the Name of Jesus who is given of the Father to be Salvation to the Ends of the Earth I now come to give the Reader a perticular Account of some Assertions and Scripture Quotations relating to Government amongst one part of the People called Quakers published in Print by Robert Barclay together with Answers thereto contained in a Manuscript given forth by my self who was concerned in my Conscience so to do for the sakes of such as being weak are apt to be precipitated into a Zealous Observation of other mens Lines made ready to their hands when not led thereinto by a Measure of Gods Gift and Grace in themselves and so may justly be termed like unto those who render for Doctrine the Traditions of Men. The aforesaid Assertions Quotations and particular Answers thereto some Years past sent to Steven Crisp and another publick Person as well as the Author of the said Book doth follow as proper in relation to this Treatise touching Government and if the Reader shall find any thing therein which hath been herein already treated upon or in the first part of the Christian-Quaker distinguish'd from the Apostate and Innovator I hope he will not be offended thereat since the ensuing Lines were written on a Particular Occasion though of a General Concern relating to the People called Quakers and that also before it was designed that the said first part should be prepared much less committed to the Press However that which may well plead my Excuse for the Readers Expence of Time on such an Occasion is this There is very little Discourse of which hath been mentioned before and that which is is very material to be observed as a proper Looking-Glass in some respect to distinguish the true Christian termed in Derision Quaker from the Apostate and Innovator The Innovations AND Scripture-Misapplications of R. B. Detected BEING Part of some Observations on his small Treatise Intituled The ANARCHY of the RANTERS c. Wherein he saith The Antient Apostolick Order of the Church of Christ is Re-establisht amongst them meaning the People of the Lord called in Derision Quakers This small Treatise being weighed in the equal Ballance this ensuing Discourse is become a two-fold Defence for those of the People of God called Quakers who have retained their First Love and Integrity for the Truth and Right Understanding of the only Fundamental Principle thereof viz. the Light Wherein they are vindicated from the Aspersions of those who may accuse them of despising of Christ's Government and indulging that Liberty which Truth condemns on the one hand and from such who may calumniate them for endeavouring to establish the outward Orders and Prescriptions of Men under the Notion of the Orders of the Church of Christ to become a Bond on others to obey though they see it not their Duty on the other hand Shewing that the Place where Christs Government hath been is and ought to be exalted is in the Heart and that 't is not in the Power and so cannot be the Duty of man to establish that Government which is already on Christs Shoulders Given forth in the Year 1676. By WILLIAM ROGERS 1 Cor. 3.11.21 For other Foundation can no man lay than that which is already laid Let no man Rejoyce in Men. To the READER THE afore-mentioned Treatise of R. B. is the first that to my Remembrance or Knowledge is under the Name of one called a Quaker extant in Print whereby the Adversaries to that Antient Truth whereof they have been Witnesses may have Cause to be Jealous First That that People who have been so great Contenders against that Spirit which would have enforced Outward Forms and Orders of Men relating to Conscience though under the Notion of Assemblies calling themselves the Church of Christ should now be more exercised to encourage their Brethren to follow the Orders Traditions Examples or Commandments of any relating to Matters of Conscience and the Things of God though under the most plausible Pretences whatsoever than that never-erring and infallible Guide which hath been so often exalted amongst them viz. Christ's Light in the Conscience Secondly That though the People called Quakers have pleaded much for the Exercise of their Consciences and for the Liberty thereof which one Eminent amongst them hath described to be a meer Liberty of the Mind in believing or dis-believing c. Yet there is amongst them who hath endeavoured to insinuate a Belief that the Church in matters of Conscience may not only give positive Sentences which may be Obligatory upon Believers but also that the Pretences of any refusing to submit on account they see it not will not excuse them from being really guilty of disobeying God and yet doth not manifest by any outward Description Where or What Assembly is the Church of Christ Now though I cannot vindicate the Author of the said Treatise from giving occasion of these and such like Jealousies yet I know there are many of those People yet in being whose Integrity to God is so great whose Steadfastness in the Unchangable Truth is so sure and whose Understanddings in the pure Principle thereof are so clear that they give not occasion for such Jealousies but have a Testimony in their Hearts against all such that do knowing this that whosoever builds on any other Foundation than that which hath been already laid viz. Christ the Lord to whom all Power is given to Rule and Reign and who alone is Lord over the Conscience and the only Law-giver shall be confounded and brought to nought W. R. The matters occasionally discourst in this ensuing Treatise are in some measure described in what followes First I Affirm that though there hath been and ought to be a Government in the Church of Christ unto which every Member of the said Church ought to be subject yet it doth not appear that the Outward Form thereof and all Matters cognizable thereby are so exactly described in the Scriptures or else where as that the Members thereof by any such outward Description as a sufficient meanes may so exactly be exercised therein as to find acceptance with the Lord of Life That at this day nothing can be truly called the Exact and perfect Order of this Government but the Power of God and so hath it often been testifyed by the People of the Lord called Quakers which power is of Ability to establish Man but Man not of Ability to establish it and that the Power brings forth its own Form in every Member according to the measure of God's Grace inwardly given received and obeyed and yet I am abundantly satisfyed that Set and Appointed Meetings on certain Prefixt Days being with the joynt concurrence of those Members assembling and from time to time to be assembled to take care of the Poor and discharge other charitable Duties to inspect Marriages that none come together disorderly and to take care that Truth may not be Scandlized through the Backslidings of such who have been in
ought to Believe and though there have been so many Diversities of Creeds in the World according to the various Apprehensions of divers Assemblies assuming to themselves the Title of the Church of Christ yet to this day I find not amongst the People of the Lord called Quakers that any certain number of Articles of Faith are given forth from any General Assembly or Particular Congregation under the Notion of the Church of Christ as their Creed and as a Measuring-Line by which those who are either in or departed from the Faith may be known and the reason hereof is evident because 't is against the Fundamental Principle viz. the Light to exalt any other Measuring-Line than that by which we were Baptized into the one Body of Christ viz. the Spirit Having thus promised as a more particular Answer to the Question I thus say I confess the true Church is in the true Faith and every Member thereof is in some measure at least of the same Faith that all the Elect of God are of so that it may in Truth be said every Member of the Church doth in some measure Believe as the rest of the Members do I say in some Measure because as there were diversities of Gifts and Operations so also were there Differences in Measures of Faith and therefore doth the Apostle wisely say to this purpose Let him that Prophesieth Prophesy according to the Proportion of Faith Rom. 12.6 But should any arise to say 't is Folly and Hypocrisy to Professones self a Member of the true Church yet not Believe thus as the true Church Believes without any further Explanation of the words or of what is intended thereby such may subject themselves to censure for by the words True Church in this Sentence and yet not Believe thus as the true Church Believes will be understood the rest of the Members from whom one or more differs in Faith Now there may happen to be a weak Brother whose Faith in some particular Matters may be otherwise than the rest of his Brethren's is this Case happened amongst the Romans to whom Paul thus writ Rom. 14.3 4 22 23. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not and let not him that eateth not Judge him that eateth for God hath received him Who art thou that condemnest another Mans Servant to his own Master he standeth or falleth Hast thou Faith have it to thy self He that doubteth is condemned if he eat because he eateth not of Faith and whatsoever is not of Faith is Sin Here a Diversity of Faith is Evident and that between Brethren and Members of the Church and yet neither appear to be Fools or Hypocrites he that did eat was not to be Judged because he was received of God and he that did not eat was so far from being Judged that the Apostle condemnes the very Eating whilest there was a Doubt though the Abstinence was the Fruit of Weakness These things considered I appeal to Gods Witness in all Consciences whether Truth can be served at this Day by asserting under the name of one called a Quaker such Principles as give occasion of Jealousie that this Doctrine is promoting amongst us We must Believe thus as the Church Believes without removing those Objections which for want of an Explanation may necessarily follow 'T is a true saying That the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against the Church that 's built upon the Rock Christ and that the Elect cannot be deceived but notwithstanding 't is thus said yet we know that particular Members of the Church of Christ have erred Objection Yet some may be ready to object and say * Note This Objection is so lay'd to â—n in the same Book wherein the last answered Query is written Though some particular Members may be liable to err 't is neither reasonable nor just to conclude the whole Body or Church of Christ is liable to err To this I say God forbid that the whole Church of Christ should err yet I say neither the Light within us nor the Scriptures of Truth without us do evidence that any Member one more than another is by any peculiar Election exempted from being liable to err no more than Particular Persons were from all Eternity Elected and others Reprobated and so it appears to me that the Promise was not with respect that some should continue still Faithful and not liable to err though others being liable thereto should err but with respect to every Member of the Church whilest establish'd on the Rock Christ so that not only a part of the Church but every Member thereof whilst built on the Rock Christ shall be so preserved as that the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against any one of them and this seems to me to be evident from the very Connection of the words of the Scripture Mat. 16.18 And upon this Rock I will Build my Church and the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it that is against the Church built and whilest remaining on the Rock Christ But if any Assembly through Unwatchfulness and Disobedience depart from the Rock Christ whereon they were built then in that State they cannot properly be called the Church built and remaining on the Rock Christ and so having been liable to be overcome the Gates of Hell do prevail and therefore though 't is impossible that any one Member of Christ's Church whilest abiding in the Seed in which the Election stands and to which the Promise is can be deceived yet notwithstanding I affirm that every Member of Christ's Body and if every Member than the whole Church is liable to err if they wait not in and keep not unto that in which their Preservation stands Christ said Watch and Pray that ye enter not into Temptation this was spoken not with respect to some particular Members in the Church of Christ that were lyable to err and as if there were others that were not And therefore its reasonable to conclude that all may thorough Temptation be in danger to err if they watch not but yet my Faith is that a remnant will be preserved so watchful as that being built on the Rock Christ the Gates of Hell shall never prevail against them These things being duely weighed and considering what great Abuse hath been made of Scriptures that speak to this purpose That the Gates of Hell shall not prevaile against the Church of Christ and that what they bind or loose on Earth shall be bound or loos'd in Heaven and that also to maintain an Antichristian Yoak of Bondage under the pretence of Christ's Church saying That it cannot err it appears not much more like one call'd a Quaker if we consult the Writings of some of those antient and Honourable Labourers who were Instruments in the hands of the Lord to turn Thousands unto the Light within us as the unerring Guide to treat on such Scriptures if applyed to outward and settled Assemblies as such as are not
lest you be found fighters against that which the Lord by a Constrant of his Power leads into And Builders again of the things that you have destroyed For as the Principle of Truth never led us to respect Persons in Judgement so hath it not led us to refuse to call upon the Highest as well as the Lowest to stoop to a just hearing when Matters of Errour and Evil Fact shall be laid at the Door of such an one That I may as much as in me lies be eased in my Spirit with Relation to you I cannot but in Bowels of true Love warn you that these my few Lines may be read in the Fear and Dread of the Living God that so if it may be with you to Answer or Act any thing in Relation hereunto you may not Add to my Burthens by grieving that which the Lord never grieved Having thus far cleared my Conscience to you as it was with me on my Bed this very Morning I have Peace herein and remain Your Friend William Rogers A Postscript That which hath dropt from one or some of your Lips since my coming to London hath occasioned me to add this Postscript MY End in communicating unto you what is with me on this Occasion is not that either you or any should take upon you to Judge the Cause without assent or hearing both of George Fox and my self and if any hath or shall endeavour to insinuate the contrary from any thing which I have either Spoken or Written the God of Heaven will blast that Spirit from whence it hath or may come as that which seeks Occasion against me undeservedly The like Practice is that Crying Sin which my Conscience hath been concerned to cry against knowing that it hath entered many under the Profession of Truth and for which their Names lye on Record to their Shame but yet I am not without this secret hope that the Day will come wherein many of them may repent of the same I cannot also but inform you that it is the Fruit of Gross Darkness to compare such as are at Unity with John Wilkinson and John Story on a Religious Score and that on the Foot of such Unity to John Parrot and his Followers in the Practice of keeping on their hats in Prayer because John Perrot's Practice therein might properly be termed such Innovation in the Church as tended to Schism contrary to the approved Practice of the Church of God and so was worthily Judged and Condemned but as to John Wilkinson and John Story I remember not that ever any accused them for introducing any Practice into the Church of God contrary to the Scriptures of Truth Light of Christ Jesus or the approved Practice of Friends when at Vnity in the Truth and not only so but I am well satisfyed in my Conscience and that on sufficient ground too large here to insert that the very secret reason wherefore John Story and John Wilkinson have been Judged by many though unheard by such to speak for themselves and that Certificates against them have been either sent or approved to be sent abroad by George Fox with direction to send them both to Enemies and Friends is because they cannot stoop and bow to Innovation not practised by Friends when in Unity in the Truth nor yet justifyable from the Scriptures of Truth or the Light of Christ in their Consciences And if any to whom these Lines may come have or may think me too Zealous I earnestly desire that such may Watch against a Luke-warm Spirit and that which is inclinable to Respect Persons in Judgement and not only so but against that Spirit that hath been ready to proclaim the supposed Infirmities of some on the House-top whilest Endeavours are made to cover the Sins of the High and Lofty one George Fox though the so doing hath tended to the stumbling of many amongst the Flock of God whoever may so do and for the Accomplishment thereof shall pervert the Counsel and Intent of the Apostle when he exhorted to bear all things as if that Scripture might be produced to cover the Notorious Sins of One that may pretend himself Infallible I then say It is the ready way to introduce a Justification of Rantism it self I now am further to acquaint you that if either of you or any Friend unto whom this may come being written for publick View amongst Friends shall within twenty dayes time after the date hereof write unto George Fox and therein signify to this Purpose That since I call for Justice and Satisfaction for Wrongs done and Things acted by him reproachful to the Truth he then ought to submit to a Hearing thereof before Friends in Truth that so if guilty he may Condemn it and if not he may be Justifed I then shall freely forbear printing against him until such time he either sendeth Answer to such a Letter or else sendeth no Answer when it may be desired of him but yet with this proviso that such so to be concerned send the said Letter to me to be sent unto him and if he shall Answer and propose such a Method for a Hearing as may be approved in my Conscience I may then submit thereto William Rogers To this Letter I never received any Answer Here follows William Rogers his Remonstrance to which his aforesaid Letter gave cover to the Friends of London in relation to G. F. to the intent that some Expedient might be found to prevent Printing against him Friends IT is not unknown unto many of you that I have been concerned touching the Differences arisen amongst Friends and whatever Censures some may pass upon me yet I have this Evidence in my Conscience That my Concern hath been for the Cause of God his Truth and People and so through his Mercy am inwardly mad Partaker of his Peace though many under the Profession of Truth have endeavoured to give me Outward Trouble and were it so that with Peace of Conscience I could have forborn to come up unto this City of London on the Occasion I now am here I should much rather have stayed at home about my outward Business than have taken this Journey which I have done and that through a Constraint upon my Spirit to lay before Friends in several Parts of the Nation a part of those things which have been and are my burthen to the end that as much as in me lyes I may endeavour that an Expedient may be found whereby they may be removed and laid at the Proper Door and that so the guilty after serious Examination by an equal Consent of Parties may be by those who retain their Integrity to the Lord and his Truth visited exhorted and warned to repent and turn from that Spirit which hath beguiled so may the Judgments of the Lord be witnessed to the renewing of the Spirit of the Mind unto God again Amongst Friends in general the Friends at London were before me to visit on this Occasion but to be very
viz. That 't is Folly and Hypocrisy to profess our selves Members of the True Church and yet not Believe thus as the True Church Believes Pag. 36. Sect. V. What we stand for viz. Truth and Righteousness and that Christ's Government may be exalted in every Heart under which we are Instructed not to depend on Man but on the sufficiency of Gods Grace Page 27. A Testimony against Tythes and for Meeting together in time of Persecution the neglect whereof may be the Fruit of Weakness or Disobedience Page 28. The Government of Christ and the Laws thereof are Inward some part of the Fruits brought forth under the said Government are Described Page 29. An Objection relating to the securing any part of a Mans Estate on a fore-Sight of a Premunire or Fines for Meeting Answered Page 31. Sect. VI. On the Occasion of an Objection raised touching the Sufficiciency of Gods Grace Unity is treated on from the words of Paul to the Corinthians that they should all speak one thing Page 36. Touching the Word Independency occasioned by a Publick Preacher Page 38. That leaving Friends to the Grace Light and Spirit of God is not the way to lead into Rantism Page 42 43. Sect. VII Touching Church Government and the meaning of the Word Church Government in the Sense of our Opposers as we on sufficient Ground take it layd down Page 44. Our denial of that meaning Page 46. Several Scriptures from whence a Proof for Church Government hath been pretended are treated on shewing that from thence no Pretence can be to claime a Power over Conscience or Outward Property Page 46 47. The Doctrine touching Power over Conscience and Outward Things relating to meum and tuum as R. B's Terms are which we therefore call Outward Property examined and testified against as contrary to the Principle of Truth and Liberty we have in Christ Jesus Page 47. Our Sense what ought to be done for the Decision of Controversy with Relation to Property between Brother and Brother Page 48. An Objection raised to this purpose that what is given forth by the Spirit through the Brethren ought to be obeyed and not accounted the Dictates of Fallible Men and that if thou see it not thy Duty to obey the reason is thy want of Diligence and not waiting in thy Measure and so no Plea for thy Disobedience is good Page 54. The said Objection Answered Page 54. An Examination from the Scriptures Whether Christ gave any Incouragement to his Disciples to become Rulers over one another Page 59. Sect. VIII A Manifestation that the variance hath originally Reason from a Different Sense touching George Fox the General Meeting or Womens Meeting Page 61. Sect. IX An Epistle evidencing the Qualifications of such whom Sathan makes use of to Rend and Divide the Church of Christ Page 68. A Paper given forth by Edward Burroughs Anno 1661. touching the Scattered in Israel wherein by a Parable is lively described a part of what hath happened amongst the Flock of God in these latter Days Pag. 78. The Conclusion manifesting several Passages very material and worthy Observation as a further Discovery of the Fruits and Cause of Division and in Particular what hath been the Bait whereby George Fox hath been Tempted and Ensnared Pag. 85. The FIRST PART OF THE Christian-Quaker Distinguished from the Apostate and Innovator c. SECTION I. The INTRODUCTION Wherein the Case is stated manifesting That there was an Union and the Wayes and Meanes by which it came to be broken TO all the faithfull People of God called Quakers throughout this Nation of England or else where we your Brethren do send greeting in the Lord breathing unto the God of our Lives that the same Everlasting Arm and Power whereby we have been gathered unto God and into an heavenly Fellowship and Vnion one with another in the Life of Righteousness may preserve us all to the End of our Days in the Bond of perfect Love each toward other establisht upon that sure Rock of Ages Christ Jesus against which the Gates of Hell never did can or shall prevail And in this Love our Desires are that the Faithful unto whom this Treatise is directed may communicate the same unto others as in the Wisdom and Love of God they may see a Service thereof Dear Friends and Bretheren WE are truly sensible that all those who keep their Place and Habitation in the unchangeable Truth have with us a Sence of the many Snares and Temptations whereby Satan hath endeavoured to betray the Innocent whose Faces have been Zion-ward And that his most subtil Invention hath been to appear as an Angel of Light thereby to turn those whose Hearts have been inclined to follow the Lord out of the way of Truth And now Friends that which in the Grief of our Hearts we have to signifie to you is this We are sensible that the Evil Seeds-man is crept in amongst many of those called Quakers who as we believe have in Days past walkt together in true Fellowship each with other and that in the sensible Feeling of that Immortal Life whereby we with them were knit and united together as Bone of one anothers Bone and Flesh of one anothers Flesh having the Evidence of such our heavenly Union springing from that which neither the Carnal Eye nor the Carnal Ear could be Witnesses of In order hereunto we have this following Observation to make That the day was wherein those very Persons amongst the People called Quakers who now are at great varience and out of Unity each with other were once in Unity and therefore we think necessary to lay down Viz. First Some part of those things touching which the Faithful were at VNITY Secondly By what Wayes and Means that VNITY came to be broken And so leave the Consideration thereof to the Consciences of all who profess the Truth that so in the Light of Christ Jesus they may weigh and consider Whether their Vnity stood in the unchangable Truth and which of these Parties now at variance deviated therefrom The Consideration of this Observation doth lead us in relation to the first perticular thus to testify Viz. That about Twenty Six Years past it pleased the Lord to send forth many faithful Labourers of the Gospel of Christ Jesus who in his Name Dread and Power testified that their CALL was not of MAN but of GOD and that their Message was both to the Professour and to the Prophane To the Prophane crying on this wise Turn from the Evil of your Wayes and Doings and meet the Lord by sudden Repentance of your open Transgressions To the Professours who were not in the Common Pollutions of the World on this wise Your Outward Forms your Outward Ordinances and Outward Church Fellowships they are even but as Rudiments of this World and the Lord hath no Regard thereto And to both of them Turn in your Minds to the Light of Christ Jesus that shines in your Consciences exalting the Measure
not agreeable to the Second Covenant to expect that any one should be ordained of God to be amongst the Children of Light like unto Moses save Christ Jesus our Lord and Master who by his Spiritual Appearance in us is become our Leader and Lawgiver and therefore we have no Ground to believe that any one Mortal Man ought to assume that place amongst the Children of Light at this Day as Moses by the Appointment of God did amongst the Children of Israel in his Day especially if we do but consider that the Promise of the Lord through his Prophet Jeremiah Jer. 31.33 34. with relation to that Time and dispensation of the New Covenant under which we are was on this wise I will put my Law in their Inward Parts and write it in their Hearts and they shall teach no more every man his Neighbour and every man his Brother saying Know the Lord for they shall all know me from the least of them unto the greatest of them saith the Lord. SECT III. An Answer to the Second Position deducible from an Objection raised toward the Conclusion of the first Section viz. That Monthly and Quarterly Meetings are called the Church and ought to be submitted to T Is well remembred that that one Man G. F. went some years past into many parts of this Nation advising Friends to hold such Meetings viz. Monthly and Quarterly and in many places his Counsel was readily embraced but for our parts we understood not at that day that it was designed by him or any else that those Meetings should not only be accounted the Church but also such as professed the Truth ought to believe as this Church believes had he so exprest himself Testimonies would have arisen as a Flood against such Darkness for this would have plainly appeared to us to have opened a Door whereby that Babylonish Rubbish which we had been long testifying against might have been exalted in one day And to be very plain we cannot but now declare that we are fully satisfied in our Consciences that by this very Door a Body of Strife Contention Emulation Malice and Envy together with a Rending Dividing Seperate Spirit from the Truth is entred amongst many hundreds who before walked together with us in an Heavenly Union and Fellowship in the Life of Righteousness which doubtless may if it hath not already occasion many Honest Simple-hearted Friends thus in their Hearts to say Where are the People whom we shall now follow But if such retire into the Sanctuary of the Lord there in stilness to wait what God will say they will undoubtedly have this Answer You have a Teacher within you which cannot be removed into a Corner follow that Teacher lest peradventer your Feet do slip by going from your Inward Guide and following the Footsteps and Dictates of Man But to return 'T is now our Concern as to the second Position thus further to declare That whosoever hath or shall testifie that all those Meetings as usually held were the Church of God hath and will appear to be such as know not whereof they affirm for such a Testimony carries with it neither inward nor outward Evidence though we dare not conclude that none in those Meetings were Members of the Church for the Church of God consists properly of such as are by one Spirit baptized into one Body 1 Cor. 12.13 and so are in the Possession as well as Profession of Truth But yet whoever they were that did but so much as profess the Truth were admitted to be Members of such Meetings whilest they appeared in the outward Form thereof and were not then of Scandalous Conversations All which might appear in such as were far remote from witnessing the Circumcision of the Heart and the Answer of a good Conscience towards God which must be witnessed as the proper Product of the Baptism of the Spirit before a Possession of the Truth be known And whether Mens Meetings have not often consisted of such Members and are like so to do whilest the Door is open for any under the aforesaid Qualifications to sit there as it yet is we recommend to the Serious Consideration of the Impartial Readers and if so we desire them further to weigh and Consider First Whether it can be agreeable to the Truth to account every thing acted and done by every such Meeting to be the Product of the Church of Christ and accordingly to be submitted to Secondly Whether the Judging of some conscientiously refusing to submit to be dark leavened rending dividing or seperate Spirits because they refuse be not the fruit of that Spirit that would remove us from that Teacher that cannot be removed into a Corner to follow the Dictates of Fallible Men. Thirdly Whether a Plea for Obedience to the Orders of such Meetings from Persons Conscientiously Refusing to Obey hath not a tendency to Justify Usurpation since they have never evidenced to the Consciences of those from whom they have seemed to expect Obedience any other Call to that Service than their own Fourthly Whether a Plea for such Meetings to Govern in matters relating to Conscience hath not a tendency to Justify Confusion since according to the reputed Order of such Meetings None that are to be Ruled are excluded from being Rulers Let those who cannot believe this our last Assertion peruse Robert Barclay's Book of Government approved by such as have been accounted Ministring Friends at the second Days Meeting in London wherein 't is said Page 33. We are not so foolish as to concern our selves with those who are not of us None of which are according to the Import of the said Book of Government as we take it excluded from such Meetings nor yet to give Judgment therein witness Page 79 and 82. of the said book and since we are now treating of those Meetings we are not without a sense but that some may be ready thus to query viz. What Order is either prescribed or used whereby the sense of such Meetings is collected To this we say An eminent Person professing Truth being at Bristol did take occasion to signify at a Mens-Meeting held in that City to this effect That in London and other parts of this Nation where such Meetings were usually held the sense of the generallity hath been taken for the sense of such Meetings Comparing this with this Doctrine frequently of late publisht amongst us That the Apostacy shall never enter the generality more doth give us Just occasion to be Jealous that our opposers for the carrying on of their designs against us have contrived this method of carrying all things by the generality or major number of voices which Limitation we know hath been heretofore and by the faithfull to this day utterly disowned as contrary to the Truth and also by the approvers of R. B's Book of Government as in Page 81. and though the counsel of that one man who first advised to the aforesaid Meetings in some parts was
