gratiae majorisque authoritatis quam Ecclesia quae nunc est Driedo de Eccles dogm l. 4. c. 4. Because the Primitive Church by reason of the college of the Apostles had more grace and more authoritie then the Church which now is but be it spoken of the Church that now is as long as the Church heareth Christ and delivereth nothing but his embassage hearing her we heare Christ but if once she speake of her owne head and goe beyond beside or contrary to her commission if wee heare her wee heare not Christ Did the Iewes heare Christ when they heard Iudas with his Quid dabitis If our teachers become Arians Nestorians or Pelagians must wee heare them No If it be Paul himselfe more If it bee an Å¿ Gal. 1. 8. Angell from heaven shall teach other doctrine then is contayned in the Scriptures let him be accursed Hee is rather to bee accursed and accounted as an Reply pag. 117 * Matt. 18. 17. Insidell who wilfully refuseth to hearken to the Church In that Text our Saviour speaketh not of matters of faith but of fact as of the meanes of ending strife betweene party and party And as it is in inferiour Courts they may heare and judge some things as Batteryes Blood-sheddes and the like but may not judge of Felony Treason and the like So it is with the Church shee may heare and determine in matters of fact as to compose strife and he that will not in such a case hearken unto her let him be no better then an Infidell but if she take too much upon her as that God must say whatsoever she saith that all her wordes are Gospell * pag. 124. as sure as S. Iohns Gospell and if she dare adde unwritten Traditions to Gods written Law the point of greatest consequence and the cheifest Article of the Romane faith she extendeth her authority beyond her power and in such a case none but wittalls will listen unto her But the Church is * 1. Tim. 3. 5. it is vers 15. the foundation Reply pag. 117. pillar of truth To speake properly t 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Chrys in 1â— Tim. hom 11. Truth is the foundation and pillar of the Church as S. Chrysostome saith And the Replyer oft a lyer now telleth truth This title doth properly belong unto God himselfe Then it is improperly given unto the Church but the question is in what respect whether in regard of her nature or of her dutie In regard of her nature saith the Iesuite Because shee is indued from above with the Spirit of truth which never faileth to teach her all truth I may safely grant this yet deny unwritten verities because they are not truth but very lyes never received from the spirit of truth nor taught by the Church unto her followers This title is given unto the Church rather in regard of her dutie for as the Magistrate is said to be u Rom. 13. 3. A terror not to the good but to the evill Not because he is alwayes so but because he ought to be so so this title is given to the Church not in regard of her infallible nature which never faileth but in regard of her office and dutie which is to upholde the truth and to preserve the truth in which she may sometimes faile The Apostle calleth the Church of Ephesus where hee left x 1. Tim. 1. 36 Timothy and where Timothy was resident when S. Paul wrote unto him the ground and pillar of truth yet that which S. Paul y Act. 20. 19 feared is come unto it it is not now the pillar of truth but is fallen froÌ„ the truth So is the Church of Rome fallen from the truth into many errors of which this doctrine of unwritten Traditions is not the least 2. Thus much I have well considered and the more I consider I see the more dunsery and the lesse divinitie In his ensuing observations he laboureth to tread downe the authority of Scripture even as in his precedent observations hee laboured to make the authority of the Church to mount up unto heaven The first is this Christ never Reply p. 117. wrete any his doctrine himselfe As he spake by the mouth of all his Prophets and Apostles so he wrote by their hands S. Pauls Epistle written by z Rom. 16. 22. Tertius unto the Romans is accounted part of Pauls writings aswell as the Epistle to Philemon which was written with a Vers 19. his owne hands so the Scripture may bee said to be written by Christ being written by the Apostles and Prophets who were his hands S. Augustine will teach him to speake b Nequaquam dicendum est quod Christus non scripserit quandoquidem memora ejus id operata sunt quod dictante capite cognoverunt quicquid enim ille de dictis sactis suis nos le gere voluit hoc scribendum illis tanquam suis manibus imperavit Aug. de consens Evang l. 1. c. ult Say not by any meanes that Christ hath not written because his hands wrote that which the head did dictate unto them and whatsoâ—ver he would have us to reade touching his words or workes that he commanded them to write as it were with his owne hands c Haee ille doctè eleganter c. Tanto magis dicen dum est Christum scripsesse per Iuangelicrum Scriptores ut per manus suas quanto illi ne verbum unum aut iotâ— unum de suo spiritu Evangelio addiderunt Saâ—mer Proleg 26. Tom. 1. These things saith Salmeron S. Augustine spake learnedly and eloquently And he addeth this reason By so much the rather we must say that Christ himselfe wrote by the writers of the Gospell as by his owne hands in as much as they added not one word it selfe nor the least letter of â—heir owne to the Gospell Gregorie de Valentia saith d Planâ— instar calami cum usurpatur à Scriptore quo illud Davidis spectat lingua mea calamus scribae velociter scribentis nec enim alium hoc loco scribam significat praeter ipsum Deum Greg. de Val. Annal. fid l. 8. c. 5. They wrote even as the pen which the writer useth unto which David alludeth Psal 45. 2. my tongue is the penne of a ready writer he meaneth here no other writer but God Neither is it any thing materiall whether we say Christ wrote it himselfe or the Apostles wrote it as long as we are sure they had Christs commandement for the writing of it But this the Iesuite denyeth Wee doe not reade that ever he gave commandement to his Disciples to commit any part thereof unto writing S. Iohn was eleven times e Revel c. 1. 11. 19. c. 2. 1. 8. 1â— c. 3. 1. 7. 14. c 14. 13 c. 19. 9. c. 21. 5. coÌ„manded to write Is the Revelation of Iesus Christ no part of his doctrine f Aug. de
be supplied by unwritten traditioÌ„s do not those crosse the perfectioÌ„ of scripture Pull your considering-cap closer to your cockscombe and thinke better upon it This discovereth his shrinking at the first encounter that by his own confession he is good man no body but a shadow but a very phantasticall Adversary For such Traditions are defended by him as crosse both the veritie and perfection of the sacred Scriptures 1. The verity The denyall of the cup to the Laity crosseth this institution k Math. 26. 27. Drinke ye all of this The Councell of Constance took away this l Concil Constan Sess 13. non obstante mandato although Christ the Apostles and the Primitive Church used it Of this nature is the Popes deposing of Kings and his Dispensations contrary to Gods Law 2. The perfection of Scripture is crossed by adding of many bookes which were never inspired by God unto the Canon of Scripture and of many articles of faith unto the faith at once delivered by the Apostles Of this nature is Pius Quartus his new Creed and many points of Religion with you which are prater legem and so crosse the perfection of Scripture although they are not contra legem and so crosse the verity of it These Law-makers are worse then Law-breakers for men actually breake Gods Lawes because of their weakenesse and the hardnesse of Gods Lawes to doe them but these men make new lawes as if Gods Lawes were but foolish and they wiser then God to know what is meet But they crosse not the perfection or truth of Scripture because Reply pag. 116. they helpe us to finde out the true sense in the obscure and controverted letter â— This is neither true nor to the purpose It is nothing to the purpose because the Question is not whether unwritten Traditions be a good help to expound Scripture but whether they are to be accounted as Scripture and as part of Gods Law It is not true 1. Because the Scripture is not an obscure and controverted letter in doctrinall things m 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Chrysost hom 3. in 2. Thess All those things which are necessary are manifest in them saith S. Chrysostome n In eis quae apertè in Scriptura posita sunt inveniuntur illa omnia quâ— ad fidem c. August de doctrina Christi l. 2. c. 9â— And in those things which are laid downe plainly in Scripture all those things saith S. Augustine are found which appertaine to faith and direction of life 2. Although the Scripture were obscure yet Popish Traditions cannot helpe to finde out the true sense unlesse we should say o Exod. 20. l. Thou shalt not worship an image The sense is Thou shalt worship images p Math. â—â— â—â— Drinke yee all of this That is All shall not drinke of it q Heb. 13. 4. Mariâ—ge is honourable among all It is not honourable among all These are your cursed glosses which corrupt the text and crosse the sense and meaning intended by the Holy Ghost 3. Although the Scripture were obscure and your Traditions did helpe to finde out the sense yet they doe crosse the perfection of Scripture because they are accounted not onely helpes for the interpretations of Gods written Law but even additions to the written Law Interpretation is for things obscure addition is for things imperfect What then will you call your Traditions additions to the Scripture or helpes for the interpretation of it If they be additions then they crosse the perfection of it for that which is perfect needeth no addition If they be helpes for the interpretation only then you shrinke from the Question from the matter delivered as the word of God to the manner of deliverie or of expounding the same Howsoever the Iesuites argument is most false That which helpeth to expound Scripture cannot crosse the perfection of the same Why goodman noddie Doe not all the Arts Tongues Fathers Commentaries helpe to expound Scripture And yet whosoever shall say that all these are the word of God he denyeth the perfection of the Bible We use commentaries upon Aristotles text but he that bringeth the commentarie into the text thereby to supply the defects of it denyeth the perfection of the text Doe not you deale so with the Scripture making unwritten Traditions a part of Gods word that so you may supply the defects of the written word making every idle interpretation as * pag. 124. Reply authenticall as S. Iohns Gospell Doe you not hereby crosse the perfection of the written word So S. Basil telleth us that * Basil de Spirit sanct c pro If unwritten Traditions be neglected the Gospell will incurre no small detriment So we tell you that if Arts Tongues Fathers Councels Commentaries and the like helpes be neglected the Gospell will incurre no small detriment We yeeld to the pen man of that Booke although it was not Basil but a counterfeit that if all unwritten Traditions be neglected if the testimony lyturgie and doxologies of which the author specially speaketh if the customes constitutions orders and ceremonies of the Church handmaides of the Gospell excellent in their use be slighted of all and every man left to himselfe to doe as he list in the manner of Gods service doubtlesse the Gospell will incurre no small detriment and if nothing be received into the Church but what is totidem verbis written in the Scriptures I wonder what kinde of Church we should have Popish Traditions are of another nature they crosse the truth and the perfection of Scripture if we admit such the Gospell will incurre no small detriment And though the Authour of that Booke would have Tradition respected yet hee would not have them accounted Gospell for in the words alledged he distinguisheth them from the Gospell You make no difference betweene unwritten Traditions and the Gospell you give them the same * Sect. 3. nature and quality the same * credite and authority with the Gospell If wee reject such Traditions the Gospell will incurre no detriment And S. Augustine saith * Sect. 4. Then doe wee hold the truth of Scripture when wee doe that that pleaseth the Vniversall Church Where S. Augustine saith so we may goe seeke Reply pag. 116 for the Iesuite citeth not the place but I thinke the place is this Augustin contra Crescon l. 1. c. 33. In this thing wee doe holde the truth of the Scripture when wee doe that which now pleaseth the Vniversall Church The thing is the point of rebaptization in which the Church held the truth of Scripture and determined this point by the authority of Scripture and not of unwritten Traditions so that S. Augustine might truely affirme this He speaketh not of unwritten Traditions they are a thing not pleasing to the universall Church therefore no man can hold the truth of Scripture nor please the universall Church if he hold with unwritten Traditions 9. And now
