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A85130 The brazen serpent lifted up on high, or truth cleared and above the deceit exalted, and as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wildernesse: even so must the son of man be lifted up, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish but have eternall life. Joh. 3. 14. 15. Here is also laid down in this treatise something, concerning election and and [sic] predestination, which is so much spoken of, and how they may know their election, something concerning Christ being the way to the Father; and how, and concerning Christ, the mediatour of the new covenants, and the end of the old, and tythes are ended. ... Lastly, here is part of a dispute, held between two chief priests, and two men that came and met with them, and the people at Chadwitch in Worcestershire; ... to clear the truth form accusations, held forth by those men that the world scornfully calleth Quakers. Written in Worcestershire, the beginning of the first moneth called March. 1655. R. F. (Richard Farnworth), d. 1666. 1655 (1655) Wing F471; Thomason E831_10; ESTC R207464 47,825 63

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of sin and son of the Devill read Rom. 6.16 Joh. 8.34 1. Joh. 3.8 hearken to the light within you that checks and reproves you for sin and obey that that will not deceive you but if you obey and follow it it will teach you when such as doth draw you from the teachings or Christ within such doth seduce you 1 Joh. 2.26 27. come to the light to be led into the holy life and into the pure worship of God in the spirit obey the light take up the crosse to your wills and come to Christ come out of your false churches and of from your proud Priests and off from your false Pastors to Christ the true shepheard and bishop of the soul and the true Pastor and feeder of his flock and come to the church in God 1 Thes 1.1 Heb. 12.22 23. and their overseers made by the holy Ghost Act. 20.28 is known and elders in Christ 1 Pet. 5. and there is no constraint nor for filthy lucre and such as dwell in the power knowes the voice of the Father and the Son to speak in the Church and amongst such Ioh. 10.4 Gal. 4.6 Luk. 12.12 Act. 2.4 Mat. 10.20 Take heed to that which is pure of God in your consciences and obey it that which calls for a pure conversation 1 Pet. 1.13 14 15 16. and let your light so shine before men that they may see your good conversation and come out of your sprinkling of infants it is no ordinance of Christ come follow the light and come out of your false baptisme all that you may be buried with Christ in the true baptisme Rom. 6.1 in the suffering and witnesse that through the crosse and so a fellowship with him in the new life ver 3 4. and be baptized into Christ so put him on Gal. 3.27 and by one spirit witnesse that baptisme into one body 1 Cor. 12.11 12 13. where there is one Lord one faith one baptisme and so of such one God and one Father of them all who are of the houshold of God in that church which is the piller and ground of the truth Eph. 4 4 5 6 7. 2 Tim. 2.19 1 Tim. 3.15 Come all you that are weary and heavy laden Mat. 11.28 saith Christ and I will give you rest obey the light and come out of your sins take up the crosse and deny your wills and forsake your iniquities 2 Tim 2.19 and Christ will receive you and elect you he is the foundation of election obey him that you may be laid on him and builded up into the election 1 Pet. 2.4 5. and give all diligence to have the assurance of calling and election 2 Pet. 1.9 10. Christ Jesus he is the light and the way to the Father and the authour both of election and salvation to all that obey him Ephes 1.10 Ephes 2.7 8 18 19. Ephes 3.9 10 