on this wise Choose from amongst you the faithfull yet such a limitation we have cause to believe will not now be born by some 't is well if the ground thereof in our opposers be not to bring in the multitude if they can and that under a pretence that all Friends in Truth may have free access that so the Generality may be on their side for of late Mens Meetings are known to consist of many such who if any ought to be Governed are much fitter to be Governed then appear as Governours and who we are well satisfied in our Consciences would of themselves be more modest than to appear in such Meetings as Governours were they not prompted to be there The secret end thereof as we have cause to doubt is for the carying on that which we believe Truth will never own And as to the Apostacy never entering the generality more we say may the Lord preserve us all so stayd in his Unchangable Truth as that we may never apostatise from it nor be drawn away from the hope of the Gospel by false Prophets and seducing Spirits for we do firmly believe that as many of those who formerly were in the Truth and do now account us Dark Spirits because we cannot be at Unity with them in such actions as we account Persecution against antient Brethern are already Apostatized and doubtless they with their adherents account themselves the generality yet we hope better things than so We now come to say somthing to these foregoing words viz. That in London and other part of this Nation where such Meetings where usually held the sense of the Generallity hath been taken for the sense of such Meetings To this we answer if thereby is intended that the generality may claim power to declare that their sense is the sense of the Meeting it opens a Door whereby the Reputation and Honour of Truth as Profest owned and practized amongst the Freinds thereof may fall in one day For when these Meetings were assented unto we cannot say establisht by any man we lookt upon our selves all Servants one unto another and not Masters and Rulersover one another and so had then no occasion given us to discourse of Authority but when there was we well Remember that we ascribed all Authority unto the appearance of the invisible Power of God and so no encouragment was given by us that any one Man or Men should take upon him or them to Rule and Govern in such Meetings but our expectations were that every Member should there appear in subjection to Christ the Head and higher Power unto which as Members of his Body we owe Obedience In this sense we readily embraced the Counsel to Meet together to Serve but not to Bear Rule over one another's Consciences and the matters intended by us to be transacted in those Meetings and by others also as far as we understood were chiefly To take care of the poor the fatherless and the widdow And that if any professed the Truth and dishonour'd the same by prophane and evil Conversation we might by such ways and meanes as the Lord on every occasion might direct not then thinking that the day would ever come wherein an Outward Directory should be placed as a Judg over our Consciences Indeavor to reclaim such from the Evil of their Ways and for these Services we are sensible that Meetings are proper and therefore do continue in the services thereof yet never thought that we should have seen the Day wherein any professing the truth would have attempted to treat on such a Subject as this viz. How far doth this Government extend in matters Spiritual and purely conscientious and not only so but be approved as the aforesaid Book of Government wherein the said sentence is written hath been by a Meeting that takes upon them to take Care as they pretend that nothing be Printed whereby the Truth may be dishonour'd Alas Friends can such appear to us as men staid in the Unchangable Truth who have suffered and highly contended for Liberty of Conscience and that Christ alone is Lord over it and is its only Lawgiver and yet now reckon that Mens-Meetings which we or at least several of us do know having been much conversant therein even from the begining to this day have most usually consisted of Men Vncertain in Numbers as well as to Qualifications and Persons may assume a Power over Conscience under the Notion of the Church of Christ Truly Friends we cannot but testify that our Souls have no Unity with such things and cannot but look upon the Promoters thereof as Lovers of Preheminency more than Lovers of God having let in a dark seperate rending dividing Spirit from the Truth and opened a Door whereby as great Darkness may be brought over the People As ever was in any Age under the profession of Christian Religion Objection But perhaps some persons may thus Object We cannot but have more Charity for some at least of those who are concerned in these things you strike at and cannot believe they intend an imposition on any of our Consciences for when we have been in Meetings with them we have been Witnesses that the Life hath been raised and our Souls have been refreshed through their Ministry and in their Epistles they tell us how eminently the Lord appears amongst them unto which we cannot but give Credit because when they are with us the Life in us answers to the Life in them as Face answers Face in a Glasse but when those whom they oppose do speak then Deadness Dryness and Barrenness appears besides many of the Ministring Friends have exhorted us and as they say in the Name of the Lord that we ought to shut out Jealousies the Reasoning and the Wisdom telling us as before is hinted That the Apostacy shall never enter the generality more and that we ought to have an eye to the Brethren Answ This Objection may seem very weighty with some especially such who may conclude that if they are of the true Brotherhood the Lord will give them an inward sense when they wait upon him whereby a Testimony according to the Truth may arise from them in every Case wherein they may Concern their thoughts but alas 't is either the fruit of Weakness or Presumption so to conclude with respect to every Brother in what estate soever which hath been sufficiently evidenced to us by the Fruits of those who have taken upon them to Judge the Merit of a Cause without hearing of both Parties of which more anon Besides if we do but consider that the Scriptures of Truth do testify there are diversities of Gifts diversities of Administrations and Operations and yet by the same Spirit it were sufficient to prompt us to be so Serious and weighty in this day of Tryal as to be found waiting every one in his own Gift that so all may be preserved and not meddle with things that are too high for them He that is not
Spiritual Guide and Teacher which is infailible and cannot be removed into a Corner with confidence then may we conclude that none such will ever more boast of the possession which they have taken as Heirs of the Gospel with respect to things that are without Secondly As to this part of the aforesaid Objection viz. that nothing but Dryness Deadness and Barrenness appears in those who are opposed by such with whom thou art at Unity we say This seems not strange unto us for the Apostle thus Testifies We are unto God a sweet Savour of Christ in them that are saved and in them that perish to the one we are the Savour of Death unto Death and to the other the Savour of Life unto Life This give us occasion to put every one that has or may Judge the sound form of words to be Deadness Dryness Barrenness especially when Springing from such whom thou hast known to be in the Life upon this search is not the reason thereof because I am watching for evil and have let in a Spirit of Prejudice believing an evil Report when perhaps it may not be Truth If this be thy State we must plainly tell thee they are the very Tokens of a Perishing Condition and then though it be the Word of Life that is Preached yet it can be no other according to the Testimony of the Apostle but the Savour of Death unto thee Besides we have this further Observation to make that some at least of those thus Testified against as Dead Dry and Barren are chiefly such unto whom God hath given a Portion of Understanding above many of their Brethren and have and yet do as far as ever we know appear Sound in Doctrine and as blameless in Life and Conversation as any friends we have ever known and so cannot run with the Current of the Times we desire therefore that every one of the Opposers of or Judges over such will yet more thoroughly search their own Consciences and in a Godly Jealousy over themselves put these queries unto their own hearts and try things in the equal ballance Have not I many times heard Unsound Doctrines and beheld Disorder and Confusion brought forth even in Publick Meetings for worship by those who cry against Dark Seperate Spirits and yet not been a Reproof thereto Concluding notwithstanding that there did a Freshness and Life appear Have not I been often affected with an Outward Tone and strength of Lungs when there hath been little to the Information and Building up one another in the most Holy Faith Have not I been better Contented to hear a Thundering kind of Voice Crying out against a Seperate Spirit though without Distinction when not a word was spoken to shew the Way to the Kingdom than to hear the Way of Eternal Life Plainly Demonstrated by a soft and moderate Voice We know there is great cause for many to put these questions to their Consciences and to be cool in Spirit that so they may have an Answer from the Lord whose appearance is not in the strong winds but in the still Voice SECT IV. An Answer to the Third Position deducible from an Objection raised toward the Conclusion of the first Section viz. That 't is Folly and Hipocrisy to profess our selves Members of the True Church and yet not Believe thus as the True Church Believes TO this we say we are altogether dissatisfied especially when we consider what a Body of darkness hath entered under the Belief of this Position we must believe as the Church believes amongst the Professors of Christianity in Ages past as well as at this present Day that such Language can become the mouth or pen of any one that professeth not only Faith in Christ but also that such his Faith is grounded upon the Inward Manifestation and Revelation of Gods Spirit in himself mark we say in himself Those who are accounted Apostate Christians have from such Assemblies which they call their Church set forth their Creeds by which it may be known what the Members of their Church do and ought to Believe and since 't is so that no Person is able to make out that ever any Assembly under the Notion of the true Church amongst the People called Quakers have published their Creed by which we mean a certain number of Articles of Faith recommending them as those things which every Member of the true Church ought to believe or else not be accounted a Member of the true Church we cannot account it unreasonable if any one that liketh not the Language touching Believing as the true Church Believes should ask the Publisher thereof this Question Hast thou not spoken this with respect to the People called Quakers as those whom thou accountest the True Church And if so is it not folly to talk of believing as this Church believes when no assembly under the notion of this Church have to this day declared and published their Creed for the ends aforesaid Nay may it not further be said we know how Papists and Protestants describe their Church but at the day wherein that which occasions this present discourse was given forth it was not discovered by any reputed Quakers publickly in Print that we know of who or were the true Church is with respect to visible persons more than what is to this effect given forth by the Author occasioning this present discourse viz. That the People called Quakers are the Church Wherein we do not take his meaning to be that all called Quakers were the Church of God but the Elect amongst them for he also saith The Church signifies the Elect and so the Reader is left without any certain Description who or where this Church is with respect to visible Persons since the Elect amongst them are not outwardly described For the clearing of the Truth and the opening of the Understandings of such as may be muddled about this matter 't is with us thus to Testifie 'T is well known that it pleased the Lord to reach unto many of our Consciences at the beginning of this latter Day that hath dawned amongst us whereby we came to Believe in the Everlasting Light of the Lord and as others held forth the Visible Orders and Written Faiths of a Visible Church to be as a Lanthorn to their Paths and as a Ground of their Faith so this Light of Christ was preach't up as a Lanthorn to our Paths and as the Ground of our Faith and then as our Understandings came to be more and more opened we clearly saw that as other Churches had outward Marks and Tokens whereby a man might manifest himself to be a Member of their Church when received into Society with their Church so we who had Believed in the Light of our Lord Jesus Christ and had the Evidence in our selves that we were of the true Brotherhood and Members of Christ's Body were at a loss infallibly to manifest unto others by any Outward Marks or Tokens that we were in
Reality Members of the true Church Because this Light in which we had Believed did reveal unto us that those who were but in the Gentile Nature and had come no further than the Outward Court that was given to the Gentiles might have all the Outward Marks and signs of a Member of their Churches and yet know very little of the washing by the Water of Regeneration and Sanctification through the Spirit which every Member of the true Church that 's Built on the Rock Christ comes to be Witness of And therefore when our Opposers who professed not the Truth would reflect upon us on this wise You are a confused People you gather not into Church-fellowships you have no certain Way to know one another to be Members of the Church as we have And why do you not put forth your Creed that so we may know what and how many the Articles of your Faith are and what you stand for and what you stand against The best Answer that ever as we could understand we were capable to give in Truth unto such was this The True Church is in God who is the Author and Finisher of our Faith we have believed in the Sufficiency of his Grace unto which if we are obedient according to the respective measures thereof given of God and Received by us we then have the Witness of God in our Consciences giving Evidence that we are of the True Brotherhood and of the Church of the First Born whose Names are written in Heaven though we do not alleadge any outward Marks and Signes whereby our Bodies being Temples wherein the Holy Ghost doth dwell ought to be accounted within the pale of the true Church And albeit no Outward Society of Men amongst us calling themselves the Church have put forth any certain number of Articles of Faith with this Testimony that every one that professeth himself a Member of the Church of Christ ought so to Believe or else not be accounted of the True Church yet many of our Freinds unto whom the Lord hath given Divine Understanding have written divers Books according as the Spirit of the Lord hath moved upon their Hearts out of which the sound Doctrines we hold and stand for may be collected though others so reputed may thorough Weakness have erred To conclude as to this particular we further thus testifie In the Church of Christ there are Babes Young Men and Fathers there are the Weak and the Strong Suppose a Weak Brothers Faith Differs from his Brethren must he be accounted a Fool or an Hipocrite Nay Nay Charity measures not so We find this very Case happening amongst the Romans and what said Paul in that Case Read Rom. 14.3 4 22 23. and there Paul thus adviseth Let not him that eateth dispise him that eateth not and let not him that eateth not Judge him which eateth for God hath received him Who art thou that condemnest another Man's Servant To his own Master he standeth or falleth Hast thou Faith Have it to thy self He that doubteth is condemned if he eat because he eateth not of Faith and whatsoever is not of Faith is Sin Hence 't is evident the Members of the Church differed in their Faith he that did eat was not to be Judged because he was Received of God he that did not eat was so far from being Judged that the Apostle condemnes the very eating whilest there was a Doubt though the abstaining from eating was the Fruit of Weakness We now leave it to the Conscience of every Impartial Reader in the Light of Christ Jesus to weigh and consider whether it can be Service to the Truth and agreeable to the meaning of the Spirit at this day for any person under the name of Quaker to give forth this Doctrine 't is folly and hipocrisy to profess our selves Members of the True Church and yet not believe thus as the True Church believes though the giver forth thereof may to this purpose also declare as to give the publisher thereof his due he hath That they never did preach up such a Position as a great Argument to enforce People into their Faith SECT V. What we stand for viz. Truth and Righteousness and that Christ's Government may be exalted in every Heart under which we are instructed not to depend on Man but on the sufficiency of God's Grace A Testimony against Tythes and for Meeting together in time of Persecution the neglect whereof may be the Fruit of Weakness or disobedience The Government of Christ and the Laws thereof are inward Some part of the Fruits brought forth under the said Government are discribed An Objection relating to the Securing any part of a mans Estate on a fore-sight of a Premunire or Fines for meeting answered HAving thus far eased our selves 't is with us in short to inform the Reader what we stand for and what we stand against that so the understanding impartiall Reader who cannot be principled to shut out all Reason and all Wisdom notwithstanding publick Exhortations to the contrary as if Wisdom and Reason of all kinds were condemnable may perceive more clearly what we are and what we are not That then which chiefly we stand for is Truth and Righteousness and that Christ's Government may be exalted in every Heart which might be branched forth into many particular Doctrines and Practices but forasmuch as that hath largely been treated on by many antient honourable Friends to Truth and Righteousness who were Instruments in Gods Hand to gather us into the Belief of his Light and Sufficiency of his Grace though since fallen asleep and that we intend more particularly to treat thereon in the second part of this Treatise we shall not much enlarge thereon in this part yet think it necessary for the sakes of some here to signifie That Truth and Righteousness for which we stand under the Government of Christ hath Instructed us not to depend on Man for teaching but on the Sufficiency of Gods Grace nor yet to put into the mouths of false Prophets or Hireling Shepherds and on this foot we have had a Testimony against paying of Tythes as being that Antichristian-Yoak which in the dark Night of Apostacy hath been spread over Nations and as we came to believe in the Light of Christ Jesus and to depend upon the Sufficiency of his Grace and to know the benefit of our assembling our selves together to wait upon the Lord for the arising of his pure immortal Life to the refreshing and consolating our immortal Souls we have been made willing Praises be to our God to continue the assembling of our Selves together waiting upon the Lord in the day of Persecution and Hour of Tryal though Sufferings might therefore attend believing that whatsoever society of People had been in the Life of Christianity and yet should for Fear of Man or the Lawes of Men forsake the assembling of themselves together as the manner of some hath been in dayes past when the will of the Lord
was they should not forbear might thereby come to lose their strength in the Lord for that we believe 't is the duty of every Christian to think nothing too dear to offer up for the Lord when he commands or calls for it Mark We do not say at every time that any Informer that thirsteth after our ruin and Estates thorough Malice especially when not prompted thereto by such as are Ministers of the Law calls for it but we say when the Lord Commands or Calls for it And if peradventure any should be so overcome as through Disobedience Fear or Weakness not to stand stedfast to the Testimony of Truth in the day of Tryal even in that manner that the Lord willeth it is then the Duty of those that are strong to deal gently with such and in that Charity spoken of by the Apostle 1 Cor. 13. That beareth all things that endureth all things endeavour to convince them of such their weakness that so their Faith and Strength in the Truth may come to encrease and not be so remote from bearing the Infirmities of the Weak which was the Apostles Counsel to those who were Strong as instead thereof to publish such their Weakness by way of Recrimination through the Nation especially whilest such Weakness might truly be termed want of Sight or clear Conviction We also do believe that the Government of Christ is an Inward Government that the Laws thereof are Inward and that the only place wherein they are to be exalted is in the Heart of Man for that Christ's Appearance is there to be waited for and that this Government cannot be established by Man because 't is already on Christ's Shoulders and he that sits on the Throne of David is to establish it Notwithstanding 't is well known that some called Quakers by writing under their hands have declared themselves to be the Establishers of the Churches in the Holy Order of Truth We also do believe that those who have lived under this Government of Christ bring forth the peaceable Fruits of Righteousness strive not for Preheminence nor yet like the Gentiles exercise Lordship over one another but are meek gentle humble and easie to be entreated ready to pass by and forgive Offences even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven us and so shew forth the Fruit of that Love whereof Christ our Lord and Master did declare when he said By this shall all men know that ye are my Disciples if ye Love one another But on the contrary we cannot but testify that those who are so far from following Peace with all men which was the Apostles Counsel as to raise Contention amongst their Brethren endeavouring to make them Offenders for those things which in the Sight of the All-seeing God are no Offence do not appear to be Subject unto Christ's Government though they may stile themselves Establishers of the Churches in the Holy Order of Truth Object But perhaps some may here Object How come you and those your Opposers who run against you as dark leavened superate Spirits thus to disagree for certain we are that we have heard them testifie to the sufficiency of Gods Grace in Opposition to the Teachings of Man magnifie the Light of Christ Jesus as the Guide to the Father and bear witness against Tyth-payers and Fleers in time of Persecution Answ Yes verily we believe so too but yet we are not of those who can hold an Unity with such who sometimes tell us We must walk according to the Measure of Gods Grace in our selves and that magnifie the sufficiency thereof as the only unerring Rule and yet be Judging their Brethren because they cannot have an Eye to some Outward Rules and Orders given forth by such who have said Look not unto us but unto the Lord when at the same time such as may be so Judged shall solemuly affirm it reaches not to their Consciences unto which all Papers Outward Rules and Prescriptions are to be brought that so by the Light of Christ Jesus therein they may be tryed and not our Consciences brought unto Papers or any thing Outward to be a Bond thereon before an Inward Conviction from the Measure of the Grace of God received neither can we be at Unity with the Appearance of that Spirit in any one that villifies others for Fleers in time of Persecution Backbiting instead of endeavouring to restore in the Spirit of Meekness such when such an one hath appeared a Fleer at such like times himself neither can we be at Unity with the Appearance of that Spirit be it in whomsoever it will that can recriminate men as Tyth-payers who have been Faithful in their Testimony relating to Tythes and yet advise a Friend to Purchase Tythes which is G. F's Case with relation to his Advice unto Nathaniel Crips and Robert Arch according as is treated on and proved by Certificates under their hands recorded in the 21th Section of the Manuscript first mentioned in the Preface ready to be seen We are now sensible that some of our Opposers may take occasion from a part of our fore going words thus to Object Obj. This your Language of Offering up all seems not according to the sence of some to square with the practice of securing any part of your Estates when you foresee a probability of incurring a Premunire or being fined for Meeting which as report saith hath been the Case of some of you and not only so but that you have Justified the same notwithstanding some whom we account faithful have in Publick Meetings for Worship declared against it instancing the words of Christ when he said unto Peter Get thee behind me Satan thou art an Offence to me for thou savourest not the things that be of God which was so spoken by Christ because Peter said unto him Be it far from thee Lord this shall not be unto thee meaning as the Context shews that he would not have Jesus go to Jerusalem there to sufer though 't was manifested to him that he must go thither and suffer c. Read Mat. 16.21 22 23. and so by consequence it appears that Christ reproved that Spirit which exhorted to save Self Besides 't is well known that on this occasion the rebellions and condemned Action of Saul in saving Agag and he best of the Sheep and Oxen alive being a part of what by the Commandment of the Lord he took of the Amalakites hath frequently been brought as an instance against some of you to shew that all ought to be offered up Read 1 Sam. 15. Answ Forasmuch as this very Objection hath been made use of as a prevailing Argument to affect some ignorant People against the Friends of Truth 't is needfull it should receive a particular Answer and Observation which now followeth Peters words had a tendency to divert Christ from what he knew to be his Duty Sauls Action was known and confest Rebellion in saving that which was no part of his own proper Substance but
understood the most pertinent Arguments might be produced to prove Church-Government or a Government in some Member or Members over the rest Mat. 18.15 16 17. We find Christ thus saying Moreover if thy Brother shall trespass against thee go tell him his Fault if he will not hear thee take with thee one or two and if he shall neglect to hear them tell it to the Church but if he neglect to hear the Church let him be unto thee as an heathen man Verily I say unto you whatsoever ye shall bind in Earth shall be bound in Heaven Comparing this Scripture touching the Trespass of one Brother against another with what Paul Writes 1 Cor. 2.4 Dare any of you having a matter against another go to Law before the unjust do ye not know that the Saints shall Judge the World if then ye have Judgment of things pertaining to this Life set them to Judge who are least esteemed in the Church we reasonably conclude that the words of Christ and of the Apostle only hinted at either Personal Offences or Differences touching Worldly Matters and that therein the Duty of the Church was only to exhort to submit to their Counsel which If they did not they might Justly be esteemed as Heathen Men but this is nothing to the purpose of those who have approved a Plea for such a Church-Government as Claimes a Power of Deciding Matters relating to Conscience and outward things also on the occasion of Differences raised touching Worldly Estate and that others ought to obey such Decisions which in its natural Consequence hath as we take it no Less Tendency than to claim Power over our Properties as well as Consciences We are now sensible that many Friends who have not been acquainted with the secret Cause of all the Differences amongst Friends will be even startled at this and be ready to query Are there any such amongst the People called Quakers We Answer Yes Verily and that those who may be accounted Christians too viz. those who approved in the Second Dayes Meeting at London the before-cited Book of R. B. relating to Government in the Church We shall begin first with the Matter of Conscience the Title of the sixth Section thereof runs thus How far this Government doth extend in matters Spiritual and purely Conscientious and then treating thereon the Author thus saith in which the great Question is How far in such Cases the Church may give Positive Orders or Rules and so proceeds to ask this question viz. Whether the Church of Christ have Power in any Cases that are Matters of Conscience to give a Positive sentence or Decision which may be Obligatory upon Believers and then goes on thus answering viz. I answer affirmatively She hath which being compared with what he writes Page 68. of his said Book on this wise viz. that their De facto giving a Positive Sentence in such Cases will not import Tyranny and Usurpation neither will the pretences of any contradicting them or refusing to submit on the account they see it not excuse them of being guilty of Disobeying God clearly shewes to us his meaning to be That in some Cases the Consciences of Believers ought to be bound by the Positive Sentence of Others without leaving any Liberty for a Believer to refuse to submit on account of not seeing it his Duty to submit This Meaning and Government over the Consciences of Believers we take to be contrary to the Principle of Truth and Liberty we have in Christ Jesus for that no Outward Sentence or Matter whatsoever can obliege the Conscience to be approving this or that Exercise or Practice or to be in the Belief of this or that Judgment Sentence or Decree until such time that the Conscience thorough the inshining of Christ's Light therein comes to be satisfied and thereby to be bound and obleiged and though we find the Author to the Hebrewes Chap. 13. Vers 7. saying on this wise Remember them which have the Rule over you yet he doth not say Such who had the Rule were the Church but discribes them in the next following words to be such who had Spoken unto them the Word of God so that if any Authority be given to any to Rule as Members of Christ's Body it appears from the Scriptures of Truth to be unto such who had Spoken the Word of God unto them over whom they had the Rule and therefore can be no President or Proof that mixt and uncertain Assemblies as to Number and Qualification may call themselvs the Church and under that Notion give forth Orders Rules and Sentences telling the rest of those whom they may account their Fellow-Members 'T is your Duty to Obey though you pretend YOU SEE IT NOT. Besides it doth not appear that those who spoke the Word of God did give forth any Sentence by vertue of their Authority that might become a Bond on the Conscience before Conviction by the Grace of God and Why Because it is by that Grace that the heart comes to be Established according as the Author to the Hebrews writes Vers 9. of the same Chapter For 't is a good thing that the Heart be established with Grace But Perhaps some may quote Paul 2 Thes 3.6 Who thus saith Now we Command you Brethren in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you with-draw your selves from every Brother that walketh disorderly and not after the Tradition which he received of us To this we say Paul in the following Verse gives the Reaon for the Urging Obedience to his Precept viz. For ye your selves know how ye ought to follow us hence we may conclude that their Hearts were so established in the Grace of God as that the Knowledge of their Duty became a greater Obligation upon them then Paul's Command Verse the 14th of the same Chap. Paul saith If any Man obey not our Word by this Epistle note that Man and have no Company with him that he may be ashamed This may some say seems very positive to imply that God hath given Authority to some to Rule in the Church Our Answer to this is Paul's words related to such of whom Vers 11 12 13. of the same Chapter he saith We heard that there were some amongst you that walked Inordinately and work not at all but are Busy-Bodyes therefore them that are such we Command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ that they work with quietness and eat their own bread and ye Brethren be not weary in well-doing and then he exhorts Vers 14th If any man obey not our Word by this Epistle note that Man and have no company with him This clearly shewes what the Apostle had relation unto viz. to that necessary and commandable Duty mentioned in Vers the 11th that such who were Busie-Bodies walking inordinately might not in their busie inordinate Spirit eat the Bread of others but work that they might eat their own Bread were this Command of the Apostle obeyed by many of those who run
