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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A85827	A discours apologetical; wherein Lilies lewd and lowd lies in his Merlin or Pasqil for the yeer 1654. are cleerly laid open; his shameful desertion of his own cause is further discovered; his shameless slanders fullie refuted; and his malicious and murtherous mind, inciting to a general massacre of Gods ministers, from his own pen, evidentlie evinced. Together with an advertisement concerning two allegations produced in the close of his postscript. And a postscript concerning an epistle dedicatorie of one J. Gadburie. By Tho. Gataker B.D. autor [sic] of the annotations on Jer. 10.2 and of the vindication of them.	Gataker, Thomas, 1574-1654.	1654 (1654)	Wing G319; Thomason E731_1; ESTC R202124	96,485	112

own words alios ex suo judicat ingenio that by his own disposition he judgeth of them But what is the cours then that a meer English man must take for the sure grounding of his Faith yea not a meer English man onelie but any lerned or unlerned Pastor or People for that which he beats upon and drives at as well in his English Discours as in his Latin Debate concerneth as wel Teachers as people taught and extendeth it self unto anie Translation not our English alone and Interpretation also whatsoever It is this By adhering to a Church of sound learning and sufficient autoritie such autoritie as may reasonablie put a stop to controversies that he may be able producing the autoritie of such a known Church to lay his hand upon the Book and say This is the Original And to this purpose he professeth reverentlie to imbrace those Preachers who are deeplie founded upon the sense and sentence of the Holie Ghost speaking by the Church and that the reason why the Doctrine of the Fathers is deemed tru not because found agreeable to Gods word the rule whereby the Apostles were content to have their Doctrine tried but why then because it was the Doctrine of the tru Church in which and of which they were Such a Church belike as neither did nor could hold anie error And he concludes therefore in another of his Works that when we have done what men can do if the Interpreters of Scripture be not spirited with the same Spirit to wit of Infallibilitie with which the Writers thereof were spirited they shall never give spiritual and secure judgement proportionablie to the Prophetical and Apostolical Spirit yea infalliblie if it be not moreover infalliblie known that they are divinelie spirited they cannot inbreath into us such knowledg that shal qiet and allay our exasperated and troubled hearts and this the subtil Doctor Scotus binds with an infallible reason No man perfectly and firmlie beleivs him let him be Interpreter of the words or sense of whom he knows he can deceiv or be deceived in such things as having no securitie of Direction from the gracious and manifest promise of God Now what doth all this drive to but that no man learned or unlearned can have anie firm ground whereon to fix his faith but by recours and adherence to a Church that is infalliblie known to be generallie infallible And what Church he must of necessity mean and intend I shall not need to tell anie that knows ought in the Controversies between Rome and us For the truth is no particular Church since the Apostles dayes nay nor in their time save as it was from time to time directed and informed by some one of them surviving either ever had or ever did or durst that appears lay claim to anie such priviledge of a general Infallibilitie the presumptuous and groundless challenge of the Modern Romish Church by virtu forsooth of the Popes late introduced Autoritie onelie excepted And what this Design then drives to anie one that hath but half an ey may easilie disery Yea but the Difficultie he saith was never before propounded that he ever found or heard by anie Church or person in such manner and making such an assault as he doth here That he hath indeed herein exceeded all other Writers for ought I know even the Papists themselves I shall readilie condescend unto him For howsoever the Romanists and Popish Doctors hold that the Pope some of them a General Council other of them cannot erre in determining ought concerning matter of Faith or Life yet none of them that I ever read or heard of affirm that either Church or Pope can Infalliblie determine wheresoever there are anie various readings in the Hebrew or Greek Text or wheresoever anie word in either is ambiguous neither making anie material or momentous difference which is the right reading or ●hich the genuine sense of the word which yet Degree of Infallibilitie this ●an necessarilie reqires as that without which no firm footing or sure ground for our Faith can be found Yea but his Will-strong Objector he