11. Heb. 5.8 9. Now Christ Jesus he is the true light that lighteth every man that comes into the world and with his light you see darknesse in you and rebellion and wickednesse and he the true light cal●s you by his light to forsake darknesse wickednesse rebellion sin and evil and he calls you with his light to come out of darknesse 1 Joh. 1.5 and follow him that gives you light that with it you may be led on to him Christ Jesus to the Father of lights and into the marvellous light 1 Pet. 2.9.10 And now that you are called and perswaded by the light to obey and follow it if you will not obey and follow the same but continue in their wilfulnesse sinfulnesse and rebellion taking pleasure in wickednesse and so love darknesse rather then the light and disobey the truth to take pleasure in unrighteousnesse then great will your condemnation and damnation be Ioh. 1.5 9. Ioh. 8.12 Ioh. 14.6 Ioh. 3.19 20. 2 Thes 2.7 8 9 10 11 12. and 2 Thessal 1.8 9. Romans 1.18 Revel 20.10 Rev. 21.8 27. Election and Predestination stands in the counsell of God Those things concerning Election and Predestination stands in the counsell of God and are hid from all the wise and prudent of the world Isa 29.10 11 c. 1 Cor. 1.20 21. 1 Cor. 3.19 20. Col. 1.26 27. Isa 29.16 17 18 19 22 23 24. Rev. 5.1 2 3 4 5. 1 Cor. 1.18 Eph 2. 1 Cor. 6.17 Heb. 2.10 11. yet the secrets of God are with them that fear him and he is pleased to reveal his counsell and such things to babes and those babes are born again contrary to the will of man Ioh. 3.6 7. Ioh. 3.10 11 12. Ioh. 1 22 23. and such as witnessed election and predestination were such as were born again of water and the spirit that the Scriptures speaketh of and knew the mysteries opened in them and to them and saw what God fore knew to predestinate and what to reprobate learn to deny your selves and obey the light that you may be taught of God to know the same and to know the two seeds within and learn to see and know that except you be born again you cannot enter into the kingdom of God nor witnesse assurance of the eternall inheritance nor of election therefore busie not your minds about those things in your wills and fleshly natures for from such and the serpents seed are they hid praised be the Lord Mat. 11 15 26 27. But ye have a light to the which ye do well to take heed unto to obey and follow the light of Christ within in your consciences which checks and reproves you in secret for sin and evill and if you love and obey that light it will teach you and guide you to the sword to know the power to cut and bruise the serpents head within you and so through the crosse to witnesse a suffering with Christ in the mystery through the ministery in the crosse and so know a bearing about in your bodies the dying of the Lord dayly that the light of Christ may through the crosse by slaying the enmity be manifested to your souls and in your mortall flesh 2 Cor. 4.6 7. to the 12. that through the obedience to the light within and the eternall truth through the spirit your souls may be purified 1 Pet. 1.22.23 and the seed raised up by the power of God which Christ taketh upon him and not the nature of Angells and so to witnesse the birth and bearing up over the world and through the quickenings and working of the divine power to know your souls joined to the seed and so to God by being changed from glory to glory into the pure holy image by the spirit of the eternall God to know election in the ground and truths as they are in life and power thereof enjoyed through the obedience to him and his light guide Mat. 25.28 29 30. Mat. 25.41 to the end 2 Thes 1.8 9. and spirit to witnesse the salt seal savoury discerning and holy unction which teacheth all things 2 Cor.