to and fro having little other Business or Matter than to cry against some Friends under the term of Dark Seperate Spirits though such as are Faithful we should not have so many False Accusers as we have troubling the Countries raising publick Contentions in Meetings for worship amongst us to the open Scandal of Truth and Observation of our common Enemies whereby they rejoyce and cry ha Several instances of this nature are recorded in the Second part of the said first Manuscript mentioned in the Preface ready for the View of Friends as aforesaid And though they give the first onset by Publick Testimonies against particular Persons Ancient and Honourable in the Truth yet a sober Request from any of us desiring to know the Matter that 's Evil whereof such are guilty is with them sufficient ground to lay the Contention at our Doors saying Why cannot you bear all things would have been well if you could have born But alas we are not of those who can so suffer Truth to fall in our Streets and so they go on where they have Credit proseliting simple People against honest Friends by their Lies and Slanders But to return let us consider Whether the last recited Quotation speaks any thing to encourage one Brother to claim Authorty over the Conscience of another or that some Members of the Church of Christ may meet together and give forth Sentences and Decrees in Matters relating to Conscience against others oblieging all to submit thereto Nay verily that Construction cannot stand in Truth and Righteousness though it should come from an Assembly called a General Assembly For albeit the Author to the Hebrews tells them They were come to the General Assembly and Church of the First-Born which are written in Heaven Yet he speaks nothing of their Authority as Judges much less that their Sentences or Judgements should obliege the Consciences of others without relation to a Conviction from the Appearance of the Spirit of Truth or Grace of God in themselves but tells them that God is the Judge of all The next thing we are to manifest is that some there are amongst the People called Quakers who may be accounted Chieftains too that approve of a Plea for Government amongst themselves which in its natural consequence hath as we take it no less tendency than to claim a Power over our Properties as well as Consciences For Proof whereof we say the Second Days Meeting of Ministring Friends in London took upon them the Approbation of the aforesaid Book relating to Government whereby they are Entituled to the Matter therein contained The Reader may peruse the Fifth Section of the aforesaid Book of Government beginning Page 37. the Title of which Section is In what Cases and how far this Government extends and first as to Outwards and Temporals the Author treating thereon Page 39 sayeth thus In the second place this Order reacheth the Taking-up and Composing of Differences as to Outward Things and so proceeding on that Subject the Author comes thus to affirm We do boldly Averre that as a People gathered together by the Lord unto the same Faith and distinguished from all others by our Joynt Testimony and Sufferings that we have Power and Authority to decide and remove these things This we Testifie is repugnant to the Light of Christ Jesus within us and Testimony of the Scriptures of Truth without us for as Christ's Kingdom is not of this World so 't is not likely that his Members should by his Authority claim a Jurisdiction in the Matters relating to this World and if Christ himself when he was desired by a certain man * Luke 12.13 14. to bid his Brother divide the Inheritance with him refused to be a Judge in that Matter relating to Property when desired by one Party saying Who made me a Judge over you how much more unreasonable is it for his Members to assume a Jurisdiction when desired by neither Party we leave it to the Consciences of impartial and understanding Readers to weigh and consider and in the Light of Christ to Judge saying in our Hearts Blessed be the Lord that neither the Second Dayes Meeting nor those who are at Unity with them as Approvers of the said Book have any Jurisdiction over our Properties for if they had and should appear so unjust in their Sentences towards us as some have been Scandalous in their Tongues the Prophesies of our Outwardly Withering in Basket and Store might quickly come to pass but Blessed be God the Lord hath hitherto been a Blessing to us so that at this time in a Sense of his Mercy and of that Charity which obliegeth us to love our Enemies we do heartily desire that the False Prophesies and Plagues against others whom the Lord hath and doth Bless may not be fulfilled on the Heads of such Prophesiers Object But perhaps some may query of us What ought to be done in Cases of Difference between Brother and Brother Answ To this we say The Parties differing ought to choose Honest Men skilled in the matters wherein they differ to end the same and not go to Law and if any shall refuse so to do the Church of Christ have only Power to Admonish them to their Duty and if they refuse to take their wholsome Counsel may then declare such unworthy of their Society but for any Members under the notion of the Church to say We have Power to decide and remove these things without the assent of the Parties differing is an Usurpation and that the assent of Parties was not intended by the Approvers of the said Book of Government it is evident to us for that there is not in any part of the said Book one Tittle to that purpose neither could such Assent be so exprest and yet the Case whereunto unto it related be pertinent to the matter of Power treated on in that Section which was In what Cases and how far this Government extends whenas any Heathen Man might claim the like Power when given by assent of Parties And to us 't is evident that the Purport of Paul's Counsel to the Corinths 1 Cor. 6. at variance was That they who were at Variance should choose some of the least in the Church and not the rest of the Church choose or set apart any for them to decide their Differences For that when he said I speak to your shame is it so that there is not a Wise Man amongst you He could not in Truth intend shame to those in the Church who were not at Variance but in Peace Love and Unity in the Truth each towards other for no question but they were ready to choose Wise Men to judge the matter if they had had Power or the differing Parties would have assented but doubtless the shame intended by the Apostle related to the Parties differing who had Power to choose Persons to decide their Differences and yet would not but go to Law On the whole matter we have this further
by the same Rule He that savours the things of God may easily perceive that the meaning of the Spirit through Paul unto those Philippians was that those who were come to a state of Perfection should walk by that Rule whereunto they had attained but those who had not attained so far and were otherwise-minded were to wait for the Revelation of the Son And now to conclude as to this Objection we have this further to add that we do know many of our Opposers or at least such who are not at Unity with us have very confidently made use of such Discourse as is contained in the last recited Objection to induce us to follow outward Prescriptions and Orders though not convinced of its service which occasions us to be Jealous that in process of time the enemy may so enter in at this Door as that Darkness may more generally overshadow again than it yet doth though our Hope in God is that he will lay such a constraint on many of those whose Eyes are open beholding the approached Apostacy as that they may be raised in a sense of Gods Indignation and appear as Lyons on the behalf of the Lyon of the Tribe of Juda to oppose every appearance of that Spirit which would be exalting Self or any Form Observation Prescription or Order to be as a Bond on the Members of Christs Body when by the Light of Christ their alone Lawgiver they are not fully perswaded thereof in their own Consciences which undoubtedly was the meaning of the Spirit through Paul when he writ unto the Romans Chap. 14. Vers 5 23. Let every man be fully perswaded in his own mind For whatsoever is not of Faith is Sin And to come a little closer to the matter in hand 't is too too evident that Non-conformity to Outward Prescriptions is taken as a mark of Apostacy even amongst those who have Been under the profession of Truth of which many instances too too Large here to insert might be produced which is now forborn because we suppose there are very few amongst the People called Quakers for whose sakes this is chiefly written who are ignorant of the Truth hereof Besides it hath been an Observation of late that these Questions or Questions to the like import have been frequently askt by such with whom we cannot be at Unity in all things viz. Are you for Womens Meetings Meaning distinct Womens Meetings from Men amongst whom Under Pretence of taking care of the Poor another thing seems to be more chiefly aimed at as anon will be made appear Are you for Recording Condemnations Meaning thereby whether the Partyes who have Condemned their Failings and through the Mercies of the Lord have been restored and their Officence blotted out and forgiven by him assent thereto or no. Are you for settled Monethly and Quarterly Meetings touching Outward Business since those who would have Meetings as occasion offers are accounted Designers to through down all Meetings for Outward Business relating to the Affairs of Truth And when these or such like Questions have been a skt of Friends in Truth that could not Answer thereto Yea we are sensible that it hath been taken by many as a sufficient token of a Dark Leavened Rending Dividing Spirit and meerly as we take it form an apprehension that the Form they stand for is thereby struck at though the Services would be effectually performed in another method as experience in the Counties of Westmoreland and Wilts hath of late testified for were it not so that great stress is laid upon the Outward Form of things prescribed to be practised how comes it to pass that J. S. was articled against by Robert Barrow and twenty six Persons more in the north on this wise viz. J. S. speaking amongst many Friends of the Danger of Forms because of the Consequences that might follow said that amongst the Christians of Old the Differences that did arise was about Forms which could not be seasonable words when we were establishing the Churches in the Holy Order of Truth Much more might be collected from the Articles being forty four in number exhibited by Robert Barrow and twenty six Persons as aforesaid to shew how earnestly and zealously the very Outward Form of things are contended for which occasions us in all seriousness of Spirit thus to say May the Lord God of Heaven and Earth so preserve his People that they may not be ensnared by those who have raised so great Contention about the Outward Forms of things prescribed to be practised amongst the Professors of Truth lest they with them prove to be Boasters proud Blasphemers false Accusers Despisers of those that are Good which are the very Marks and Tokens of those who had a Form of Godliness but denied the Power thereof from whom the Apostle Exhorts to turn away and how far these Marks rest upon many of those who so earnestly contend for their Outward Forms we leave to the Impartial Reader with the Light of Christ to Judge when he hath thorowly informed himself of their Fruits Oh Friends the serious Consideration of these things bows us before the Lord and in a Sense of his Mercies to us we can no longer keep silent but in his Fear declare that our Consciences are concerned for the Cause of God and his Truth and since it is so that an ill use is made of that Spirit of Forbearance and Condescension which we are sensible hath been used by many of our Brethren it is now become our Portion to unburthen our selves of that which hath been our Burthen believing that the Lord is not only arisen but will yet more and more arise against that Spirit that would exalt it self over the Heritage of God endeavouring to rule over their Consciences whenas Christ alone is Lord thereof It may now be worthy our Observation to consider whether any Encouragement was given by our Lord and Master Christ Jesus whilest on Earth unto his Disciples to become Rulers one over another We find that he Exhorts his Disciples Judge not that ye be not Judged be not ye called Rabbi for one is your Master even Christ And all ye are Brethren but he that is greatest amongst you shall be your Servant and whosoever shall exalthimself shall be abased and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted Here is no ground to believe that Christ Intended that when he was departed his Disciples should be exalting themselves one over another as Governours and Rulers and if we consult the Scriptures of Truth we shall find that though his Disciples had a Dependency upon him whilest in his Bodily Appearance to be their Leader yet he tells them John 16.7.13 It is expedient for you that I go away for if I go not away the Comforter will not come unto you but if I depart I will send him unto you and he will guide you into all Truth for he shall not speak of himself Had it been so that Christ Jesus intended the
like Women were recorded for their Wisdom and their Vertue c. he answered William Rogers thus I knew what I did I saw 't would be a Stumbling Block but there is something in it We cannot otherwise be perswaded but that he would then see that he is fallen from the Truth that the words reported to be spoken by J. Naylor when he said in Relation to his own falen state I am but the figure of another are now fulfilled in him Oh! that the Lord would change his Heart bring him to a true Sight of and sorrow for his sin as he did J. N. after his Fall and then we hope as he hath been an Offence unto the Church of God so the Lord will lay a Constraint upon him as he did upon James Naylor to travel amongst Friends whom he hath offended to clear the truth of that Scandal and Reproach which thorough him hath been brought upon it For 't is an Abomination before the Lord and at this day seasonably testified against by the Children of Light that G. F. should be an Occasion of so much Division Strife and Contention as hath been made in the Nation touching his Papers under a pretence That he hath been moved of God to give them forth that Friends might be supplied with Directions to keep all things clean and sweet amongst Friends meaning thereby amongst other things and that according to the Express words of his Papers That there should be no Backbiting Tale-bearing Judging one another and that evil reports should not be concealed but be followed until the Authors thereof be found c. and yet be the very Person that is notoriously guilty in all those things himself which would have been proved against him had he submitted to a Hearing as aforesaid But for as much as he hath refused to submit to such a Hearing though several Letters from Friends in Truth have been written unto him to entreat him thereto and in particular hath been treated withal by Daniel Smith of Malborrough to whom he gave this Answer he Judged 't would be a jangle as 't was at Bristol and so refused as by a Letter from the said Daniel Smith doth appear therefore we do at present refer for Proof of the Matters whereof we assert in this Paragraph that he is guilty to the last mentioned Manuscript and in particular to the 21st Section thereof which is ready for the perusal of Friends desiring to view the same William Rogers on behalf of himself and other Friends in truth concerned The SECOND PART OF THE Christian-Quaker Distinguished from the APOSTATE INNOVATOR WHEREIN DOCTRINES of TRUTH cleared from Objections are laid down agreeable to the Scripture of Truth given forth by Inspiration and according as they have been received and owned by the Children of Light or such amongst the People termed in Derision Quakers who have received from God Divine Understanding and kept their Place and Habitation in the Unchangeable Truth Also An APPENDIX detecting Charles Marshal and sixty five more as Unrighteous Judges in a Case pretended to relate to John Story and John Wilkinson two antient and honourable Labourers in the Gospel of Christ By WILLIAM ROGERS on behalf of himself and other Friends in Truth concerned 1 Cor. 3.11 For other Foundation can no Man lay than that which is already laid which is Christ Jesus 2 Tim. 4.3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound Doctrine but after their own Lusts shall they heap to themselves Teachers having itching ears LONDON PRINTED in the Year 1680. The Contents The INTRODUCTION WHerein is manifested that there is but one way whereby the Things appertaining to the Kingdom of God and Salvation of Mankind comes to be revealed though the Manifestation thereof may seem various Page 1. Chap. II. Touching the Light of Christ within and Exhortation to Obedience thereof Page 5. Chap. III. Touching Infallibility and Perfection Page 11. Chap. IV. Touching Wisdom and Knowledge Page 21. Chap. V. Touching Magistracy and Obedience thereunto Page 30. Chap. VI. Touching Respect of Persons plain Language disuse of the word Master unless by a Servant to his Master of Customes and Fashions of this World and of the Cross of Christ Page 33. Chap. VII Touching Swearing Page 37. Chap. VIII Touching Tithes Page 40. Chap. IX Touching Baptism Page 45. Chap. X. Touching the Supper of the Lord with his Disciples the Night before he was betrayed Page 51. Chap. XI Touching Justification and Salvation through Faith in Christ Page 61. An Appendix Containing an Answer given forth by some Friends of Bristol to a Paper Dated from Eilis Hooks his Chamber London the 12th of the 4th Month 1677. against John Story and John Wilkinson c. and subscribed by Charles Marshal of the County of Wilts and Sixty Five more together with some few Observations on part of a Reply thereto by Jasper Bat of the County of Sommerset and three others Page 72. The SECOND PART OF THE Christian-Quaker Distinguished from the APOSTATE and INNOVATOR c. CHAP I. The Introduction Wherein is manifested That there is but One Way whereby the things appertaining to the Kingdom of God and Salvation of Mankind come to be revealed though the Manifestation thereof may seem various IN the first part of the Christian-Quaker distinguish'd from the Apostate and Innovator Several Subjects are treated on relative to the Matter intended Viz. To manifest a part of those things touching which the Faithful were at Unity and by what Ways and Means that Unity came to be broken c. And now that every Reader who is desirous to be informed in these Dividing Times what those Children of Light unto whom the Lord hath revealed of the Mysteries of his Kingdom own with respect to the other Doctrines and Practices whereon little or no occasion is taken to treat in the First Part it is at this time upon us to add a farther Testimony to the Ancient Truth according as the Lord in his tender Mercy hath through the Appearance of his Son Christ by his Light or Manifestation of his Grace and Testimony of his Faithful Servants in the Scriptures of truth opened wherein our intent is not to treat largely on every Subject because the ensuing Discourse is chiefly to manifest What a remnant stand for who being faithful unto their first principle cannot in a temporizing spirit change their way The Desires and Breathings of our Souls unto God are that every Reader may be serious and unprejudiced in the perusal of this our Testimony and then we do not doubt but 't will be reaching unto the Consciences of such as that which is not inconsisting with the Testimonies given forth by Inspiration recorded in the Scriptures of Truth and spirit of God or Appearance of Christ by his Light which is that by which the Lord doth see and is seen in the Conscience wherewith every man coming into the world is lighted for that the Lord by his spirit
away from the Truth as the setting up of a graven image through the want of Knowledge was under the Law and that at this day the words of the Prophet are again fulfilling Hos 4.6 My People are destroyed for lack of Knowledge because thou hast rejected Knowledge I will also reject thee 'T is now needful to signifie the occasion on which the Apostle Paul saith that Knowledge puffeth up 1 Cor. 8.1 Now as touching things offered unto Idols we know that we have all Knowledge Knowledge puffeth up but Charity edifieth And further in the same chap. ver 10 11. If any man see thee which hast Knowledge sit at meat in the Idols Temple shall not the Conscience of him which is weak be emboldned to eat those things which are offered unto Idols and through thy knowledge shall the weak Brother perish In this Chapter the Apostle Paul was a Reproof to such as abounding in Knowledge and clearly seeing that to put a difference between Meat offered unto Idols and that which was not was but the fruit of weakness had not a regard unto the weak Consciences of their Brethren and so he tells such Knowledge puffeth up but Charity edifieth From whence we cannot conclude that Paul meant strictly according as his words may be construed no more than he intended by his saying Let your Women keep silence in the Church that none of them though Members of the Church should prophesie when moved of God whenas in a few verses before he tells the Church which consisted of Women as well as Men They might all prophesie one by one and the reason seems evident because the Knowledge which the Apostle seems to hint at was a Knowledge sprung from a growth in the Truth that the weak had not attained unto which may be taken to be signified in these words of the said Chapter VVe know that we all have knowledge howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge for some with Conscience of the Idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an Idol and their conscience being weak is defiled All which being considered the Mind of the Apostle writing those words viz. Knowledge puffeth up but Charity edifieth may be taken to be this that though they had Knowledge yet they should not have their Eye so much to that as to exercise their Liberty to the offence of any that were weak lest the Enemy to true Knowledge should interpose and puff them up so as not to condescend through Charity for the sake of a weak Brother 'T is the work of the Enemy of man's Soul to puff up but the Word of Knowledge is one of the Gifts 1 Cor. 12.7 8. which through the manifestation of the Spirit are given unto every man to profit withal and therefore I conclude that the Apostle writing unto the Philippians thus exprest himself Phil. 1.9 10. I pray that your love may abound yet more and more in Knowledge and in all Judgment that ye may approve things that are excellent that ye may be sincere and without offence From whence it may reasonably be concluded that the contrary Fruits viz. things that are contemptible and vile insincere and offensive spring through the Want of that Love which abounds in Knowledge Obj. By this discourse you seem to exalt Knowledge as an excellent thing * See an Epistle evidencing the Qualifications of such whom Satan makes use of to rend and divide the Church of Christ being contained in the first Part of the Christian-Quaker How comes it then to pass that divers amongst you called Quakers have preached reflectingly on such as are indued with knowledge above many of their Brethren as if their Religion were in their Heads and not in their hearts telling us That the Tree of Knowledge was not good for Food and not only so but have appeared in such an invective Spirit against Reason also without distinction that in your publick Meeting this imperative Expression hath been uttered Away with all Reasoning Ans 'T is very true However that doth not prove that all such Expressions are according to the Truth Peoples tongues are their own and we cannot use Violence to prevent any from delivering that which they may pretend they have to say and therefore for the clearing of the Truth in relation to the aforesaid objection we further add Pure Religion and undefiled is to visit the Fatherless and the Widows and to keep unspotted of the World wherein if our heads be not exercised our hearts will not bring forth the Fruit thereof As to to the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil though the Scriptures do not positively declare whether it was good for Food or no as in itself yet it doth clearly import that Adam's Sin in eating of the Tree of Knowledge was the Sin of Rebellion for that he was commanded not to eat thereof A Father may command his Child not to eat an Apple and yet give him leave to eat of other food fitter at that season for him if the Child should therein disobey his Father his rebellious eating would be no Argument to prove the Apple in itself not good for food These things being considered it may reasonably be concluded that there is no Ground to assert that the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was not good for Food as in itself Besides it hath been much observed that when the aforesaid doctrine hath been by some declared it hath been by way of Reflection on the Wisdom and Knowledge which some of the Publishers thereof account sensual and devilish though others have not thereby so intended but therein they have manifested their own Weakness because that which is a Discoverer of Good and Evil being in it self good as the Tree of Knowledge is cannot be a proper Comparison or Allusion to represent the thing that is devilish John the Evangelist testifies This is life eternal that they might know thee the only true God John 17.3 and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent And yet many of those who cry up Life are apt to cry down Knowledge without distinction though 't is evident that Knowledge is the way to life These things being duly considered we know not on what foot of Truth any one can assert that the Tree of Knowledge is not good for food as in itself and that it can be a proper similitude to represent any thing that is in opposition to that Knowledge which is from above But yet I would not be understood to reflect on all that have used that expression viz. The Tree of Knowledge is not good for Food because I question not but many have so exprest themselves not thereby to represent that Wisdom which is accounted Sensual and Devilish but rather to shew forth that if we should feed upon or admire any excellent Qualification or Endowment whatsoever and not have the Eye of our Mind chiefly unto the Giver we might then come to a loss even as
3.26 For the free Justification of Christ was to extend unto these who believed in him And in that State the Works of the Law were excluded so that there was no room for any to boast therein But then the Manner of that Exclusion so that no man should boast was by the Law of Faith Rom. 3.27 Now where a Law is it must necessarily follow that Obedience is due and whenso ever that Debt ceaseth the Law then becometh void But who so Impious to declare a Principle so Unrighteous as hath a tendency to make this Law of Faith void Charity obligeth us to suppose that no Christian-professor would wittingly thus do But yet we cannot but say that so great Darkness hath seemed to over-shadow some as that under the Notion of Christ's Righteousness imputed to Sinners 't is to be feared that many have indulged such a Liberty as little to regard the Counsel of the postle when he said Work out your Salvation with Fear and Trembling as if Salvation were to be obtained by an Historical Faith excluding all sorts of Works as unnecessary thereto and that a little Religion in the Head might stead a man more than a great deal in the Heart for where an Application of Christ's Righteousness is made by any person whatsoever in order to the Healing of that Wound which through the Temptations of the grand Enemy of the Soul man hath received if there be not according to the counsel of the Apostle Paul 2 Cor. 7.10 A Sorrow unto Repentance never to be repented of there 't is undoubtedly falsly applyed the aforesaid Sorrow cannot rightly attend the Creature in his lost estate and condition but First Through a sense of the prevalency of Satan by his Temptation Secondly Through bearing the Righteous Condemnation of the Lord upon the Transgressing nature that so through Judgment the Mercy of the Lord may be Witnessed and then when the Creature comes to be made Partaker of the Mercy of the Lord through a sense of his Failing a real Sorrow for the same and bearing in Patience the Righteous Condemnation of God than the Burthen of Sin may be removed and the Creature witness a State of Restoration These things lead us to consider How it comes to pass that people professing Christianity and owning the Scriptures of Truth and agreeing in Principles termed Fundamental whilst they keep to the Language thereof should thus Disagree To this we say That to the enlightned Eye 't is plain especially in the Matters whereof we are now treating and that it may be so to others we desire that the following Notations may be considered First The Apostle Peter tells us That no Prophecy of the Scripture is of any private Interpretation 2 Pet. 1.20 21. that is it ought not to be interpreted but by the Holy Ghost through whose Motion it was given forth and yet so great is the Curiosity of Men that they will be concerning themselves to put Meanings on the Scriptures of Truth though the words themselves will not warrant the same nor the Interpreters in truth Affirm That such their Meanings are through the Revelation of the Spirit Secondly There is a Proneness in Man to avoid the Cross of Christ and instead of Entering in at a narrow Gate to make their Passage into the Kingdom of Heaven as broad as their sensual Wisdom will admit Thirdly Though the Language of the Apostle Paul and the Apostle James be in substance one yet the Manner of Expressing themselves seems Contradictory to such whom the Lord hath not endued with the Knowledge of the Mysteries of his Kingdom and such a spirit of discerning as to see the Occasions on which they Writ The occasion of these differing Apprehensions being thus Discovered 't is now needful to sum up the whole matter and from thence to take occasion to remove so far as in us lies the Misunderstanding of the Words of the aforesaid Apostles and in order thereto we thus say This Discourse touching Justification and Salvation may be Reduced to this First That some professing Christianity are at least doubtful that others under the like Profession pretend to a State of Justification and Salvation through the Imputation of Chri'sts Righteousness whil'st they are continuing in their Sins and not only so but that No Works wrought in us though by the Spirit of Christ it self are of any Advantage to the Arriving unto the State of Justification and Salvation Secondly That others under the same Profession of Christianity are Jealous That the Principles which some hold forth have a tendency to Introduce a Righteousness of our own as Meritorious to Eternal Salvation which occasions us to Refer the Reader to a part of an Objection raised in the Third Chapter of this Treatise pages 15. and 16. and to the Answer thereto pages 16 17 18 19 20. for that we account it a very proper Conclusion to this Chapter in Order to the further clearing of the Truth and dividing the Word aright though written on another Occasion That part of the Objection aforesaid signified of to be proper on this Occasion is as followeth Though the Appostle Testifies That the Blood of Christ Cleanseth from all Sin yet this hath been Interpreted to be only from the Guilt and not from the Act of all Sin so as to cease there-from whilst on this side the Grave which doubtless was the Reason wherefore we sind these Testimonies Recorded in the Holy Scriptures Eph. 2.8 9. By Grace ye are saved through Faith and that not of your selves it is the Gift of God not of Works lest any Man should boast thereby Implying as if Salvation through Faith might be Obtained though Good Works were wanting And so consequently Sin committed instead thereof since 't is irrational to conclude that whil'st Man is in the Body he can cease from working both Good and Evil In many things we offend all If we say James 3.2 John 1.8 we have no Sin we deceive our selves and the Truth is not in us To conclude this Chapter as we have already referred the Reader to view over the Answer contained in pages 16 17 18 19 20. to the above cited Part of an Objection so we now intreat him so to do and if it may be instrumental to open the Understandings of any so as rightly to distinguish Truth from Errour we then shall therein have our End AN Appendix manifesting some Fruits of Apostacy or Innovation FOrasmuch as the Title Page of this Second Part may beget in the Reader an Expectation of some further Discovery of Apostacy and Innovation since in this Part hitherto little thereof hath been Manifested We therefore thought meet to Add the Substance of an Answer given by some Friends of Bristol to the Paper mentioned in other Parts of the Christian Quaker to be given forth by sixty six Persons that is to say by Charles Marshal and sixty five more from Ellis Hookes's Chamber in London the Twelfth of the
