would scarce know it to be the True Joseph's and would not trouble themselves so much to ask the time when this came to pass as lament the sadness of the change And the Apostles did not take so much care to tell the punctual time to the Disciples when Antichrist should discover himself as to make them stand vpon their guard to defend that Faith which he would invade where and whensoever he should come or whosoever he was 2. The difficulty of knowing the precise and punctual times when errors first began In many sorts of changes or Innovations 't is hard to know the nice time of their beginning but some latitude of Judging is allow'd and why not in things especially relating to Religion Are there not wild Opinions left upon Record among the Pagan Writers whose Authors are either unknown or which are falsly Father'd upon others and as hard to be known as the head of Nile Can the nicest Romanist tell us what Rabbi and in what Place and Age first superinduc't the several false glosses and senses to the Law of Moses yet our Saviour though he knew them well thought it sufficient to tell them that in the beginning it was not so and by comparing the Mosaick Religion it plainly appears they were new additions to the good old way And how many errors sprung up in the times of Christianity of whose original and other circumstances both the Romanists and our selves are yet uncertain And how many things of this Nature more near our own times are we puzled about and the difficulty of knowing them ariseth principally from this twofold account 1. From the subtilty of the contrivers of errors Which many times are the cunning and the Wise in their Generation which the necessity of their cause requires Truth being strong and error naturally weak and that Sly Deceiving Spirit lends it his utmost assistance to serve the design Such Men know how to disguise new falshoods in the old habits of Truth to make them look Ancient and Venerable they feel and know the temper of the Age and fit their Opinions to the Interest and Pleasure of it They prepare their errors to be received by degrees and one part must draw on the other and the whole must be insensibly swallow'd down So it hapned in the Adoration and Invocation of Saints and Images and the whole Structure of the Romish Religion which by several steps and in many Ages advanc't to its mighty bulk The cunning knew the consequences of their own positions how far they would reach which the Vulgar eye discern'd not they well foresaw how their Hey and Stubble variety of Phrases and changes of Syllables would at length fire the Foundation of Religion yet being invented at first by the Angelical Doctors and leaders of an Age for fame and reputation sake they and their followers first defended them for bare Truths afterwards for Sacred and Fundamental ones and things at first only Piously believ'd soon after have been adopted into a Creed And Men of rashness and Superstition only great in Place and Office have vented opinions whose fatal conclusions they at first we hope did not know yet the Cunning many times have hatcht what they left and improv'd in fatally to Religion the greatness of the Man whether an Innocent or an Hildebrand gave the error its first reputation and the cunning of others its Strength and Argument Many of the great and knowing heads of the World being corrupted unto the Roman side to defend those errors which had got footing in the Church But how can we unlock the secret methods of Rome or describe the ways and Policies by which the Mystery of Iniquity works Yet we are sure it 's carri'd on by the windings and turnings of the Serpent and Men that he imploys upon design to ruine truth for when the Apostle describes the sad Apostacies and Defections from the Faith they are said to be wrought by Men of Skill and Art who lye in wait to deceive 2. From the Passions and Infirmities of other Men. These give the false and busy deceiver and easy Victory When Opinions are so contriv'd as to serve the designs of Pride and Covetousness Ambition and Lust and other Vices they easily pass for mighty Truths their Original is not enquir'd into the Judgment is brid'd and they bear the Title of Ancient and Primitive or what the Deceiver pleaseth For these Passions have effeminated the mind made it soft and sluggish and any bold error shall slip down rather than be at the charge of a further search and enquiry to know whether these things be so or no. The Roman Religion being so well cut out in its different Doctrines to hit Mens Vices and Passions Gayety or Melancholy Enthusiasm or Fury Power or Design it 's no wonder it did prevail in a sly and silent manner interest having put out their Eyes this Kingdom came not with observation and the approaches of the Enemy in the Night of Ignorance viz. the darkness that could be felt of the ninth tenth and eleventh Century when all good Learning and Manners too were fast asleep the time when many of the new Devices of Rome were hammering out and the noise not heard were not discover'd till they had taken Possession and then by virtue of Power and great Names defended their title And their own Writers confess that many of the great Guardians of Faith the Popes of Rome were very Vicious and Illiterate Persons whose Vice and Ignorance kept them nodding while the little Thieves the Notions and Speculations of Men of Wit and Interest set open the Churches doors for the greater errors to come crowding in Our Saviour confirms the Truth of this when he compares his Church to a Field which had been sown by him and his Apostles with very good seed Wheat or some other Grain but while Men slept when Christians were grown Wicked and Careless Ignorant or Factious comes the Enemy and scatters the Tares and a new Harvest of Weeds Heretical Doctrines Superstitious Practices Foppish and Phantastick rites over-ran and choakt the purer Grain And the Apostle tells his Disciples that Men of dangerous principles abusing the Grace of God speaking Evil of Dignities and despising Dominions and denying Christ that bought them had crept in unaawares being well disguiz'd with Fine Names and Pretences while good Men were careless and sleepy And when most begin to broach new Errors and spread their Inventions for mighty Truths they do it with all the skill and artifice that so bad a design can possibly require Error and Innovation necessarily calling for the utmost Cunning and Slyness to its aid and assistance Religion therefore may easily suffer a considerable change yet good Men know not how neither the time nor Authors of it It being therefore only absolutely necessary for us to know that whensoever and howsoever these errors in the Church first sprung up that they were contrary to the Primitive Faith
