out_o question_n be_v of_o the_o church_n visible_a more_o than_o so_o god_n may_v require_v we_o to_o come_v out_o of_o babylon_n even_o we_o that_o be_v not_o there_o for_o such_o a_o command_n be_v no_o more_o but_o to_o prevent_v our_o go_v thither_o forasmuch_o as_o the_o same_o person_n that_o be_v further_a from_o babylon_n in_o this_o present_a estate_n be_v there_o even_o there_o already_o in_o possibility_n because_o the_o holy_a man_n that_o live_v live_v in_o the_o flesh_n or_o humane_a nature_n and_o therefore_o may_v he_o be_v carry_v to_o babylon_n because_o babylon_n be_v heresy_n or_o at_o least_o include_v it_o and_o heresy_n be_v a_o fruit_n of_o the_o flesh_n by_o this_o time_n i_o hope_v his_o whole_a discourse_n as_o well_o â—hat_n be_v to_o the_o purpose_n as_o what_o be_v beside_o the_o purpose_n be_v full_o clear_v and_o satisfy_v wherein_o â—hine_v depart_v from_o the_o liberty_n of_o a_o answerer_n of_o love_n and_o desire_v to_o satisfy_v the_o reader_n chap._n 10._o our_o opponent_n b._n his_o second_o argument_n he_o urge_v we_o cap._n 9_o pag._n 37._o with_o a_o second_o argument_n conclude_v after_o this_o manner_n that_o society_n which_o want_v the_o nature_n of_o a_o true_a church_n deny_v fundamental_a truth_n direct_o not_o by_o consequence_n but_o the_o present_a romish_a church_n do_v not_o deny_v fundamental_a truth_n direct_o but_o by_o consequence_n at_o the_o most_o for_o the_o pope_n arithmetic_n which_o he_o use_v in_o calculate_v the_o article_n of_o faith_n be_v not_o subrstaction_n but_o addition_n therefore_o the_o present_a romish_a church_n want_v not_o the_o nature_n of_o a_o true_a church_n the_o assumption_n and_o conclusion_n be_v set_v down_o pag_n 41._o and_o the_o title_n of_o the_o chapter_n pag_n 37._o the_o proposition_n be_v want_v in_o pag._n 21_o 22._o he_o write_v thus_o our_o adversary_n in_o this_o cause_n do_v bring_v the_o denial_n of_o the_o foundation_n of_o faith_n as_o a_o medium_n to_o 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it_o be_v frame_v in_o these_o term_n chap._n 11._o of_o the_o same_o argument_n new_o frame_v that_o society_n which_o want_v the_o nature_n of_o a_o true_a church_n do_v in_o word_n and_o profess_o deny_v the_o scripture_n and_o christ_n come_v to_o save_v sinner_n but_o the_o present_a romish_a church_n do_v not_o in_o word_n and_o profess_o deny_v the_o scripture_n and_o christ_n come_v to_o save_v sinner_n therefore_o the_o present_a romish_a church_n want_v not_o the_o nature_n of_o a_o true_a church_n his_o proof_n for_o this_o assumption_n be_v two_o the_o one_o pag._n 126._o in_o these_o word_n offer_v the_o fundamental_a word_n to_o they_o of_o the_o romish_a church_n and_o none_o among_o they_o will_v refuse_v to_o subscribe_v unto_o they_o the_o other_o be_v his_o five_o argument_n pag._n 59_o &c_n &c_n to_o prove_v the_o main_a question_n so_o desirous_a he_o be_v to_o make_v show_n of_o plenty_n that_o one_o shall_v be_v divide_v into_o two_o rather_o than_o he_o will_v be_v short_a in_o number_n in_o that_o he_o write_v thus_o in_o our_o disputation_n with_o they_o we_o do_v not_o prove_v that_o christ_n come_v to_o save_v sinner_n but_o we_o bring_v it_o in_o proof_n against_o they_o pag._n 62._o and_o this_o say_v he_o be_v a_o tacit_a consent_n of_o all_o we_o that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v not_o direct_o deny_v the_o foundation_n pag._n 61._o in_o pag_n 70._o he_o write_v thus_o i_o will_v glad_o see_v the_o testimony_n of_o but_o one_o in_o estimation_n for_o his_o learning_n among_o we_o that_o ever_o affirm_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n to_o deny_v the_o foundation_n of_o faith_n direct_o the_o church_n of_o england_n have_v not_o pass_v any_o such_o sentence_n upon_o she_o some_o of_o we_o touch_v this_o matter_n have_v write_v thus_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n deny_v christ_n jesus_n direct_o not_o by_o consequence_n only_o at_o this_o our_o opponent_n b._n pag._n 122._o grow_v very_o angry_a and_o crave_v pardon_n for_o break_v his_o 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shall_v cease_v to_o be_v one_o in_o these_o word_n this_o sentence_n be_v imply_v the_o faith_n of_o the_o church_n may_v be_v right_a and_o true_a false_a and_o erroneous_a together_o viz._n in_o different_a article_n and_o he_o do_v express_o avouch_v the_o same_o in_o divers_a passage_n of_o his_o book_n viz._n the_o present_a church_n of_o rome_n be_v corrupt_v and_o deform_v yet_o have_v the_o true_a essence_n of_o a_o church_n pag._n 30._o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v a_o religion_n more_o after_o homer_n then_o after_o the_o scripture_n and_o yet_o hold_v fundamental_a truth_n pag._n 4._o in_o the_o pope_n arithmetic_n article_n of_o faith_n be_v add_v pag._n 39_o such_o affirmative_n of_o we_o as_o concern_v the_o foundation_n of_o faith_n be_v profess_v by_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n pag_n 41._o and_o nothing_o be_v more_o frequent_a with_o he_o than_o word_n to_o this_o effect_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n that_o be_v all_o those_o which_o lie_v in_o that_o religion_n make_v up_o one_o body_n or_o society_n be_v not_o babylon_n in_o the_o revelation_n but_o that_o babylon_n be_v a_o faction_n in_o that_o church_n pag._n 100_o the_o papacy_n be_v not_o the_o church_n but_o the_o disease_n of_o the_o church_n the_o papacy_n be_v in_o the_o church_n as_o a_o accident_n in_o the_o subject_n we_o must_v distinguish_v betwixt_o the_o church_n and_o the_o papacy_n pag._n 28_o 29._o we_o have_v learn_v to_o distinguish_v betwixt_o the_o church_n and_o the_o great_a whore_n in_o the_o church_n we_o have_v communion_n with_o the_o church_n we_o separate_v from_o babylon_n pag._n 101._o this_o we_o deny_v and_o will_v maintain_v the_o contradictory_n to_o wit_n the_o faith_n of_o the_o church_n be_v not_o right_a and_o true_a false_a and_o erroneous_a together_o viz._n in_o different_a article_n but_o if_o some_o article_n of_o faith_n be_v false_a and_o erroneous_a than_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o church_n it_o false_a and_o erroneous_a i_o will_v not_o now_o 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