drunken man and had Ezekiell Daniel and the men that were with him been here now and done so trembled and quaked as the Scripture witnesseth of them Ier. 23.9 Ier. 5.22 Ier. 30.5 6. Hab. 3.16 Ezek. 12 18. Dan. 10.8 9 10 11. the Priests of England and their people would have been ready to have said these men had been deluded or mad and have been ready to have reviled them and to have called them Quakers Yet they can take such mens words to professe and trade withall for mony but despise their conditions and magnify themselves against the people of God that witnesseth their conditions and that power which they did and such are now by the Priests of England and their people reproachfully called Quakers but you that reproach the people of God and magnify your selves against them read what the Lord will do to you Mat. 5.10 11 12. Luk. 6.22 23. 1 Pet. 4 13.14 and such like as is spoken of in the prophesie of Zeph. 2.9 10 11. And though we be reviled and reproached by the name of Quakers yet we can gladly rejoyce that we are counted worthy to suffer reproach for the name of Christ to us reproaches are great riches for Christs sake as they was to the holy men of God and to Moses who did exceedingly fear and quake Heb. 11.25 26. Heb. 12.21 The ground and manner of the meeting The meeting at Chadwitch in Worcestershire on the 21 day of the 12 month between the 2 men by the world scornfully called Quakers and the 2 Priests to wit one Priest Osland Pastor to an independent company as they say at Bewdley and one Andrew Trusterom Priest at Clent To the 2 Priests that were at the meeting and others of their party the day aforesaid some passages laid before them to look on and take into consideration and the manner and ground of our meeting in brief as followeth The meeting at Chadwitch in Worcestershire the day aforesaid we whom the world scornfully called Quakers had appointed that day set apart to meet with the people there abouts that used there to meet with others that might come into us that day not knowing any thing of your being there till we came at the place where the meeting was appointed and when we came at the meeting house we found you 2 Priests got peaking up Pharisee like and had been labouring to incense the people against us crying our against false prophets and seducers and p oved to be those same your selves whom some of the people had opposed before we came so finding you peark'c above them and jangling with them out of the envy and pride of your hearts before we came so seeing that I pressed in amongst the people to get in to stand before your faces as I was constrained and moved and with much pressing the throng was so great I pressed through the throng until I came and stood before you the 2 Priests whereupon you made a speech that all the people would be silent but I that you and I might speak together c. But I was not free in my spirit to have the spirits of others tyed up by my promise therefore I opened my mouth to speak as I were guided by the spirit of my Father Mat. 10 20. and said unto you also that the room was very throng so for the truthes sake and for the good of the people there gathered together and for conveniences sake also it would be better to go forth of the doors upon the green hill that all people might hear and be kept cool but that you refused and then would not but said if that I would ask you a question you would answer me or if I would you would ask me a question and I would answer you or if you not be interrupted you would speak or to the effects or if I would speak you would hear me c. Whereupon to that I told you again I had appointed that meeting with the people and had something from the Lord to declare to that people there gathered together so be silent till I have done or declared what from the Lord I have here this day to declare to this people and then if you would have me to ask you a question that I shall do afterwards if God permits whereupon to that yon 2 Priests granted and sat down so by your promise you were bound to hear me and be silent till I had done as aforesaid if you had regarded your word and also after that you were bound accordingly from your own proposition and by your promise to answer my question which was to propound unto you So after that silent I stood a while and a woman bad me to speak and speak up aloud but I to her answered and said woman I am not to be commanded by thee but by the Lord and as he pleaseth so I shall speak whose power I am subject unto and to be ordered by also disposed of according to the good pleasure of his divine will in whose counsell I now do stand Then after that according to the good pleasure of the Lord who had ordered and did order to his praise and according to the assistance of his holy spirit and the working of his divine power I did declare the truth of God as it were witnessed to the witnesse of God in all consciences that were present and heard and shall be witnessed before the judgement seat of Christ for my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of mans wisdom but in demonstration of the spirit and of power c. 1 Cor. 2.3 4. Rom. 2.16 And blessed are they who continue with patience in the well doing 2 Cor. 6. Rom. 2.7 that obey and follow the light and counsell of the word of truth answered within by the light of Christ in their consciences through the mystery of godlinesse Col. 1.27 28. But such as are contentious and disobey the truth to obey unrighteousnesse their portion will be grievous woe and misery 2 Thes 1.6.7 8 9. 2 Thes 2.7.8.9.10.11.12 then indignation and wrath tribulation and anguish Rom. 2.8.9 whether Priest or people But though the truth was that day declared in much power and many of your party at the first and others were pricked at the heart and were much tendered and convinced and many did secretly and some openly confesse to the truth and your selves confessed to that which you said I held forth concerning mortification of sin and the resurrection and other truths till your practises were touched and the worlds churches tythes preaching for hire bearing rule by their means seeking for their gain from their quarter and such like things were declared against at which you the Priests startled who before were convinced of the truth declared and had sighed sobbed and groned in your spirits very often as many can witnesse and as that in your consciences which is my witnesse for Gods truth declared and answer