A DISCOURSE About the Charge of NOVELTY Upon the Reformed Church of England MADE By the PAPISTS asking of us the Question Where was our Religion before LUTHER LONDON Printed for Robert Horn at the South Entrance of the Royal Exchange and Fincham Gardiner at the White Horse in Ludgate-street 1683. A DISCOURSE About the Charge of NOVELTY Upon the Reformed Church of England made by the Papists c. THe Christian Doctrin was once by the way of trust delivered by Christ and his Apostles unto the Saints Men of Care and Honesty and who should preserve it in its first purity and Spiritual intention only to prescribe methods unto Men by Faith and an Honest Conversation how they might arrive at Heaven that this Religion might make a deeper impression upon their minds and memories and be more faithfully kept it was set down in plain and significant Terms and reduced into short summaries called a Form of sound Words that good thing that Form of Doctrin a depositum or trust and by the Church afterwards a Creed That it might be believed and valued it was in its own Nature of the greatest importance confirmed with variety of the best of arguments miracles prophecies innocent carriage and Death of its numerous Disciples and severe Curses denounc't against any that should add to or take from it till their great Master and its Author Jesus should come from Heaven again Yet notwithstanding all this by the Malice and Subtilty of the Devil the Designs and Passions of Men the Ignorance and Negligence of some the Cunning and Industry of others this plain and simple Religion began by degrees to be Corrupted by the mixtures of Philosophy and niceness by the Rules of State Craft and Policy by idle Traditions and Inventions by the Melancholy of some and the gayety of others and the natural Face of it was so strangely changed that it seem'd another Gospel and you might seek Christianity in the Christian World and yet scarce find it Many Kingdoms and People were to blame in this being Treacherous to their Master and false to their trust suffering so Pure and Chast a Religion to be Corrupted or Stolen away but the Church of Rome seems the most Guilty of them all especially upon her own grounds her Bishop being the Infallible Vicar of Jesus to whom are committed the Oracles of God once indeed renowned for her Faith and Pious Governours but now as famous for their Degeneracy as well in Religion as in their lives Whose Ambition or Interest prostituted the Faith to those Designs and made it Earthly and Sensual or their Negligence and Stupidity suffered the Enemy in the night of Ignorance to sow the tares which so grew up and choakt the Wheat that Faith was turn'd into Fables and Lyes Foppery and Superstition were nicknam'd Devotion Ridiculous Gestures and Habits past for Repentance and Mortification the Bible was shut up and contemned and the Legends open'd and praised Honest and Good Men were butchered and unknown Persons and Malefactors Canonized Saints with their Pictures and Reliques were made Rivals to Christ in Mediation and Intercession Good Works were spoil'd by Merit and Arrogance or done by way of composition for vices the fear of Hell was abated by the invention of Purgatory Christ was fetcht from Glory by the Magick of a Priest and put into a Wafer or into a more sordid place riddles and quirks of their Schools were made Articles of Faith in short old truths were rooted up or new errors grafted on them Power and Profit were Stiled the Church the Court of Rome was brought into the Temple and called the Holy of Holies Such errours as these in the Christian Faith came from Rome and infected our Ancient British Church not at first planted by the Labours of the Romish Bishops of old but Corrupted by their later Emissaries and lasted a long time among us being supported by Power twisted with Interest sutable to the pleasures and vices of Men incorporated into the Government having put out Mens reason to try and discern between Truth and Error and at length became Fashionable Legal Terrible with Fires and Censures which made us Sick unto Death absolute almost and beyond recovery Such was our condition here of Slavery and Ignorance but it pleased him that dwells between the Golden Candlesticks to dispel our Darkness and restore the Ancient light of Primitive Christianity His Wisdom and Goodness improving the passions and inclinations of the some in temporal changes and concerns to Spiritual purposes encouraging the secret groans and desires of others putting many more upon search and enquiry after Truth and infusing courage for it at length came to a resolution of Arguing and Debating the Errors of the Romish Faith and manners of reforming the abuses in Discipline and Devotion and to call back True Christianity again and being dispossest of the Spirit of Rome which oft tore them and rent them till they foamed again are now cloth'd and in their Wits once more upon this account the Friends of Rome call us Hereticks Schismaticks and Innovators Discharge Censures and Excommunications and Eternal