good man Wiseakers wherein doth the most reverend Primate shrinke Wherein hath hee stated the Question amisse Doth not he directly oppose Popish Traditions which crosse either the verity or the perfection of Scripture Confesse this or else deny this article of unwritten Traditions All your exceptions proove frivolous and ridiculous You are like an unskilfull Pilot that maketh ship-wrack before he can get out of the haven You deale with your Adversary as Pericles did in his disputations with Thucidides r Plutarch in vitâ Pericl boasting that he gave the foyle when he received the foyle And as in this Section we finde that which Iosephus found in Å¿ Ioseph l. 1. cont Apion Apions writings an heape of untruths So I doubt not but that we shall finde the like dealing in your next Section wherein we are to examine SECT II. VVhether Christ and his Apostles delivered unto the Church many things which are not written 1. a Aristotâ—l de reprehens sophist ARistotle compareth sophisticall disputers unto weake persons who stuffe up themselves to seeme greater The Iesuite is such a one he stuffeth up his three ensuing Sections with a deale of bombaste that so his Replye may seeme greater They beare the title of a Reply to the Answer and yet the Answerer doth not once speake in them I might therefore passe them over as impertinently written but I wil be content to run the wildgoose chase and to pursue this gagler by his hissing who thus beginnes to keake Christ commaunded that the * Math. 23. 3. Scribes and Pharisees Reply pag. 117. should be obeyed in their doctrine for the authority of Moyses chayre much more will he have his Church to be obeyed in her holy Lawes In the same Chapter Christ saith b Vers 19. The altar sanctifyeth the gift Yet it doth not sanctify every gift as doggs flesh or swines flesh but onely such gifts as are fit for the Altar Children must obey their c Col. 3. 20. Parents in all things Yet not in unlawfull things so must the Chayre the Church be obeyed in all holy Lawes Wee must obey them that sit in Moses chayre but who sit therein d Qui ea quae in lege habentur docent Theophâ—l in Mat. 23. They that teach those things which the Law teacheth them saith Theophilact e Perinde est ac si dicat omnia quae lex Moses vobis dixeâ—int Scribis Pharisaeis recitanâ—bâ—s Maldoâ—â—â— in Mat. 23. It is all one saith Maldonate as if he should say obey all things which Moses and the Law doe teach being recited by the Scribes and Pharisees And S. Augustine saith f Sua verò si vellent docere nolite audire Aug. tract 46. in Ioh. If they will teach things of their owne heare them not Prove then your Traditions to bee taught in the Law and that they are not of your owne but from God and wee will obey them You stretch this obedience as shooemakers doe their leather untill it cracke The caveat which Christ gave unto his Disciples g Matth. 16. 12 Take heed of the leaven of the doctrine of the Pharisees is entred in sacred writ for our instruction You erre in Traditions as much as ever did the Pharisees Moses Chayre is fallen the Popes is a falling as you paint h Lernaus in introduct in arâ—â—â— Iesuit The Pope in his Chayre ready to fall and the Iesuites bearing it up with their shoulders You have lost not onely the power of binding and unbinding but likewise your discretion with it for no man of discretion would say as you doe That the Church can binde and unbinde at her discretion To prove this he alledgeth the text * Luk. 21. 15. Christ bestowed upon his Church os sapientiam a mouth to utter and wisedome to declare all his will and counsell in so much that whatsoever shee saith must not be doubted This seemeth to bee a gift peculiar to the Apostles to whom Christ gave wisedome without study or labour not onely to stoppe the mouthes of their Adversaries but also to penne Lawes for his Church rather then an inheritance conveyed by succession unto the Church her wisedome is not to make new Lawes but to keepe the Lawes which GOD hath made not to bee wise above that i 1. Cor. 4. 6. which is written But to be k 2. Tim. 3. 15. made wise by the Scripture Suppose it were a promise made to the Church for ever yet it is no such warrant for her infallible truth but that her doctrine may bee inquired into and examined by the Scriptures l 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c Chrysost hom 13. in 2. Cor. It is an absurd thing saith S. Chrysostome not to beleeve others in receiving of money but to reckon it after them and yet in greater things to receive other mens doctrines and not to trye them Are your wordes more authenticall then S. Paules m Si ipse taliâ— ac tantus Apostolus authoritatem dictorum suorum sufficere non posse credit nisi doceat in Lege Prophetis scriptâ— esse quae dicit quanto magiâ— nos minimi hoc observaâ—e debemus Origenâ— in Rom. c. 3. If he such and so great an Apostle did not thinke his words to have authority enough unlesse hee could teach that those things which he said were written in the Law and the Prophets how much more ought wee who are the least to observe the same course saith Origen And what if the doctrine taught cannot bee prooved by the Scripture must it be obeyed I reade the contrary in Cyrill n 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. Cyrill Hieros Catech. 4â— de Spiâ— Sanct. Beleeve not mee unlesse I can bring a demonstration out of the Scripture In S. Augustine o Nec ipsis Catholicis Episcopiâ— consâ—ntiendum est sicuti forte falluntur ut contra â—anonicaâ— Dei scripturas aliquid sentiant Aug. de unitat Eccles c. 10. Beleeve not the Catholicke Bishoppes themselves who may sometimes bee deceived teaching things contrary to the holy Scriptures of GOD. And in the imperfect worke upon Matthew p Nec ipsis Ecclesiâ—s credendum est nisi ea dicant quae convenientia sunt Scriptura Author imperfect Oper. in Matth hom 49. Beleeve not the Churches themselves unlesse they teach these things which doe agree witb the Scriptures So that a Bishop Bishops or the Churches must not be beleived unlesse they can proove their doctrine by the Scripture But if the Church say it then the Iesuite will sweare it Because it is the Lords decree * Luke 10. 16. Hee that heareth you heareth mee and hee that despiseth you despiseth mee Take heed you be not forsworne for Gerson telleth you that this is spoken of the q Gerson de vitâ spirituali lect 2 Apostles And Driedo addeth his reason r Ecclesia primitiva propter collegium Apostolorum majoris erat
Charactere because of the most solide Reply and most manifest testimonies of the Scripture as one of your owne hath said t â—â—â—videar humanis argumentis id agere etc. ex â—vangelio profero certa documâ—â—â—â—a Aug. l. 1. de Bapt. â—ont Donat. c. â— Least I should seeme to deale in this onely by humane arguments saith S. Augustine I will bring most sure arguments out of the Gospell And in the wordes following he bringeth in this Text. u Luc. 9. 50. Forbid him not for he that is not against us is with us By which hee overthroweth the maine argument of the adverse parties who helde That the things of Christ could not bee had out of the Church And in his answer to this question whether it were better to baptise or not to baptise such he hath these words x Recurrens ad illam stateram dominicam ubi non ex humano sensu sed authoritate divinà return momenta pensantur invenio de â—â—raque te Domini sententiam Aug. l. 2. de bapt cont Donat c. 14. Looking to the divine measure that is the Scripture whereby things are measured by divine authoritie and not by humane opinion I finde the judgment of the Lord concerning both And he concludeth this question with these words y Perspectis Scripturarum testimonijs potest etiam dici quod veritas declaravit hoc sequimur Aug. l. 4. de bapt cont Donat. c 7. Having searched the testimonies of the Scriptures I may say we follow that which the truth declareth Thus it appeareth by the judgment of S. Augustine that the point of doctrine is written although for point of practise we reade nothing in the writings of the Apostles 7. That the holy Ghost is to be adored and that the Father is unbegotten and unborne I beleive those as the Articles of my faith but I will never beleive him that saith * Aug. cont Maximinum l. 3. c. 3. S. Augustine held them to be unwritten articles These words The holy Ghost is to be adored The Father is unbegotten I confesse are not written verbatim yet there are other words written which doe import the same and are equivalent unto them And may we not understand some words which we reade not out of those words which we reade saith S. Augustine a In verbis Scripturarum non est Evangeliuâ— sed in sensu Hicroâ—â—m in Galat. c. 1. The words are not the Gospell but the sense of Scripture is the Gospell saith S. Hierome So I Reply pag. 119 may say the forme of words is not the article of faith but the thing signified by those words else the Church believed not these two articles untill this forme of words was z Quasi non ex ijs quae legimus aliqua etiam quae non legimus intelligamus Aug. ibidem used The holy Ghost is to be adored The Father is unborne As for the article of faith signified by these words The holy Ghost is to be adored S. Augustine prooveth it out of the Scriptures in which it is written in an other forme of words b Glorificate ergo Deum in corpore vestro ubi delucidè ostend it Deum esse spiritum sanctum glorificandum scilicet in corpore nostro Aug. cont Maxim l. 3. c. â—1 Glorifie therefore God in your body this evidently declareth that the holy Ghost is God and that he must be glorified in our bodies saith S. Augustine And againe c Glorifieate Deum portate in corpore vestro Quem Deum nisi Spiritum sanctum cujus corpora nostra dixerit esse templum Aug. epist 66. Glorifie God in your body whom doth he meane but the holy Ghost whose temple he calleth our bodies And concerning the words Coessentiall Vnbegotten and the like hee saith d Etiasi vocabula ista ibi non inveniuntur fieri potest ut illud inveniamus cui haec vocabula rectè adhibita indicentur Aug. epist 174. Although those words are not found in Scripture yet we may finde that which is intended by those words This then was the opinion of S. Augustine that the doctrine signified by those words was written in other words although those words themselves were not written And as S. Augustine answereth Pascentius the Arian so I may answere the Iesuite e Quid contentiosius est quaÌ„ ubi de re constat certare de nomine Aug. ibidem What is more contentious then to strive about words when the thing meant by them is manifest 8. It is not An other point of faith which S. Augustine handleth in the next testimony but the point of rebaptization * Aug. de unit Eccles c. 19. This neither of us both can finde written expressely and evidently in the Scripture And this is not spoken concerning the doctrine but concerning the practise in this point as appeareth by S. Augustines answer to the Heretickes demaund f Cum in scripturis non inveniamus aliquos ad Ecclesiam iam transisle ab Hereticâ— sicut ego dico aut sicuâ— tu dicis esse succeptos Aug. ibidem Seeing now we finde not any in the Scriptures to haue for saken the Heretickes and come home to the Church and to have beene received either as I say or as you say This point of fact may well be distinguished from the point of faith the doctrine may be written though Reply the practise is not written Howsoever we graunt it that the practise is not written neither is the doctrine written expressely and evidently That the baptised by Heretickes shall not be rebaptised Yet S. Augustine from most certain principles and by most evident consequences out of the holy Scripture concludeth the doctrine of this point The praâ—tise of the Church herein being according unto the truth of Scripture S. Augustinâ— might very well oppose the practise of the Church against the Heretick tel him * Aug. â—bidem Thou must beleeve the Câ—urch which if thou refuse to doe thou doest not oppose thy selfâ— against me or against man but Reply even against our Saviour himselfe to thy everlasting damnation The baptisme of Children of which S. Augustine writeth in the next testimony is no unwritten doctrine but a point established likewise both by the authority of the Scriptures and of the Church and S. Augustine did well to declare the authority of the Scriptures and of the Church in this point saying * Aug. serm 14. de verb. Apost Such force hath the authority Reply of the Church and the fixed rule of truth that is the Scripture against this bulwarke against this impregnable wall who so advanceth himselfe he shall be broken and burst in peeces As this is most truely affirmed by S. Augustine so it is as impertinently alledged by the Iesuite Reply Is it not recorded in the Acts of the Apostles that * Act. 1. 3 Christ after his passion shewed himselfe alive to his Apostles being seene