He never advised to the Erecting the same The Sixty Six Subscribers in their Paper are found Accusing John Wilkinson and John Story to this Effect viz. That they have Evil Designs and persevere in them by Word Writing and Practice That they despise Heavenly Dignities That they set up continue and promote False and Pernicious Iealousies Murmurings and Secret Smitings and that thereby they are Darkned in their Vnderfrandings That through the Power of the Enemy of the King of Righteousness His Peace they set up a kind of Standard of Separation from that blessed Fellowship and Communion that the Churches of Christ sweetly possest together to the Dishonour of God His Truth and People That they go on in Opposition Evil Smiting against the Faithful Brethren and Practice of the Church of Christ That the offering of their Gifts is not a Peace but a Division-Offering That they are Obstinate and Obdurate and gone into Self-wil That they cast Tender Love behind their Backs Amongst the said Sixty Six Subscribers we Read the Names of four Persons Inhabiting the City of Bristol by which they became Accusers since John Story and John Wilkinson were not before them at any time as Judges in their Cause and so having been Persons who at some times have Assembled with us in the aforesaid Meetings held for Relief of the Poor c. within the said City of Bristol where John Story and John Wilkinson have often published the Gospel of Christ for above twenty Years to our knowledge they have been desired to appoint a Meeting to make forth their Accusations to Iohn Story 's Face that so if the Accused be Guilty it may be sufficient Proof of Matter of Fact be manifest to us who in that Case shall then account it our Duty To Disown the Accused also But if they cannot prove Matter of Fact to render them so Guilty we may then justly expect the said Persons to own the Wrong they have done them by their False Accusation and give Satisfaction for the same But they will not as yet Admit a Meeting for that end before such Friends of Truth whereof one half may be Chosen by Vs and others Dissatisfied though they have liberty to Choose the other half themselves Neither will they as yet Admit a Hearing before any Meeting wherein the Witnesses to these Accusations shall be Excluded from being Iudges with other Friends And so what Issue this Matter may Admit amongst us is at present uncertain and whether this be Christian-like We Appeal to Gods Witness in all Consciences We Observe that in the said Paper the Subscribers Exhort Friends To be Zealous for the Lord and to stand up in his Spirit and Power for the Peace of his Church which Exhortation in it self is sound and wholesome But we are very Jealous that the said Paper hath notwithstanding given Life to a Contentious Spirit For on the Fifteenth Instant being the first Day of the Week John Story came to our Meeting and almost immediately after he had sate down there was one stood up who as we can prove declared Unity with the said Paper given forth against John Wilkinson and John Story and testified to this Effect The Trumpet of the Lord is sounded to Battle and the War is begun and so Exhorted on this Wise Come up to Battle and help the Lord against the Mighty using also these Scripture Words Curse ye Meroz And in the afternoon of the same day in our publick Assembly Francis Lea whilst John Story was declaring the Word of Truth stood up and thus began If any thing he Revealed to another that sitteth by let the First hold his Peace which was a clear Demonstration of his Hypocrisy for that 't is publickly known he Judges John Story out of Unity with the Church and so 't was altogether wrong in Fr. Lea to introduce his Discourse by a Scripture which if proper to be spoken in Order to the silencing of one declaring yet it ought to have been with Respect to one in Unity with the Church But as we said he ownes not John Story so to be and so it may reasonably be concluded that his Hipocrisy was not only thereby made Manifest but also his Discourse being Considered that he had no Revelation to Declare from God on that Occasion to the People But yet John Story observing how he introduced his Discourse not as an open Opposer of his VVords did for the People's sakes and that he might Administer no occasion of Discord give way and in a few words after drew to a Conclusion but Francis Lea's Discourse was such both Morning and Afternoon as gave occasion both to Professors and Prophane publickly to Manifest that we are now Divided Now whether this be a standing up in the Power and Spirit of God for the Peace of the Church of Christ or a Peace-Offering Let those who are Wise in Heart Judge But that which further Manifested Francis Lea's Rudeness is this After Francis Lea in the Morning-Meeting had ended his Declaration wherein he laid down seeming contradictory Assertions viz. That Two Hundred and Fifty Princes and Renowned Men in Israel were Revels and wicked Men and yet also said to this Effect as if they were Blameless and Harmless VVilliam Rogers stood up and took up his Words and spoke thereon in the Words of Truth and Sound Doctrine that so the People might not go away with a Misunderstanding and not as an Opposer of any Truth that Day Delivered nor yet as an Opposer of Francis Lea further than Francis Lea's own words Opposed himself And yet after VVilliam Rogers had ended Francis Lea in a Rude manner poured out Iudgments against VVilliam Rogers calling him Rebel and using that very Language as was used to Elimas the Sorcerer and this is become a Common talk amongst Professors and Prophane in Country as well as City which we and many Friends more do Account the Fruit of great Malice and Un-Christian-like Dealing for we know not any thing wherein VVilliam Rogers hath forfeited his Reputation as a Man or a Christian These things Considered and that also it is not made Appear to our Consciences that John Story and John VVilkinson are guilty of such Crimes and Offences as are laid to their Charge which if they were we also should disown them we dare not as we said before own the said judgment to be Righteous nor yet deny the said John VVilkinson and John Story lest we sin against God and despise those unto whom a Dispensation of the Gospel of Christ is committed And now our Counsel to the sixty six Subscribers is that they mind the Peace of the Churches of Christ by Calling in their Paper for we are well satisfyed that their Paper is not given forth from the Motion of Gods Spirit and if any of the sixty six Subscribers as men leaning upon others have asserted in the Name of the Lord when the Lord hath not spoken by them and that to Defame the
in Isa 9.6 't is thus said And the Government shall be upon his shoulders and his Name shall be called wonderful Councellor c. Secondly Because 't is wholly repugnant to the Light of Christ in our Consciences that the weight of a Government that is Spiritual and Everlasting the Laws whereof are written in the Heart and wherein nothing but true Judgment and Justice hath been is and shall be executed for evermore should rest upon any Man or Men as a Governour or Governours over others since there is no Man nor Men but are subject through Temptation to Err if they watch not and therefore we may well say much less on any such one man though termed by some the great Apostle of Christ whose Actions towards his Brethren have been found injurious to them undeservedly and reproachful to the Truth nor yet upon any such Assemblies as the usual General Meeting so termed though improperly of the People called Quakers is because the Meeters have usually consisted of Uncertain Numbers of Uncertain Qualifyed Persons that take upon them so to assemble whilest others beholding the Ill Consequences of their Meeting conscientiously forbear to joyn with them Thirdly Because it is evident that the Disciples of Christ had their Eye so much on his outward and bodily appearance as that Christ their Lord and Master saw it meet to tell them in these words Joh. 16.7 It is expedient for you that I go away and when he so said he did not then tell them nor yet at any time before or after I will commissionate some Man or Assembly of Men in my Stead that so you may have your Eye unto and expect Written Orders from him or them to walk by and to lead you into all Truth but John gives them a Reason for his so saying in these words Joh. 16.7 For if I go not away the Comforter will not come but if I depart I will send him unto you meaning the Spirit of Truth which as he promised should abide with them for ever and should be in them which undoubtedly was in order to the Exaltation of his Government in the Heart and that they might have their whole Dependency on the Spirit of Truth which as before is signifyed Christ promised should abide with them forever And so this may truly be termed that Everlasting Unerring Unchangable Governour unto which the Subjects of Christ's Kingdom owe Obedience And why so but because under it the Promise of Christ was That they should be guided into all Truth according as is plainly signifyed from these following words spoken by Christ himself Joh. 16.13 I have yet many things to say unto you but you cannot bear them now Howbeit when the Spirit of Truth is come he will guide you into all Truth for he shall not speak of himself But whatsoever he shall hear that shall he speak Here is no room left for the Church of Christ to contend about Forms of Government or who shall be Governours under Christ's Government for if the Spirit that is in us and that is to remain with us forever shall guide us into all Truth then our Dependency ought to be thereon that so thereby we may be led into all Truth or else we cannot manifest our selves to be obedient Subjects unto Christ under his Government that he is exalting in the Hearts of the Sons and Daughters of Men. The consideration of these things leads us to give this Testimony That there is no ground either from the Scriptures of Truth without us or Light of Christ within us to believe that any Christian Professour can in Truth affirm That there are Outward Prescriptions and Orders given forth by the Spirit of God through any one or more Mortal Men in this our Day which others ought to obey and follow of which more anon in answer to R. B's Book of Government whether they see it their Duty or no and if they do not may therefore come under the Curse and partake of the same Judgments from God which happened to Corah Dathan and Abiram for their Rebellion against Moses and though the sin of Corah c. hath frequently in our Publick Meetings for Worship been spoken of and intended as we have taken it to be as a proper Citation to describe the state of such as on a Conscientious score cannot submit unto the outward Orders of one man yet we testify that such sort of insinuating and thretning language seems much more agreeable to the first Covenant then the second under which we are and when countenanced or spoken by any expecting such a submission it then seems to savour of a spirit that speaketh of himself and not what he hath heard from the great Lord and Master Jesus Christ and so consequently from another spirit than that which Christ promised he would send for Christ's own words signify He shall not speak of himself Moreover t is evident that Corah and his Company rebelled against Moses who was King in Jesuran and a Leader of Israel and thorough whom the Lord gave forth his Law to the People but we know that none can according to truth at this Day pretend that any other Governour is raised up amongst the Children of Light to be like unto Moses whom we ought to hear in all things save Christ Jesus who by his Spirit manifested in every Subject of his Kingdom is thereby become their Lawgiver and whilest they are obedient thereunto they may in truth be reckoned to be of the number of those that are in Christ Jesus because they may then truly be termed such as walk not after the flesh but the spirit and to such according to the Apostles Doctrine there is no Condemnation Objection This Discourse touching Government may occasion some to raise this Objection We understand that many called Quakers do hold Monthly and Quarterly-Meetings of Men and also of Women distinct from Men about their Church Affairs and that these Meetings are reputed to be Established on certain dayes that ought not to be altered by one man amongst them that hath pretended he was moved of God so to do and that the same person hath by his Paper spread abroad in divers parts of the Nation signified that none but loose spirits and such as tend to looseness pretend to set up a better way or to alter them to another day for fear of Corruption in Observing a Day and that it is but from a corrupt spirit of darkness which God will blast and that some call these Meetings the Government of Christ set up amongst them and establish't by the power of God to take care of the Churches affairs and that true Judgment and Justice which are the fruits of Christ's Government may be executed To this we answer we confesse there have been and yet may be such Meetings but if any think they have been or are establish't by any one man or that therein the Government of Christ is set up any otherwise than as any
Member or Members of the Church may be Witnesses thereof in their Own Hearts we are sorry for such weakness However it gives us occasion to add this Testimony That if we consult the Scriptures of Truth and Light of Christ we have no Ground to believe that under the dispensation of the second Covenant God hath or ever will move by his Spirit in any Mortal Man or Men to take upon him or them so to appoint certain dayes for others to meet upon to manage the outward Affairs of a Christian Society as that if any of that Society assent not thereto or endeavour to alter them to another day then such may be Justly censured as men of loose Spirits or led by a corrupt Spirit of Darkness for every Member of such a Society ought first to be fully perswaded in their own minds in all things relating to Faith or Discipline and not to be Judging one another about any thing wherein they may differ when the matter it self springs from a Conscientious Scruple and not Obstinacy contrary to Knowledge for from the Holy Scriptures we learn that that which is not of faith is sin and that there was the Day of Ignorance accompanyed some at which the Lord Winked And yet to our Greif we may say that such a Day of gloominess and thick Darkness hath overtaken some amongst the People called Quakers who appear zealous for some Outward Forms of Discipline which they as we take it foollishly imagin are establish't as by a Decree from Heaven that they seem to make void the Law of Charity and humane Society and as if their Religion were most Effectually demonstrated by appearing in such a kind of Spirit that Christ reproved in his Disciples when they asked him on this wise Wilt thou that we Command Fire to come down from Heaven and consume them meaning the Samaritans that did not receive Christ because his Face was as though he would go to Jerusalem To return again we farther say That whoever hath given Occasion for such an Objection to be raised as aforesaid 't is to be doubted it sprange from one that aspires to give Rules to others whilest he will not be subject to the same himself for if it were not so it s very probable we might have escaped the severe judgment of being guilty of Corahs sin and that only because we have endeavoured to convince some that that * Namely G. F. one Person intended in the Objection See the fourth and fifth Parts of the Christian-Quaker hath acted contrary to the outward Rules and Orders that he himself hath prescribed for others to walk by As to the word Establish't we further add That the word as used in the Objection is disowned by us for though the Children of God may be Instruments in the hand of the Lord to establish one another in the Faith of God's Elect yet 't is not in their power or of any one of them positively and without exception to establish what ought to be believed and practiced whether it respect Doctrine or Discipline and if any one or more have atempted so to do it may Justly be said of such that he or they have endeavoured to invade Christ's Prerogative Besides we observe That the Objection is made with respect to one man which to us seems as if in the Objectors sense that one man amongst the People called Quakers had Power given him of God to establish an Outward Form wherein all God's People ought to walk or else severely to be censured for Rebellion whether they see it their Christian Duty or not but this we deny as that which may Justly be termed an Abomination either so to endeavour or so to submit Secondly If we enquire what is establish't we know if any Answer be given to what by the Question we intend it will be on this wise Certain Meetings to be held by the People called Quakers or at least some of them on certain prefixt dayes But if we ask Who are the Meeters that are to make up the establish't Meetings none can give such a certain Discription as that the Meeters may be certainly known and therefore the use of the word Establish't applicable to outward Societies of People so uncertain to be known or outwardly describable seems to us vain and ridiculous By this discourse the Reader may gather that we are remote from owning those Meetings mentioned in the last Objection to be establish'd as a part of Christ's Government and as to their having any share as a Church in Church Government 't will be time enough for us to answer when any shall pretend that they have manifested that those uncertain qualifyed Persons usually Assembled in such Meetings were then Members of the Church of Christ and that as Members thereof they had right to stile themselves Church-Governours However we think it needful to signify That the chief Ends as we understood wherefore the said Meetings were assented to by many Friends were to relieve the Poor and to perform other necessary Services relating to the Truth and Friends concerned therein in which we thought our selves and doubtless all the Faithful with us Servants one unto another and not Masters Governours or Rulers over one another for that did not so much as enter into our Hearts But when we perceived that some Upstarts that to us seemed to love Preheminence as Diotrephes did lookt upon themselves as Somebody from their appearing and being encouraged to appear Members in such Meetings and to lay a stress on the prefixt Dayes for Meeting affirming that they were Established by the Power of God that Friends who were Heirs of the Power might come and take their Possessions therein a sort of Language not well understood by such as are Indued with Wisdom from above then many Friends began to startle thereat fearing that some through Weakness and Blind Zeal would Idolize the same and run into an indispensable Form and endeavour to bite and devour one another about Outward Things and so at length some Friends in Truth moved to alter the Days of Meeting in some places but others not assenting thereto Contention arose and a Fire hath been kindled about Church-Government at so high a rate as that Publick Meeting Places for the Worship of God have sometimes become meer Stages of Contention and other times the keeping on of Hats in Prayer by some whilest others have been uncovered hath become as an Ensign of divisions the knowledge whereof being no longer to be hid hath more vigorously occasioned the bringing forth of our Treatise Intituled the Christian-Quaker distinguished from the Apostate and Innovator in five Parts whereof this Treatise touching Government is one that so all may now know that Darkness is not so overshadowed but that the Lord hath preserved a Remnant amongst the People called Quakers that cannot bow their Knee to any Image or Image-Maker nor yet to acknowledge that Salvation is attainable through Faith in any other Name than
fellowship with the Children of Light are not inconsistant with that form that the Power of God may lead into For I am a Witness for many years past even to this day that such Meetings have been serviceable to answer those Righteous Ends. But if the Members of any such Meetings shall by their Practices therein not only assume as some there are who to my Knowledge have too manifestly so done but continue to assume another place in the Body than that wherein God hath placed them or shall endeavour so to establish Outward Indispensible Rules and Orders therein relating to Conscience as that such of the Brethren who submit not thereunto shall be accounted not of the Body though they see it not their Duty it may be Just with the Lord as a token of his Indignation and Displeasure to withdraw his refreshing Presence from such Assemblies and then their Meetings may become as useless as a Body without a Spirit is But yet Robert Barclay undertakes to describe the Order of the Government and how far it extends and also testifies the Antient Apostolick Order of the Church of Christ is Re-establisht amongst the People of the Lord called Quakers Notwithstanding which his saying I Affirm they are in the Practice of many things with respect to Church-discipline wherein the Scriptures treating of those things given forth by Christ and his Apostles are silent and are not found in the Practice of some other things which were either practised exhorted to or commanded by the Apostle Secondly I Affirm that as Christ's Kingdom is not of this World so the Members of Christ's Church have not Power in Cases of Difference arising amongst themselves touching outward things to assume Jurisdiction over the Properties and Worldly Concerns each of other when not chosen for that Service by the Consent of the Members Differing and yet I do say 't is the duty of fellow-members that are at variance to refer by mutual choice their Cause unto other Brethren But Yet R. B. saith As a People gathered together by the Lord unto the same Faith c. that we have Power and Authority to decide and remove these things Thirdly I Affirm That nothing can become a Right and Christian Bond upon Believers to be Exercised in any practical duty relating to the things of God and Matters of Conscience until convinced by the Witness of God in their Consciences of the service thereof Fourthly That the Belief of Certain Principles and Doctines though believed through the force of Truth on the understanding and Practices depending thereon are not the very Bond by which the People of the Lord called Quakers are become centered into the Fellowship of Christ's Body nor yet the Cause that gather'd them but the Spirit is the Bond and in the best sense such Principles c. are but the Fruit of the Bond and the Cause that gathered them was Gods Love That the Sentence and Judgment of any man or men whatsoever relating to Matters of Conscience ought not at this day to be given forth but by way of Recomendation to every mans conscience in the Sight of God and that when the Conscience is sensible that Gods Witness therein doth Answer thereto then the Conscience is bound and not before But Yet R. B. tells us That Principles and Doctrines believed thorough the Force of Truth on the Understanding and Practices necessarily depending thereon are the Terms that have drawn us together and the very Bond by which we became centered into one Body and Fellowship or are linked to the Body and the Cause that gathered us as in his Treatise Page 48 49 may appear And whether in R. B's Sense the Centure of a part of Christ's Body ought not to become a Bond on all the Members and that in Cases of Conscience too I refer the Reader to peruse his sixth Section Fiftly I Affirm That the Qualification of a Member of Christ's Body is Sanctification through the Spirit that where any number of such are assembled together in Christ's name though but of the lesser Rank in the Body there is the Church of Christ that before such an Assembly Cases of Differences may be brought which may be besides the Gift or Capacity of such to determin and Judge and therefore infallible Judgment which is unalterably seated in the Spirit in some cases may be wanting to appear through any one Member in such Assemblies as properly may be called the Church of Christ But yet R. B. saith in his Treatise Page 68. That there never will nor can be wanting in Case of Controversy the Spirit of God to give Judgment thorow some or other in the Church of Christ so long as any Assembly can properly or in any tollerable supposition be so termed Sixthly Since 't is commonly reputed that none but Papists pretend Tradition to Justify their Actions wherein the Scripture is silent and that we have no President in the Scriptures that the Apostles and Elders under the Notion of the Church of Christ did take upon them to determin Controversies arising amongst the Apostles and Elders in the Church of Christ touching Cases of Conscience without the assent of the Differing Parties who especially if Equals and once at Unity and their Cases Matters of Conscience arising from occasional differing Sense and Judgment have by the Law of Divine Nature Equal Right to nominate a part of those who shall have the hearing of such Cases Therefore I affirm if any shall without the assent of such Partyes differing take upon them to be a bond that the differing Partyes must subject such their Case to their dicisive sentence and accordingly submit and be subject though they are not clear in Conscience so to do such do Justly subject themselves to the censure of being Imposers and Usurpers Seventhly That submission to the positive sentences of others touching matters of conscience though supposing themselves the Church of Christ before the conscience is convinc'd by God's Witness therein is an abuse to the Profession of Truth an antient mark of Apostacy and an infallible token that such who so submit have no inward sense that they are led thereunto by the Spirit of the Lord but notwithstanding these two last particulars are evidently true yet whosoever reads what R. B. hath asserted in Page 68. may find that according to his Lines and Assertions this short ensuing sentence may be collected without the least abuse of his words viz. That any ones not submitting to the positive Judgment touching Controversy given by any Assembly or at least by some or other of them which may in any tollerable supposition be termed the Church of Christ is disobedience to God though the persons refusing pretend they refuse on the account they see it not The Innovations and Scripture-Misapplications of R. B. Detected I Shall begin with the Title Page wherein R. B. thus saith So is also the Antient Apostolick Order of the Church of Christ Re-established and settled on its right
Basis and Foundation To which I thus say This kind of Language with respect to divers Practices in Discipline amongst the People called Quakers or any outward Form and Order which is or hath been by any called the Order of the Gospel I do not understand to be rightly applicable to those amongst the said People who have retained their first Love to and Savour of the Truth and right Understanding of the Principle thereof not that I would hereby be understood that it s not necessary to be in the Exercise of Outward Order with respect to that Gospel-discipline which becomes the Church of Christ but that which I understand not to be rightly applicable unto them is manifested in what follows Though the principle of Truth in these latter dayes hath and may further lead into the Practice of Outward Order in Discipline with relation to the Church of Christ yet I affirm that part of that Outward Order in Discipline wherein divers of the People of the Lord called Quakers have been acted is such as that there is not the least Footsteps thereof to be found in the Scriptures as exhorted to or as practised by the Apostles I could give many Instances hereof but one shall suffice viz. The Form of Proceedings in Marriages wherein the Scriptures are wholly silent as to the Primitive Christians and tho the Papists pretend to Tradition yet the People of the Lord called Quakers do not Besides 't is evident by the Scriptures of Truth that the Apostles were found in the Practice of that which the People called Quakers do not only out of Conscience to God forbear but have had many Contests with others touching the same as esteeming it though permitted for a season by reason of the Weakness of the People amongst the number of those Outward Ordinances out of which the Lord hath at this day gathered his People witness Water-Baptism The word Order with respect to Outward Government Establish't by the Church of Christ over it self I remember not in the Scriptures of Truth yet much of late is spoken of the Order of the Gospel and of establishing the same and that with respect to Outward Prescriptions and Orders practised or endeavoured to be introduced amongst the People of the Lord called Quakers and in perticular R. B. Page 40. speaks of the Truth and Faith we have been and are in the Lords Hands building up To which I say The Consideration that Christ is the Truth and the great Power of God and that an Establishing in the Faith cannot Properly be termed A building up of Faith gives me occasion to treat a little touching the words establish and build up We know from the testimony of truth in our selves as well as from the Scriptures of Truth without us that we may be Instruments in the hands of the Lord to build up one another in the most Holy Faith in Christ the Truth the Power of God but 't is neither agreeable to the Testimony of Truth in us nor yet the Scriptures of Truth without us for any to account themselves of Ability to establish God's Power for its that by which the World was made Now the Order of the Gospel is the Power of God and nothing else according to the declared sence of our ancient Friends can properly be called the Order of the Gospel but the Power of God for though some outward Form or appearance may be according to the Order of the Gospel yet it can no more properly be called the very Order of the Gospel than the Fruit of a Tree can be called the Tree it self and therefore those who pretend to establish the Order of the Gospel may as well pretend to establish the Power of God it self 'T is true this Power is of Ability to establish Man in the Faith of God's Elect but Man is not of Ability to establish it those who understand the Nature and Tenours of the two Covenants may easily discern the Truth hereof Under the First Covenant which was outward the mind of God was manifested to the People from the Priests Lips which were to preserve Knowledge and this Covenant did consist in divers Outward Ordinances c. establisht and impos'd upon the People until the Time of Reformation Under the Second Covenant being the New Covenant or Gospel dispensation the Mind and Will of God is manifested in his People through the Revelation of his Spirit according to that of Paul Rom. 1.19 That which may be known of God is manifested in them Christ also said John 14.26 The Comforter which is the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in my name he shall teach you all things The Law under this covenant is written in the heart Heb. 8.10 11. I will write my Law in their Hearts they shall not teach every man his neighbour and every man his brother saying Know the Lord for all shall Know me c. Here 's not the least ground of encouragement for any man under the New Covenant which was not to be like unto the Old to pretend that Gods Spirit doth or will lead any to establish Outward Orders relating to matters of Conscience as the Order of the Gospel for if that which is to be known of God is manifested in us then though it may be needfull to stir up according as the Lord shall move in his servants the pure Mind in us that so we may be in the Exercise of what God requires through the maifestation of himself in us there is no need to establish any thing without us to shew it If the Spirit of Truth is to lead into all truth those who would be leading us in another way will prove little better then Thieves and Robbers which Climb up another way to enter in than by the door If the Law be written in the heart and that no Obedience finds Acceptance with the Lord but Obedience to his Law from an inward Impulse and Drawing of his Spirit thereunto in our selves there 's no need of establishing Outward Indispensible Rules which may relate to the Conscience to walk by for were it possible so to do and any should yield Obedience on no better ground then because'tis so establish't by such a Man or Assembly of Men this sort of Obedience would find no more acceptance with the Lord than the offering of Swines flesh or the Halt and Blind for a Sacrifice under the First Covenant did For though many may be so Weak as not to know the difference between the two Covenants in some respects yet there are Few of the Lord's People called Quakers but have this undoubted Truth sealed in their hearts That none of their Outward Practices under the Exercise of Christ's Government find's acceptance with the Lord but as they have an Evidence in their Consciences that therein they Answer the measure of Truth in themselves Paul writing to the Colossians thus saith As ye have received Christ Jesus the Lord so walk in him Rooted and built up
in him stablished in the Faith Col. 2.6 7. And then the very next verse saith Beware lest any man spoyl you through the Traditions of men according to the Rudimnets of the World and not after Christ If the following outward Decrees Precepts Sentences Decisive Judgment or Traditions of any sort of the Church had been in Pauls ' Eye a real and certain Indication of being Establish't in the Faith or rooted in Christ or that 't was the Practice of the Church to be Establishing Outward Indispensible Orders relating to the Consciences of Believers I leave it to the Judicious Reader to savour whether Paul would have so immediately and as it were in one breath caution'd them to beware of being spoyled through the Traditions of Men c. without a further Caution to take heed lest they should account the Commands Sentences Decrees or Traditions of the Church such These things considered and compared with the Measure of Light in our selves I am satisfyed 't is not agreeable to Truth for any Man or Assembly of Men to atempt an Outward Indispensible Establishment of Outward Orders Rules and Decrees relating to Matters of Consciences under the New Covenant as the Orders Rules and Decrees of the Church of Christ Moreover if Christ did stand in need of Assistance to Establish his Government how is it possible that Man whose dayes are but as a span long should be capable to Establish that Government of whose increase there shall be no end but so it is that he doth not stand in need thereof For the Son that is given shall Order his Government and Establish it with Judgment and with Justice even from henceforth and forever read Isa 9.6 7. Besides if we do but consider where and after what manner the second appearance of Christ hath been and yet is to be expected and waited for those who know the Truth as preach't received and believed amongst the People of the Lord called Quakers in the Beginning do know That his Second Appearance hath been and yet is to be expected and waited for in the hearts of the Sons and Daughters of Men and the manner of his appearance hath been and is by his Spirit in us this hath often been testifyed and that in opposition to those who have been looking for his Second Coming in some Outward Bodily Appearance to reign as Lord and King I now appeal to Gods Witness in all Consciences Whether the Outward Establishment of Outward Government under the notion of Christ's Government doth not seem to square more with the Principles of such who look for his Second Coming in some Outward Bodily Appearance than with the Principles of those who conclude his Second Coming to be by his Spiritual Appearance in the heart and whether it be not inconsistent with Right Reason and Truth to conclude that Christ Jesus the Lord will Establish his Government otherwise than by his Spirit and in the heart where his Appearance hath been and is to be expected and waited for And since it is undoubtedly so that of the increase of Christ's Government there shall be no End I cannot understand to what End any Man should concern himself to consider how far it may extend yet R.B. hath so done Witness his 37 Page where he thus saith It is next to be considered in what Cases and how far it may extend To which I cannot but thus reply Those who are not Puft up with Spiritual Pride or Zeal without Knowledge may easily discern from such kind of language a Spirit that would Limit the Holy One of Israel by putting Bounds unto that Government of whose increase there shall be no end and though I speak of Man's inability to Establish Christ's Government yet I would not be understood as one accusing the aforesaid Author or any else to assert Man's Ability so to do For I know not any Men that will pretend themselves in that Case other than Instruments in God's Hands But yet this is to be Observed that since there is no Ground to believe that God everwill make use of Man under the New Covenant to Establish outward indespensible Orders Rules or Decrees to be as a measuring-line whereby those who are under Christ's Government shall be known therefore 't is reasonable to conclude That the endeavours of such who may exercise themselves therein may proceed from no better Power than that Ability which is of Man And notwithstanding he hath considered how far it extends yet I find not that he hath made any mention of the Business or at least a part of the business of one considerable Meeting which is a part of that Government or Order which he pretends to discribe and that is a Meeting held every second day of the week wherein writings treating of Divine Matters and which are intended by the authors for publick view are first viewed in Order to an approbation or the contrary * Witness the Paper at the latter end of this third part signed by Charles Marshal and thirty six more at which meeting his Treatise was past which gives occasion to treat a little of that Meeting since those of that Meeting are as well concerned in the said Treatises as he that writ it The Scriptures of Truth as far as I Remember are wholly silent as to any such Service acted in any Meetings amongst the primitive Christians and therefore I do not understand that there can be any real Ground or tolerable pretence that this is a part of the antient Apostolick Order of the Church of Christ We find the Apostle Acts 3. directed to chuse seven men full of the Holy Ghost to take Care that the Widdows should not be neglected in the dayly Ministration If the Holy Ghost in the Apostles days directed to chuse a certain select well qualifyed Number of men for such a Service as doubtless it did it s against right reason to suppose that the Apostles would in their day have left the consideration of such weighty matters as Treatises of things relating to the Kingdom of God and the salvation of mankind to the Approbation of an uncertain unselected Assembly for such I call that Meeting wherein many of the Writings of the People of the Lord called Quakers intended for publick View are approved or disapproved for that no Certain Select Number of Persons are chosen for that service but any Persons who have Publick Testimones for the Truth though but by way of Exhortation and are owned as Friends of Truth and come where that Meeting is appointed are the Persons by whom such Writings whether given forth by a Paul a Father or a Timothy a Son as are for publick service are approved or disapproved I now appeal to the impartial understanding Reader whether according to this form of Government one that is in the place of Paul a Father who according to the aforesaid Author hath right to rule over and command may not have the testimony which he hath through the motion