Damnation against us are full of Wrath and Indignation and to shew a little Wit in their Anger And pretended reason pertly ask the Question where was our Religion before Luther This is the common and trite Objection against our Religion very frequent not only in the Mouths of their more Ordinary Disciples but also of their more Learned Writers who whatever strength they really Fancy may be in the Argument it self think it a very proper Weapon to attempt the vulgar and the Weak withal to amuse and dazle the less discerning Eye at least when backt and set off with the stately names of Infallibility Succession Antiquity and the like and they tell us roundly our Faith was but yesterday our Religion is new and upstart as only Henry the Eighths and Cromwells contrivance they may truly say as much as their Treason was Cecils Plot. That our Faith began only in the year 1517. in Saxony by one Martin Luther an Apostate Fryar who for the Sake of a faire Nun and other designs renounc't the Ancient Faith and set up his new Device of Protestantism at Spires which did not quietly last much above seven years for in the year 1525. starts up Zuinglius and after two years more the Anabaptists who change and correct Luther's Religion and draw great numbers of his Disciples from him and himself for his reward dyed a strange Death great Noises and Crackings were heard in his Tomb which being opened neither Body nor Bones were found and the smell of Brimstone was ready to stifle the standers by And therefore they say we ought to look from whence we are faln to repent of our Heresy and return to our first Love and not stick so close to our Religion the new invention of so ill a Man That we may therefore keep those firm that are members
later Fathers yet is was not positively affirm'd till about the year 1140. and not made an Article of Faith till the Council of Trent then indeed a good estate became a surer way to Heaven then then a good Life and Conversation The use of Indulgences was the Moral to the Fable of Purgatory and began to grow much what about the same time though it came not to the height and perfection till Pope Leo the Tenths time when Luther so stoutly opposed them then Heaven was set to Sale and the best Chap-Man was the greatest Saint though they boast of the second Council of Nice for the Antiquity of their Image Worship And if it will do them any good so they may of Simon Magus who was of an elder date and a very fit Patron of such an Opinion yet the Council of Frankfurt condemn'd it and the purest times did not so much as allow the making of Images And it was not the Catholick Doctrine in France for almost 900. years after Christ nor in Germany till after the twelfth Century then indeed such a Doctrin might be very proper when true Religion was turn'd into Pageantry and a form of Godliness The number of the seven Sacraments is now an Article of the Romish Faith yet the Council of Florence ended in the year 1439. was the first Council and Peter Lombard the first Man that precisely fixt that number That the Laity ought to receive the Sacrament of the Lords Supper only in one kind was never made an Article of Faith till the Council of Constance concluded in the year 1418. then indeed that Council with the greatest insolence and a direct Invasion of the Authority of Christ took the Cup from the Lay Mens mouths notwithstanding as 't was then acknowledg'd the Institution of Christ to the contrary and they may as well Christen the Laicks Children only in the name of the Holy Ghost leaving out the Father and the Son by the way of concomitancy it being as Lawful to Baptize as to Communicate by the halfs For what cannot such a pretended Power do The prohibiting of Priests to Marry was not in perfection as 't is now till Pope Gregory the Sevenths time Let them tell us where 't is said by Christ or his Apostles or any of the truly Ancient Writers of the Christian Church that Pennance is a Sacrament or that Auricular Confession is necessary to Salvation or that Prayers ought to be made in an unknown Tongue or that good works are strictly meritorious or where can they find they many Impieties and Absurdities of their Mass in those early times of Antiquity And since they are fond of asking us this Question we might ask them many more about the many Fopperies and Innovations in their Faith and Devotion and many they are and large is the invntory almost as many as are the Christian Truths in direct opposition to them or prevarication from them But they seem to confess the newness of their Religion when they arrogantly set up a Power in their Church to frame new Articles of Faith and many things only Opinions and Notions at first have grown up by degrees to Fundamental Truths and having once slipt into error they are bound to maintain it for the Reputation and Authority of of Holy Church And who knows how many of this Nature are upon the Romish forge ready to be put into their Creed and where must we end not till it be believ'd that consecrated Feathers and Holy Water can conveigh Divine Grace to us and drive away Wicked Spirits and the Weathercocks of our Churches be thought Pillars of it Would the Champions of Rome speak out they would tell us as their Eckius did the Duke of Bavaria that the Doctrine of Luther might be overthrown by the Fathers though not by the Scriptures 't is a plain confession that we have the truest Antiquity on our side and in the beginning it was not so But we add that we have the Fathers also on our side for otherwise what mean their Expurgatorian indices of the Fathers and other Ancient Writers but that they very well know that these are old Enemies to Pope Pius's new Creed and the Truth in them confounds their error Such an account as this about the Original and Progress of their new additions to the old Faith was convenient to be given not because the Nature of the thing did necessarily require