as may sometime deceive a man and therefore though the exposition be true yet how can I be as sure that it is true as I am that S. Iohns Gospell is canonicall I like better of that saying of Marsilius c Dict a Christi five Dei non vera sunt causaliter â—o quod â—iâ—dem testificatur Ecclesia Catholica vero testimonio sed testimonium Ecclesiae causaliter verum est dum dicit dicta christi vera propteâ— veâ—tatem dictorum christi Marsil Desensor pacis part 2. cap. 19. The words of Christ or of God are not therefore made true because the Catholicks Church by a true testimony giveth her testimony unto them but the testimony of the Church is therefore true when shee speaketh the true words of Christ because of the truth of Christs words And as S. Augustine said * August cont epist fundament c. 5. That hee beleevea the Gospell Reply pag. 114. by the authority of the Church so are we to beleeve the Traditions which the Church propoundeth unto us as the word of God 2. I wish our Adversary to consider two things which make the meaning of S. Augustine most evident 1. That S. Augustine speaketh of the primitive Church d Augustinus ibidem Ecclesiam sumit proâ— primitivâ— congregatione fidelium qui Christum viderunt audieruÌ„t sui testes sueruÌ„t Gerson de vitâ spirit lect 2 dâ— S. Augustine saith Gerson in that place taketh the Church for the primitive congregation of the faithfull who did see heare and were witnâ—sses of Christ What is this to the now Roman Church Have you the same power and authority which that Church had Your own Driedo telleth you no. e Ecclesia primitiva propter collegium Apostolorum majoris erat gratiae majorisque authoritatis quam Ecclesia quaenunc est Driedo de dogma l. â— c. 4. The primitive church by reason of the colledge of the apostles was of greater grace and of greater authority then the Church which now is If the Iesuite speake of the Traditions delivered by that Church we refuse them not let him prove this or that to be a Tradition delivered by the Apostles and we will beleeve it but if he speake of the now Roman Church his argument is of no force and as S. Augustine beleeved not the Gospell by the authority of that Church so wee will not beleeve the Traditions taught by her 2. That this was the occasion why he alledged the authority of the Church S. Augustine had beene for nine yeares a Manichee and now having to deale with the Manichees to convert them hee propoundeth unto them the authoritie of the Church to move them even as in the time of his heresie it moved him This he speaketh of the time past I had not beleeved the Gospell if the authority of the Church had not moved me But afterward being converted and made a Bishop he maketh a better confession saying f I am credere coeperam nullo modo te fuisse tributurum tam excellen tem illi scripturae per omnes jam terras authoritatem nisi per ipsam tibi credi per ipsam te quaeri voluâ—sses Aug. confess l. â— c. 5. Now I began to beleeve that thou wouldest not have given so excellent authoritie unto the Scripture it selfe â—ver the whole world but that by it thou wouldest be beleeved and by it thou wouldest be sought This is all that can be gathered out of S. Augustine that the Church is a good motive to perswade men to beleeve the word of God and not that it is such a Doctor that can give such lawes as shal be equall with the word of God S. Augustine confesseth that he had an other motive to perswade him to beleeve besides the authoritie of the Church g Se Carthagine motum esse disputatione cujusdam Elpidij cui Manichâ—i imbeâ—illa responsione restiterint August confess l. 5. c 11. Being at Carthage he was moved to beleeve by the disputation of one Elpidius whose arguments the Manichees were not able to answere But every mover is not a Law-giver h 1. Pet. 3. 1. The honest conversation of the wife may move the husband to beleeve must he therefore beleeve whatsoever she shall say I may aswell inferre thus the testimonie of the Iewes moveth us to beleeve the old Testament therefore we must beleeve their Cabbala their Masoreth and all their unwritten Traditions We are willing to i Math. 22. 21. give unto Cesar the things which are Cesars and unto God the things which are Gods and therefore wee give unto the Church the ministery to allure us and to move us to beleeve the word of God and to the Scripture the dignity and authority to be the onely word of God If the Church were bound not onely to preserve the sacred Reply pag 124 writings but also to deliver the forme of wholesome doctrine contained in them why should she not be likewise bound to preserve the sacred Traditions and to deliver the forme of wholesome doctrine in them contained And why should not we receive them upon her credit 3. If unwritten Traditions had beene committed to her trust there is no doubt but that she ought to preserve them and to deliver them as shee received them to keepe nothing backe but to deliver the whole counsell of God and to teach the forme of wholesome doctrine whether written or unwritten but unwritten Traditions are no wholesome doctrine they are part of that poysonous potion that bewitching doctrine which is in the golden cup of that glorious Religion for outward shew of the Scarlet coloured beast of Rome And though it were true that the Church received unwritten Traditions and that she is bound to teach them yet how can I be assured that this or that is a true Tradition as sure as I am of any written article of my faith That Christ dyed I beleive because the Scripture saith it that this is a Tradition you beleive it because a Father the Fathers or the Church saith it Can a man beleive that testimony which may be false as sure as he beleiveth that cui non potest subesse falsum No humane testimony can beget that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or full assurance which a divine Testimony doth k 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. Clemons Alex. Strom. 1. 7. Wee regard not an humane testimonie let us confirme the question by the Word of GOD which is the surest demonstration yea the onely demonstration saith Clemens of Alexandria It is l 2. Pet. 1. 19. more sure then the testimonie of men and of Angels Epiphanius layeth downe these for the limites and bounds Reply pag. 125 of our faith * Epiph hâ—res 55. Apostolicall Traditions and the holy Scriptures and the succession of doctrine by which Gods truth is fortified on every side that no man should be deceived with fabulous novelties 4. None of the Ancient were more deceived with
fabulous Novelties then Epiphanius especially in Genealogies into which it is probable he was misledde thorough his over-much love of historicall Traditions He taketh upon him to tell who was * Heracles and Astaroth Melchizedecks Father and Mother and who were the wives of * Sanue Asura Barthenoâ— Cain Seth and Noah These were some of his fabulous Novelties grounded upon Tradition without any authority of Scripture for which he deserveth to be censured We are willing rather to cover then to discover the nakednesse of this Father and therefore favourably interpret his words that The Traditions of the Apostles that is their preaching and The succession of true doctrine both which are the same with the Scriptures are the limites of the Church and the boundes of our faith This is consonant with the doctrine of other Fathers m â—criptura est murns adamantinus circum vallenâ—â—eclefiam Chrysoft l. 4. de Sacerdot The Scripture sayth Chrysostome is an adamantine wall environing the Church The Church saith Hierome n Ecclesia non egressa est de fiâ—â—bus suis id est de Scripturis sanctis Hieroâ— l â— c. â— in Mich. is not gone out of her bounds that is out of the holy Scriptures Irenaeus telleth us first that * Iren l. 3. c. 2. Heretickes cannot possibly be convinced by onely Scripture 5. I tell you that you belye this Father this is all that hee saith When Heretickes are convinced by the Scriptures Reply they beginne to accuse the Scriptures Heresie hath alwayes an obstinacie joyned with it this obstinacie and not the insufficiencie of Scripture made the Heretickes not submit unto it S. Steven convinced the Iewes by the Scriptures and so did S. Paul the Athenians yet malice made the Iewes to o Act. 7. 34. Gnash with their teeth at the one and obstinacie caused the Athenians to p Act. 17. 18. rayle upon the other The Scripture is sufficient to convince the whole rabblement of Iesuites although they doe as those Heretickes did accuse it of insufficiencie when as they are convicted by it If the Scripture be not sufficient to convince Heretickes because they raile upon it by the same reason they cannot be convinced by Tradition for Irenaeus sheweth that they did * Iren ibidem likewise oppose Tradition And that they would neither yeeld to Tradition nor to Scripture Irenaus had a better opinion of Scripture then the Romanists have he spent three Bookes in his arguments taken from Scripture against the Heretickes and not three Chapters in his arguments taken from Tradition Erasmus therefore well observeth it q Solis Scripturarum praesidiis pugâ—âsse Iâ—enâ—um adversus catervam Hâ—reticorum Erasâ—â— in Epist ad Triden Epist Iren. praeâ—â—â—â— That Irenaent fought against the roote of Heretickes onely with the strength of Scripture Afterwards reckoning up the Bishoppes of Rome from S. Peter to Elentherius who sate in his time thereby to shewe that there was in the Church a continuall and orderly succession of Bishoppes by whome divine and Apostolicall Traditions were truely preserved There was doeth not proove that there is Reply Rome was once t Rom. 1. 8. famous for her faith but now her obstinacie and apostasie whereof shee was Å¿ Rom. 11. 21. forewarned is manifest and apparent I graunt that from the dayes of S. Peter untill the time of Eleutherius or Iranaeus the Church of Rome preserved Traditions But not such Traditions as are now observed in that Church that Church then was as ignorant of these late inventions as this now Church is wide from those Traditions In his second Chapter hee hath these golden Reply words they are in his fourth Chapter Seeing that these demonstrations are so great wee must not seeke for that truth amongst others which we may easily finde out in the Church By others he meaneth the Valentinians the Marcionists and those Heretickes against whom he disputeth amongst these we must not seeke for the truth Where then In the Church Must we not therefore seeke it in the Scriptures This is to extract drosse out of Irenaeus his gold Is the Church without Scripture And if we finde truth in the Church can we not therefore finde it in the Scripture * Iren ibidem Seeing that the Apostles have laid up fully in her as in a Reply rich store-house all whatsoever belongeth to the truth The preaching and writings of the Apostles which are the same for substance of doctrine are the endlesse treasure laide up in the Church as in a rich store-house These are * Iren. ibidem The things of the Church which wee must love this is the Tradition of truth which wee must lay hould of Namely of the truth preached by the Apostles delivered unto the Church in the Scripture and preserved in the Church this kinde of Tradition Irenaeus commenmendeth by this kinde of Tradition hee condemned the Heretickes and this kinde of Tradition is not of unwritten but of written doctrines even of such doctrines as were coÌ„tradicted by those Hereticks who erred in points of written doctrines * Iren ibidem What if there were a controversie in some small point it selfe must wee not make recourse unto those most auncient Churches and receive from them what wee holde to be certaine and undoubted Not onely in small but even in the greatest Controversies wee collect the testimonies of antiquity wee enquire what the Primitive Church hath taught even as we doe in this great Controversie of unwritten Traditions and we finde that the Primitive Church taught as we teach and therefore we holde it as certaine and undoubted that unwritten Traditions are to bee rejected But the last wordes of Irenaeus * This is answered Sect. â— D. â— What if the Apostles had not left us the Scriptures â—â—written should wee not then bee obliged to follow the rule of Tradition delivered by them unto those with whom they left the Churches in charge These sayth the Iesuite put us in minde of tâ—at I dare say which never came into Irenaeus his minde That the Apostles delivered some things onely to certaine persons which they would not have layde open unto all by writing This is to corrupt Irenaus to sophisticate his golden wordes and to turne them into drosse there is nothing in Irenaeus sounding like unto this but I see as the foole thinketh so the bell tincketh If the Apostles had not written then there had beene unwritten doctrines and now seeing the Apostles have written must there needes be still unwritten doctrines Irenaeus never knew other doctrine delivered by the rule of Tradition then is contained in the Scriptures So Paul to Timothy * â— Tim. 2. 1. Thou therefore my sonne bee Reply p. 1â—5 strong in the grace that is in Christ Iesus and the things that thou hast heard of mee by many witnesses the same commit thou to faithfull men who shal be able to teach others also Here