saith sayes that the proposal of his Difficultie induceth to Atheism and this contradicts what I here say and others it seems before me have said for if it put to the Church of Rome how induceth it to Atheism which denies both God and Church Sir I make no doubt but that manie Points and Practises in Poperie when the absurdity of them comes to be discovered and the end discried for which they were at first introduced and are still stiflie maintained induce millions unto Atheism For example When people shall be told that the Pope for the time being is Christs Vicar General to rule and govern the whole Christian Church and that there is no certain and infallible way of determining doubts in the Christian Religion but by recours unto him and shall withal consider what maner of creatures manie of the Popes themselvs have been will it not think we indeed instead of pulling to Rome which yet is the main drift of it push rather to Atheism to hear or read it consequentlie maintained that insanus juvenis a mad Lad not above eighteen yeer old at most such as Baronius reports John the twelfth to have been yea p●er fermè decennis a boy of about ten as Rhodolphus Glaber of Benet the ninth or one that lives so loosly and lewdlie that he is not undeservedlie deemed if not to denie yet at the least and best not to believ those two main Articles of the Creed the Resurrection of the dead and Life eternal as Bellarmine himself acknowledgeth of John the 23. or one that accounts and calls the Story of the Gospel Fabulam Christi a Tale of Christ as Jerome that piece of Apocrypha Fabulam Tobiae the Tale of Tobias which of Leo the 10. Bale testifies to be the Supreme Judge of all Controversies in the Church and his Dictates such as are to be received by the whole Christian World as undoubtedlie tru and unfalliblie right in all things concerning either Faith or Life and of divers other Popish Tenets and Practises as of Transubstantiation the Popes Indulgences and Dispensations c. the like may be averred But to answer you in few words That which tends to the utter subversion of mens faith by endeavouring to introduce an utter uncertaintie of that which is the onelie sure ground of their faith without such a help as is no where to be had doth it not pave a plain and prone path unto Atheism But so doth that which you here propose beyond in some sort as your self confess what anie Romanist ever did For to make men not sillie people onelie but even the lernedst of them utterly uncertain of the genuine sense of Scripture and Gods Oracles more ambiguous then Apollo Loxias dark Riddles and Heraclitus 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 his Dictates were you tell

of his approbation and wel-liking of those Imnovations that he had here brought in he professed as is avowed by persons of good credit who themselvs then heard him that he found our Church at his return in a far better condition then when he left it and that no man religiouslie affected would refuse to bow to the Alter Again in the fore mentioned work he informs his Reader that in these our Western parts there are more ebbings and flowings more sea-alterations wave-motions of Religion then elswhere and the Church of Rome holds Truth fast manie times when others wretchedlie betray it And he doth he saith sincerelie confess that even in that his Discours concerning Baptism he walks beyond ordinarie walkings upon the grounds of the Church of Rome as indeed he doth both in admitting a wide difference between the Baptism of John and the Baptism of Christ and the efficacie and effects of either Ch. 30. As also in avowing infalliblie an infusion of Habitual Grace and Perfection of Sanctification in Baptism of Infants Chap. 18. 19 21 25. And both in coining such a character in Baptism imprinted on the soul as no Sacrament in the Old Testament had Chap. 14. In stating the necessitie of Baptism unto Salvation ne cessitate medii Chap. 89. to which purpose also he alledgeth from a counterfait Justine who concludes as he saith in the rebound after much bandying of the business that baptized Infants are saved unbaptized Infants are not saved leaving us to save our selvs as we can Again for unwritten Traditions he telleth us In verbo Sacerdotis Christiani in the word of a Christian Priest we must be Cabalists in some sense and receiv with a plavdit the distinction of Gods Word into written and unwritten He wishes further that when he came over he could have transferred from Rome into England and our Vniversities two precious Jewels School-Divinitie and Mystical-Divinitie Of the former whereof to wit School-Divinitie wherin al the Bodie of Popish Erroneous Superstitious Prodigious and Idolatrous Dictates and Doctrines ar couched maintained which consists for a great part of it of fond frivolous