it for it had been sufficient only to have prov'd that these Romish additions to the Christian Faith are contrary to the Word of God and no where to be found in any of the Divine Writings the only Infallible Rule of Faith and that they have no power of minting new Articles Fundamental to Salvation but because the Disciples of Rome so frequently ask us the Question and lay so much stress upon it if these are Innovations crept into their Church who was the first Author of them when did he begin in whose Reign and in what place did he live who did oppose him what company believ'd on him and what his new Opinions were as they instance in Arianism and other Heresies and because they Fancy we cannot make all these particulars so absolutely plain therefore they say we have falsly charg'd the Romish Church with new errors and that their Faith is truly Ancient and by an uninterrupted Succession of Infallible Bishops hath been conveigh'd down from Christ and his Apostles in its full purity to this present Age. To satisfy their curiosity the defenders of the reformation have done this but suppose they could not have been so particular about the birth of these new errors or had made some mistakes in the compass of time yet however the charge of Innovation against the Romish Church stands firm and good upon these accounts 1. That Reformation carries not so much a respect to the error when it began as to the error it self Not whether it be sooner or later but whether it be an error contrary to the True Christian Faith It may serve some honest purposes to know the who and the when the where and the how and other circumstances of its beginning and proceeding but the necessity of Reformation springs from the Nature of the error which came from the Invention of Men and not the Authority of Christ And matters not much whether Simon Magus who was contemporary with the Apostles was the first Author of it or Pope Hildebrand at so great a distance 'T is enough that we are certain and sure that the Popish Doctrins which we condemn by comparing them with the Scriptures are not Christ and his Apostles have none of their Images or Superscriptions upon them who only had full Authority to make them current and True Articles of Faith They have indeed Christianity among them but like Josephs Coat so dipt in Blood so over-lac't with Fopperies and undecent Ceremonies and so many new pieces stitcht to the old Cloth that the old Fathers if alive
of our Religion and bring those back that have revolted from us into the Romish Communion we have endeavour'd to give a satisfactory Answer to this their Question Where was your Religion before the times of Luther Not to trouble our selves with such Legends as these and Uncharitableness along with them the Answer is thus 1. Telling them plainly where our Religion was before Luthers time 2. By shewing what errors and mistakes are included in the Question 3. To turn the Question upon themselves and ask them some others of the like Nature 1. The plain Answer to the Question is this That our Religion was long before the times of Luther and believed and setled in many Kingdoms and Nations of the World and hath neither Novelty nor Singularity in it 'T is an old Religion I am sure 't is of Age and can speak for it self It hath lasted now these 1600 years and more founded at first by Christ and his Apostles handed down to us through many Sufferings and Persecutions and here it is preserved It contracted indeed in the coming down a great deal of rust by the Falseness and Carelesness of its keepers particularly by the Church of Rome we scowr'd off the rust and kept the mettal that 's the Romish Religion this is the English They added False Doctrins to the Christian Faith we left the one and kept to the other this is Ancient those are New Our Religion is the same with that of the Early Christians Martyrs and Confessors believed in the first 300 years and defended by all Councils truly General Our Religion in those first Ages was in Palestine and Greece in Agypt in Antioch where the Disciples were first called Christians and in Rome it self and wherever the great labours of her first Apostles carry'd her to the different and remote Countries of the World Then and there our Religion liv'd where Peter Linus and Cletus and all the first and Pious Bishops of Rome did It suffered indeed great variety of changes and conditions by the interest and Wickedness of men sometimes more Adulterated and sometimes more Pure it flitted from Country to Country sometimes Greater and sometimes Smaller in its number sometimes in a Dejected and sometimes in a more Flourishing State but somewhere or other it was intire and without mixture as it was at first given unto the World and such an old Religion as this we are of holding fast neither more nor less neither adding to nor diminishing what Christ and his Apostles taught and it Antiquity must evidence the Truth of our Religion we are safe and secure that we have right on our side And this will appear if we consider these following things 1. What Conformity our Religion carries to that of Christ and his Apostles Let any impartial eye compare them both together and he will find the features and complexion the whole body of Religion the same in both Whatever they deliver'd out at first as Fundamental to Salvation whatever they Instituted as parts of Devotion Discipline and Order we still faithfully retain in our Church and if any Truth of moment hitherto by fraud or negligence be concealed from her she is ready to receive it whenever it is made plain not having stopt up the way of Truth by a pretence of Infallibility or want of Modesty to confess an error She hath the same sense of the Nature Offices the Design and whole Undertakings of Christ that the truly Ancient Church had She receives the Creed and Bible and any Traditions that can be made out to be truly Divine in the same