were not more repugnant to the Law of GOD then Popish are yeâ— even to every commandement That title given to the Pope 〈◊〉 Dâ—â—â—â—oster Papa The Lord 〈◊〉 God the Pope is repugnant to the 1. That Images are to be worshipped iâ— repugnant to the 2. That unwritten Traditions doe supply the defâ—ct of the written word is adiâ—â—â—on our to it and repugnant to the 3. That a Saints day is more duely to be observed then the Lords 〈◊〉 iâ— repugnant to the 4. That a man may give his goods unto the Church and let his parents starve â—â— repugnant to they That â—n some â—ases the subject may kill his King is repugnant to the 6. That the Stewes may be permitted and Preists allowed their Concubines is repugnant to the 7. That religious persons may enâ—ise and steale such children from their parents as wil be fit for their turne is repugnant to the 8. The doctrine of Aequivocation is repugnant to the 9. And that lust without consent is no sinne is repugnant to the last Can these be repugnant to the Scriptures and be Traditions deduced by sound inference from the Scriptures This the Iesuite affirmeth of them his reason is The Scripture commaundeth us to obey the Church and Reply pag. 130. the holy Ghost teacheth the Church all truth and Christ is present with his Church unto the worlds â—nd and hee that heareth the Church heareth God and the Scripture commâ—ndeth Traditions and commaundeth us to holde fast what the Apostles have delivered withâ—â—â— writing And the Church in all ages hath taught unwritten Traditions c. This is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 his â—â—ckow song and all these texts of Scripture we have already * Sect. â— answered This is a budget wide enough to holde all the trash of Romish Traditions it is his gladius Delphicus which serveth for all uses If this argument be found there needeth no more Scripture then this Obey the Church This giveth you power quidâ—â—bâ—â— addendâ— to say what you list and it will beare you out But it is a false argument consisting of quatuor termini for the Scripture speaketh of one Church and the Iesuite of an other the Scripture commendeth written Traditions and the Iesuite is all for unwritten Traditions The holy Scriptures not onely are able to make us * â— Tim. 3. wise Answer unto salvation which they should not be able to doe if they did not containe all things necessary to salvation but also by 〈…〉 of God that is the * 1. Tim. 6. 11. Minister of Gods word 〈◊〉 whom i◠〈◊〉 to * Act. 20. 27. declare all the counsell of God may bee perfectly instructed to every good worke which could not be if the Scripture did not containe all the counsell of GOD which was sit for him to learne or if there were any other word of GOD which he were bound to teach that should not bee contuined within the limites of the Books of GOD. Thus saith the Answerer The Iesuite would willingly writ he himselfe out of these words he windeth and turneth himselfe every way like an Eele that is taken he snatcheth and catcheth like a man ready to be drowned yâ—t every thing that commeth in his way His first shift is this There is no such saying in the Apostles writings as this Reply pag. 131. The Scriptures are able to make us wise unto salvation He saith indeed that they are able to make Timothy wise unâ—o salvation â—t lessâ— he will say thâ—â— whatsoever S. Paul affirmeth of Timothy may be applyed unto us all which is most absurd For who will say that the Apostle * 1. Tim. 5. 23. forbidding Timothy to drinke water doth thereby forbid us all in like manner 6. There is not the least word in Scripture spoken of the Church of the Apostles and of Traditions but our Adversaries doe apply it generally unto themselves onely this because it concerneth the power of the Scriptures must be peculiar unto Timothy and not applyed unto all But evill should not the Scriptures be as able to make us at Timothy wise into Salvation either it must be because hee had better meanes to be made wise then wee have or because having the same meanes he was more to 〈◊〉 of this wisedome Not the first if it be true which the Iesuite observeth That Timothy 〈◊〉 onely the old Testament 〈◊〉 wee have both the old and the h 1. Cor. 2. 14. Psal 119 18. new Nor the second because the understanding is alike corrupted in all 〈◊〉 it is not â— capable of this saving wisedome untill GOD ◠〈…〉 it And this 〈◊〉 of his absure instance of Timothyes not drinking 〈◊〉 which declareth his braines to be as weake us Timothyes stomack because all stomackâ— arâ— not â—ike weake but all menâ— understandings untill they are sanctified are alike wicked and uncapable of holy things What therefore S. Paul here affirmeth of Timothy may be applyed unto all and it is applyed unto all by Chrysostome on this text saying Verily the Apostle speaking this of Timothy â—â—th thâ—râ—py admonish all men His second shift is this Though we should graunt this that the Scriptures are Reply pag. 1â—1 able to make us wise unto salvation yet is doth not follow from thence that they containe Expressely all things necessary to Salvation 7. Expressely is an expresse lye an addition of his own for the Answerers inference is this Therefore they containe all things necessary for Salvation Now things are contained in Scripture not onely expressely but like wise by inference His third shift is this It is confessed the cheifest of our Aduersaries that the Reply pag. 131 Apostle in that place meaneth none other but the old Testaâ—ent onely as himselfe declareth plaint enough Thou hast learned the holy Scriptures of a child which are able to make thee wise And the new Testament was not written when Timothy was a childe And will our Answerer graunt that the old Testament alone containeth all things necessary to Salvation then consequently the new Testament iâ—â—â—â—dâ—lesse 8. It is the better for our cause if the Apostle hâ—â—re speaketh onely of the old testament that it is able to make in wise unto Salvation for then both old and new being joyned together must needs containe all thing 〈…〉 Salvation It is confessed that when Timothy was a childe he learned onely the old Testament and then the new was not written but 〈◊〉 when Paul wrote this â— d 1. Thrâ— 4. 6. Epistle unto him he was a 〈◊〉 he was Bishop of Ephesus this Epistle was write him a little before S. Paule death and then all the new Testament was written but onely that which 〈◊〉 added If I should say of an old Iudge that he hath knowne 〈◊〉 of a young Student this doth not exclude his knowledge of such laweâ— as were made in after times so S. Pauls speech of Timothy that he knew the Scriptures of a child doth
therefore though they be glorious things in your eyes they are not holy That of Origen which the Iesuite alledgeth concerning the baptising of Children that it is a Tradition from the Apostles is * Sect. 4. divis 11. formerly answered Hippolytus the Martyr in his third Homily against the Heresie of Noetus There is one God whom we doe not otherwise Answer acknowledge but out of the holy Scriptures For as hee that would professe the wisedome of this world cannot otherwise attaine hereunto unlesse he reade the doctrine of the Philosophers sâ— whosoever of us will exercise piety towards God cannot learne this elsewhere but out of the holy Scriptures c. All this runneth upon the same straine with that which Reply pag. 13â— you even now produced out of Origen and therefore as you repeate the same so wee returne you the same Answer And withall wee desire you with this holy Martyr to understand whatsoever the Scriptures doe teach For they teach you to holde such Traditions as the Apostles gave whether by writing or by word They teach you to hearken unto the Church 4. Hippolytus here taketh the same oath with Origen both give their verdict against unwritteÌ„ Traditions This is the same strain upon which they run His answer unto that of Origen is already confuted if this be the same as indeed it is no wiser then the former but threed-bare and worne out at the elbowes I need not againe confute it It cannot fit with the wordes of this holy Martyr for as it were ridiculous to say The wisdome of this world may be attained unto by reading the doctrin of the Philosophers then to interpret this Not immediatly by reading their writings but mediatly by going to the living Philosophers So it is as absurd to say Our piety towards God may be learned out of the holy Scripture then to interpret this not immediatly out of the Scriptures themselves but mediatly by going to the Church Yea it is more absurd because the writings of the Philosophers are not so wel able to make a man wise for the world as the Scriptures are to make a man wise unto salvatioÌ„ The scriptures teach us to â—â—ld such traditioÌ„s as the Apostles gave but they taught the same doctrines both by Scripture and by word of mouth This maketh nothing for Popish Traditions such the Apostles never gave by writing or by word of mouth They teach us to hearken unto the Church when the doctrine of the Church is consonant with the doctrine of the Scriptures and not to hearken unto the Church when it teaâ—heth otherwise Å¿ Ien â—3 16. Thus saith the Lord of hostes Hearken not unto the words of the Prophets that prophesiâ— unto you and teach you vanity they speak the vision of their owne heart and not out of the mouth of the Lord. Athanasius in his â—ratian against the Gentiles The holy â— Answer Scriptures given by inspiration of God are of themselves sufficient for the discovery of Truth 5. This is an evident testimony directly opposite to the position of our Adversaries which they have learned from condemned Heretickes t Iren. l. 3. c. 2. That truth canâ—ot be found out of the Scriptures by them that are ignorant of Traditions And yet the Iesuite painteth this likewise with false colours answering First the Scriptures discover this truth That wee must Reply p. 139. â—old fast unwritten Traditions We have oft discovered this to be an untruth and for the better discovery of it wee will observe one thing more from the force of the Greek word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which Athanasius useth 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifieth not a mediate sufficiency as if the Scriptures were sufficient for the discovery of truth because they send us to the Church nor such a sufficiencie as needeth any other helpe as if the Scriptures were sufficient for the discovery of truth by having the helpe of unwritten Traditions joyned with them but as Lambine in his notes upon Aristotles Ethickes observeth u Plurâ—bus verâ—â—is haec vox 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 cui nulla respondet Latina est de claranda Est autem 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is qui â—â—s bonis contentur satisque copiosè instructus est quique nullas externas opes desiderat Lamb. in Arislot Ethic. â—â— c. 7. This word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 must be expressed by more words for there is no one Latin word that can fully declare it He is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is conâ—ent with his owne store and is furnished with enough and with abundant and desiteth no other helpâ— It is such a selfâ—-sufficienciâ— as is in the heavenly Kingdome of which Theophylact saith x 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Theophyl in Ioh. 18. It is sufficient and needeth nothing Such then is the fulnesse and the selfe-sufficiencie of the holy Scripture that it hath store in it selfe it is fully furnished yea so abundantly that it needeth not the helpe of unwritten Traditions to discover any truth Athanasius here speaketh not of all Truth but of Two speciall Reply p. 130. points of faith onely to wit That Idols are not Gods and that Christ is the onely true God concerning which two articles he wrote thâ—se two bookes to Maearius And for the discovery of those two points the holy Father saith that the Scriptures are sufficient As in these two bookes to Macariâ—s he wrote of these two points and also of many other points for in the first he wrote of the deity of the Father of the immortality of the soule c. And in the second of Christs manhood his incarnation death resurrection c. So here he speaketh not onely of those two points but of all truth in generall that The Scriptures are sufficient for the discovery of truth And therefore in his Tractate of Christs incarâ—ation he taxeth them of great iâ—â—destiâ— which speakâ— the â—hings which are noâ— written Athanasius in that plaâ—e maketh mention not onely of the Reply p. 13â— holy Scriptures but also of the bookes of holy Fathers and to both doth he attribute this sufficiency forasmuch as a man by reading of those bookes may discover the true sense and meaning of the Scripture This is not the true sense and meaning of this Father In the words following though hee maketh mention of the bookes of the Fathers yet he never inteÌ„ded to impart any part of this sufficiency unto them or to make them equall with Scripture as you doe with Traditions but he declareth that they are good coÌ„menâ—aries or helpes for the understanding of the holy Scriptures His words are these There are also many bookes of the holy Fathers in which if a â—an imploy himselfe he may in some sort aâ—taine unto the interpretution of the Scripture It is one thing to say that by reading of the bookes of the Fathers a man may in some sort attain unto the interpretation of Scripture