of Gods Spirit to publish unto the World for God be over-ruled by Timothy a Son when according to the aforesaid Author he ought to be ruled by Paul the Father nay perhaps by one that is of much lesser rank in the Body if so be he hath a word of Exhortation on the behalf of Gods Truth is usually exercised therein in publick But suppose no such Obstruction hath or may appear yet I query Whether it looks like a part of Christ's Government for Timothy the Son to be admitted as a Judge over the Writings of Paul who as a Father begot him unto the Truth Paul 1 Cor. 12. Treats of the diversities of Gifts by one and the same Spirit mentioning several of them viz. The Word of Wisdom the Word of Knowledge Faith Gifts of Healing Working of Miracles Prophesy Discerning of Spirits divers kinds of Tongues Interpretation of Tongues and then at length saith God hath set some in the Church First Apostles secondarily Prophets thirdly teachers and after that Miracles c. and then saith are all Prophets are all Apostles are all Teachers c. And again Rom 14.6 7 8. He thus saith having then gifts differing according to the Grace that 's given to us whether Prophesy let us Prophesy according to the Proportion of Faith or ministry let us wait on our Ministry or he that teacheth on teaching or he that exhorteth on Exhortation From all which 't is evident that God hath given diversities of Gifts and that those Members who may be skilful through the Grace of God to Exercise one Gift may be unskillfull to exercise another and so every own ought to wait on their own Gift that therein they may be exercised and that also not beyond but according to the Proportion of Faith for doubtless the Apostle was sensible there was a proneness in some to run beyond their Gift and therefore he saith according to the Proportion of Faith Now should any number of Persons amongst whom there should be only such whose Gifts are either to Prophesy Teach or Exhort but not to discern Spirits sit together and take upon them to consider whether that which is given forth for publick Service by any Brother seriously declaring that God moved thereunto ought to come to publick View and be found hindring the coming forth of the same when nothing unsound appears they would therein make a Breach on that Christian-Liberty which ought to be preserved inviolable in the Church of God Nay if peradventure there should be some amongst them whose Gifts are to discern Spirits and so accordingly gives their approabation or disapprobation it becomes not others not gifted therein to concern themselves because their Duty is if Paul's Counsel be good to wait on their own Gift and though such may declare they have Unity therewith in the Life Yet that may be only the Fruit of their Lips or of a hasty Spirit that may have Zeal without Knowledge when the Matter wherewith they declare themselves at Unity is without the Compass of their Gift Knowledge or Capacity to Judge of But yet I would not be understood that it is unnecessary for the Members of the Church of Christ to take care that nothing Scandalous to the Truth come forth in Publick under the name of any who make profession thereof and were it so that I had ought upon me on Truths behalf to bring to publick View I should be glad of the Opportunity to lay it before such Brethren with whom the Word of Wisdom Knowledge and Discerning of Spirits dwelt yet am perswaded the Lord would preserve me from suffering the Counsel of any to lead me contrary to what I believed the Lord moved unless through the Word of Wisdom and Knowledge they could convince me of Errour and so come to see it my place to forbear And this I account agreeable to the Truth which preferrs Obedience to our own Measures of Grace before Obedience to the Measures of others and to wait on our own Gifts and not the Gifts of others even as I account it contrary to Truth and as a Branch springing from that Spirit which would limit the Holy One of Israel to subject the Approbation of Coming or not Coming of all Writings whatsoever given forth on a Religious Account to publick View unto the Judgment of any unless such as are perfectly skilful in all Spiritual Gifts Mysteries and Knowledge relating to the Matters appertaining to Gods Kingdom and the Salvation of Mankind Had this uncertain unselected Assembly spoken of been such at the time when R. B's small Treatise was approved doubtless it would never have past as that whereby Truth would be promoted through a Belief of all the Matters which therein he asserts for Truth Moreover when I consider that all Miscarriages in Writings approved at that Assembly doth not only become the error of a perticular person but of that Assembly also not only so but peradventure may be reflected though unworthily on the whole Body of the People called Quakers on a common Presumption that having past the Test of that Meeting the whole Church approves thereof I am even ready to query Whether it were not better to let every Man stand or fall to his own Master in this respect unless some better Expedient might be found than such an one as hath admitted of such Erroneous Assertions as to the dishonour of Truth are contained in R. B's Treatise And if any one should object and say What wouldst not thou submit to the Sentence of such Apostles with whom the Word of Wisdom and Knowledge dwelt Yes verily I should and ought so to do if my Faith were such as certainly to believe they are such Apostles to me but not before read 2 Cor. 10.13 14 15 16. From all which I do according to Truth thus conclude That it is groundlesly asserted by R. B. in the Sense I take his Lines to import viz. with respect to Outward Orders that the ancient Apostolick Order of the Church of Christ is Re-established amongst the People of God called Quakers Yet I do testify that the Government of Christ ought to be exercised in and over his Church and that though the Order of this Government is not so described as that by any Outward Rule or Written Prescription as a sufficient Means Man may exactly walk therein Yet I am perswaded that there are many of Gods People amongst those who in Derision are called Quakers that have been so Obedient unto that Grace which hath been given them according to the Gift of Christ as that it may be truly said of them That they are Established in the Faith of Gods Elect and that they are in Subjection according to their Measures to the Government of Christ which by the Authority of his own Power and Spirit he hath Establish'd in their Inward Parts so that through that Obedience which is of Faith other Obedience availing not they are exercising themselves according to the Leadings of
tolerable Pretence to exercise a Jurisdiction Because 't is in relation to one that hath cut himself off from being a member by departing from the Bond by which he was center'd into the Heavenly Fellowship of Christ's Body These two Cases duely weighed and considered seem to me to be comprehensive of all Cases of Difference touching Outward Concerns that may happen amongst the Members of the Church of Christ By the First it plainly appears there is no need for any to say We boldly aver we have Power and Authority to decide since in all such Cases there is no use of any such Authority when the Power of Truth manifested in themselves hath been a Bond upon them to submit to the thing that 's Just And by the Second it appears that if any shall assume such a Jurisdiction yet all such Cases are without the Cognisance thereof because 't is in the Case of one that hath cut himself off from being a Member of which sort R. B. saith Page 33 We are not so foolish as to concern our selves with those who are not of us as Fellow-Members and therefore I affirm That as in other things he hath deviated from the Line of Truth so also in this if his Meaning be according to his Words to me plainly Imports viz. That the Members of the Church of Christ have Power and Authority to decide and Remove Matters relating to Outward Things amongst themselves though the consent of the Parties differing be not had As property by the Law of Nature and according to Right Reason cannot be disposed without the assent of such in whom the Property is Vested according to that saying of * Act. 5.4 Peter to Ananias Whilest it remained appertain'd it not unto thee and after it was sold was it not in thy own Power So Differences arising touching Property and outward things relating to Meum and Tuum are of right by such outward Just Laws decideable as are according to such Fundamental Constitutions which were originally agreed upon and assented to by the People or their Representatives And therefore such Lawes have of right Power to Compel Obedience or Imprison especially when the Laws under such Governments become so far as any thing outward can be Protections to the Subjects and their Properties But neither the Scriptures without us nor the Light within us do evidence that under the Spiritual Government of Christ there is any need to Establish Orders or Laws touching worldly Property or for the Members of Christ to assume Jurisdiction therein without assent of the Parties differing For since his Kingdom is not of this World Is it not against the nature of his Government to exercise by Constraint a Jurisdiction in Matters relating to this World Besides 't is agreeable to Truth to affirm That nothing outward can Constrain the Subjects under Christ's Government to obey the Laws thereof since the only proper place where his Government is to be exalted is in the Heart the place where his Second Appearance to reign as Lord and King is and shall be and that the Means whereby under his Government Acceptable Obedience comes to be yielded is by his Spirit If then nothing Outward can be of force to Constrain Acceptable Obedience how can it be agreeable to Truth and Right Reason for the true Church of Christ it self muchless any Assembly term'd so and that on tolerable Supposition only of which more anon to assume a Jurisdiction in Cases relating to Property without the Consent of the Parties concerned when they have no suitable Power to Compel Obedience nor yet to inflict any Corporal Punishment or Restraint for the Non-performance of their Sentences And though the Prophet said which R. B. quotes I will restore thy Judges as at the first and thy Counsellors as at the beginning Yet this is no Proof that the Church of Christ ought to assume Jurisdiction in Temporal Worldly Matters without Consent of the Parties concerned muchless any Assemblies so termed and that only on tolerable Supposition For should the aforesaid Author by the words Judges as at the first and Counsellors as at the beginning conclude the Prophesy related to such Judges as were chosen Men over certain Numbers of the Children of Israel who Judged the People at all Seasons but brought the hard Causes to Moses Exod. 18.25 26. Yet this gives not the least Warrant for uncertain unselected Assemblies to assume such a Jurisdiction but to exclude it wholly we find Christ himself gives no Countenance to such a Sense with relation to Outward Matters Luk. 12.13 14. where 't is thus said And one of the Company said Master bid my Brother divide the Inheritance with me and what said Christ in this Case He thus said Vers 14 Man who made me a Judge or Divider over you And therefore I conclude there is not the least Countenance for any Assemblies of Men under the Notion of the Church of Christ to assume such an Authority R. B. also quotes Pauls words 1 Cor. 6. Dare any of you having a Matter against another go to Law before the Vnjust and not before the Saints This proves not the Lawfulness of assuming such a Jurisdiction as aforesaid it only shews that 't is Christian like that Differences arising between Brother and Brother should be brought before the Saints to Judge but doth not encourage any not chosen as aforesaid to assume Authority to Judge There is a vast difference between an assuming a Jurisdiction without a Lawful Authority as to Outward Things relating to meum and tuum and a rightful Consent and Election to Judge The First proceeds altogether from a Spirit of Usurpation and Imposition and is Intolerable The Second is tollerable and must proceed either from Assent of the Parties differing or a Power that hath rightful Disposition over the worldly Property of those concerned which being outward I question how any Persons who are neither invested with Outward Power nor chosen for that Service by the Parties concerned can at this Day reasonably claim Jurisdiction therein And therefore I do conclude that R. B. according to that Understanding I have of his Lines hath opened a wide Gap should his Judgment take place for an intolerable In-road to be made on the Properties of People even as elsewhere in his Treatise he hath done upon their Consciences as in this ensuing Discourse is plainly manifested for when I seriously consider how in his 68. Page he affirms That there neither can nor will be wanting in Case of Controversy the Spirit of God to give Judgment through some or other in the Church of Christ so long as any Assembly can properly or in any tolerable Supposition be so termed and that he would not be contented with these words properly so termed but must also add these words any tolerable Supposition and that with disjunctive or I cannot but suppose since I know he well understands the Propriety of Sentences and Signification of words that his words do
first publish't amongst us is become our only Teacher and Lawgiver by the in shining of his Light in our consciences and therefore his reflection seemes unsavoury But that which to me renders it the more Unsavoury is this when I consider the whole scope of his Treatise 't is to be doubted 't is used so far as in him lyes with respect to the Advancement of some Outward Government by Man or Men else what 's the Meaning that the aforesaid Author hath made such a dilligent search amongst the Apostles Writings after the words Order Rule Command Govern Government Traditions and such like and whether he doth not apply them to the Authority of any assembly which in any tolerable suposition may be term'd the Church of Christ let the impartial Reader dilligently peruse his Treatise and then Judge for so it s plainly to be discovered as to me appears by every impartiall Eye that shall seriously observe the scope of his Treatise and therefore I do conclude that his Reflection on such sound and savoury Language denotes a wrong Spirit and not the Spirit which appear'd amongst those antient Labourers who were Instruments in Gods Hands to gather many and who in the Approbation of such Language were accounted Honourable This puts me in mind to inform the Reader that R. B. in his third Section quotes divers Testimonies in the Scripture where these sentences are viz Know them that are over you hold the Traditions ye have been taught Though I should boast somewhat more of our Authority and we have confidence that ye will do the things which we command now we command you Brethren c. and then the aforesaid Author comments thereon what more positive then this And yet the Apostle was not here an Imposer And further If any obey not our word remember them which have the rule over you and submit your selves These filthy Dreamers despise Dominion And then thus saith There can nothing be more plain from these Testimones than that some did appoint and ordain certain things that there lay an Obligation in point of duty on others to * 'T is to be doubted his meaning is others ought to obey whether they see it their Duty or no as his 68. Page seems to import obey That this was no Incroachment nor Imposition on their Christian-Liberty nor any ways Contradictory to their being inwardly led by the Spirit of God in their Hearts And lastly that such as are in the true Feeling and Sense will find it their places to Obey and be one with the Church of Christ in such like Cases and that it 's such as have lost their Sense and Feeling of the Life of the Body that Dissent and are Disobedient under the false Pretence of Liberty Thirdly I Judge there will need no great Argument to prove the People of God may and do well to Exercise the like Government upon the very like Occasion Thus much may be collected out of R. B's 26 27 and 28. Pages Moreover in Pages 23. 24. 25. He quotes these Scriptures sayings viz In Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the Gospel wherefore I beseech you be followers of me As absent in Body but present in Spirit have Judged already c. From all which I shall observe saith the aforesaid author that it seems it was Judged no Inconsistency nor contradiction to be Followers of the Grace in our selves and also to be Followers of the Apostle Paul and his waies because his Waies and Example was no other than the Spirit of God in themselves would have led them to if they had been obedient and therefore he found it needfull to charge them Positively to follow him without adding this Reason Next the great Argument the Apostle useth to perswade them hereunto upon which he mainly insists because he had begotten them into the Truth Ye have not many Fathers for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the Gospel wherefore I beseech you be ye followers of me So he makes that as the cause c. We see then that the Lord hath and doth give such whom he hath sent forth to gather a People unto himself a certain authority in the Power over them and to bring them back to their Duty when they stray at any time and to appoint yea and command such things as are needful for Peace Order and Unity sake and that there lies an Obligation on such as are so gathered to Reverence Honour yea and Obey such as are set over them in the Lord. Thus far the aforesaid Author From all which I Observe First That here is nothing spoken in these Scriptures of the Commands of the Church and that if God hath at any time moved an Apostle on some Occasion to write unto a Peculiar Church and that perhaps with relation to perticular Members only by way of Command yet this according to right reason is no Ground for any Assembly of Persons under the Notion of the Church of Christ to give forth positive Commands in expectation that all the Members of Christs Church must obey the same whether they have a Sense thereof from the Measure of Truth in themselves or no. Secondly R. B. quoting this Scripture of the Apostle Paul viz. In Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the Gospel concludes that Paul did mainly insist upon his begetting them unto the Truth as an Argument to perswade them to obey his positive Charge to follow him by this then those who have begotten any to the Truth are the fittest to rule over such whom they have begotten If this be worthy Observation at this Day I then may well query Whether those who would Rule over such whom they have not gathered are not Intruders and Busy-Bodies medling with that which concerns others more than themselves Moreover I query Whether any of these fore-going Scriptures give the least Countenance for whole Assemblies to Minister by their Writings that which may be Matter of Faith and relative to the Conscience and to be a Bond thereon before their Vnderstanding is illuminated especially when what they do Minister first springs from the Gift either but of one or at most but a very few of them For since every man ought to Minister according as he hath received the Gift and that if any speak they ought to speak as the Oracles of God and that if any Minister it ought to be done of the ability which God giveth according to that of Peter 1 Pet. 4.10 11. I cannot but again query Whether the endeavouring to obtain a Multitude of Hands to confirm and approve that which is given forth by one or at least a very few may not become a Temptation to many to run beyond their own Lines and when they have so done instead of waiting on their own Gift make it their Business to stand by what they have done though it may prove no better in the best sence than a standing by the Gifts of others out of and in the
cannot account Sound Language if Pauls Testimony Phil. 1.15 18. was Sound who said Some Preach Christ of Envy and Strife What then Notwithstanding every Way whether in Pretence or in Truth Christ is Preached and I therein Rejoyce yea and will rejoyce Secondly That to pretend want of clearness in Sight will not excuse any from Disobedience to God who submit not to the Sentence of an Assembly or some or other of them which may in any tolerable Supposition be termed the Church of Christ and so are ready to Judge their Brethren as Apostatized from the Truth if they walk not according to the Lines and Measures of others though they have no Faith therein contrary to that of Paul who to the Corinthians said 1 Cor. 10.15 Having Hope when your Faith is Increast that we shall be inlarged by you according to our Rule And whether these are not of that number who bring another Gospel than what we have already received and so subject themselves to the Curse whilest they are endeavouring to manifest others Accurst Let Gods Witness in all Judge There are at this Day who seem to make no Distinction between such as would have no Iniquity reproved and those who Conscientiously scruple to submit to the Dictates of others till their Vnderstandings are Illuminated these are of that number who divide not aright and seem so void of Charity as not to distinguish between the Precious and the Vile for though it was so that Paul in Thes 3.6 a Scripture quoted by R. B. thus saith Now we command you Brethren in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ that ye withdraw your selves from every Brother that walketh disorderly and not after the Traditions which he received of us and then Comments upon it what more positive than this and yet the Apostle was not here an Imposer To which I thus say that this Scripture is no Warrant for any to follow the Commands or Traditions of others at this day until convinced of the Truth and real Service of Obedience to such Commands or Traditions which is evident by the reason that Paul in the following Verse gives for the urging Obedience to his Precept viz. for ye your selves KNOW how that ye ought to follow us So the Knowledge of their Duty was the Bond rather than Pauls Command Vers 14. of the same Chapter being another Scripture quoted by the aforesaid Author Page 27. Paul saith If any Man Obey not our word by this Epistle note that man and have no Company with him that he may be ashamed This related to such of whom Paul Vers 11 12 13 of the same Chapter saith we have heard that there were some among you that walked inordinately and work not at all but are Busi-Bodies therefore them that are such we command and Exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ that they work with Quietness and eat their own Bread and ye Bretheren be not weary in well doing and then he exhorts Vers 14. If any man obey not our Saying c. which plainly relates that to so undoubted necessary a Duty mentioned Vers 11. That such who were Busi-bodies walking inordinately might not in their busie inordinate Spirit eat the Bread of others but work that they might eat their own Bread but whosoever they are that shall bring such Scriptures as these to manifest that we ought to submit to the Outward Forms Prescriptions Ceremonial Dictates or decisive Sentences of others when they are or may be Matters of Conscience and that there lies an Obligation in point of Duty to Obey in every or any of such Things though we see it not shews themselves a sort of Busie-bodies wanting work Paul 1 Cor. 14.37 a Scripture quoted by the aforesaid Author thus saith If any man think himself to be a Prophet or Spiritual let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the Commandements of the Lord and Vers 34. of the same Chapter Paul saith Let your women keep silence in the Church c. Here 's a positive proof that women ought to be silent in the Church and that by the Command of Paul and therefore me thinks it should be a shame for such who plead for Womens speaking in the Church and not only so but for their Service with respect to Exercise in Discipline to pin so much as to me appears the aforesaid Author doth in his Treatise on the word Command us'd by Paul when according to the measure of Gods Grace and Truth which the Children of Light have received they have and do testify and that according to Truth notwithstanding what Paul saith and hath Commanded that * Note I would not hereby be understood to justify All Women that have spoken in our Meetings because many of them have of late been so rude in their Opposition to John Story as that I take it to be a meer Scandal to Religion and am perswaded that by Pauls Command the meaning of the Spirit was not positively according as his own words seem to intiate not only because the Prophet Joel 2.28 prophesied that the Lord would pour out of his Spirit upon Sons and Daughters and that they should Prophesy but also for that in the same Chapter 1 Cor. 14. he exhorts the Church who doubless consisted of Women as well as Men to Covet Spiritual Gifts but rather that they might Prophesy saying Ye may all Prophesy one by one all which considered t is rational to take the Mind of the Spirit to he that there were some unruly disorderly Women then in the Church as in these our Days are who then had need as some now have to be warned to keep silence though others that had received a Revelation from God might declare the same in the Church when met together Women as well as Men and Men as well as Women may speak in the Church of God according to their respective Measures when the Spirit of the Lord moves And since as the Apostle Paul himself testifies 1 Cor. 10.8 That his Authority was given him for Edification and not for Destruction I cannot but be more Charitable than to think Paul ever used the Words Command Ordain Traditions and such like on any other account but that the Churches should be followers of him according as in their own Measures they had a Sense or Savour that he was a Follower of Christ and not otherwise which comparing Phil. 3.17 with 2 Cor. 10.13 14 15 16. doth evidently appear The forementioned Scripture to the Philipians thus saith Brethren be Followers together of me and mark them that walk so as you have us for an Ensample that to the Corinths saith But we will not boast of Things without our Measures but according to the Measures of the Rule which God hath distributed to us a Measure to reach even unto you for we stretch not our selves beyond our Measure c. not boasting of things without our Measures that is other mens Labours but having hope when
and by his Spirit we came to be baptized into one Body and so are center'd into the heavenly Fellowship of Christ's Body And as for thy saying A Belief in Certain Principles Doctrines and Practices necessarily depending thereon are the Termes and very Bond by which we became center'd into one Body and the Cause that gathered us this is not only wrong in it self though as is said before they may be the Fruit of the Bond but exactly like the False Churches in the World Papists and Protestants of all sorts in the Apostacy have Outward Marks and Tokens as being either of such an Order or having such a Commission or as believing in such Principles and submitting to such Practices and the like by which the Members of their Churches are described and therefore is it that amongst those there are outward Societies of Men certainly known as aforesaid according to the various Manners and Wayes which their Principles admit and allow of which are termed the Church of Christ and these have many Outward Orders Rules Prescriptions Ordinances Decrees or Laws for the Establishment and Preservation of their outward Society which being agreeable to the nature of their Constitutions may become fit means for the Conservation thereof but inasmuch as the Belief of certain Principles Doctrines and Practices necessarily depending thereon are not the very Terms or Bond to unite any in outward Assemblies whereby to assume unto themselves the Title of the Church of Christ for that if held in a pure Mind which is in the best Sense they are but the Fruit of that Bond and when held in an Impure Mind are no Indication that such are Members of Christs Church I cannot but say it is against right Reason for any to Prescribe and Establish Outward Indispensable Rules and Orders relating to the Conscience and in order to be a Bond thereon for the Conservation of Christs Body since 't is evident that the most certain and infallible Marks of Membership in the said Body are Invisible to the Outward Man though felt and known to the Inward Man of the Heart for though Actions outwardly just are many times the Fruit of the Spirit yet are not always certain Tokens that those through whom they appear are Members of Christs Body but those who are Circumcised in Heart and have the Answer of a Good Conscience towards God are the very Members of Christs Church and therefore the most proper Means for the preservation of such Members in the Unity of the Spirit and as Members of one Body is that whereby they came to be Circumcised in Heart and gathered unto the Truth which is no other but the Spirit and Arm of Gods Power which surrounds all those that wait upon him and have a daily Dependence upon the Lord with the Mind inwardly staid in the Measure of that Grace which the Apostle saith is sufficient for them and thus the Baptism of the Spirit will be witnessed continually in which every Member of Christs Body comes to be centered into an Heavenly Fellowship and Communion each with other in the Life of Righteousness The next thing I shall examine is whether R. B's Affirmative Answer to this Question viz. Whether the Church of Christ hath Power in any Cases that are Matters of Conscience to give postive Sentence and Decision which may be Obligatory upon Believers be agreeable to Truth and Sound Doctrine My Observation hereon is this That he hath not here adjoyned Inward Conviction whereby they might find Clearness in themselves to the Sentence of the Church as necessary to the Obligation he Intends and inasmuch as nothing without an Inward Clearness and Conviction can become a real and acceptable Bond upon a Believer to be at Unity with his Brethren in the Belief and Practice of Things relating to Conscience and that those who are found in the Practice of other Mens Lines before they have Faith therein may oft times run into the Sin of Hypocrisy even as others may into the Sin of Negligence who through Unwatchfulness to their own Measures want Clearness of Sight and Understanding to practise and joyn with those things which others waiting in their Own Measures may by the Spirit be led into Therefore I cannot but say that the Scope and Bent of his Spirit so far as from his words I can Savour in relation to this Matter are not agreeable to the Truth and Sound Doctrine And since it is so as R. B. observes Page 35. That God hath not given us our Reasons to no purpose I shall according to the Line of right Reason a little further Observe First I find R. B. treating in his 7th Section concerning the Power of Decision thus to say Page 66. The only proper Judge of Controversy in the Church is the Spirit of God and the Power of Deciding solely lies in it as having the only infallible Judgment belonging to it which Infallibility is not necessarily annexed to any Persons Person or Places whatsoever by Vertue of any Office Place or Station any one may have or have had in the Body of Christ that is to say that any have Ground to reason thus Because I am or have been such an Eminent Member therefore my Judgment is Infallible or because we are the greatest Number or that we live in such a noted or famous Place or the like though some of these Reasons may and ought to have their true weight in Case of Contradictory Assertions Thus the aforesaid Author From all which two things are Observable First That the afore-said Author accounts the Spirit the only Judge Secondly That though he affirms that the Church of Christ hath Power in Cases that are Matters of Conscience to give positive Sentences and Decision which may be Obligatory upon Believers yet through his whole Treatise I find not that he hath described who are the Persons that are the Church and where those Persons do usually Assemble as the Church of Christ and therefore though my very soul abhors lightly to esteem of the Elect of God or to undervalue the Power the Church of God either stands in or are indued with yet since I do know how dangerous a thing it is for any to burthen the Consciences of Gods People though under ever so specious Pretences and that when we speak of the Church of Christ we mean Visible Persons distinguisht as outward Persons by Names that may be known to the Outward Man though as Members of Christ's Body distinguisht not by such Names but by that Name which is written in Heaven and known to the Inward Man I cannot but query To what end doth the aforesaid Author assign the Decision of Cases of Conscience which are Matters certainly to be known so as to be binding on Believers to Judges so describ'd as that a greater Controversy may immediately arise upon the asking of this question Who or where those men are This instead of removing one Difference or clearing one Doubt may beget more