meaning and understanding that Christ and his Apostles gave to the first Christians and they to us What their thoughts of Saints and Holy Souls departed were ours are thoughts of respect remembrance and imitation not Divine Worship Christ Instituted proper Figures and Symbols of Bread and Wine to represent and confirm to conveigh and commemorate his Bloody Passion and Benefits to Mankind in this sense She preserves the Institution Sacred and doth not really Sacrifice or Crucify the Lord of Life again Christ Commanded good Works under the Penalty of Eternal Damnation She doth the same and in our Masters Language bids the doers of them call themselves unprofitable Servants beating down Pride and Merit Christ and his Apostles told the World what departing Souls must expect her sense is the same that there are no second ventures and tryals to be made neither can a kind Friend with a good estate left for Masses or Monks compound for a life ill spent Run through the whole Constitution of our Church in Articles of Faith and Rules of manners you may trace them to Christ and his Apostles time and all other parts of Her Government and Order are truly primitive And it must needs be so if She sincerely follows her Rule of Faith the Holy Scriptures so Ancient so Divine and whatever is declared there Essential to Salvation She Brings into Creed and resolves to keep it like a mighty treasure Faithfully unto Death And indeed the Church of Rome confesses that what we do retain is Ancient and Apostolical but pretends that we are defective in many things and want some necessaries which they have to make an intire Faith But we challenge them to prove that those opinions wherein we differ from them were delivered by Christ or any Men Divinely inspired in those times And they seem to acknowledge we do not and therefore to make up the matter pretend a Divine Authority in the Church to cast new Articles and Truths ferè de fide almost fit for a Creed and some others of them confess that some of their Opinions as Image-Worship and others were not maintain'd in the first Ages of Christianity for fear of coming too near the Heathens Worship and out of other Prudential considerations so that whosoever doth compare the Doctrine of our Church with that of Christ and his Apostles must needs conclude that our Religion is Ancient Christianity and that the charge of Novelty is groundless 2. The Nature of Reformation which was not to found a New Church but correct an old one Christianity that Pearl of great price was hid with trash and filth that the Romish Church had heapt upon it our reformers remov'd only what loaded and obscur'd it and restor'd it to its first Beauty and Lustre Such a Reformation indeed is later then their errors and it must needs be so it naturally supposing them before otherwise 't is not Reformation but a Destructive change but Primitive Christianity which is our Religion was long before the Disease of Popery though the cure of this Disease was after or later then the Disease it self but the sound Body of Christianity for which we are concern'd was before them both for 't is not Reformation barely that we are pleased withal no more then with a Pill or Potion but only as necessary to drive away an inveterate Disease and recover an old Religion to its
former Health When Christ reformed the Jewish Religion from the false senses and glosses that the Scribes and Pharisees had put upon it and grafted Christianity upon the old stock will the Romanists call this a New Religion or rather an old one well amended and improved by Divine Authority Bellarmin doth allow this for Truth and saith that Christianity was rather a New State and Condition than a new Church and he that can call our Religion New because t is mended and made now what it was about 1600 years ago may affirm that Christ built a New Temple when he Whipt the buyers and sellers out of the old And that Hezekiah built a New Sanctuary and Instituted a New Passover because he cleans'd the one and restor'd the other to its first Institution our reformation did no more it only scal'd off the Leprosy that stuck to the Body of the Romish Church it only par'd off those Additions that Interest or Superstition Niceness or Foppery and glew'd to it what after remain'd was our Religion the same that Christ and his Apostles taught the World at first And if they can shew that any thing hath been added since pernicious to the Nature of the True and Old Religion our Church is ready to remove it or that any thing is wanting that is necessary to its complement and perfection she is ready to entertain it with the same spirit of meekness and Wisdom and Regard to the Gospel that she used in the Reformation but hitherto upon good grounds and strict inquiry She is fully satisfied that Her Religion is absolute and compleat Christianity 3. We have many and impartial Judges on our side that our Religion is Pure and Old Christianity The particular Church of Rome indeed that supports her self by a pretended Infallibility to be true to her principle refuses to be tryed by any other Church but will be only Judge of her self and others too yet we that are certain and sure of the Truth of our Religion though not Infallible dare Appeal to the Judgment of other Christian Churches The Greek Church condemns their half Communion the Doctrines of Purgatory Merit and Supererogation The Adoration of Images their locking up the Scriptures in an unknown Tongue their extream Unction and sale of Masses and laughs at their Infallibility the thing that makes their errors in Faith incorrigible the Armenian Christians reject the Supremacy of the Pope Transubstantiation Purgatory and Excommunicate those that Worship Images The Jacobites the Indians of St. Thomas the Egyptian and Abassine Christians dissent from most or all of the Romish errors which we condemn We have all the truly Ancient Christian Churches