an other to teach that the bookes of the Fathers are to be compared with the Scripture If the Iesuit would say no more of unwritten Traditions then Athanasius saith of the books of the Fathers then the coÌ„troversy were ended for you see he brings not the commentary into the Text but distinguisheth between the coÌ„mentary the Text you make no difference between the one the other but make the interpretation Pag. 124. as authenticall as the Text even as S. Iohns Gospel He attributeth unto the scriptures the sufficiency to discover al truth to be learned to the Fathers the interpretatioÌ„ of Scripture as an help that the same truth may be more easily learned you attribute to the Scriptures a sufficiency only to teach some truths not all truths which are to be learned teach that those truths must be taught by unwritten Traditions Vnwritten Traditions are not therfore only interpretations of Scripture but even additions to it In the last place he objecteth out of Athanasius in this manner Athanasius disputing against the Arians did most frequently Reply p. 119. beate them downe with the authority of the Church of unwritten Traditions Yea hee thought it * Athanas Epist ad Epicteâ— sufficient for their confutation to tell them without any more adoe that their Doctrine was not agreeable to that of the Catholickâ— Church nor yet was held by the Fathers of former ages I thinke it sufficient for your confutation to tell you Opâ—rtet mendacem esse memorem You told us even now in your second Answer That the Scripture was sufficient for the discovery of two truthes whereof one was this That Christ is truely God Did not the Arianâ— deny this article of faith And yet now you tell us That the Arians could not be everthrowne but onely by the help of unwritten Traditions Sir where was your memory when you wrote this Yet for your more full confutation I tell you that in the same Epistle hee saith The fâ—â—th confirmed in the Nicen Councell at which he was present according to the Scriptures was sufficient to beat downe the Arian Heresie And in an other place hee declareth his minde saying y Athanas in Exhort ad monach Let us thinke that the well ordered Canon is sufficient to attaine the knowledge of God And not onely by the Scriptures but likewise by the authority and Tradition of the Church that is the succession of the truth of this doctrine doth he confute them Now good Sr Wiseakers tell me in your wisdome If this holy Father had onely used the Tradition of the Church and not the authority of the Scriptures to beat downe the Arian Heresie would it follow that he could not beat it down by the Scriptures Doth the use of one meanes exclude the possibility of the other Because now we are beating down unwritten Traditions by the Fathers have we not or can we not therefore beat them down by the Scripture Seeing the Arians held such a wicked and manifestly perverse a doctrinâ— therefore saith this holy Father it is sufficient to tell them c. so we thinke it sufficient for confutation of unwritten Doctrines to tell you This Doctrinâ— is not agreeable to that of the Catholicke Church nor yet was held by the Fathers of former ages so farre are we from condemning the Doctrine of the Catholicke Church that by it we condemne this new Doctrine of unwritten Traditions Againe * Idem de decret Synod Nic. cont â—useb Let the Arians answer me if they can where doe Reply p. â—4â— they fiade in the Scriptures this solemne word by what reason doe they hold God to be unbegotten Behold we have evident demonstrations that this our Doctrine was delivered by Traditions from hand to hand by the Fathers We confesse with Athanasius that the wordes unbegotten or â—oessentiall are noâ— written but yet the Doctrine signifiâ—d by these words as we have * Sect. 4. Divis 1â— formerly shewed is written in other words Is the doctrine unwritten because the word is unwritten And is the Doctrine not taught in Scripture because it was preserved in the Church and delivered by Tradition from hand to hand â— Athanasius shall answere for us z 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Athanas Epistol de Senten Dionys con Ariaâ— Although I cannot find that word in the Scriptures yet gathering the Doctrine ouâ— of the Scriptures I knowe that hee that is the Sonne and the Word cannot be of an other substance then the Father Lastly * Idem in Epist ad ubique Orthodox The constitutions of the Church saith hee are no novelties lately brought in but they were delivered by our first Fathers Neither did our Faith now beginne but it descended from our Lord by his Disciples unto us When the Arian persecution was so hote against the Catholickes as that Athanasius was thrust out of his Bishoprick and an Arian by Simonie purchased it then this holy Father wrote this Epistle This made him complaine Reply p. 140. that the Constitutions of the Church were overthrowne and a new faith set up by these Intruders What doth this make for unwritten Traditions If it be because the Church hath Constitutions wee graunt it but these are nihil ad rem no points of faith If it be because our Faith descended from the Lord by his Disciples unto us wee graunt this likewise but what is this Even the forme of wholesome Doctrine contained in the Scriptures as it was taught first by the Disciples of our Lord and after preached vivâ voce by the Church Wee plead for the same Faith which was at onâ—e delivered unto the Saints We acknowledge no faith but that which from Christ by his Disciples is descended unto us And wee deny that the Church in after ages had any power to coyne a new Article of faith With you are the Novelties Traditions of a later invention not so old as from the time of Athanasius nor descended from our Lord by his Disciples You have coyned many new Articles of faith What will you say for your Ecclesiasticall Traditions which you make to be of the same faith authority with the written word By the judgement of Athanasius they cannot be points of faith Because our faith descendeth from the Lord by his Disciples unto us S. Ambrose * S. Ambros offi l 1 c. 23 The things which wee finde not in the Answer Scriptures how can we use them And againe * Idem in virgin instit c. 11. I read that hee is the first I read that he is not the second they who say hee is the second let them shew it by reading S. Ambrose instructing Churchmen how they ought to Reply p. 140. carry themselves in their conversation propoundeth the question whether they may use such pleasant mery jests in their speech as the Philosophers doe commend Whereunto he answereth negatively in these words The things which we find
116 pag. 118. Father is unbâ—gâ—ttâ—n that the Sâ—nne is â—onsubst anâ—iall with the Father and that the Holy Ghest is to bee â—â—â—red and wâ—rshipped â—â— pag. 143. God Are not these things generally necessary for all to know Againe * August l. de Pastor c. 11. Whatsoever you he are from the holy Scriptures Answer let that savour well unto you whatsâ—ever is without them reâ—â—se lâ—st you wander in a cloud Your meaning was not sure to hurt as by these sayingâ— Reply p. 14â— of S. Augustine seeing you bring them to so little purpose for S. Augustine was so farre from thinking the Traditions of the Church to be without Scripture that he assuâ—eth â—â— to â—◠〈◊〉 â—â—try truth of Scripture when we doe that which â—â— plâ—â—sing to the Church 17. It is true our meaning is not to â—urt you but to 〈◊〉 your madnesse if it may be healed if not it is to litle purpose for your benefite It is no wonder to see this â—â—ly Iesuite wander in a â—â—ud embracâ—ing a cloud in stead of â—nno following after an Iguiâ— fatâ—uâ— for the light of Gods Word forsaking the beaten pathe of Gods Commaundements to follow the doubtfull track of humane Traditions not refusing those things which are not written It is the duety of the Church to teach no unwritten â—oâ—trinall Traditions but onely to teach such Doctrines as the Scripture teacheth her and as long as the Church performeth her duety so long the Scripture willeth us to heare her But what if any Church though once never so famous fayle in her duety and holde untruthes against the Scripture doe wee then holde the truth of the Scripture when wee doe that which now pleaseth such a Church In this thing saith S. Augustine wee holde the trâ—eth of the Scripture when wee doe that which now pleaseth the universall Church He saith not In all things but in this thing and this thing was no unwritten but a wâ—itten Doctrine to wit the Doctrine of â—â—baptisation established by the Church out of the Scripture He saith which now pleasâ—th hee saith not which Alwayes pleasâ—th the Church S. Augustine speaketh of the Vniversall Church but the Iesuite of the Roman Church for no Church else holdeth unwritten Traditions And in an other place * August epistâ— 4 â— All those things which in times Answer past our Aâ—â—cestors have mentioned to bee done toward mankinde and have delivered unto us all those things also which we see and doe deliver unto our â—osterity so faâ—râ— as they apportainâ— to the seeking and maintaining of true Religion the holy Scriptures have not passed in silence He pauseth not where you breake off his spâ—â—â—h but proceâ—deth Reply p. 147. to declare that be treated onely of Prophecies and Predictions which are all fulfilled according as they are laid downe in the Scriptures And could you wrong S. Augustine so unconscionably as to teach that has therefore alâ—wed â—â— thing to appertaine to the seeking and maintaining of truâ— Religion but what the holy Scripture hath not passed in sâ—lâ—â—e 18. The former part of S. Augustines wordes Thâ—se things which our Aâ—â—cestors in times past have mantianed to be done toward mankinde may be understood of Prophecies and Predictions but the latter part All thâ—se things also which we see and doe declare unto our posterity c. can by no meanes be so understood for S. Augustine was no Prophet neither are wee Prophets to deliver predictions to the posterity to come but as it was his so it is our office to declare the writings of the Prophets and Apostles and to deliver the doctrines contained in them And although we were Prophets to deliver Predictions of our owne yet how can wee say The Scripture hath not passed them in silence We hate those Anabaptistical Revelations and all your Papisticall Traditions we desire to follow the practise of S. Augustine not To deliver unto others those things â—â— points of Religion which the Scripture hath passed in silence 19. And thus we have discovered the silly shifts grosse dunsery of an ignorant Iesuite in answering of the Fathers who for all his tampering with them will not be perswaded to alter their verdict but find him and all such Tradition-mongers guilty of treason for coyning new Articles of faith such as have not the seale of the living God namely the authority of holy Scripture to make them current in the Church And as the petty Iury have given their verdict against them so the grand Iury consisting of 318. Fathers in the first generall Councell of Nice have condemned them for in the name of all the rest Eâ—sehiâ—â— Pamphili delivereth this d Gelaâ— Cyâ—icon Act. Conc. Nic part 2 dâ— c. 19. as it is cited by the most learned Answerer in his reprinted Answere The things that are not written neither thinke upon nor inquire after The Iesuite knowing full well that his answere to the testimonies of the Fathers will not give content to an indifferent Reader for the truth is they are â—nanswerable leaveth againe his answering and observing no order or method but onely heaping up a number of Sayings he betaketh himselfe againe to the objecting of the Fathers against us And first for S. Augustine all the world acknowledgeth Reply pag. 147 that he standeth for our Doctrine out of whom we will heape a number of sayingâ— here together 20. If by the world you meane as you doe by the Church the Roman universall world I doubt not but you may have witnesses enough to sweare it but what neede we witnesses when we may heare himselfe speake You promise an heape and a number of his sayings but I beleeve by the time that we have sisted your heape and cast up your number we shall finde nothing in your heape but â—haffe and in your number onely Cyphers And I hope every judicious Reader will preferre those three direct testimonies objected against you before your Bakers douzen of impertinent testimonies objected against us The 1. is against Maximiâ—â—â— the Arian where hast thou ever read that God the Father is unbegotten To this we have * Seâ—t â— Diâ— â— forâ—erly answered and answere so againe though this forme of words God the Father is unbegâ—tten be not written yet the same Doctrine is written in other words And our Question is not of unwritten words but of unwritten Doctrines The second is against the Dâ—â—atists Many things are not â—ound in the writings of the Apostles but were delivered by them without writing For whatsoever the Church doth hold if iâ— bâ— not â—ound ordained by some Councâ—ll it is beleeved to be a Tradition of the Apostles This is likewise * Sect. 2. Div. â— formerly answered and so we answere againe that many things are not found expressely written in the writings of the Apostles and yet by â—ound insâ—rence they may be deduced from those things that are written such things we call written Traditions