And whereas it may be said We assign not to men as Judges but to the Spirit of God in Men yet this doth not wholly mend the Matter whilest the Question remains unanswered Who or where are the Men thorough whom the Spirit appears to Judge or at least so unanswered as not to remove the reasonable Objections of such as may gainsay and so through these things the mind of the Weak may come to be entertain'd with doubtful Disputations rather then those things which tend to Edification contrary to the drift and bent of the Apostle's Spirit Rom. 14.1 1 Cor. 14.26 Secondly I cannot yet cease from a further Observation on the aforesaid Position viz. Which positive sentence and decision may become Obligatory on Believers 'T is true the aforesaid Author doth not here say it ought to become Obligatory upon Believers yet to me 't is evident that he intends that such a Sentence ought to become Obligatory on Believers seeing on one Instance as Proof to his Affirmation he thus saith And is not this Obligatory on all the Members c Further saying with relation thereto I cannot tell that any Man of Reason can well deny this That which R. B. in these things seemes to drive at hath as to me appears a plain tendency to draw from the Measure of Truth in our selves though I dare not be so uncharitable as to conclude he so intends and if any Line hath dropt from my Pen which may seem to import so much I declare that not to be my Meaning or at least to encourage the lending an Ear to the Sense and Judgment of others more than to that Sense and Savour which we have within our selves For first by Believers I take the aforesaid Author plainly to intend as well such Believers as are no way concerned in giving forth such Positive Sentence or Decision as those that are else what 's the meaning of these his words And is not this Obligatory on all the Members And so such unconcerned may have no better Ground to be at Unity therewith than the saying of others Now I cannot tell how any man of reason can make out that this seems any better than this sort of Language Ye must believe as the Church believes of which more anon that I may not be understood to reflect on any thing that may in any measure savour of Truth Thirdly It doth seem plainly to contradict this wholesome Testimony of and for the Truth viz. That the Sentence and Judgement of any Man or Men whatsoever relating to Matters of Conscience ought not at this day to be given forth but by way of Recommendation to the Conscience which to my knowledge hath been the Practice of the People called Quakers and when the Conscience is sensible that Gods Witness therein answers then the Conscience is or ought to be bound other Bonds may make Hypocrites and Busi-bodies but not good Christians Paul writing to the Corinthians tells them We recommend our selves to every Mans Conscience in the Sight of God 2 Cor. 4.2 Here Paul became not a Bond upon them further than they had a Sense that Gods Witness in the Conscience answered The same Paul tells the Corinthians as before is quoted thus Having hope that when your Faith is increased we shall be enlarged by you according to our Rule abundantly This doth not manifest Pauls Desire was that they should walk according to his Rule until their Faith was increased Let us now examine how R. B. by Scripture proves that the Positive Sentence and Decision of the Church in Matters of Conscience may be Obligatory upon Believers for that he saith I shall prove it from Divers Instances from Scripture and in order thereto I find him to quote only three Scriptures The First is Gal. 1.8 But though We or an Angel from Heaven Preach any other Doctrine unto you than that which we have Preached unto you let him be Accursed If this Scripture be a proper Proof of the Matter then by the Word we Paul must be understood to mean the Church and that in the aforesaid Authors Sense Now the aforesaid Authors Sense as appears Page 68. is That such Assemblies are the Church which in any tolerable Supposition may be so termed but doubtless Paul was so exact as not to deliver any thing as Doctrine but what he had seen and handled according to this Testimony recorded in the Scriptures What we have seen and handled of the Word of Life that declare we unto you Which being certain and infallible Tokens are more than tolerable Suppositions and therefore I cannot but conclude Paul never intended that such who refused to be bound in Matters of Conscience by the Sentences of every such Assembly which in any tolerable Supposition might be termed the Church of Christ should be pronounced Accurst much less if they shall pretend they see it not and yet the aforesaid Author saith as hereafter is manifest to this purpose That that shall not excuse such from Disobedience to God who submit not to the Sentences given forth by such Assemblies or some or other of them And likewise it ought to appear that a part of that Gospel which the Church and not only Paul who as he was moved of the Lord writ to the Churches by way of Exhortation and Doctrine Preached to the Galatians was That the positive Sentence or Decision of the Church either ought to be Obligatory on all the Members or at lest Obligatory on Believers or else that which by a natural Consequence might import the same but no such Doctrine nor the import thereof by any reasonable Consequence appears from the Church nor yet from Paul to the Galatians or any else And since Paul is thus quoted let us enquire how Paul did after it pleased God to reveal his Son in him for there were Apostles and Elders before him and yet he saith Gal. 1.16 17. I consulted not with Flesh and Blood neither came I again to Jerusalem to the Apostles and Elders before me and though 't was not in a Case of controversy touching Conscience yet 't was in a Case that to him was Matter of Conscience And when he perceived that Peter and other of the Jews would have constrain'd the Gentiles to do like the Jews he withstood Peter to the face Gal. 2.11 13. Now Peter and those other Jewes might have reason'd with Paul and said we are the Brethren and the Church and our Practice ought to be a Bond on thee and thou oughtest rather to submit to us than we to thee but had they so done doubtless Paul would still have withstood them and have been Justified therein The Second Scripture R. B. quotes is 1 Tim. 1.19 20. which thus saith Holding Faith and a Good Conscience which some having put away concerning Faith have made Shipwrack of whom is Hymeneus and Allexander whom I have delivered to Satan that they may learn not to Blaspheme What 's this to the purpose to prove that
the Positive Sentence and dicision of the Church in Matters of Conscience may bind Believers 'T is so remote from it that it needs no explanation to shew it so Nay I may reasonably query Whether this Scripture be to ordinary capacities plain to the purpose that Paul himself intends For if we consult the Light it doth not tell us that a Delivery to Satan may be an Expedient whereby to learn not to Blaspheme if by the word Satan is meant the Devil as is usually understood The last Scripture he quotes for proof is Joh. 2.10 If there come any unto you and bring not this Doctrine receive him not into your house neither bid him rejoyce for so saith the aforesaid Author the Greek hath it Here also no mention is made of any positive Sentence or decision of the Church nor yet the import thereof by any natural Consequence and therefore we will consider what the word Doctrine is relative to The foregoing verse tells us thus whosoever transgresseth and abideth not in the Doctrine of Christ hath not God It s now necessary to consider what was Christ's Doctrine 't is well described by his Sermon in the Mount Mat. 5.6 Chapters wherein there is not the least title to countenance this Sentence That the positive Sentence or decision of the Church in Matters of Conscience may be Obligatory on Believers Nay in that very case Mat. 18.15 16. Where 't is said If thy Brother Trespass against thee go tell him his faults if he hear thee not take with thee one or two if he hear not them tell it to the Church if he refuse to hear the Church let him be unto thee as an Heathen Man The Scripture doth not say that Sentence ought to be Obligatory on all other Members of the Church of Christ who might be no way concern'd either in the Admonition or Sentence to look upon him as an Heathen Man but it saith Let him be unto thee as an Heathen Man Christ's Doctrine also was that when he should depart hence the Father would send the Comforter the Holy Ghost which saith he shall teach you all things he doth not say the Judgment of the Church must be Obligatory on all believers nor yet that the Church shall teach them all things for 't is evident by the Apostles writings that they themselves had need of teaching These things duely weighed I do according to Truth conclude that the three foregoing Scriptures which he hath quoted do no way import to prove the Matter he intends Besides I remember only one Example of Decisive Judgment or Sentence given in the Scriptures by the Apostles and Elders who did it not as assuming Authority so to do saying We are the Church of Christ and we have Power to Decide without your Assent but what they did was by assent of the Differing Parties which assent is worthy to be noted by such who say as R. B. hath we boldly aver we have Power to decide and that speaks nothing in favour of what the aforesaid Author seemed to drive at when he said And is not this Obligatory on all the Members but rather the Contrary and that is in the 15th of the Acts where a Dissention is Signified between Paul and Barnabas on the one hand and certain of the Sect of the Pharisees who Believed and Taught Unless ye be Circumcised after the manner of Moses ye cannot be saved on the other hand In Answer to this Question the Apostles and Elders agree that Circumcision was not fit to be laid on the Gentiles which were Believers who never were in the Practice nor yet had any Faith touching the same yet do not say that their Sentence shall or ought to be Obligatory on all the Members of the Church of Christ nor yet that those Jews who practized Circumcision after they believed should desist the same for then it might have been lookt upon as Obligatory on such Believing Jews and the reason of that Sentence doth plainly agree with the Testimony of Truth received amongst the People of the Lord called Quakers in the Beginning viz. To walk according to the Measure received For the Apostles and Elders well knew that according as Paul said to the Romans Chap. 14.5 23. It was necessary for every one to be fully perswaded in their own Minds and that whatsoever was not of Faith was Sin and so could not suffer their Sentence had they had Power so to do to be a Bond on those Jews who made Conscience of practising Circumcision after they had believed to forbear the same and as to the Gentiles it doth plainly appear that the Decisive Judgment of the Apostles c. with respect to that Controversy touching Circumcision was not a Bond upon them contrary but according to their Faith and therefore this Example can be no President or Warrant for any to submit to the Sentence or Decisive Judgment of any whatsoever wherein there is no Faith much less to conclude that the Conscience ought to be bound For it is no more in the Powers of Believers or any else to force an assent of their own Consciences to the Sentences and Decisive Judgments of others though pretending themselves the Church of Christ without an Invisible Operation and Conviction thereon through which alone it's capable to be bound than it is in our Powers so to alter the outward Shapes of our Faces as to make them like unto other Mens from whose they vary Moreover when I consider how Innumerable Controversies have a risen touching the Authority of the Church and the Decrees that have been brought forth touching Matters of Conscience under the Notion of the Church of Christ in Ages past and that the like Controversies in probability may arise at this Day should any number of Persons whatsoever Assemble and not only say we are the Church of Christ but also thus we have power to bind and lose and upon that foot give forth Positive Sentences and Decesive Judgments in Cases that are Matters of Conscience in order to be Obligatory upon Believers I cannot but query especially since the People of the Lord called Quakers have not Preached up this Doctrine ye must Believe as the Church Believes but have commended their Testimonies on the behalf of Truth to every Mans Conscience in the Sight of God that therein they might be manifested I say I cannot but query Where lies the Service to God and his Truth for any to concern themselves to treat on such Subjects as may give Occasion to receive the weak to Doutbfnl Disputations For though Christ said What you bind in Earth shall be bound in Heaven Yet we do not find in the Scriptures of Truth that the Apostles or any Assembly under the Notion of the Church of Christ ever made use of that Expression to shew their Authority as Christs Church but rather laboured to beget People unto God that so they might become Members of Christs Body which is the Church and be in
part of the Glory of that Administration under which Thousands in these Nations were gathered unto God did consist in this that after they had been wandering from Mountain to Hill from under one form and outward Church-fellowship into another they came to be turned to the sure guide in themselves Christ's Light and warned not to look out neither to be in the Lo here 's and the Lo there 's but to be faithful to their Own Measures for that according to Pauls Testimony God's Grace was given to every one according to the Measure of the Gift of Christ But to return Let us examine how he proves his first Assertion viz. That there never will nor can be wanting in Case of Controversie the Spirit of God to give Judgment through some or other in the Church of God so long as any Assembly can properly or in any tolerable Supposition be so termed His Proof is on this wise For the first saith he To those who believe the Scriptures there will need no other Probation than that of the 28th of Matthew and the 20th And lo I am with you alway unto the End of the World And Vers 18. And the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it How this proves the Matter to me appears not for these Scriptures do neither expresly nor by any natural Consequence say That any Assembly is the Church of Christ which may in any tolerable supposition be so termed nor yet speak any thing of Controversies arising amongst the Members of the Church of Christ Had he brought the first Scripture to prove that Christ would be with such whom he at this day makes use of to Teach all Nations as he did his Disciples at that day whilst they should teach to Observe the things that Christ to whom all Power is given commands not the Commands of Assemblies which may in any tolerable Supposition be termed the Church of Christ but the things that Christ Commands he had exactly hit the Mark But as to the Matter the aforesaid Author seems by his Words to drive at 't is far from being to the purpose And as to the second Scripture had he brought it to prove That the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against that Church which is built on the Rock Christ 't would have answered the End But alas 't is far remote from proving that God's Spirit will appear to decide Controversies in every Assembly that in any tolerable supposition can be termed Christs Church And so I cannot but conclude that these and several other Scriptures which he hath quoted as Proof of his Assertions seem rather strain'd to Vindicate what he asserts than that his Assertions are according to it on which hand he saith in his Epistle to the Reader That both Papists and Protestants have greatly gone aside which might have been a Caution to him not to have Erred in the same Path as now he hath done Let us a little further examine his Words Tolerable Supposition When we are not certain of the Truth of any thing and yet are apt to think it is or may be so we commonly say My Supposition is that it is or may be so and though the aforesaid Author adjoyns to the word Supposition Tolerable yet that ascertains nothing it only imports such a Supposition may be sufferable that is may be suffered to be a Supposition not a thing that 's Certain There are Assemblies Obvious to every Eye that knows any thing of Christianity which cannot on any Terms be supposed the Church of Christ There are other Assemblies which have several Marks and Tokens of the Church of Christ so far as several things outward profest and acted may be such and yet notwithstanding not owned by the Lord as the Church of Christ The present Age as well as Ages past yields many Presidents to prove the same for that 't is Obvious there have been many Assemblies under various Forms who profess Faith in Christ Works of Righteousness and divers Truths owned by the true Church of Christ Now whether such things profest and owned may not be ground for a tolerable supposition that such Assemblies are the Church of Christ I leave to the Judgment of the impartial and Judicious reader having this further Testimony to add that the World hath too much been troubled with the Sentences Decrees and Decisive Judgments of too many Assemblies supposed to be the Church of Christ or that on tolerable Supposition have been so termed who have rather increased than ended Controversies as History doth at large manifest And since R. B. undertakes by Reason to evidence the same I shall according to the Line of Right Reason and Truth take upon me further to discover the Fallacy of his so confident Assertion The Qualifications of a Member of Christ's Body is Sanctification through the Spirit Wheresoever any number of Persons so qualified are Assembled in Christs Name there is the Church of Christ though they are of that number who are of the lowest Degree or Rank in the Body Now an Assembly of such Members may be as Insensible and void of Understanding in many Divine Matters and Mysteries relating to the Kingdom of God as the Ear of the natural Body may be Insensible of what the Eye doth see and so may have Cases of Controversies brought before them whereof they are no more competent Judges not being Gifted thereunto by the Spirit than the Eye of the natural Body is capable to distinguish between the Diversities of Voices and Sounds or the Ear of Diversities of Colours and yet may be all Faithful in their Places walking according to their respective Measures of Grace which God hath given them so that none can in Truth say such an Assembly may not properly be called the Church of Christ being built upon him their Rock and having perfect Fellowship each with other in the Life of Righteousness Obj. And whereas some may be ready to Object and say Why dost thou seem to reflect on this Sort of Language We must Believe as the Church Believes * Note This Question is stated in a Printed Book and publish't by one called a Quaker whose name is omitted for the reason mentioned in the Preface to the First Part. Is not the true Church in the true Faith and must we not either Believe thus as the true Church Believes or else do we not manifest both Folly and Hypocrisy to profess ourselves Members thereof Answer To this Objection having in my foregoing Lines used such an Expression I thus say The General Assembly and Church of the First Born are written in Heaven Heb. 12.23 But I do not find that this General Assembly set forth their Creed recorded on Earth by that I thus mean I do not find any certain number of Articles of Faith written in the Scriptures of Truth which every Member of this General Assembly did Believe and which every one who should come to be gathered into the Fellowship of Christs Body
lyable to err than a treating on this Scripture Take eat this is my Body and apply it to outward bread would And though none amongst the People of the Lord called Quakers as ever I yet heard treated on the later Scripture in Approbation of the sense and application before recited yet I find the aforesaid Author treating on the former Scriptures and that as to me appears with respect to settled Assemblies who if they watch not may err which is easily to be savour'd if the whole scope of his Treatise be but duely weighed The service for God and his Truth in his so doing at this day is hard to be understood by many who have an Honourable esteem for Truth as preach't in the beginning especially since it may occasion many to stumble and fall through a Jealousy that those Scriptures in process of time may be used to enforce Obedience to Outward Sentences and Decrees relating to Conscience whether the Understanding be so illuminated as to see the service of such Obedience for God and his Truth yea or nay And since it is so that of late much is spoken touching the Authority of the Church and that the Church is not lyable to err and that the Apostacy shall never enter the Generality more it is at this time with me to treat a little further touching things of this nature And though I would not be understood to say that the Church of Christ is not invested with Power from on high for every Member thereof according to measure stands in the Power or that the Apostacy shall enter the Generallity again yet I have this certain sense that in Asserting the Authority of the Church and her infallibity c. time hath not been so well imployed as might have been in an inward exercise to be comprehended in the Power thereby to be preserved out of all Apostacies and error but to proceed We read that the Author to the Hebrews tells them They were come to the * Heb. 12.13 General Assembly and Church of the First-Born which are written in Heaven and to God the Judge of all we do not find that the Scripture speaks of the Authority of this General Assembly so that their Sentences and Decisive Judgments should be a Bond on Believers to obey though they see it not but saith God is Judge of all Neither do I find that the Scriptures make mention of any General Assembly of the Church of Christ other than in this place And since the word Church is mostly used in Scriptures with respect to particular Congregations or Assemblies what ground is there to exalt the Power of a General Assembly above any Particular one especially since no such Assemblies whether General or Particular as Assemblies of men have Power one above another further than the Power of God appears more eminent in Degree in one than another for God by his Spirit alone is Sole Judge which appearing though but through an Handmaid or meanest of the Flock in the least of Assemblies ought to be submitted to when God's Witness in the Conscience Answers whether an Assembly esteemed a General Assembly approve thereof or no. Where two or three are gathered together in Christs Name there is the Church of Christ * Matth. 18.19 20. Christ saith If two of such agree on Earth as touching any thing they shall ask the Father it shall be done for them of my Father which is in Heaven Can the Agreement of a General Assembly do more than this viz. than Prevail with the Father and therefore I may well query Why the agreement of Two in any Case who in Christ's Name agree ought not to have as great a Prevalency amongst their Brethren as the Agreement of an Assembly esteemed a General one ought And why the People of God at this day may not have an Eye as well to two Brethren who in Christ's Name agree and are at Unity in the Truth as unto an Assembly esteem'd a General One Though particular Societies of Men may constitute some Persons or Person to represent them and so may conferr a Power on them to negotiate Outward Worldly Affairs and by reason of such Constitutions there may be Assemblies which in that respect may be called General Assemblies yet I query Whether any Assembly of the People of the Lord can in a proper Sense be called a General Assembly of the Church of Christ unless such a one where every Member of Christ's Body is convinced because as they pretend to the Exercise of no Power in their Assemblies when negotiating the Affairs of Truth as Members of the Church of Christ and not barely as men but Gods Power so they do not profess that as such they have Power to confer Gods Power and Spirit on any for they account that only proper to Christ the Lord and therefore if any particular Congregation should attempt to send Persons as their Representatives to any particular Place in order to meet together as a General Assembly of the Church of Christ or that any part of the Church without such particular Election or Mission should Assemble together and call themselvs the General Assembly of the Church of Christ I Query Whether those so affirming would not therein manifestly erre Yet I would not hereby be understood to Judge it as an Evil for any whether Apostles or Elders or any else to meet together when where and as often as they in the Spirit shall find Freedom from the Lord so to do nor yet being met together to judge them for giving forth any thing by way of Recommendation to the Consciences of their Brethren when they find freedom from the Lord so to do Yet in this Case every one had need to wait in their Own Gift that so they may not exercise themselves in things beside their Gifts and then what such bring forth may have an Answer in the Consciences of their Fellow-Brethren But should such Assemblies take upon them to give forth Positive Sentences Decrees or Decisive Judgments in Matters of Conscience in order to become a Bond upon Believers to Obey though they see it not and in defect of Obedience to such their Sentences pronounce all such their brethren who may refuse to obey the same Rebellious against the Lord they would therein manifest themselves to be laying another Foundation than that which hath been already laid and so it might be Just with the Lord to withdraw his comforting Presence from them R. B. Page 63. treating of the Liberty of Conscience which may be exercised by the Members of the True Church diversly without Judging one another thus saith There is a certain Liberty and forbearance also that is more perticular and has a relation to the Circumstance of Times and Places which will not hold universally the first was in suffering Circumcision to the Jews the second was in Observation of certain dayes the third Abstaining from meats To which I say The aforesaid Author as in other things
sprang through an Inward Departure from the Anointing in themselves Obedience whereunto according to the respective Measures of Grace given of God and received by each Member was a manifestation of that wherein the Unity of the Body stands and as the Apostacy entered no doubt but the Traditions and Rudiments of Men came to be exalted against which the Apostle Paul cautioned the Colossians saying Col. 2.8 Beware lest there be any that spoyl you through the Traditions of Men according to the Rudiments of the World and not after Christ but yet notwithstanding I Question whether any have been greater Pretenders to Unity than those who have been exalting the Traditions of Men and shall leave it to the Judicious Reader to consider whether a sufficient Evidence hereof appears not in divers Apostatised * Note * Men of prejudiced Spirits may conclude that I herein strike at the true Church God forbid I should so do for the true Church never exalted the Traditions and Rudiments of Men for though the Apostle said in 2 Thes 2.15 Hold the Traditions which ye have been taught yet his very Prayer in the next verse That the Lord would establish them in every good Word and Work shews that his Desire was not that any should follow the Traditions of any further than the Lord might establish them therein and this was far from following the Rudiments and Traditions of Men of Imposing his Traditions otherwise than according as they should be establish't therein by the Lord. Churches professing Christianity wherein is establish't by Outward means what is to be Believed and what is to be practised and yet doubtless as remote from the Unity wherein the Fellowship of the Saints in Light doth consist as the East is from the West and so in their Unity being but Outward have found no more acceptance with the Lord than the Vnworthy Eaters did whilest they discerned not the Lords Body Many of Gods People yet in the Body are Witnesses that one part of that Testimony which accompanied the Servants of the Lord in those latter Days was against Outward Forms Traditions Prescriptions Decrees Ordinances of men with relation to Matters Spiritual and Divine and wherein the Consciences of Gods People might be concerned as being those Rudiments of the World out of which he hath determined to gather his People for to the Children of Light they appeared more agreeable to the Nature and Tenour of the First-Covenant than the Second and not only so but to establish his Church on the Rock Christ that so as they received him they might walk in him according to their respective Measures of Grace given them of God to profit withal and which as the Apostle declared was sufficient for them Now Inasmuch as the Testimony of Truth hath been that what God leads out of he usually leads not into again I appeal to Gods Witness in all Consciences whether an Indispensable Establishment of Outward Orders Prescriptions and Decrees for the Members of the Church of Christ to walk by and submit unto at this Day and wherein the Liberty of their Consciences may be invaded of which my meaning is no other Liberty than what the Gospel allows doth not seem to exalt that sort of Unity wherein the Fellowship of the Saints in Light doth not consist and so consequently may become the means to draw the Minds of Gods People outward and to cause them to look at Outward things under the notition of Things establish't in the Church more than to the Anointing in themselves let Gods Witness in every Conscience Judge Objection But perhaps some may object and say May not a false Liberty get strength by a Plea for a Gospel-Liberty I answer nay For such a Plea being righteous Sin and Iniquity which is a false Liberty cannot get strength thereby And though I do confess the Enemy of mans Soul may make use thereof as the Devil did make use of Scripture when he tempted Christ to throw himself down from the Pinacle of the Temple saying The Lord shall give his Angels charge concerning thee yet 't is not reasonable to conclude a just Plea can strengthen any in a fleshly Liberty but the Tempter may if he prevail However I cannot see it yet to be my Duty to cease to do good though another may pretend that thereby evil may abound and since R. B. speaks Page 28. of a false Pretence of Liberty and that as I take his Lines to import with respect to Disobedience to certain things ordained relating to Order in the Church it s with me to describe What that Liberty of Conscience is which is according to the Gospel And in order thereunto 't is necessary to consider that the Gospel is Glad-tidings of Salvation which is not attained but by witnessing the end for which Christ was manifest in the Flesh and that was to save People from their Sins hence I conclude a Pleafor a Gospel Liberty of Conscience is a Plea for a Freedom of the Conscience from Sin and so consequently a Plea for a false Liberty of Conscience is that which pleads for Sin Objection I am yet Sensible that some may yet further thus object The difference lies not here for we find many who contend for Liberty of Conscience to plead against all Sin and that many who would not have it extend so large as thou seemest to plead for do also plead against all Sin and therefore thy distinction doth not yet satisfie To this then I thus say The true Professours of Religion say Heaven is the Mark they aim at and that this is not attainable without Peace of Conscience and that every man must give an account of himself to God Hence the Law of Divine Nature teacheth us that since we must give account for our selves we ought not to be imposed upon but suffered to believe for our selves and whosoever on that score and no Evil End claimes a Liberty of Conscience it ought to be granted him and this is not contrary to that Liberty which the Gospel allows If then any who deny all Pleas for Sin rest disatisfied in their Consciences touching certain Orders ordained by some for the Church to practise and refuse the practise thereof on this score that they have no Faith touching their Service in the Church this cannot properly be called a Plea under a false Pretence of Liberty but rather a just and righteous Plea according to that Liberty of Conscience which the Gospel allows To conclude let us all watch against that Spirit that would insinuate a Belief that we ought to follow the Commands Traditions and Examples of Men when Gods Witness in our Consciences answers not otherwise such Insinuations though none of the ancient Labourers in the primitive gathering may either stand by or own the same may make way for men principled as R. B. by his small Treatise seems to be to assume Authority to Command and Rule not only over such their Brethren whom they have been