on our side and most of the Modern whom the busy Emissaries of Rome have not terrified or seduc't into their party our Writers have Appeal'd with great success to the Ancient Councils the Holy Fathers and to the Learned and Pious Bishops and Priests of old and from thence discover'd the Novelty of the Romish Faith and the good old way of the English Church And they dare not stand the trial when we desire to be determin'd by the best and Infallible Judge the Holy Scriptures except they must give the meaning of them otherwise they load them with Ignominious Names of a Lesbian rule mere Ink and Paper and a nose of Wax Who will they be try'd by By a Council truly General No except it be called manag'd and confirm'd by the Pope Will they be Judg'd by any that differ from them yet are Men of Good Honest and unprejudic't Judgments No they are out of the Pale of the Church and Stubborn Hereticks And the best reason they have for their assurance that they are in the right is that they are sure they are so and keep themselves safe in their inchanted Castle of Infallibility The Arabian Philosopher was offended at and abhorr'd their barbarous Doctrine of Transubstantiation and Eating of their God and resolv'd to stick to his Philosophical rather than be of such a Christian Religion The Roman Images and the Worship of them have laid a Stumbling Block before the Jews who therefore approved our Sentence and Condemnation of them having therefore such a number of good Testimonies and Judgments on our side we rise up and reverence the grey Hairs of our Religion which Rome once Cloth'd in a Wanton and Phantastick dress and made it ridiculous which because we have pull'd off and put on its Ancient habit and made it look Manly with the Image of God and Christ upon it they call us Innovators Many of their own Writers have spoke in favour of the English Church and many of their distinctions in a fair sense have concluded for her Doctrine and shewn their dislike of many opinions of their own Church 4. That our Religion was long before Luther will appear from the oppositions that were made to the Papal corruptions which did not enjoy so quiet a life but were frequently disturb'd and cry'd out against not only by other Churches but by many honest and considering Men in their own Communion Men they were not of Interest or Discontent Peevishness and given to change of little Learning and less Conscience and note in the World but Men Eminent in their Generation Men of Probity and Studies of Temper and Consideration Men that stood not alone but had great numbers of Disciples a Visible Society of Christians who follow'd their Judgments Some of these sadly bewail'd the degenerate State of the Roman Church others petition'd for and advised not only the correction of the abuses of good Doctrines and Innocent Institutions but the reformation of Gross Errors and Scandalous Additions to the Christian Faith and others in great Authority promised an amendment and to reduce the whole frame of Christianity to its Primitive Sense and Model And the famous Council of Trent was promist and begun to rectify Errors and Abuses crept into the Romish Faith and government yet after a long Sitting it fatally concluded confirming those corruptions which was hop'd after so many complaints and addresses with strong reasons for them should have been thoroughly redrest and reform'd The Original of their Barbarous Inquisition will be a standing record of the frequent and stout oppositions that were made against the Romish Innovation in the Christian Faith And so long as the Blood of the numerous Albigenses and Waldenses crys to Heaven for Vengance against the Papal cruelty we have a cloud of Witnesses for this Truth who resisted unto Death the new Doctrines of Romes The carriage of old Wicliff and his Followers tells us plainly in story that the corruptions of Rome had no such quiet possession but ever and anon some or other in considerable numbers did endeavour to eject them out of their hold though they paid dear for it And so long as the Treachery of their Council of Constance about the safe conduct granted to poor Huss And his Disciples in number above forty thousand remains upon
the late inventions of the Romish Bishop and is known to be the Spouse of Christ by her first Features and Complexion though She hath cast off the new Italian dress For was the Christian Church the House of God Irregular in its building wanting of Beams and Pillars the Essentials of Religion till Romes curious and careful builder cast it into a new model and compleated it 2. This Question supposeth that the Christian Church ought always to be Visible which is not so strictly true For Visible or Invisible make not two Churches but different States Conditions or Respects of one and the same 'T was designed by Christ that all that are Baptiz'd into the Communion of his Faith and Church should make an Outward and Visible Profession of it by their Religious Assemblies and Worship by their Sacraments Discipline and Government whereby being United among themselves and to Christ their Head they should Constitute one Body call'd the Catholick-Church in whose Communion they must Live and Dye But so it came to pass that the number of Christian People so professing and owning the Faith of Jesus was lesser or greater more conspicuous or obscure as Persecutions or Heresies grew and prevail'd among them which like raging Plagues wasted whole Countries destroying some perverting others and making many Fly into remoter Kingdoms and only some Scattered and Solitary Christians living in Caves and Wildernesses remain'd behind or only the Face of a distressed Christian Church as it hapned to the seven Asian and the African Churches which now labour under a Mahometan Pride and Superstition But as it lost in one Country it gain'd in another the Jewish Presecution and others driving several Colonies