because they are all one with those things that be expressely written As for example Whether Children shal be baptised or no Or whether the baptised by Heretickes shal be rebaptised or no We read no expresse commandement nor evident practise either way yet by sound consequence these points may be determined out of the Scripture And of this in this testimony S. Augustine disputeth against the Dâ—â—atists Reply pag. 14â— The third is against the Non-conformists * Aug Epist â—â— ad Casul In thâ—se things whereof the Scripture hath deliveâ—â—◠〈◊〉 the 〈◊〉 of Gods people and the 〈◊〉 of our Aâ—â—â—estâ—râ— are to be held for a law In this he disputeth of the rites customes or constitutions of the Church and specially of the Saturdayes fast concerning which in the same Epistle â—e giveth this advice Let the â—aith of the universâ—ll Church â—â— one alâ—hough the unity of faith be â—â—â—nded upon with diverse observations by the 〈◊〉 thâ—â— which is true in the faith is â—â— way 〈◊〉 Here he distinguisheth these observations of the Church from â—â—th â—â—ith is one they are diverse they are not of faith but attend upon faith So that they are to bee held for 〈◊〉 yet not for the law of faith which is of divine â—ight universall and bindeth all but as the law of man which is but of humane right particular to some places like the Law of Gâ—â—all kinde and bindeth not all like the by-lâ—wes of a Corporation The fourth testimony which he citeth out of Augustine I finde it in his 118. Epistle and it is * Sect 2. Div. 6. formerly answered * Aug ad Inquisit laâ—â—aâ— l. 1. c. 1 All those things which we hold without writing onely by unwritten Tradition were commended and ordained either by the Apostles themselves or by generall Councells All such things are not Doctrinall but Rituall Traditions not points of faith but orders and constitutions for the Church This appeareth both by the words allâ—adged and by the subsequent words in the same Epistle Wee see in the words alleadged S. Augustine cannot well tell upon whom to father such things but he leaveth it doubtfull it may be they were from the Apostles and it may be they were ordained first of all by generall Coâ—â—â—lls But all points of faith are elder then the eldest Councell The Iesuite himselfe telleth us out of Aâ—hanasius * Pag. 140. It is not nâ—wâ—dayes that our faith received its beginning but it is derived from the Lord himselfe And Athanasius himselfe was one of the first generall Councell That of Gerson iâ— most câ—rtaine c Nec Papa neâ— generale Concilium potest facere aliquid esse de side quod antè non â—uâ—t Gerson part 1 de err cirâ—a pâ—aecept Non Occides Neither the Pâ—pâ— â—or any generall Councell can make that to be a point of faith which was not so before And in the words immediately following S. Augustine declareth what such things were as were delivered without writing As the Passion reâ—â—â—rection and ascensâ—â—â— of our Lord and the descâ—nsion of the holy Ghost are yâ—â—rely solemnely celebrated These Feastâ— put us in minde of greater things but the Feasts themselves aâ—â— to be accounted but as rites and ordinances belonging to the Church The fifâ— is against the Doâ—atists and it is like wise * Sect. 4. Div. â— formerly answered The Apostles have not commanâ—ded any thing in this poinâ— but that customâ— which was opposed unto Cyprian must be held to have taken its originall from their Tradition The point of rebaptization is the point of which he dispâ—teth concerning which we oft declared the judgment of S. Augustinâ— to be this that the Apostles expressely commaunded nothing in this point and yet that this point may be determined by sound inference out of the holy Scripture The sixt is this He would not beleeve the Gospell it selfe but that the authority of the Church moved him The summe of our former * Sect. â— Div. 2 answere unto this is this S. Augustine spake this of the time when he was a Manichee but after his conversion he maketh a better confession He speaketh of the primitive Church not of the now Roman Church That power which he ascribeth unto the Church is to be a mover to perswade us to beleeve not to be a law-giver to coyne Articles of our beleefe The 7th is likewise * Sect. 4. Div. 8 answered Although we have no certaine example hereof out of Scripture yet we hold the truth of the Scripture in this thing when wee doe that which now pleaseth the universall Church The Example which is sought for is an example how those were received when they returned to the Church who were baptised by Heretickes whether they were rebaptised or no We confesse the Scripture giveth no example how they were received but none can inferre because the Scripture containeth not an example in this point therefore it containeth not the Doctrine of this point The 8th is likewise * Sect 2. Div. â— formerly answered This neither thou nor I can fiâ—de plainly and evidently in the Scripture This is against the Dâ—natists in the same point and I returne the same answere This that is an example of this how they were received into the Church that were baptised by the Heretickes neither thou nor I can finde in Scripture Yea we confesse the point of Doctrine is not written plainely evidently and expressely word for word but by sound consequence it is deduced from the Scripture And now let the understanding Reader judge of the reason that moved the Iesuite to object all those testimoniâ—s which were formerly answered surely it was onely to make his promise good to heape up a number without any regard of their nature He mustereth his testimoniâ—s as some Captaines when their companies are not full muster their Souldiours presenting some of them three or foure times over The 9th is this * Aug. l. â— cont Crese â— I receive not that which Cyprian held because Reply p. 14â— it is not received by the Church And I receive not that which is held by the Iesuite because it is not received by S. Augustine Doe I therefore hold unwritten Traditions Cyprian held rebaptization Augustine held the contrary and confuteth him by the authority of the Church but doth the use of one meanes exclude the power of another Because he confuted him by the authoritie of the Church could he not therefore confute him by the authority of Scripture Cyprian would have this question to be tried by the Scripture f Cypâ—ian epist 74. ad Pompâ—ium whence saith he is this Tradition Is is descended from the authoritie of our Lord and the Gospell or doth it come from the Acts or Epistles of the Apostles And a little after Let us goe to the fountaine to the Evangelicall and Apostolicall Tradition This is so evident that Bellarmine confesseth g Bellar de verbo non script l.
4. c. 8. He speaketh of the Scripture And S. Augustin approveth of his admonition h Aug. de bapt cont Donat. l. 5. c. 26. That which Cyprian admonisheth us That we should have recourse to the fountaine to wit to the Apostolicall Tradition that is best and ought to be done So that in S. Augustines judgment this point may be determined by the Scriptures He accounted the testimonie of the Church one good meanes but the testimony of the Scripture the best meanes to judge it by The 10th is this * Aug. in Psal 57. The truth surely harboureth in the belly Reply p. 148. of the Church The truth is while Christ is the head and husband of the Church truth must needs harbour in the belly of that Church but if Antichrist become the head husband of a Church truth cannot harbour in the belly of that Church The man of sinne the Sonne of perdition doth set as God in the Roman Church which was once â— The â— Thes 1. 4. temple of God He equalizeth all his Decrees and his Cathedrall voyce with the voyce of God sounding in the Scriptures She was along while like a woman sicke of a timpany or some swelling disease and at length brought forth a monster k Nec Deus es nec homo quasi nevter es inter utruâ—que Clemen proem in Glos Neither God nor man but a nevter betweene both And this monster is the Father of this monstrous doctrine of unwritten Traditions The 11th followeth * Aug. epist 56 The whole height of authority and light of reason for the reparation of mankinde consisteth Reply only in the saving name of Christ in his one onely Church As we give unto God the things which are Gods so to the Church the power belonging to her that is the supreame power and absolute authority unto Godâ— and under God a subordinate power and ministeriall authoritâ—â— unto the Church And this is all which S. Augustinâ— meaneth He addeth the 12th * Aug cont Fausâ— Manich l. 11. c. 2. Thou seest of how great forcâ— in Reply p. 149. thâ—â— matter the authoritie of the Catholicke Church is which by the orderly succession of Bishops from the most assured soaâ—â— of the Apostles unto these our dayes and by the consent of so many nations and people is confirmed As in all things wee give due respect unto the authoritie of the Catholicke Church so likewise we doe in this point of which S. Augustine speaketh which is of the truth of holy Scripture that it is the word of God We confesse the authority of the Catholicke Church is of great fâ—rce to confirme our faith in beleeving which is the Scripture and what is the true meaning of it yet her authority extendeth not it selfe so farre as to adde unwritten Traditions to the Scripture or to give any other interpretation of the Scriptures then is contained in them Her authority is one meanes but noâ— the onely meanes to confirme this point for in the same place S. Augustine sheweth that there are other meanes likewise as Searching into other copies of the Scripture and comparing the copies with the originall And yet this is nothing to the Roman Church it is not the Catholicke Church in it there is no orderly successioâ— if there be it is not from the most assured seats of the Apostles but from a doubtfull seat of an Apostle in it the consent of nations and people is not to be heard but onely the voyce of the Pope is to be regarded And to make up his Bakers douzen hee concludeth with this * Aug. cont Iul Pelag. l. 2. cap. 1. It is necessary that all Christian people preferre the judgment Reply pag. 149 and testimonies of holy Fathers before your Novelties and choose rather to adheare unto them then unto you I should but slander you with an action of truth if I should say Popery is a Novelty Vnwritten Traditions are novelties We have ever preferred the testimonies and judgements of holy Fathers before such Novelties and if wee will adheare unto them we cannot adheare unto unwritten Traditions You preferre Novelties before the judgements and testimonies of the holy Fathers The Popes Cathedrall voyce is preferred before the judgements and testimonies of all Councels and holy Fathers and this is a Noveltie never heard of untill it was hatcht of late noâ— much aboue an 100. yeares since in the Lateran Councell l Melch Canus Ioc theolog l. â— c. 5. In generall Councels saith a flatterer of the Pope matters are not to be judged by the number of suffrages but by the weight Pondus autem dat summi Pontific is authoritas but the authority of the Pope maketh up the weight So that among the Fathers and in Councells hee hath not onely a negative voyce to stop that which they conclude but even a divine voyce farre transcendent aboue them all As Pharaohs leane kine eat up the fat so hath he eaten up the authoritie of Church and Fathers And as Iacke Cadâ— would have all written law banished that the law might proceede out of his mouth even so dealeth the Pope Thus we have sifted your â—eapâ— and finde it but chaffe and cast up your number and finde it nothing but cyphers The testimonies are weapons whereby Heretickes and Schismaticks such as deny the true doctrine of the Church may be wounded and put to flight but unto us who defend S. Augustines doctrine they are defensive and not offensive And if dropping of testimonies out of S. Augustine might beare away the bell I dare hazard the game upon it to drop three for one but I dare not take that liberty unto my selfe as the Iesuite doth to be both Respondent and Opponent least I should be censured for gresling from the right rule of answering wherefore I tie my selfe to answer those testimonies which follow * Chrysol ser â—5 S. Peter Chrysologus A Christian minde knoweth not Reply p. 149. how to dispute against such things as are strengthned by the Tradition of the Fathers 21. The same Christian minde is in us for we dispute not against such things Chrysologus his sermon was upon that text of S. Iohn * Ioh. â— 1. There was a Feast of the Iewes This gave him occasion to discourse of holy dayes and specially of such fistivall dayes as were strengthned by the tradition of the Fathers and long continuance These we account as ordinances of the Church and give that respect unto them as is due but we dare not give them that authoritie which belongeth to the word of God as to be points of Reply p. 149. faith or necessary doctrines S. Leo affirmeth * Leo serm â— Thâ—t true learning doth acknowledge and piety doth embrace that which Tradition hath long since dâ—creed and custome hath established * Leo de Iejun Pentecost Neither is it to bee doubted but whatsoever is observed by the
