true Members of Christ's Body a Servant of the Living God Can W. R. expect this his Sentence of Excommunication to be binding on true Believers Consciences when he has so much opposed the Power of the Church of Christ to give forth Sentences and Judgments to be binding to the Consciences of Believers Has not he here assumed a Power and Jurisdiction above the Church of Christ And is not this Pope-like or Antichrist-like Doubtless he would have all Friends in Truth believe and receive his positive Sentence or else he would not have taken so much pains as he has done in Reviling setting at Naught Judging and Condemning many others far more Righteous and Innocent then himself for which and the Reproach he has brought upon Truth we are perswaded the Judgments of God hang over his Head and the Hand of the Lord is against that cruel jealous Spirit in him and God's Truth and Power hath Excluded and Excommunicated all his uncharitable Judgments usurped and unjust Excommunications his gross Abuses against the Innocent and Perversions of Truth and foul Aspersions together with his Fallacies and Self-contradictions are numerous and manifold We wish the Lord in Mercy may yet incline his Heart to seek Repentance before he dye that he may not end his dayes in Horror and Anguish A Catalogue of some of WILLIAM ROGERS his manifest FALSHOODS Notorious SLANDERS Scandalous ABUSES PERVERSIONS RAILING SCOFFING FLATTERING and REVILING in the 4th and 5th Parts of his Book and Preface against George Fox and others in W. R's own words and terms with Interlineary Notes upon them I. THat of THOSE who in derision have been called QUAKERS by whom the Principle of Truth hath been held forth and owned it may be now said the Enemy hath so prevailed as that the Seeds of Discention and Discord sown amongst them have taken so deep Root as that THEIR PUBLICK Meetings for Worship in several parts of this Nation have been the Stages of Contention These we take to be Infamous and Scandalous too general to be true against the said People and their Meetings II. Page 4. That they are Persecuting Opposers who oppose J. W. and J. S. VVould W. R. be counted a Persecutor for his opposing others more vehemently III. Page 5. That Imagination hath so possessed the Hearts of MANY that travel under the notion of Ministring Friends as that instead of manifesting a divine Understanding or speaking the Word of Truth they have brought forth the Fruits of an unsound Mind shewing forth no better Resemblances than the confused Chaos before the Creation c. A gross Scandalon many Ministring Friends IV. Pag. ibid. That either the multitude of Iniquity or great Hatred through the Influence of G. F. possessing the Hearts of such is the occasion thereof viz. of their shewing no better Resemblance A great Scandal still V P. ibid. Of the present Seperation in some parts c. that G. F. hath been one of those very Persons occasioning the Differences to arise unto the heighth they now are And pag. 6. One chief Instrument that a destroying and devouring Spirit hath entred into some among the Flock and that many a simple Honest-hearted Friend to Truth and Righteousness have received and believed Lyes and slanderous false Reports against many Brethren c. Pag. 6. And that the Blood of many such if they Perish before true Repentance will be laid at G. F's Door Gross and Abusive Charges against G. F. and many Honest-hearted Friends VI. Pag 15 16. That in G. F's second Query to J. VV. seems to be implyed if from a Query any thing may properly be implyed then it must be asserted that there is either one or more that have Power to impose in the Will of Man that which the Scripture gives no Authority or Warrant for compared with his foregoing words pag. 15. viz. That the People called Quakers ought to practise things imposed by Man or in the Will of Man c. A most slanderous Perversion VII Pag. 30. That G. F. hath described himself one unto whom Infallible Judgment hath been committed in ALL things This is suspected at least for an Untruth till proved VIII Pag. 32 33. That some amongst the People called Quakers known to
in leaving out Account of William Mead's Engaging on G. F's behalf for his giving W. R. a Meeting but W. R. would not accept of his Security in that Case The Matter was more particularly thus viz. William Mead understanding that Nicholas Lucas and John Barnard were concerned on William Rogers's behalf for the bringing forth of his Book in Print he asked them the reason Why they would bring forth such a Book as he heard it was They told him That George Fox would not give W. R. a Meeting William Mead replyed That he did believe that G. F. would not decline giving him a Meeting Nicholas Lucas asked him If he would Engage he should give him a Meeting William Mead told him 'T was not Proper so to engage till he had spoken with G. F. first VVhereupon William forthwith went and spake with G. F. about it who very freely and readily answered That if William Rogers desired it he would meet him in his own way before Persons chosen on each side provided he came within a certain time while he staid in or about the City VVith which Answer the very next day on the Exchange William Mead acquainted Nicholas Lucas then adding That he now would Engage on G. F's behalf that he should certainly give VV. R. a Meeting VVhereupon Nicholas Lucas seemed to be satisfied and