of Christians into remoter Countries where they spread and enlarged their Religion and many times the distress or triumph of the Church follow'd the changes and revolutions in the Civil State suffering or flourishing with it And often the abuse of Religion Prostituting of it to Hypocrisy and secular ends the Wicked lives of its Disciples or want of courage or resolution in its defence hath tempted Providence to permit pestilent Heresies worse then that in these Northen parts to prevail and Paganism to return again But still the promise of Christ to his Church was firm and the Gates of Hell did not prevail against her And though she was forc't sometimes to Travail from Country to Country and lookt small and obscure in the number of her followers yet still some or other parts and corners of the World and True and Zealous Christians in them made up the little flock and shall never fail while the World endures Popery like the Egyptian darkness had overspread this and other Nations yet here and there was an Israelite that had light in his dwellings and a countercharm against the enchantments of Egypt the Gospel that at length did prevail against corruptions and made its followers Visible and Numerous They ask us where was our Religion before Luther As though it was not because it did not Visibly appear or no where in the World because not here in England or in other parts where Popery did domineer and the Romish Faction was all and whole Christianity in the World the Catholick-Church which implies contradiction and absurdity Christianity here indeed was obscur'd and like the Sun under the cloud but still the Sun was the same and at length conquer'd the mists 't is a fine Question to ask Where was the Sun before Noon day We will suppose her followers to be few yet Christ is True though others are Lyars for he never promist that the Members of the True catholick-Catholick-Church should be always famous for their numbers or that multitudes should always follow Truth nor ever directed Men to follow the multitude in search of Truth which is found otherways not by Votes and Polling for her Did not our Saviour ask the Question when he should come again whether at the Destruction of Jerusalem or at the Judgment day whereof the other was a Type and Prefiguration whether he should find Faith on Earth or no did not the Prophet sadly complain in the Reigns of Jotham Ahaz and Hezekiah Kings of Judah that the good Man is perished out of the Land and there is none Righteous among Men they could not then reckon up of the Tribe of Judah twelve thousand and yet there was True Faith and a Church of God though little and obscure Doth not King David cry out Help Lord for the Godly Man ceaseth for the Faithful fail from among the Children of Men corruption in Faith and manners usually going together And Elijah tells a sad Story of the Children of Israel that they had broken their Covenant and destroy'd the Altars and the Prophets and he only was left alive that they sought his life also God tells him that yet for all that he had seven thousand Knees that had not bowed to Baal still there was a small Church not infected with Idolatry though obscure and unknown to Elijah Have not some of the Romish Writers told us that at Christ Passion the Church was only left in the Virgin Mary all them forsaking Christ but the Holy Mother The Shepherd was Smitten and the Sheep disperst And they further confess that in the times of Antichrist there shall be neither Pope Monk nor Mass if this be all that Monster is not so Terrible as he is Painted and their Annalists complain of such sad things as these in the tenth Century And certainly they have read of the Woman in the Wilderness and the Witnesses Slain and of Hay and Stubble covering the Foundation which describe the deplorable condition of the Christian Church and Fopperies Niceties and Inventions of Men obscuring the Essentials of the Christian Faith Should a revolt happen which God divert from the reformed Church of England to Romanism again might not others ask them the same Question where was your Religion before eighty three or eighty four before such a time Would they not Answer at Rome and in England also only kept under and obscur'd by Hereticks and Tyrannical Princes Ours was also here lockt up in Bibles own'd by some numbers desire'd by more only frighted from a Visible profession of it by the torments that did attend it And Christianity though not so Visible yet was purer when it and its professors dwelt in Rocks and Mountains and Dens places of privacy and obscurity in the Reigns of Nero and Dioclesian then when some Kings were its Nursing Fathers and Queens its Nursing Mothers and took possession of the seven Hills And there was a True Church of God though overlay'd and groaning under Arrianism as before Persecution and in Cyprians time as ours once under the Popish Yoke And the Truth of Christianity like the Truth and Essence of other things depends not upon splendid entertainment or Judgment of others nor the Church upon the Visible number of its Members but it may be a
