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A62556 A treatise of the nature of Catholick faith and heresie with reflexion upon the nullitie of the English Protestant church and clergy / by N.N. Talbot, Peter, 1620-1680. 1657 (1657) Wing T119; ESTC R38283 71,413 104

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whether_o any_o protestant_n may_v be_v save_v 1_o though_o protestancy_n be_v heresy_n all_o protestant_n be_v not_o heretic_n there_o be_v a_o difference_n say_v saint_n austin_n between_o heretic_n and_o they_o who_o believe_v heretic_n the_o great_a wit_n may_v be_v misinform_v if_o they_o rely_v upon_o other_o man_n information_n 2_o to_o the_o question_n propose_v i_o answer_v that_o such_o protestant_n as_o never_o have_v any_o occasion_n to_o doubt_v whether_o their_o own_o religion_n be_v the_o true_a one_o may_v be_v save_v if_o they_o never_o commit_v a_o mortal_a sin_n because_o they_o be_v baptize_v and_o die_v in_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n which_o they_o receive_v in_o the_o baptism_n now_o whether_o there_o be_v any_o protestant_n who_o never_o commit_v a_o mortal_a sin_n the_o lord_n know_v this_o i_o be_o sure_a of_o that_o there_o be_v very_o few_o in_o any_o part_n of_o the_o world_n who_o have_v not_o great_a reason_n and_o many_o occasion_n to_o doubt_v of_o 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