and fruitles debates whereof some himself toucheth in his Wash-bowl For as for the sober sounder and useful part of School Lerning our Universities want it not and his wish therefore is herein needles as the lerned Works of our Writers that deal in Controversies do evidentlie shew albeit that in their English Practical and Didactical Discourses they discreetlie forbear to make use of it because it is not so congruous to popular apprehensions But of that Romish School-Divinitie which he wishes derived from Rome into our Universities he thus speaks I folow the Discours of mine own heart in the deep Tracts of School-Divinitie the Title of Doctor Profundus belike he may challenge the strength and marow whereof I find after long use to be superlativelie strong and useful above the marrow and strength of Lions altho the crassipelles thick-skinned Preachers such ar all ours to this Dr. Subtilis that he may have Scotus his title too dabling and wading in the shalow think shalowlie of it Of the latter to wit The spiritual Magazine of Mystical Divinitie as he termeth it thus The defect hereof hath rendred the leaders of these wretched and leaden people thus he reckons our Protestant people in comparison of the Papists wretchedlie deficient and altogether sinking within themselvs Where as hereby they might have made better and stronger use of their strong or strange rather imaginations meer humane fancies as the mystical Divines have taught Such to wit as plaie and sport themselvs with Gods sacred Oracles and exercise their wanton wits in writhing and wrigling them to and fro 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 like some Puppets or Engins artificiallie framed that with screws and devices may be turned into what shapes and figures men lust That which he and some other of his strain yea to manie of our Novellists among us to freqentlie practise and whereof in these his writings he hath given such absurd immodest irreligious and ridiculous Paterns and Instances as were sufficient to make anie modest religious ingenuous or judicious persons to loath and abhor it Not unlike herein to that great French-man a man otherwise of eminent parts who commending to Scholars and Students this kind of studie propounds withal for a Sample such a piece of a fantastical Jew as would make anie pious Christian mans stomak to rise within him at the reading of it But of such stuff we have to much among us alreadie which even the soberer sort of Popish Writers themselvs mislike and we are wel content it rest where it is wishing it rather exiled wholie from us and the monopolie of it confirmed and confined unto those of the Romish Synagog Add hereunto his Popish reckoning of the seven Hed-sins and his Frierlie conceit in a ridiculous application of Christs several seven bleedings for the cure of them Also his pleading for the setled and immoveable Font for the baptizing of Infants which the Presbyterians he saith have brought to a moveable and unsettled Puedish But will ye see him treading more exactlie in the steps of that more eminent mount ain-bellied as he cals him Proteus or Vertumnus to whom his Censurer he saith compared him and to whom for bulk of bodie and bellie he vicissim compares that Censurer of him where he makes his confession as he would do it he saith and it were upon his death-bed I most heartilie denie saith he and defie renounce abhor and protest against the presumption pride and avarice of Popes their Nephews and Cardinals the deceitful dealing of Priests Jesuits Moncks and Friers and against all other Doctrines that bear the tru mark and hecceitie of corruption Would not Spalatensis think we qestionles Yea Cardinal Bellarmine or Baronius himself have said as much and much more what there follows For immediatlie in the verie next words he spends a whole page and more in a transcendent commendation of the Papists for their faithful conservation of the Sacred Articles of Catholick and Apostolick Doctrine their wel-ordered Zeal admirable and most ravishing Devotions Deiform Intentions Heroical acts of Vertu Fastings Prayings Recollections Meditations Introversions Aspirations Humiliations Mortifications Abnegations of themselves c. As if all tru Zeal sound Devotion and sincere Pietie or the highest strains thereof at least were wholie cloistered up in the Popish Monasteries among their Votaries of whose Acts with us what they were Bales two whole Books may shew and what they ar and have been elswhere the testimonies of their own Writers in Illyricus his Catalog and Wolfs Memoralia may sufficientlie enform or were to be found in the Romish Church if not alone yet in a far greater eminencie then in anie other All which things he saith he doth most humblie embrace receiv approv with all his soul heart and spirit and he