Nations are not to be blamed for all their Idolatry Wickedness and Superstition for that they are not sensible of the Evil of it whereas Truth teaches us to believe that had they been Faithfull to the small measure of Light in things more obvious it would have further opened and manifested other things Then should not the Jews have been condemned for crucifying Christ since Peter says they did it ignorantly and Paul testifies that if they had known they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory Yea then all those that persecuted and burned the Protestant-Martyrs were not to be Judged for it because they supposed they did well in it even according to Christ's Testimony who says that in killing you they shall think they do God good Service shall men then never be condemned for doing evil or omitting their Duty because they see it not what absurdity would folthereupon may easily appear and yet it is strange that W. R. in his Papers should labour so much against this affirming very positively that nothing ought to be given forth in the Church of Christ but by way of recommendation not of command wherein he doth either greatly mistake the matter as affirmed by me or otherways run into a far greater inconveniency than he is aware for if he mean that no man of or from himself only or by vertue of any office or place he either hath or hath born in the Church of Christ ought to Command any things to be performed in the Church I freely agree to it and have asserted the same in very full and ample termes But if he will say that no man albeit really moved by the Spirit of God ought to go further than a meer reomendation it is a most insolent limiting of God under a false pretence of Liberty will necessarily conclude that God hath not Power to command any thing unless men be content to agree to it For the Controversy is here drawn to a narrow Compass for he that will allow that God hath Power to command things to be practised in the Church and that those Commands must be conveyed by immediate Revelation through some of the Members of the Church and that it may fall out that some of the Members of the Church may thorough weakness or unwatchfulness not be sensible they must either acknowledge that such are to be condemned or say that God hath not Power to Command or that there is no such Revelations now a Days as do the Priests and Truths Enemies or that Man is not Condemnable for Disobeying God if he believe it not to be his Duty which is as much as to say that Unbelief is no Sin Now let these things be seriously considered how this is or can be avoided without granting the things affirmed by me for what way the Truth can be asserted the Honour and just Authority of God acknowledged the necessity and continuance of immediate Revelation affirmed and the Iniquity of Unbelief not justified and the just Judgement of God upon the Rebellious and Disobedient vindicated without affirming what I have done And if any can do this in words more wary than I have done I shall very readily agree to it For that things may be proposed to the Church by way of Command and further than a meer Recommendation the whole Current of the Scriptures shews not only to the Church among the Jews where Moses and the Prophets do propose the Will of God to be performed very positively and peremtorily but even under the New-Covenant as appears in the 15th of the Acts and in many places of Pauls Epistles particularly that on 2 Thes 3.14 If any Man obey not our Word by this Epistle note that Man and have no Company with him that he may be ashamed This then being manifested with respect to those times I would know of W. R. whether Christ has now lost any of his Authority or has left off to rule his church immediately by his Spirit whether so to affirm be not grossely to contradict the Ancient and Primitive Doctrine of Friends W. R 's Tenth Observation [k] [k] This is not my Concern having given no Occasion in my Answer for this his Defence and therefore do make no reply thereto Fifthly Whereas some did suppose that I did make the Difference in the End but very small betwixt Decissive Judgement among Friends and among Papists and other Persons because I say they place the Decisive Judgement in the Plurality of an Assembly made up of their chief Teachers and Ministers and albeit I limit it not to that yet I seem to affirm That it most usually is so conveyed and so the difference only is that they make it always so and I most usually To this I answer that if in Charity I may suppose this insinuation comes not from malice at least it proceeds from great Ignorance of the Popish Principles and it were better for such to be silent than to Judge of things they do not understand for the Difference here is very Great and Fundamental in respect both Papists and others do affirm that men by vertue of an Outward succession or vocation may have true Right to sit and give Judgment in such Assemblies albeit they be void of true Holiness and have not the Grace of God which they say is no necessary qualification to the being of a Minister so that they Place the Power of Judgment not onely in the plurality of Votes absolutely in which we differ from them but also in the Judgment of such as may without any absurdity by their own Principles be supposed to be all and each of them void of the true Grace of God and whom even supposing them to be Gracious they Affirm not at all to be led by the immediate Spirit of Christ which they say is now ceased now can there be a greater difference than is betwixt these two to wit to affirm that the Power of decision is in an Assembly of men to being Members of which assembly the Grace of God is no necessary qualification and who deny any such thing as to be immediately led by the Spirit of Christ as a thing not attainable in these Dayes and yet that all Christians must be Subject to what the Plurality of such an Assembly so Constitute do determin And to Affirm that the Power of Decision is onely and alone in the Spirit not necessarily tied to a general assembly but if it please God to make use of such an assembly yet neither to the Plurality of them but in and thorough such of his Servants as he sees meet and that none are capable or can be supposed to be Members of such an assembly or esteemed such from whom such a Judgment can be expected or ought to be received unless they be men in whom the Grace of God not onely is but has truly wrought to mortify and regenerate them in a good Measure in whom the Judgment of Truth really
Children of Israel c. And that some do lead many into a temptation to run beyond their Line by procuring a multitude of hands to confirm what is given forth by one or at least by a very few with divers other things of this kind which takes up no small part of his Papers Now these things are not pertinently brought in against me nor would I judge my self less impertinent to enlarge in a Contest concerning these things which do not immediately concern the thing under Debate since the Person or Persons aimed at by him in these Reflections may take Occasion as they find it their Place to Answer and perhaps may have had Opportnity to have discoursed with him divers of these things ere this time upon other occasions Thirdly since a considerable part of W. R's Papers is taken up to Evidence as he pretends impertinent Application I make of the several Passages of the Apostles which he thinks I have been too curious to collect that make mention of these words Order Rule Command and Government how he evinces that I leave to the serious Reader being the more willing to bear his Reflections in that respect that he is so bold when he cannot Compass his matter otherwise not only to censure me but the Apostle Paul saying of 1 Tim. 1.19 20. mentioned by me that it is not only to the Purpose intended by me but that it is not plain to the purpose Paul himself intended at least to ordinary Capacities adding that the Method there proposed by the Apostle answers not that which the Light within tells us since since then the Light he follows is such as finds fault with the Apostles Assertions I may the more patiently bear his affirming mine to be Erronious and whereas W. R. labours to make it appear that the Scriptures brought by me to prove a Power of Decision in the Church do not affirm any such thing because in these Scriptures there is no mention made of the Churches Division yet if he consider that those places do speak of the Seperating from and Cutting off of Divers Persons Forsaking their Fellowship to the Saints who make up the Church of Christ it necessarily presupposes a Judgement of the Church or Saints concerning these Persons for which they are so cut off from the Fellowship of the Body of Christ which is his Church Fourthly W. R's Twelsth Observation a great Part of W. R's work [m] [m] R. P. now seems very confident that a great part of my work is a Building up and then a Pulling down but gives no Substantial Reason to prove his Assertion For 't is one thing to discover for the Sakes of others the Weakness or Errour both in Principle and Practice of one professing Christianity 't is another thing to make ones self a Judge over the Consciences of such so as to Condemn them for not walking according to anothers perswasion though contrary to their own This First is Commendable and the only thing aimed at and performed by me in that Part of my Work which he pretends is a Building up and then a pulling down The other I Affirm R. B. is not Capable to render me guilty of if he were Doubtless he would have done it and then I should have Readily acknowledged my Errour therein For Examples-sake I shall Cite one Instance I positively affirm that this Judgment touching the Authority of the Churchs in relation to the decision of Difference Tonching Outward things is erronious and have writen somewhat large to manifest it so This I did for the clearing of Truth And Perhaps he may terme it as an evidence that I therein built that which I destroyed when I said we find the Apostles Exhorting the Churches not to he Judging one another with respect to things relating to Conscience But an Inference will not hold unless I had also declared that if he or any Believer like minded with him should Practice according to such a Judgment they were then to be condemned but that I have not done for should I so have done his construction of my Building up and Pulling Down might have held but I am so far from being of such a Censorious Spirit as that I think 't is rather his Duty whilest so principled to referre any such Difference arising between him and another Friend unto the Decision of the Church This I hope will suffice to shew the Fallaciousness of his Inference and the abuse and Perversion not only of my Intent but my Words themselves And if his Inference to my Words be good than 't is Plain that Paul might Justly be blamed when he withstood Peter Gal. 2.11 to the face Because Peters was to be blamed is but a building up and then a pulling down wherein he apparently contradicts himself yea the whole scope of his Book implyes a manifest Contradiction for whereas he plainly declares his writing to be a Plea for Christian Liberty against judging and Censuring one another holding forth the diversity of Opinions or Judgement in matters of Conscience but especially in such matters as relate to Discipline and Government is not nor ought not to be a Breach of Unity which he understands may be supposed to be the Diversities of Gifts and Administrations mentioned in Scriptures which he Expreses in these words upon Paul in Rom. 14. So then every one of us shall give an account of himself unto God let us not therefore Judge one another any more And again he sayth upon Chap. 14.34 which evidently shewes that inasmuch as every one must Answer for himself it is fit every one should believe for himself and so Practice without being imposed upon by others and this is the Ground of all Christians forbearance And again in another Place he sayth These things Considered and that also we find the Apostle Exhorting the Churches Not to be Judging one another with respect to things relating to Conscience there is great need to watch against this Censorious Judging Spirit lest while any are Judging their Brethren themselves become cast-aways He hath many more Expressions of this kind Now since this is the whole Scope of W. R's Papers and that he did yea hath since he wrote those Papers acknowledged me to be his Christian Brother and many more at least then he did repute such whom he Censures Judges and Condems through his whole Treatise yea since his whole Papers are a Judging Censuring and Condemning of me and my Judgment in things Pertaining to Conscience and to my Judgment in Matters of Government and Outward Discipline does not the Work it self imply a manifest Contradiction so his very Writing Contradicts the matters that he writes of and pleads for especially since he not onely makes some General Censure of me and many others Professing the same fundamental Truths with him but is very partricular and Peremptory yea insinuating accusations as if I in Particular intended to make way for an Authority to Rule over at least some
copy of a Letter pretended to be given forth by W. R. Friends IT was upon me for several weeks past if any occasion would in any wise permit to come up to the City of London to be present among Friends from divers parts of the Nation at this time that so I might have Opportunity to confer with Friends who were dissatisfied with me touching what I had written in Answer to Robert Barclays Book of Government And a few dayes before my coming up Robert Barclay being in London writ unto me to come up that we might have a Conference at large touching the same This his Request had the greater Obligation upon me to be present in London at this Time On Conference had with him we agreed that a Free-Meeting might be had with Friends in whose Presence Robert Barclay and my self might in all Coolness and Moderation conferr together that so all Mis-understandings might be removed and the Truth be evidenced to the Consciences of the Brethren then present The Meeting for this End was this day had and a very Christian and fair Debate was had to the Satisfaction of both of us as far as I can understand and the matters chiefly objected by me were fairly and Brother-like and in much Love discoursed and upon the whole Matter I am satisfied that Robert Barclay is not Principled so as I and others have taken his Book to import In particular he doth declare That his Book teacheth not that the Church of Christ hath Jurisdiction over the Outward Concerns of Friends in case of Difference without the Assent of the Differing Parties and that it was far from his Intention For his Intention as he declares was only to manifest that Friends ought to submit their Cases of Difference to the Decision of the Church and in Case of Refractoriness that Such Persons Ought to be Disowned That though Robert Barclay in one Place affirms to this purpose That there never will or can be wanting in case of Controversy the Spirit of God to give Judgement through some or other in the Church of Christ so long as any Assembly can properly or in any tolerable Supposition be so term'd He declares that the words were Sound and further sayeth that thereby he intends no other but such Assemblies as in reality and Truth may be termed the Church of Christ And whereas he sayeth to this purpose That 't is Disobedience to God not to submit to the Sentence of such Assemblies though the Persons refusing to submit pretend they see it not yet he declares that his meaning thereby is not that if they submit before Conviction of Conscience they therein find Acceptance with the Lord but rather to shew that their want of Sight is through Disobedience or unwatchfulness to the Grace of God in themselves which if they did take heed thereunto would shew it their Duty to obey We also had Discourse touching his Assertion that Principles and Doctrines c. believed through the Force of Truth on the Understanding are as it were the Terms and in another Place the Book produced it appeared that he asserted there was a more Inward Bond viz. the Life of Righteousness and that the Book declareth that we are gathered into the Belief of the Principles and Doctrines by the Truth and its Power and Influence upon our Hearts and the very Bond by which we became Centered into one Body and Fellowship c. and on a Debate thereof he acknowledged that his meaning was not they were the Original Bond but rather as Fruits and Branches of that Bond and so in that respect might be as an Outward Bond whereby we are United in an Heavenly Society We had also some Discourse touching his Title Page wherein he asserts that the Ancient Apostolick Order of the Church of Christ is Re-establish't on its right Basis and Foundation touching which he declareth That his meaning is not only with respect to all the Outward Orders and Forms of Discipline in Government amongst us but also with respect to the Power of God which in the Primitive Dayes was and now is the great Order of the Gospel And though Robert Barclay hath given these Explications of his meaning yet the very Explication as he sayeth are to be found in his Book if duely weighed Having given you an account in short of what was discoursed this day amongst Friends this further lies upon me to signifie unto you on the behalf of R. Barclay I am satisfyed that he is not Principled as I and many by some Passages in his Book took him to be and since it is so that many have taken an offence against him for that Cause as may be doubted even so far as to Reject his Testimony and Service for the Truth it lyeth upon me as my Duty even for his and the Truths sake to warn all that they take heed not to entertain Prejudice against his Testimony or Jealousyes that may enter on the score of any apprehensions or mistakes of his Book and that Answer that I have given thereto but rather in an unprejudiced Spirit to wait on the Lord to feel and Savour his Testimony even as if the occasion taken had never been And I do Freely confess that inasmuch as I Publisht my Book before I gave Robert Barclay notice of my Objections and Intentions therein I acted in that Respect not according to Gospel Order but am Justly worthy of blame therein It is with me also to signifie to you that I am abundantly satisfied that Robert Barclays Book of Government was Written at or before the time of its Date for that he Solemnly Affirms it was so William Rogers The Coppy of a Paper given forth by Charles Marshal and Thirty six Persons more Forasmuch as William Rogers of Bristol hath lately written a Manuscript against a Book of Robert Barclays Entituled The Anarchy of the Ranters and approved at the Second days Meeting at London and hath dispersed his Manuscript in Several Parts of this Nation without so much as first giving either to the said Robert Barclay in Particular or the Second Days Meeting in General any account of his Scruples or Dissatisfaction concerning the said Book of Robert Barclay contrary to all Rules of Brotherly Love Christian-Fellowship Gospel-Order and the Exemplary Practice of the Church of Christ to the Defamation of the said Robert Barclay the great Derogation from the Christian Authority of the said Meeting and the general Dis-service to Truth especially being sent unto Persons who at present are Disaffected to the present Unity of the Body of Friends And whereas on the Seventh Day of the Fourth Moneth 77. We whose Names are Under Written were met together in the City of London in the pure Fear and Holy Dread of the Lord God Almihty to hear what the said William Rogers had Objected against the said Book of Robert Barclay it appeared to us upon a Deliberate Serious and Impartial Hearing of the Matter in controversy that the
desired me to give him that so raced and interlined Paper but not manifested his intent to Publish the same to whom I Answered I would not unless he would promise me to send it me without the least Alteration or Addition of a Title which he then Solemnly promised but is not yet performed and so the spreading of that Paper or any Paper under the notion of Copy thereof in my Name without my Privity or Assent was very Abusive and I can account it little better than forgery For my Memory is so good as to know that my Hand was never to any Paper whereof this given forth in my Name is Copy And forasmuch as the said Pretended Letter declares nothing of Error contained in my Answer therefore the force of the said Answer is nothing abated thereby And now if that very Paper which is sent abroad under my Name without my Assent were sent by me for the sakes of such who may misconstrue the same I thus Observe 'T is therein thus said I am satisfied that Robert Barclay is not Principled so as I and others have taken his Book to Import And in another place as I and many by some Passages in his Book took him to be The words spoken by Robert Barclay himself unto me before Friends manifested that he is not principled as his Book teacheth and therefore I hope none will abuse my Charity in believing the words of Robert Barclays mouth rather than what his former Writing saith my so doing doth not import that I mistook his Book for I Affirm that his Book is Erronious and shewed him otherwise Principled than the words of his mouth imported Again in the said Paper 't is thus said In Particular he doth declare That his Book teacheth not that the Church of Christ hath Jurisdiction over the Outward Concernes of Friends in case of Difference without assent of the Differing Parties and that it was far from his Intentions As to this I thus say I hope none will read so carlesly as to conclude that because I say He doth Declare c. therefore they will conclude that I do so declare If I should have so said I should have egregiously wronged my Conscience because I knew not where to find such an Explication of his words this Sentence was inserted to tell Friends what he saith and not what I say And so every one hath liberty to search his Book that they may see whether he speaketh Truth or no for I now positively Affirm having since searched his Book again that there is not any one Word or Sentence to be found thorough all his Book that doth in the least measure import that his Book doth so teach as he saith it doth and yet since my departure from London he had the Confidence or rather I may say the Impudence to Affirm that Forty Brethren had given it as their sense that it did so teach whenas it appeared that many of the Meeting who also had put their hands to the account given of the Meeting as aforesaid were not Principled that it ought so to teach as R. B. saith it doth and being for the satisfaction of many desired to shew the Sentence that so imported he refused so to do and doubtless the real Reason of his so doing was guilt upon his Conscience for that he could not tell where to find it I also find in the said Paper that Robert Barclay in one place Affirms to this purpose That there never will nor can be wanting in case of Controversy the Spirit of God to give Judgment thorough some or other in the Church of Christ so long as any assembly can properly or in any tolerable supposition be so termed and that he Declares the Words are sound and so he hath concluded as the said Paper imports That 't is disobedience to God not to submit to the sentence of such Assemblies though the Persons refusing to submit pretend they see it not Here also I cannot but Observe That 't is unreasonable for any to conclude that I Judge the Sentence sound for I testifie 't is Erroneous and never assented or thought it otherwise and that there is no consistency in Truth between that which he declares to be his further meaning thereon and the words in his Book Which cannot but appear by comparing his further meaning in the said Letter and his Book together The said Paper doth further manifest that Robert Barclay thus in his Book asserted viz. That the Antient Apostolick Order of the Church of Christ is re-stablisht on its Right Basis and Foundation and that his meaning therein was not onely with respect to all the Outward Orders and Forms of Discipline in Government amongst the People called Quakers but with Respect to the Power of God which is the Great Order of the Gospel and that though Robert Barclay hath given these Explications of his meaning yet the very Explications as he saith are to be Found in his Book Let the Judicious Reader Consider whether this can any way credit Robert Barclay or the Second Dayes Meeting that approved his Book as evidence that it cannot I say that all the Outward Orders and Forms of Discipline in Government amongst the People called Quakers do not appear to be the Antient Apostolick Order of the Church of Christ and that I have sufficiently evidenced in my Answer and if so how can his Meaning be according to truth Secondly 'T is true that the Power of God is the great Order of the Gospel and is of ability to Establish us but we not of ability to Establish it and therefore whatever Robert Barclay may say 't is not rational to conclude that according to his Meaning when he writ that Sentence it had Relation to any thing but Outward Orders and Forms of Discipline in Government and as to his saying that the very Explications are to be found in his Book I Affirm on a further Diligent Search that there is no such Explications to be found therein and I hope those who have a concern on their Spirit for Truth will do me so much Right as to Examine his Book since the Case by the spreading of the said Paper under my Name is brought to a narrow issue for now 't is easily to be manifested whether herein I have wronged Robert Barclay or whether Robert Barclay is not wrong and the Second Dayes Meeting too whil'st they Justify and own his Book In the said Paper 't is thus further said viz. This further lies upon me to signify unto you on behalf of Robert Barclay I am satisfied that he is not Principled as I and many by some passages in his Book took him to be and since it is so that many have taken an offence against him for that cause and as may be doubted even so far as to reject his Testimony and Service for the Truth it lies upon me as my Duty even for his and the Truths Sake to warn all that they take heed not
to entertain a prejudice against his Testimony on Jelousies that may enter on the score of any apprhensions or mistakes of his Book and that Answer that I have given thereto but rather in an unprejudiced Spirit to wait on the Lord to feel and Savour his Testimony even as if the occasion taken had never been This Caution plainly appears to be written on this Charitable foot that would be unjust to measure his present Testimony in publick by his Errours in his Book or from Jealousyes or mistakes of any kind whatsoever And as to these words any apprehensions or mistakes of his Book and that Answer I have given thereto it doth not follow that I mistook or Misapprehended his Book for had I so done I would plainly have confest the same The said Paper as I am Informed is termed my Paper of Condemnation this I suppose is taken from these words that I find written therein viz. I do freely confess that inasmuch as I Publisht my Book before I gave Robert Barclay notice of my Objections and Intentions therein I acted in that respect not according to Gospel Order but am Justly worthy of Blame therein as to this I have this to say that though I confess my self Blame worthy not acting so civil as became me to my acquaintance for that I writ not to him that I Intended to Answer his Book yet I in no respect took Blame to my self more than so and to speak the Naked Truth I rather took more Blame to my self than the Case did require being no way inclined to Extinuate that which I thought was not so Civil as became me I dare not say evil for I really thought that he was in Holland and so knew not where to write to him when I intended to Answer some Passages in his Book but yet alwaies did and still do Justific the spreading abroad of my Answer and that I had no Obligations to send him a Copy thereof since all the Copyes I had Leisure to write were little enough to clear my Conscience by endeavouring to undeceive those who either were or might be deceived by his Book And if by that eminent Preacher's aforesaid earnest Pressing to alterations at a time when I gave not my self up to discourse with any there be any such Word as not according to Gospel Order I must say that Word is rather the Word of that other Persons than any thing freely coming from me For I must say again I am not conscious of any Blame unless my not writing a few Lines to Robert Barclay to signify my Intentions may be termed blame worthy for his Indeavours if he should have been so minded to call in his Book would not have Obstructed my writing that Answer I did because his Book was so spread that 't was out of his Power to call them in and inasmuch as this Book could not be so Properly called a Particular Trespass against me as a Reproach to the Truth in General and the Profession thereof I cannot account my spreading an Answer to detect the Errours a breach of Gospel Orders though not sent to him first Besides t is Observable that the aforesaid account given by Charles Marshall and Thirty six Persons more on this occasion signifies nothing of my acknowledgment to have acted contrary to Gospel-Order And as to the Paper given forth by Charles Marshall and Thirty Six other Persons I have this to say that 't is hereby manifest that the Second Days Meeting in London approved Robert Barclay's Book of Government and so consequently are Approvers of the Errour and False Doctrine therein contained That his Book is Erroneous and doth contain False Doctrine I sufficiently manifested and is more largely treated on in my Answer and if it appeared not to the Meeting as they say it did not I am sorry it should be so but I know it did appear to several of the Meeting and yet I must confess I wonder not at such a Testimony since I certainly know some of the Subscribers of the said Paper have been exercised so much to preach False Doctrine for Sound as that I account such improper Judges of what is False Doctrine and what Sound and as to the rest not so accostomed I hope 't is no worse than the Fruit of their dull hearing or want of Memory However my great Satisfaction is that every unprejudiced Person hath Opportunity to inform himself by a serious Perusal of Robert Barclay's Book without either giving Credit to them or me barely because we so affirm And whereas they thus say And hath dispersed his Manuscript in several parts of this Nation without so much as first giving either to the said Robert Barclay or the Second Days Meeting any Account of his Scruples contrary to all Rules of Brotherly-Love Christian-Fellowship Gospel-Order and the Exemplary Practice of the Church of Christ to the Defamation of the said Robert Barclay the great Derogation from the Christian Authority of the said Meeting and the General Disservice of Truth If by this they mean that my sending abroad my Manuscript was contrary to the Rules of Brotherly-Love c. I utterly disown that Testimony as Erroneous for I have sufficiently proved both by Word and my Manuscript that Robert Barclay's Book is Erroneous containing false Doctrine and inasmuch as 't was Publickly spread abroad to the Dishonour of God and Truth a Concern for the Truth came upon me to discover that Errour that the Souls of the Simple might not be deceived and Inasmuch as I knew that had he been willing to call in his Book yet it could not take off the Obligation on me for 't was out of his Power to call them all in being so publickly dispersed I thought it not my Duty to give him or the Second-Dayes Meeting Copy thereof first yet as soon as my leisure permitted I sent Copy to London directed to Steven Crisp and another publick Person that so when I came to London as afterwards I did they might if I had comitted any Errour therein have treated me according to the merit thereof but when I came to London no one accused my Answer as erroneous in any Respect and if there was any neglect to peruse it 't was their Fault and not mine since there was Opportunity for the said Subscribers to view it for I manifested that I had it with me at the Meeting held as aforesaid and though I desired the Priviledge to make use of it before the Meeting to help my Memory even as Robert Barclay made use of his yet being then desired to forbear I made no use thereof at the Meeting However if they have this to say it was their Duty to have perused it before they had given a Judgement that my dispersing the said Manuscript c. is to the Defamation of the said Robert Barclay the great Derogation of the Christian Authority of the said Meeting and General Disservice of Truth c. but I certainly know all that