said He would stay the coming forth of the Book and said He would write to VVilliam Rogers about it Some time after Nicholas Lucas meeting William Mead upon the Exchange told him He had writ to VVilliam Rogers and received his Answer which was THAT HE WOULD HAVE IT UNDER GEORGE FOX HIS HAND William Mead forthwith again spake with G. F. about it who said He mattered not the giving it under his Hand but that he was sensible they would make an ill use of it in Print for which very cause only he forbore giving it under his hand but did not refuse giving W. R. a Meeting However then William Mead did proffer very earnestly to Engage on behalf of G. F. for his certain giving W. R. a Meeting Nicholas Lucas his Answer was That VVilliam Rogers would not take his Security in this matter A summary Collection of more Passages and Acknowledgments in William Rogers his Book which may stand for Answer to him and in Condemnation against himself and to the manifest Confutation of all that he has written or can write in general against a Form of Church-Government outward Order Discipline c. in his own words granting to Truth OUr Expectations were that every Member should there appear in subjection to Christ the Head and higher Power unto which as Members of his Body we owe Obedience In this sence we readily embraced the Counsel to meet together to Serve but not to bear Rule over one anothers Consciences and the matters intended by us to be transacted in those Meetings and by others also as far as we understood were chiefly to take care of the Poor the Fatherless and the Widdow and that if any professed the Truth and Dishoncured the same by Prophane and Evil Conversation we might by such wayes and means as the Lord on every occasion might direct Part 1. pag. 38. We are not against appointed Meetings for the outward Services of Truth for that hath been and is our Practice knowing that there may be a Service therein as occasion offers provided all in such Meetings may be kept in Humility as Servants each to other and the Truth not Exercising Lordship over the Conscience which is God's Prerogative Part 2. pag. 64 65. The Author to the Hebrews tell us That Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our Faith No doubt this was not a work done in a Moment or Twinckling of an Eye for though he is the Authour Object of every true Christian Faith yet we learn from the holy Scriptures that such as believed that Jesus was the Lord stood in need of many Exhortations Reproofs and Instructions to build them up in the most holy Faith and all this may be attributed to Christ the Author thereof Part 3. pag. 34. The Apostles Labours were to establish the Churches in the Faith and in the Power having them so established to be in the Practice of that Form which the Power either had or should lead them into and therefore the Apostle might well say Be ye not unwise but understanding what the VVill of the Lord is submitting your selves one to another in the fear of God Part 3. pag. 41. If Differences arise between Brother and Brother I do conclude that going to Law before Unbelievers is an Indication that one or both are departed from the Truth and that it is the Duty of such who are at variance to request such Brethren as are skilled in the matters touching which they differ to hear and determine the Case and then of a willing and ready Mind and not as by constraint to submit unto such Determination and that it ought to be as an incumbant Duty on the Members of Christs Church to be watching over one another so as that by wholsom Counsel Admonition and sound Doctrine all Variance Strife Emulation Rents and Divisions both in relation to Temporal as well as Spiritual Matters may as much as in them lies be kept out from amongst the Members of Christs Body Part 3. pag. 23. Not that I would be understood that it s not necessary to be in the Exercise of outward Order with respect to that Gospel Discipline which becomes the Church of Christ Pag. 24. The Principle of Truth in these latter dayes hath and may further lead into the Practice of outward Order in Discipline with relation to the Church of Christ. This is a very fair Confession in words to the Overthrow of much of his Book Part 4. pag. 38. John Wilkinson and John Story their Testimony viz. That inward Sence and heavenly Understanding we have received from God hath and yet doth confirm us in this Judgment That 't is not agreeable with the Line of Truth to oppose others in the Exercise and appointed Service of the said Meetings as heretofore and yet settled and agreed upon who being Conscientious therein And if any of our words and actions have had any tendency to oppose we say the Truth in us would have condemned it even as it now doth Part 4. pag. 24. As perticular Members are become Marryed unto Christ and having all fellowship each with other in the Spirit those who are such ought to demean themselves each towards other full of Love Charity Bowels of Compassion Long-suffering Forbearance Meekness Humility Patience Gentleness and all other Virtues that are the Fruits of the Spirit of God A fair Acknowledgment good Words but these Virtues and Fruits are awanting in W. R. How do these Acknowledgments agree with his Uncharitable Unchristian Dealing in his Book Part 4. pag. 100. Such who contend that their Order for Gospel Discipline ought to spring from Truth within