Christian people commâ—th by divine Tradition 22. In both these places Leo writeth of Rituall Traditions as of set dayes of fasting concerning which we confesse wiâ—h S. Augustine m â—â—ceptum esse Iejunium qâ—â—bus autem diebus non oporteâ—â—ejunare qâ—bâ—â—o porteâ— praece to Domini vel Apostolorâ—m noâ—nâ—enio de 〈◊〉 Aug. câ—â—st â—â— ad Casul Thâ—â— the duty of fasting is comman ded but on what dayes we must fast and when we must not fast we finde nâ—t this determined by prâ—cept of the Lord nor of his Apâ—stlâ—s What then shall we dâ—â— in this case May wee conteâ—â—e the obâ—ervance of aâ—y fasting day No for if we live in such a place where such dayes are by tradition decreed and by custome established it is our duty to obey authority in such a case Remembring alwayes to distinguish these customes as Leo there calleth them from Gods commandements And if Leo spake any thing hyperbolically concerning such Rituall Traditions we doe excuse him because having taken upon him to defend them he strained his wits to finde out arguments to commend them He maketh no difference betweene Divine Apostolicall Traditions wholly taketh away all Eccleâ—iastical Traditions whereby he overthroweth that knowne division of Traditions into Divine Apostolicall Ecclesiasticall our Adversaries have need to excuse him in this The two subsequent testimonies the one of Chrysâ—stome the other of Epiphantus being * Chrysoâ—â— Sect 3. Divis aâ— Epiphan Sect. 2. Divis â—1 already answered I proceede to that which hee objecteth out of Epiphanius concerning the custome of praying for the dead at the time of administration of the divine mysteries * Epiphan hâ—res 76. It is haeres 7â— The Reply p. 149. Church performeth this necessarily having received it by Tradition from the Fathers and who may dissolve the ordinance of his mother or the Law of his Father God the Father the Sonne and the Holy Ghost hath tâ—ught both in the Scriptures without writing the Church our mother hath inviolable statutes laide up in her which may not be broken 23. The mâ—aning of Epiphanius in this place is most evidently declared by the most learned Primâ—te in his * pag. 23â— Answer Such prayers for the dead as were generally used by the Primitive Church want not the testimony of the Scripture to consirme the lawfulnes of theÌ„ As S. Paul prayed for Oâ—esiphâ—rus while he was alive so may we pray for him being dead n 2. Tim. 1. 18. The Lord grant unto him that he may finde mercy of the Lord in that day But such prayers as are used by our Adversaries for the dead are not warâ—anted by Scriâ—ture nor by the Tradition of the Church Not by Scriptures because this is one of their unwritteÌ„ TraditioÌ„s Not by the Tradition of the Church because the Primitive Church denyed Purgatâ—rie and yet held Prayer for the dead but our Adversaries hold o Aquinas contgent l. 4. c 91. That if Purgatâ—ry be not admitted prayer for the dead is unprofitable I need not light my candle to give light to this truth for the light of this truth shineth as bright as the Sun in the Answer to this Article The doctrine how the dead may be prayed for differeth from the practice in praying for them at such a time namely at the administring of the sacred mysteries Epiphanius writeth of the latter of these for not observing of this ordinance of the Church hee condemneth Aerius in the words alledged The Church doth performe this having received it by Tradition from the Fathers and who may dissolve 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the ordinance of his mother As wee have * Sect. 4. Divis 10. shewed formerly so here we see it againe this practice to pray for the dead at such a time is placed by Epiphanius among the ordinances of the Church and of this nature are all those things which he saith were delivered and taught without writing These are not the Traditions against which we bend our forces Cassiodorus also readeth this lessâ—n * Cassiod Instiâ— divin l. 1 Let us not doubt to Reply pag. 150. mount up into the height of the Scriptures by the approved exposition of the Fathers as it were by a certaine ladder of Iacobs vision 24. Wee have ascended so high upon the ladder of the Fathers approved expositions that we descry the falshood of your Traditions This ladder saith Cassiodorus should bring us to the sight of our Lord. But behold the Pope sitteth on the top of this ladder to over-turne all the expositions of the Fathers but onely such as are approved by him yea all the Fathers the Scripture too hath hee put under his feet So that whatsoever exposition he giveth of Scripture Though it crosse the sense the Fathers gave yet saith p Cusâ—n ad â—o 〈◊〉 epist 7. Cusâ—nus it must be believed because the sense runneth with the practise and the Scriptures follow the Church and not the Church the Scripture Reply p. 150. S. Basil perswadeth thus * Basil hâ—â— coâ—◠〈◊〉 Let the Tradition of our Lord terrifie thee Our Lord himselfe hath given this lessâ—n the Apostles have preached it the Fathers have observed it and the Martyrs have confirmed it 25. That the holy Ghost is God this is the point which S. Basil prooveth And lest thou shouldest separate the holy Ghost from the Father the Son saith he let the Tradition of our Lord terrifie thee c. This should terrifie the Iesuite to sin against the holy Ghost in holding it is not written that the holy Ghost is God Our Lord himselfe had given this lessâ—n Iohn 14. 26. The Apostles have preached it written it 1. Iohn 5. 7. S. Basil observeth it in the words precedent by the forme of Baptisme which is laide downe Math. 28. 19. And all Gods Saints are ready to confirme it with their blood He is an Arch-haereticke deserveth the stake rather then an answer that accouÌ„teth it no written doctrin In the end he concludeth with the sayings of * Basil epist 61 Basil and of * Hormisd epist 67. Hormisda applyed unto us that we condemne the Doctrine of the Fathers despise Apostolicall Traditions sell the inventions of upstarts have none of that Charitie which is commended are so puffed up with â—rrogancie that we imagine that all judgement of Heaveâ— and earth ought to yeeld to our opinion that worldly wisedome detesting the glory of Christ his Crosse domineâ—reth in the first and cheifest place 26. S. Paul describeth the worst of men that ever were or shal be by these properties q â— Tim. 3. 3. They are false accusers intemperate fierce despisers of them that are good Traitors c. These are the proper markes of Iesuites they are alwayes false accusers therefore it is no wonder that this detracting standering carping Moâ—us should accuse us thus falsely Nero set Rome on fire and laid the blame
the Scripture The custome or practise of the Church to pray for them at a set time as when the divine mysteries were in celebrating is no point of doctrin but a custome or ordinance of the Church The reasons given by these three Fathers of this practise were different being compared by themselves or with the reasons given by our Adversaries Chrysostome e Chrys hom 2â— in Act. because the damned soules might receive some ease thereby this was but one Doctors opinion S Augustine denyed case of torments yet held it good for f Aug. Enchir. ad Laur c. 108. release of lighter sinnes which Gods Children might beare with them oâ—t of this world into that hidden receptacle Epiphanius denyed â—ase of torments or release of sinne after death and yet held it good for g Epiph. haer 75 testifying of our faiâ—h concerning the happy state of them that die in the Lord. Our Adversaries deny these reasons and give another for the more speedy deliverance of the Soules in Purgatory from all torments The Primitive Church held no Purgatory and yet held prayer for the dead our Adversaries hold if no Purgatory no prayers for the dead These grounds being laid I answer to all that he objecteth out of those three Fathers 1. That they called it an unwritten Tradition I conâ—esse it that to pray for them at such a set time they accounted it an unwritten Tradition but withall they placed it among the customes or ordinances of the Church 2. That it was an universall Tradition It is true the practise was observed by the whole Church but the reasons of it were different 3. That they accounted it a necessary Tradition Not as if it were a necessary doctrine or a point of Salvation but necessary in regard that the Church had received it as a generall custome and that upon good grounds and therefore every man might not at his owne will and pleasure spurnâ— against it 4. They placed the denyers of this doctrine among Heretickes as we read of Aer us Heretiâ—kes commonly as they are contrary to thâ—â—aiâ—h of the Church so they will be contrary to the ordinances of the Church and thereforâ— wee mâ—st â—ot thinke that every thing which is condemned in Heretickes is hâ—resie nor that all were Heretickes indeed who are placed among Hereticks But suppose it were so that Aerius was an Heretick in deed because he denied the practice of the church in this point I am sure then you are Arch-Hereticks who farre outstrip him in this If he were over shooes because he held the prayers for them that were in blisse to be unprofitable you are over head and eares in the same heresie because you h Azoâ— Instit Moral To. 1. l. 8. c 20. hold prayers for them that are in blisse to be impious and absurd I have contracted my answer to this point in which the Iesuite is somwhat large because I would not fore-stall the market and though I have gleaned in a most plentifull field yet I would not gather all because I must leave it for him that commeth after me S. Hierome telleth us that * Hieron epist 54. ad Maâ—cell Lent is an Apostolicall Tradition Reply â— 166. necessary to be kept And againe * fore going Section that the unwritten customes of the Church doe receive the force of a law 4. In what sense S. Hiâ—rome calleth it Apostolicall wee have * Sect 4. Div. 9. formerly shewed We deny it not to be an unwritten Tradition But for the necessity of it that it should be of absolute necessity as a point of faith or as a matter of salvation that we deny We say with S. Hierome it is necessary to be kept conditionally not absolutely as in regard of the ordinance of the Church wheresoever it is commaunded and in regard of loving society wheresoever it is observed If it be absolutely necessary how can you so easily dispence with it He sendeth us to seeke for his other testimony of S. Hierome in his eight Section but you may aswell finde a candell sieve in a country towne as any such thing in his fore-going Section I finde the same words inhis 3d Section but they are the words of the Hereticks and not of Hierome When Eusebius affirmeth The Apostles delivered some Reply p. 166. things without writing as it were a law unwritten No man can be found so grosse witted but may understand he meant necessary articles 5. This is a grosse conceit of a nimble pated Iesuite to thinke whatsoever is as a law must needes be a necessary article of faith The Apostles delivered some things without writing as befitting those times places not intending thereby to make them parts of the divine law those things may be as law as humane lawes which are mutable not as the divine law which is immutable and unchangeable The Church in these daies may alter the orders customes which have been as law in former times and may ordaine such rites and customes as shal be as law for after-times yet such things are not necessary doctrines nor points of faith It is not in the power of the Church to cross the truth of Scripture by making that to be no point of faith which was a point of faith neither can the Church crosse the perfection of Scripture by making that to be a point of faith which was no point of faith i Teâ—tull de veland Virg. c. 1. The rule of faith saith Tertullian is alwayes without change or alteration other things which are of discipline and behaviour admit of change correction The Apostles commanding the believing Gentiles to abstaine from things strangled c prohibite this as a k Act. 15. 28. necessary thing If the Iesuite be so grosse witted as to thinke whatsoever is called necessary is necessary to salvation and is a point of faith let him hereafter take heede how he feedeth upon rabbets capons and the like strangled meat lest hee eate his owne damnation Lorinus may be his Master-Iesuite he teacheth him it was l Lorin in Act. 15. but a positive law though it was called necessary If there be no carnall Israelite in the Church saith S. m Aug. cont â—aust l. 32. c. 13 Augustine what Christian need to observe this to â—ate no birds but onely such whose blood is poâ—red out It is an absurd thing in this Iesuite from a conditionall necesâ—itie in regard of the authority of the Commaunder or of the infirmity of the weake to inferre an absolute necessitie in regard of salvation This hee hath done in those former proofes and yet wee shall have more of it Eusebius meaneth necessary things for hâ—e produceth Reply pag. 166 the necessitie of Priests abstaining from Marriage * Euseb de demonst Evang. l. 1. c. 8. Now they that are employed in the preaching of the Gospell doe necessarily abstaine from marriage And the second Councell * Conc. Carthag 2.