True Church whether Visible or hid which this Question denys 3. This Question supposeth that the Roman Church cannot err but that it remain'd pure and undefiled as it came from the Hands of Christ through the many Centuries of years till it came to the times of Luther and from thence shall so continue till the Worlds end and therefore we made a false charge against them of corruptions in their Religion to excuse our Innovation But we have reason to conclude She hath foully err'd from the Faith and that more fatally and obstinately because She pretends She cannot err For upon what grounds doth the found her Infallibility Upon the Scriptures They are only so many dead letters till the breath of the Church doth give them life and they are then to do the Church a good turn and give her Infallibility which is such a cirle as makes Mens brains so giddly turning round in it that they scarce know what the Scriptures and what the Church do mean the places of Scripture to prove Infallibility are such which have only reference to the Apostles themselves their Doctrines or Confessions of Faith as Divine and Infallible but not to their pretended Successors Or else they are restrain'd not simply unto all Truth but only unto all Truth that is necessary to Salvation in which the Pope or a Council cannot err while they follow the Spirit of Truth in the Scriptures and not compel the Spirit and Scriptures to follow them For they do not irresistibly force the minds of Christians into Truth Or else relate only to the Catholick-Church and not to the particular Roman or else are applicable to private Assemblies and their Worship of God which no body but Quakers and Enthusiasts think to be Infallible And all the first Ages of Christianity and undoubted tradition never in the least imagin'd such an Infallibility as now the Church of Rome dreams of They are at War among themselves where this Infallibility is lodg'd either in the Pope alone or in a General Council alone or in both together the Pope Sitting in person there or by his Legates or it the Council confirm'd by the Pope till they agree among themselves and prove it better we say 't is no where plac't but in the Scriptures and they do not prove any other person or persons upon Earth to be Infallible in their determinations To say such an Infallible Judge of controversies to guide the Church is absolutely necessary and therefore Divine Providence hath plac't him some where or other and who but the Pope can be the Man Is only to prescribe methods unto God and teach him how to Govern his Church and not be thankful for the good old ways of Salvation and Peace Scriptures an honest Judgment with Divine asistance and humane means he hath chalkt out for us but contrive some new ones of their own Such Infallibility must be of no use to the Church of God for upon the Romish principles it cannot be known for the Pope before he be Infallible must be Bishop of Rome but the Sacrament of Order according to the Council of Trent receives it validity from the intention of the Priest that when he ordain'd him Bishop he did what the Church intended and who can tell upon these grounds what this supposed Priest was who gave this Order or dive into his thoughts and intentions which their Casuists confess may sometimes be very perverse But if there be this Infallibility at Rome why do not the Countries and Religious Orders in them still under their Dominion receive the Blessed fruits of it and still all the brawls and squables among themselves if his Holiness be at leisure and it be worth his while And why should not the Champions of Rome bend all their Power to prove this main point of Infallibility when all other controversies would fall under and submit unto its Power a compendious way to make the Christian World at Peace and Unity with its self But why need we labour to disprove the Popes Infallibility when themselves put their shoulders to it and do the work for us in disputing among themselves whether the Pope being an Heretick may be deposed by which Question they confess that he may fall into Heresy which is error of the highest Nature carrying Wilfulness and Obstinacy with it And accordingly these Infallible Men have been guilty of Heresies as Pope Honorius of Monothelitism and Liberius of Arrianism and the like and many of them liv'd most debauched lives and fatal to Christianity as Heresy and Fallibility and wherein providence is highly concern'd This Doctrine of Infallibility looks like a plain contrivance of the Romish Church having some way or other slipt into these gross errors from small beginnings and finding them not defensible by all the sleights and arts of their cunning heads are forc't to quit their hold and betake themselves to their common Sanctuary of Infallibility that let these things be what they will in Dispute between us and them they are sure they are great Truths by Vertue of Infallibility which is one of the Miracles of Rome which can change the Nature of things which may be true in England and the quite contrary at Rome as Father Cotton and other Jesuites affirm'd at Paris For it 's plain to all impartial Judgments that their Doctrine of Purgatory Transubstantiation and the like are not to be found in Scriptures are utterly unkown to the truly Acient Fathers and the eldest and purest times of Christianity and contrary to the reason of Mankind They may as well tell us that the City of Rome was never sack't and spoyl'd because some Flaterers humour'd her Pride and Arrogance calling her the immortal City and impregnable Rock as that these gross errors never invaded and ruin'd the Christian Faith because of the fine name of Infallibility which they arrogate to themselves And may as well put out our eyes and then bid us see if we can discover any errors in the Romish Church And St. Peter's being at Rome proves no more that he left Infallibility behind him than Consecrated Clouts sent from Rome that the Infant that wears them shall ever after be a firm defender of the Romish Faith 4. This Question will serve any Heresies or Errors that have got some Antiquity on their side against a Reformation If it be true in this case 't is so in all others and then what a shelter have they provided for all Heresies if they chance to live long to be safe and secure in and escape correction And there are many errors contemporary with Christianity it self in its first plantation in the World at least followed it very close at the heels such were the Ancient Gnosticks the Carpocratians or Ebionites the spawn of Magus and others who can plead great Antiquity on their side and as properly ask any Reformer of their Heresies where was his Religion before such a time as the inconstant World