Fathers speaking of the Scriptures as they are Reply p. 168. compared with the writings of men which are but of humane authority say that the Scriptures alone have the prerogative of undoubted truth our Adversaryes give forth that the Fathers hereby doe reduce the certainty of all truth unto the sole Scriptures absolutely 9. As comparisons are odious especially with the Scriptures so this observation is ridiculous we have oft shewed that the Fathers doe give unto the Scriptures not only a coÌ„parative certainty infallibility above the writings of any Doctors whatsoever but likewise do attribute unto them the only assured certainty and the absolute infallibility When S. Peter saith e 2. Pet. 1. 1â— Wee have a more sure word with what doth he coÌ„pare the certainty of the Scriptures only with the writings of the Doctors of the Church No but even with this voyce or unwritten word when it was first spoken This is my welbeloved son Then it was not certaine whether it were the voyce of God or no it might have beene the voyce of an Angell but at that time the writings of the Prophets concerning Christ were more sure because there was more certainty assurance that the Scriptures were the word of God then that this voice was the word of God S. Peters supposed successor holdeth many unwritten Traditions such as God never spake such as the Doctors of the Primitive Church never delivered unto him and all those he would have to be as sure and certaine as Gods written word And suppose the Doctors of the Primitive Church had delivered these Traditions are they therefore as certaine and infallible as the Scripture The Iesuite affirmeth it * Pag 171. if truely figured These Traditions being corroborated by the written attestation of the Saints and holy Doctors this is a warrant of it selfe infallible and undâ—â—bted The Cardinall denyeth it even in this his observation for he granteth us that though the certaintie and infallibilitie of all truth is not to be reduced onely and absolutely unto the Scriptures yet hee holdeth that the Fathers did esteeme the Scriptures to bee more certaine and infallible then the â—ritings of the Doctours of the Church or writings of humane authoritie Here is Manasseh against Ephraim and Ephraim against Manasseh and both against the truth The written attestation of the Doctors is the best authority which the Iesuite can produce for unwritten Traditions thiâ— written attestation is not so certaine infâ—llâ—ble as the Scripture as the Cardinall confesseth then the consequence is sure that unwritten Traditions are not as certaine infallible as the Scripture consequently the certainty infallibility of all doctrine must be reduced only absolutely to the Scripture As for the obedience due unto the commandements of the King given onely by word of mouth whensoever it is proved that God gave necessary commaundements onely by word of mouth which are not written and that the unwritten commandements of the Roman Church are the same wee will give obedience to them 4. When the Fathers disputing with Heretickes doe Reply pag. 168 argue as they say adhominem that is when they urge them out of their owne erroneous principles and provoke them unto the sole authority of the written word our Adversaryes step forth and will have this kinde of arguing to bee universall withall whereas this is the conclusion to bee draweâ— from hence Therefore the Fathers admitted no meane to bee with the Heretickes for tryall of true doctrine but onely the Scriptures For the Heretickes for the most part in the beginning of their disputations would disavâ—w all authoritie of Tradition and of Church save onely that of the Scripture c. Therefore the Fathers to keepe their noses to the grindlestone did onely presse them with Scripture 10. This observation is a very heape of untruths 1. That the Heretickes for the most part in the beginning of their disputations were accustomed to reject Tradition and to flye unto Scripture onely As the Heretickes were many and their opinions different so their practice was diverse the Cardinall cannot prove that tenne of the hundred in the beginning of their disputations did renounce Tradition and onely betooke themselves to Scripture It was rather their practice to alledge Tradition of their owne and never to forsake that fastnesse untill they were beaten out of it They were as earnest pleaders for unwritten Traditions and as great enemies against the Scripture as our Adversaries are or can be And therefore in regard of the first they were stiled f Hieronym l. 2. in Eâ—av c. 3. Deutorotae Tradition-mongers and in regard of the latter they were called g Tertullian de resurrect carâ— Lucifugae Scripturarum owles flying from Scripture 2. That it was an errâ—neous principle in the Heretickes to flye only unto Scripture I reade of the Fathers condemning of Heretickes for flying from Scripture for not understanding the Scriptures for misinterpreting of them but I never read where they were condemned by the Fathers for flying to the Scriptures It is true that the Iewish Cabbalists would reproach those that were given unto the Scriptures with this nickname of Karaim as Roman Traditiâ—n-mâ—ngers call us Scripturiaâ—s but the Fathers never accounted it an error S. Augustine hath cleared this to be no error in coÌ„mending h Aug l 5 cont Donat. c 26. Cyprians appeal unto the Scriptures i Aug. epist 1â—2 this maketh men hereticks saith he nor because they do not contemne but because they do not understand the Scriptures These two untruthes we have * Sect 7. Div. 7 already fully confuted 3. That the Fathers admitted no other meane for tryall of true doctrine with the Heretickes but onely Scripture I will not question the truth of this conclusion because it serveth to our purpose 1. To shew that this is no erroniâ—us principle to flye only â—nto Scripture 2. It overthroweth what the Iesuite affirmed * pag. 153. 156. that the Fathers still produced unwritten Traditions against the Heretickes and that they made Tradition and not Scripture the onely meanes whereby to try true doctrine with Heretickes 3. It manifestly declareth what the Fathers thought of the sufficiencie of Scripture seeing they durst try the points in controversie betweene them and the Heretickes even at their owne weapons and by their owne principle supposing Scripture to be their weapon and their principle As therefore the Fathers dealt with the Heretickes pressing them onely with Scripture so might wee deale with you but we have beene content to bee tryed both by the Scripture and by the Tradition of the Church delivered by the mouth not onely of twelue but also of CCCXVIII Fathers giving their verdict against you 5. When the Fathers doe dispute of a custome or question Reply pag. 169 not yet determined by the Church and consequently Tradition cannot be alleadged for the same then the Fathers provoke their Adversaryes unto Scripture onely And
c. 2. of Carthage declareth the single life of Priests to bee a thing necessarie and an Apostolicall Tradition 6. His assertion and this instance hang together like pibles in an halter necessary doctrines or points of faith are perpetually the same but Priests abstayning from marriage hath not beene perpetually so from the beginning it was not so I could alledge inâ—inite testimonies of antiquitie to proove that the Priests in the Primitive Church were allowed to marry our adversaryes n Alphons de Castro l. 13 advers haeres confesse the same Howsoever some of them alledge Scripture to prove it and others Apostolicall Tradition yet the most of them according to the doctrine of the Councell of o Conc. Trid. â— 24. Trent account it to be onely an ordinance or institution of the Church so * Scotus in 4. Sent. dist 36. Aquin. 2. â—dae q. 88. ar 11. Cusan epist â—â— de usu coÌ„mun Panorm extra de Clericis conjug cap. Cùm olim Peres de Tradit part 3 tia consider de voto contined art 4. Scotus Aquinas Cusaâ—us Bellarmine Panormitane Peresius with many others And in regard of the great inconveniences which come thorough the single life of Priests the two latter as Panormitane a great Canonist and Peresius a great Bishop thinke it necessary that this custome were altered Bernard saith truely p Bernard in Cant. serm 66. Take away honourable marriage out of the Church and the unpolluted bed and doe you not fill the Church with fornicators incestuous persons uncleane effeminate and Sodomiticall persons As for Eâ—sebius he did not thinke that single life was a vertue in a Priest or that it was necessary for his salvation no more then S. Paul did thinke it necessary for every man in saying q 1. Cor. 7. 1. It is good for a man not to touch a woman And againe r Ibid. vers 26. It is good for the present necessity This is S. Pauls meaning it is good in regard of the troubles and cares which accompany marriage not in regard of any commandement from the Lord. Eusebius speaketh to the same purpose first he commendeth that supernaturall state or manner of life which is like unto that of the Angels in Heaven who neither marry nor are given in marriage have no cares of the world no children no possessions this manner of life hee commendeth very much Then concerning Priests he saith not that this state or manner of life is necessary but that for the avoyding of cares and troubles of the world this manner of life is necessary This is all that caâ— be gathered out of that passage of Euscbius And this is no more then the Scripture teacheth us Å¿ Maâ—th 19. 12. 1. Cor. 7. 7. He that can receive it let him receive it And S. Paul would have all men â— to bee unmarried and as himselfe was if they have that gift of God The Councell of Carthage requireth Priests 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to observe chastity temperance or sobrietie What is this for single life These vertues are required of them in the Scripture and may better be observed in marriage then in a single life Behold how the Iesuite corrupteth antiquity â—hat he may have some shew of defence for this corrupt Tradition which is no Apostolicall but a Papisticall or a u 1. Tim. 4. 3. Diabolicall Tradition It crosseth the truth of the Scripture x 1. Cor. 7. 2 To avoyde fornication let every man have his wife And y Heb. 13. 4. marriage is honourable among all men How can it be an Apostolicall Tradition when some of the Apostles were z Math. â— 14. marryed and put not off their wives after they were a 1. Cor. 9. 5. called to the office The Iesuite seemeth to confesse * pag. 158. that a Bishop may bee husband of one wife Marriage is so precious saith b Chrysost hâ—m â— in Tit. Chrysostome that it hindereth no mans promotion to the Episcopall chayre Our Adversaryes teach the contrary and hold it to bee c Coster enchirid art de coe libat A greater sinne for a Priest to marry then to commit fornication And thus ex unguâ— leonem by the print of Herculâ—s foot you may judge of his whole body by this one Tradition you may judge of the rest and so see how like the Traditions of the now Romanâ— Church are unto those things which the Apostles delivered unto the Primitive Church 7. The Iesuite finding no helpe from the Fathers flyeth for succour unto the writings of Cardinall Pervon from whom hee borroweth these sixe observations following 1. When the Fathers speake of the sufficiencie of Scriptures Reply p. 167. in one point our Adversaries extend it unto all points of faith The Fathers disputing against particular errors doe oft use such a medium to confute them as may serve to confute all other errors Tertullian his generall proposition Whatsoever is not written is accursed with a woe extendeth it selfe not onely against Hermogenes his error but likewise against all unwritten Doctrines The same I may say of S. Ambrose his argument against light talke in Church-men The things which we finde not in Scripture are not to be used This not onely condemneth that one thing but likewise all points of faith which are not found in Scripture In these two as in many others although the conclusion bee particular yet the proposition is generall and declareth the sufficiencie of Scripture in all points of faith 2. When the Fathers speake of a mediate sufficiencie of the Reply pag. 167 Scripture being attended upon by Tradition which uttereth that by retayle which the Scripture propoundeth in grosse and serveth as a kâ—y or as an interpreter of the same they apply it to an immediate sufficiencie 8. A mediate and an immediate sufficiencie is a grosse distinction to proceed from a learned Cardinall for a mediate sufficiencie is meerely an insufficiencie Athanasius hath taught us that the Scriptures have a selfe-sufficiencie for the discoverie of truth If any part of this sufficiencie be given unto Traditions where is the selfe-sufficiencie This pedlar-like phrase of uttering by retayle what is propounded in Scripture in grosse befitteth not the mouth of so great a Cardinall ye are like them of whom S. Paul speaketh that make d 2. Cor. 2. 17. merchandise of the word of God uttering by retaile that which is not in the Scriptures The Tradition of the Church which serveth for a key to open the meaning of the Scriptures is to be received this concerneth the manner of teaching not the matter taught but when men will open the wrong doore with this key will utter by retaile rotten warâ—s if any in stead of bread will give a stone in stead of fish will give a serpent in stead of the sincere milke of the word will teach bloody doctrin this is damnable and of this the Church of Rome is guiltie 3. When the