the Truth those who refuse so to Assent may be subject to an Excommunication by G. E. and his Adherents from the Meetings of the Men. Besides it hath been an Observation of late That these Questions or Questions to the like Import have been frequently ask't by such with whom we cannot be at Unity in all things viz. Are you for Womens-Meetings Meaning distinct Womens-Meetings from Men Amongst whom under Pretence of Taking Care of the Poor another thing seems to be more chiefly aimed at as anon will be made appear Are you for Recording Condemnations Meaning thereby whether the Parties who have Condemned their Failings and through the Mercies of the Lord have been Restored and their Offences blotted out and forgiven by him Assent thereto or no Are you for Settled Mouthly and Quarterly-Meetings touching Outward Business since those who would have Meetings as occasion offers are accounted Designers to throw down all Meetings for Outward Business relating to the Affairs of Truth And when these or such like Questions have been askt of Friends in Truth that could not answer thereto Yea we are sensible that it hath been taken by many Adherents to G. F. as a sufficient token of a Dark Leavened Rending Dividing Spirit and meerly as we take it from an Apprehension that the Form they stand for is thereby struck at though the Services would be effectually performed in another Method as Experience in the Counties of Westmoreland and Wilts have of late testified for were it not so that great Stress is laid upon the Outward Form of Things prescribed to be practised How comes it to pass that John Story is Articled against by Robert Barrow of Kendal and Twenty-Six other Persons as in the Second Part of this ‖ Meaning the afore-said Historical Manuscript Treatise Section the Fourth appears on this wise in the Fifth Article viz. John Story speaking amongst many Friends of the Danger of Forms because of the Consequences that might follow said That amongst the Christians of old the Differences that did arise were about Forms which could not be seasonable Words when we were Establishing the Churches in the Holy Order of Truth Much more might be Collected from the Articles being Forty-Four in Number Exhibited by the afore-said Robert Barrow c. to shew How Earnestly and Zealously the very Outward Form of Things is contended for Which occasions us in all Seriousness of Spirit thus to say May the Lord God of Heaven and Earth so Preserve his People that they may not be ensnared by those who have raised so great Contention about the Outward Forms of Things prescribed to be Practised amongst the Professors of Truth lest they with them prove to be Boasters Proud Blasphemous False Accusers Despisers of those that are Good which are the very Marks and Tokens of those who had a Form of Godliness but denyed the Power thereof From whom the Apostle exhorts to turn away And how far these Marks rest upon many of those who so earnestly contend for their Outward Forms we leave to the Impartial Reader with the Light of Christ to Judge when he hath throughly perused this †Meaning the afore-said Historical Manuscript Treatise especially the Second Part. Oh Friends The serious Consideration of these things bows us before the Lord and in a Sense of his Mercies to us we can no longer keep Silence but in his Fear declare unto all That our Consciences are concerned for the Cause of God and his Truth And since it is so that an ill Use is made of that Spirit of Forbearance and Condescension which we are sensible hath been used by many of our Brethren it is now become our Portion to unburthen our selves of that which hath been our Burthen believing that the Lord is not only Arisen but will yet more and more Arise Against that Spirit that would Exalt it self over the Heritage of God endeavouring to Rule over their Consciences whenas Christ alone is Lord thereof It may be now worthy our Observation to consider whether any Encouragement was given by our Lord and Master Christ Jesus whilst on Earth unto his Disciples to become Rulers one over another We find that he Exhorts his Disciples Judge not that ye be not Judged Be not ye called Rabbi Matth. 7.1 23.8 for one is your Master even Christ and all ye are Brethren But he that is Greatest amongst you shall be your Servant and whosoever shall Exalt himself shall be Abased and he that shall Humble himself shall be Exalted Here 's no good ground to believe that Christ intended that when he was departed his Disciples should be Exalting themselves one over another as Governours and Rulers And if we consult the Scriptures of Truth we shall find that though his Disciples had a Dependency upon him whilst in his Bodily Appearance to be their Leader yet he tells them John 16.7 13. It is expedient for you that I go away for if I go not away the Comforter will not come unto you But if I depart I will send him unto you And he will guide you into all Truth for he shall not speak of himself Had it been so that Christ Jesus intended the Exaltation of one of his Disciples as an Head or Supreme unto whom the rest ought to have had an Eye in a more particular Manner than ordinary he would have undoubtedly signified so much But doubtless he saw that their Eye and Dependency was too much on his Outward and Bodily Appearance and therefore signified 'T is expedient I go hence that the Comforter come Agreeable to which are the Apostles Words Though we have known Christ after the Flesh yet hence-forth know we Him no more that is to say After the Flesh no more All which doth clearly demonstrate unto us It 's not according to the Will of God that under this Administration we should have our Eyes out unto Man but that our great Dependency should be on that Comforter the Spirit of Truth which Christ testified The Father would send in his Name to teach us all Things and that this Comforter should be In us And therefore on this Occasion 't is with us to give this further Testimony That every Member of the Body of Christ is through the Death of Christ made Dead unto any other Law save the Law of the Spirit of Life manifested through the Arising of Christ by his Appearance in every such Member and so as particular Members are become Marryed unto him And having all Fellowship each with other in the Spirit those who are such ought to demean themselves each towards other full of Love Charity Bowels of Compassion Long-suffering Forbearance Meekness Humility Patience Gentleness and of all other Virtues that are the Fruit of the Spirit of God But as to Obedience every Member owes that unto Christ his Head unto whom 2 Cor. 10.5 Every Thought according to the Testimony of the Apostle Paul ought to be brought into Obedience Thus
into the North much Writing was occasioned in Relation thereto which being not my present Purpose to Treat of I here omit That now the Reader may have an Understanding of that Sense and Judgment that was with John Wilkinson and John Story in relation to those Five Heads from whence all the before-mentioned Forty-Four Articles do spring I think meet to Cite their Testimony in Relation thereto read at the Meeting at Drawel And then comparing such their Sense and Judgment with those Antient and Faithful Testimonies of many labouring Friends in the Gospel of Peace who changed not their way since they became Publishers thereof to the Day they fell asleep it may then easily be savoured from what Spirit all the Mire and Dirt that hath been cast up against our Antient and yet Honourable Friends John Wilkinson and John Story hath sprung Their said Testimony now follows ON the whole Matter in the Fear and Presence of the Amighty God we declare That as we do approve of Monthly and Quarter-Meetings for the necessary Service of the Truth so we further say That as these or any other Meetings of Friends in Tenth shall be continued to answer these Services we believe that as it now is it also will become our Duty to be at Vnity with our Brethren in the Services thereof And though one of us viz. John Wilkinson did condescend to subscribe to a Paper for the Execting a Womans-Meeting in the Country to answer the Ends in the Paper proposed which he testifies he then did in Singleness of Heart for Vnity's sake Yet according to that inward Sense we now have there appears to us no Absolute Necessity to continue Womens-Meetings in this Country distinct and separate from the Men and therefore do Conscientiously forbear to Assent or Encourage to lay the Intentions of Marriages before them Yet that Inward Sense and Heavenly Vnderstanding we haue received from God hath and yet doth confirm us in this Iudgment That 't is not agreeable with the Line of Truth to oppose others in the Exercise and appointed Service of the said Meetings as here-to-fore and yet settled and agreed upon who being Conscientious therein are otherwise minded than we are And if any of our Words and Actions have had any Tendency to oppose c. which we are not Conscious of but if we were we would readily confess we say the Truth in us would have Condemned it even as it now doth And if it shall please the Lord to manifest unto us a Service in those Meetings in the Country as well as Cities the same Integrity towards God which hath dwelt with us these many Years past we believe will become a Bond on us to joyn Hand and Heart with others our Brethren and Sisters therein But till then our Desires are That this may not become an Occasion of Straitness of Spirit each towards other but that Embracing the wholesom Counsel of the Apostle in another Case If in any thing ye are otherwise-minded wait till God reveal we may walk together in that pure undefiled Love of our God which thinketh no Evil. That though many of our Brethren see a Service in Recording Condemnations and Leaving them upon Record to Posterity yet from that Inward Sense and Heavenly Vnderstanding we have we see no Necessity to leave them upon Record to Posterity or retain them when the Sin is blotted out and remitted by the Lord neither to be extended further than the Offence is known nor yet to continue longer than the Memory of the Offence abideth But if any see meet from an Inward Sense of Truth in themselves to leave such Testimonies relating to themselves to Posterity we have there-with Vnity That this our Sense may be no Occasion of Straitness of Spirit each towards others is the Earnest Desire of our Souls who desire the Prosperity of Truth and Peace amongst all the Churches of God As to Tythes We can in truth say 'T was never so much as in our Hearts to speak any Words whatsoever with the least Intent to Strengthen any in the Payment thereof nor yet to weaken the Faith of any having a Testimony in our Hearts that Tythes as at this Day paid are Anti-christian That as Groanings Sighing Soundings and Singings may proceed from Deceitful Spirits so also we declare Groanings Sighing Soundings and Singings may be the Fruit of the Spirit of the Lord amongst God's People And that as the First is Discouraged the Second ought to be Encouraged And the Earnest Desires of our Souls are That as to these Things nothing but the Spirit of Truth and sound Iudgment may appear either to Reprove or to Encourage And though we have been Accused as if we were Opposers of such Groanings c. which the Truth approveth yet God is our Witness we know it not That though we have been represented as Persons Encouraging Fleeing in Time of Persecution We say we are not Conscious to our selves of so doing For we believe those who stand not to their Testimony but flee there-from in the Day of Persecution may truly be accounted either Weak in the Faith or Departing from the Faith And thus having given our Inward Sense according to the Vprightness and Integrity of our Hearts concerning these Five General Heads from whence all the Forty-Four Articles do arise we shall with this conclude That the God of Heaven is our Witness our Desires are to approve our selves Men of Peace in the Abhorrency of all Fleshly Liberty and Loosness and to follow after Truth and Righteousness that the Regin of the Power of the Eternal God may be over all so will the Kingdoms of this World become the Kingdoms of our Lord and his Christ As to the Two Questions Answered by the Friends and Brethren met on this Occasion We in the Fear of the Lord say We in the Proposing thereof had not the least Thoughts to obtain your Yea and Nay with intent thereby to strengthen such who may be accounted our Party in any thing that 's contrary to Truth nor to encourage Loosness or Bad Spirits But conscientiously to remove the Scruples of some And further we say We are better satisfyed with your Explication therein than with your bare Yea and Nay For that we as well as you are sensible Apostates and Bad Spirits seeking a Fleshly Liberty have made use of Arguments deducible from such Principles of Truth to oppose the Power of God it self and the Practice of God's People in the Power John Wilkinson John Story 'T is now worthy the Readers Notice That G. F. takes occasion to write unto John Wilkinson and John Story sometime after the Meeting at Drawel which being Cited in the Eighth Section of the Second Part of the before-mentioned Manuscript together with Answer thereto pertinent on this Occasion I think meet here to Transcribe the same together with those Observations that are made thereon in the said Section THis is the Word of the Lord to you John
Wilkinson and John Story and your Company to call in all your Papers which ye have given forth in your Separation which tend to nothing but disquieting Friends Minds and bring them into Strife Jangling and vain Disputing and corrupt their Minds and draw them from better Things and from the Lord and his Peaceable Truth And you may see if you will not shut your Eyes what your Spirit begetteth into viz. Strife and what Spirit is it that hath led and guided you So if you do not give over your Work and Separation the Lord God will blast your Spirit and Work and you will become hardned and as bad as the old Opposers James Naylor and his Company and John Perrot and Pennyman and Cobet and Muggleton Mark your End for the Seed of Life Reigns and will grind to Powder its Opposers This 23 d. of 8 th M on 76. George Fox To the afore-said Letter John Wilkinson returned this ensuing Answer George Fox I Received thy Lines in which thou say'st This is the Word of the Lord to you John Wilkinson and John Story and your Company to call in all your Papers which you have given forth in your Separation c. I judge thou meanest not that that is a Separation that all Friends meet not Outwardly together Truly George we might have expected thou would have told us in Love what the Separation thou speakest of consisted in whether we are separated from the Light within the Doctrine of Truth or have builded again that which we have once destroyed or what we have left undone that God's Truth in our Hearts requires of us and what Papers we have given forth against the Light Within When the Word through thee concerning this Matter enters our Hearts and gives Light to us that the Light of Truth manifests us guilty of a Separation from God's Truth and Giving out Papers against it we shall readily confess it and Repent But till we know it the Word of the Lord that is as a Hammer and thy Prophesies be to them who are in the Separation and in Strife causing Divisions viz. with Articles of Accusations disquieting Friends Minds with a New Form and Way of Proceeding carryed on with a Profession of Church-Authority and great Help which indeed was seldom wanted in a Separation from Truth when the Apostacy entred And truly there is great Cause of Iealousie what will be the End of these Things Thou shouldst have told us what new Things we have brought in as bad as the old Opposers James Naylor and his Company and John Perrot and Pennyman c. before thou hadst told us The Lord God would blast your Spirit and Work And if James Naylor's Opposition consisted in Not Reproving his Company when they bowed to him and cryed Hosanna let it be a Warning to thee and Reprove thy Company when they give thee the Titles and Honour due to the Highest lest they that love Preheminence and Rule out-live thy Time and render thy Weakness to others as thou hast done his when thou art Dead and in thy Grave turned to Dust Therefore be Humble as a Member of the Heavenly Body under Christ the Head who Ruleth in his Church and People whose Right it is And remember the word to Moses with the time and place of his Death who sanctified not God in the sight of Israel his people Oh! well may Friends be called Apostates in their Day and be Curst of Men when they are Dead whose Condemnations are left on Record by others to Posterity in the Churches Books seeing James Naylor by thee is called an Old Opposer who confest his Weakness Repented and Dyed in Truth and Peace with God But George we might have been perswaded that thy Counsel and Advice thou gavest to the Churches in writing is greatly abused and we cannot Judge how thou couldst intend Force or such a way of proceeding with Friends about them That which I see at present tending to Vnity is for thee to Manifest what thou intendedst by them if thou intendest no force with them which thou couldst not do in Truth for that would let thee see Divisions would be the effect of them then manifest the Abuse they have done to thee and thy Counsel to Friends by their proceedings about them that we may know that thou art the same in Principle in Doctrine and Practice as in the beginning when thy Testimony was recommended to the Witness of God in all Consciences that thou mayst clear thy self that thou approvest of no Force about Religion but the Force and Effect of the Word delivered that the encrease may be of God and we all unto whom Gods Love hath been large may have Vnity in Truth as in the Beginning The 9th Mth. 76. From thy Friend John Wilkinson Unto this Letter George Fox gives this ensuing Answer John Wilkinson I Received thy Letter as I judge Subscribed J. W. wherein thou wouldst seem to shuffle off that which I writ to Thee and John Story and the rest as the Word of the Lord to you and that I should have told you Wherein you were Separated and what Papers you have given forth contrary to the Light and Truth c. Your Paper of your Eighty Subscribers is not from the Light of Christ nor as it was in the Beginning which you sent up and down and if it was not to beget into Strife Why did you send it to Carlisle and up and down to other Places and another Paper lately that you have sent besides all your other Papers And as for my Papers or Writings that I have been moved of the Lord to give forth I know no Friends that do abuse them if thou knowest any thou shouldst have mentioned them And if thow wer 't not Blind who art gone from the Light of Christ and the Spirit by which thou wast first Convinced thou wouldst see that I am the same as I was in the Beginning And as for thy Fear of making Force in Religion there is nothing but what is Pure can come into it But look into your own Paper wherein you say None of your own County nor other Counties must sit amongst your Chosen Men but whom you have given Power unto c. But I say as Christ said unto you He that Believes is Saved and he that Believes not is Condemned already And thy Neighbours and all that have been concerned with you do know what you are Separated from And I say also You are Separated from that Power and Spirit which did first Convince you for if not you would have been in Unity with me as at the first And thou hadst better have taken the Word of the Lord patiently and not resisted it But it seems it has been as a Fire unto Thee and You. For it was sent in Tenderness and Care unto you and for your Good though thou wouldst make thy self ignorant of what Separation you were gone into For you are separated from the Inward Light and Spirit that
but to stir up Strife and to sow Discord But Are not David and Manasses and Peter and many others their Sins recorded and their Repentances and Changing recorded in the Holy Scriptures And What needs John VVilkinson be afraid and trouble himself about the Recording the Condemnation of Sin and the Resurrection of the Just But Who has cursed David or Peter or any other whose Condemnation of Sin and Repentance and turning from it is Recorded or called them Apostates And What Spirit is this in John Wilkinson that would not have such Things recorded now which the Spirit of Truth recorded in former Ages Surely it is not the Spirit of God nor Light of Christ For if they be Sins private that only the Church knows them then they go no further than the Church But if they be open Sins to the World amongst Sinners then their Condemnation and Repentance must go as far as the Fact is known But if John VVilkinson be afraid lest he should be Curst and his Company and counted Apostates to Posterity if their Failings Sins and Transgressions should be Recorded Truly without your Repentance they will be Recorded and it would be well if you did Repent and Condemn them for then your Resurrection would be Recorded out of this Apostacy Else you need not question standing upon Record And they that have been led by you into a Separation and now come off from you do not bless you as several have declared So you bring that upon your selves which you think to avoid But Why shouldst Thou and You be so afraid of having your Repentance from Sin and Evil Actions recorded which you have committed in grieving God's Spirit and his People and opening the Mouthes of the World without a Fear of being Curst or counted Apostates Is this the Cause you would hide your Sins and have no Testimony given forth against you If Thou and You have such a Love to them Thou and You may keep them but the Truths Testimony will stand against all that is out of the Truth And there are Condemnations upon Record ever since 1652. so no new thing amongst us but according to the Light of Christ But the Lord knows I would have nothing but what is Pure to Rule and Reign and all Sin and Evil to be Condemned and that which is Private to be only amongst Friends and that which is Publick to be publickly Condemned to the World And if the World should say Such a one did so or so there is a Testimony upon Record that such an one was Converted and Translated to Posterity as David was from the Evil to Good and from the Darkness to the Light And had you continued in the Light of Christ Jesus and in his Spirit that led the Saints to condemn those Evils which are Recorded in Scripture and to Glorify God in their Resurrection you would never have been in Opposition against the Church of Christ's Practice now in such things by the same Spirit you call it a New Way And that which would not have Sin and Evil condemned and condemns that which Records it is for Condemnation For instead of being Curst as thou sayest them that do condemn Sin and Evil and arise out of that which is condennied and this being Recorded to Posterity the Church and their Relations can testify to their Change and their Dying in the Lord. But I am sorry for you the Lord God of Heaven knows that you should dishonour the Lord God and his Truth and People in the North and have separated from the Light and Spirit that did first Convince you For had you been in the Love and Spirit you would have been in the same Love in the same Gentleness and Meekness and Wisdom that is pure and easie to be intreated as it was in the Beginning And so you have lost that Glory that was in the Beginning and your Nakedness is discovered that the Priests Justices and Drunkards can say That the Quakers are Separate one from another And look into your selves if there be not a Froward Stubborn Self-willed Spirit and Rough and Short that now may talk of the Light of Christ and of the Spirit and would have Liberty but is to be Reproved and well it would be for you if you would turn at the Reproof And whereas thou speakest of a Way of coming into Unity Alack for thee If thou wast in the Universal Spirit and Power of God that is over All thou wouldst not make such a Noise about Imposition For indeed it is the very Spirit of Imposition in Thee and You that does not know what it would be at it self nor to what to bring others And much I could say as to that But that whereby you may come into Unity it must be in the Unlimited Power and Spirit and Light that did first Convince you and brought you into Unity and Meeting without Prescription of your Elders or Deacons or your Members So your Way to come into Unity is to come to the Light and Spirit that did first Convince you and Judge and Condemn this Spirit that hath led you into Separation with all its Works since And then in that Spirit there is no Fear of Imposition but Everlasting Unity in the Everlasting Seed that bruises the Head of the Serpent and all his Sons of Belial that are without the Yoak and are afraid of it Now there are them that would not be Yoaked with the Law of God nor with the Gospel nor with the Word of God which is a Hammer and a Fire and this is counted Imposition by such to be Yoaked and Hammered down and to be Reproved and Rebuked and Admonished this is Imposition and Over-driving though the Power and Spirit of the Everlasting God leads to it which Spirit of God sanctifies and exalts God with a sanctifyed Spirit and reproves all that which dishonours him or would defile and walks not in the Spirit by which the Body of Christ is Baptized and made to drink into And the Spirit of God charged and warned and reproved all the Unruly and charged the Faithful to stand fast and Admonished as in the Scriptures may be plentifully seen And what Is this Imposition and Force think you which God's Spirit led the Prophets and Apostles unto and had no Fellowship but with them that Walked in the same Spirit Or Will you say There is not the same Holy-Ghost now as was then Yes I must tell you the same and all that keep in it are in the Holy and Eternal Fellowship and it leads to the same Practice now as then And all such as the Apostles admonished to have no Fellowship withal as in their Epistles and in Jude Might not those have cryed Imposition as well as you And whereas thou speakest of a New Way and a New Form carryed on with Church-Authority c. This is the Priests Old Spirit that used to tell us of our New Way and Where was our Religion Twenty Years ago But
of the Heavenly Body leadeth into but about Prescriptions from thee through the Blind Zeal of the Weak to promote thy Orders It may be feared many do eye more the Orders from thee than they eye the Lord in them Accusing and Iudging all out of Truth that practise not with all freed from them using all Force they can devise according to the Power they have to compel all unto them Censuring all Friends out of Unity that come not to Practise with them which is the greatest Penalty and Persecution they can inflict for want of Ourward Power And many Friends think it Godliness to Accuse and Condemn their Brethren about Outward Things before the Accused with Truth be led into them George for the Love of God and for his Peoples sake open thy Mind plainly what thou intended by them and make it known unto Friends if thou intended Counsel unto the Church only and no Compelling into the particular Things to Practise but commending to God 's Witness in all Consciences to be led into the Exercise and Practice thereof as every one is inwardly perswaded of God in each particular and not before If thou so do it would much clear Thee and thy Orders from being the Cause of Division for Iniquity worketh in a Mystery in many that think it Godliness to Accuse and Condemn their Brethren about Outward Things as I said before which was the Cause of great Strife in former Ages But if thou open not thy Mind to Friends and deal plainly and testify Thou never intended that any who is Faithful inwardly to God should either be Accused or Condemned about thy Orders and so let thy prudent Care appear about these Things the Breach amongst Friends and Brethren is in great Danger to grow wider and then I fear the Cause of Divisions will lye at thy Door which God Almighty in his Mercy prevent and raise Thee up to put a Stop unto for the Enemy of Truth hath taken occasion from thy Orders to work and beget a False Birth in many even Night-Visions and False Prophesies as the Number of Accusations and angry Proceedings about them of late declare which was not before in our Age Neither did Heads nor Horus of the Dragon appear to cast down the Holy People by lying against them saying That they oppose the Holy Orders And by approving of such Proceedings is Satan let lose in our Time to deceive and all that see his Transformings he casts Flouds out of his Mouth against them to carry them away and casts such to the Earth wanting nothing to effect his Designe but the Outward Power to carry them on to Kill For his Wrath is against them that keep the Testimony of Jesus Christ and such he accuseth of Fleshly Liberty and Loose Walking and of being Separatists and Hereticks George I desire thee once again to warn all Friends that they neither Accuse nor Condemn one another any more about the afore-said Things for if that do continue amongst Friends it will cause a great Falling away and God will visit with great Iudgments that the Profession of Great Power and Church-Authority will not save from while the Accuser of the Brethren in such that is deeply in it is not cast down It is not the Transforming of Satan into a Shape of Austerity and forming Power to fright the Simple into this or that Outward Observation we have waited for nor laboured after nor a Feigned Profession of overcoming Love in words that can deceive us Blessed be God for his Gifts of Light for ever more when such are bitterly smiting their Fellow-Servants and filling Mens Minds with False Accusations that even our Holy Profession is defiled What I desire of thee is not for fear of more Acousations nor False Prophecies they do not move me from the Hope of the Gospel But I desire it for Thy Good and the Churches Prosperity and Peace For an Image of the Government of Christ consisting in Outward Prescriptions attended with Force over the Inward Man we never expected in this Gospel-Day to bite and devour one another about but the Inward and Peaceable Government of Christ to govern the Members of his own Body the true Church into all Practices according to Godliness And we are bound to follow him our Redeemer who knits together in the Autient Unity and breaks not the Holy Fellowship amongst Brethren I have cleared my Conscience which was concerned in the Remembrance of thee desiring thou mayst quit thy self with Truth in all Things in thy latter Dayes that thy End may be Crowned with True Honour Thy Friend in Truth John Wilkinson POST-SCRIPT WHat Spirit or Motion thy Prescriptions were from is not my Concern but I need not ask Whether the Holy-Ghost or the Spirit of Guile Force and Compelling have attended them if Trees in our Age may be truly known by their Fruits The 9th Month 76. To this Letter John Wilkinson saith he never received Answer which considering the Contents thereof and comparing it with what G. F. hath writ in Answer to his former Letter is just occasion of Jealousie that G. F. intended Compulsion so far as he was capable as well as Counsel and that the Weight and Burthen of all the Ill Consequences attending the late Divisions amongst Friends will lye at G. F's Door since he hath been so carnestly prest to give his Sense touching these things which have occasioned the Division and yet hath either Impertinently done it as his Answer to John Wilkinson's first Letter before-mentioned doth manifest or else hath not given Answer to the Parties concerned Which is evident not only from his not causing an Answer to be delivered unto John Wilkinson's last recited Letter but also from the like Neglect unto William Rogers who writ him Two large Letters for the Clearing of his Conscience c. The Two Letters written by me unto G. F. do now follow Bristol the 27th of the 1st Month 1677. George Fox IN a bowed down Spirit to God that my Pen may not commit a Tittle of Error to this Paper either by Want of Plainness on the one Hand or Taking too much upon me on the other do I now write unto thee in expectation that thou wilt have a right Savour of my Integrity to the Truth and so much Charity if thou apprehend I herein Err as to inform me wherein For my Hope is that I shall for ever have a ready Ear to hear and a ready Mind to weigh any Instruction though but from the Meanest of the Flock much more from an Elder Brother Thine of the 14 th of the 11 th Month I received but have nothing upon me to write as Answer thereto not being willing to strive Yet through a Sense of the present and increasing Distractions amongst Friends I have somewhat on my Spirit to clear my Conscience as in the Sight of God having a certain Sight Sense and Knowledge that many honest-hearted Friends as well as my self remain for the Truths
his Mother The 1100 Shekels of Silver that were taken from thee about which thou cursedst and spakest also in mine Ears behold the silver is with me I took it and his mother said Blessed be thou of the Lord my Son and when he had restored the 1100 Shekels of Silver to his Mother his Mother said I had wholly dedicated the Silver unto the Lord from my Hand for my Son to make a Graven-Image and a Molten-Image now therefore I will restore it thee yet he restored the money to his Mother and his Mother took 200 Shekels of Silver and gave them to the Founder who made thereof a Graven-Image and a Molten Image and they were in the house of Micah and the man Micah had an house of God's The Quotation is enough to shew that she was an Idolatrous Woman and though it may be said it is but a question askt yet in answer it may be said that if G. F's real judgment be so that she was not a virtuous woman he hath manifested thereby a scoffing Spirit but to manifest that such an Answer appears but a meer shift the reader may observe that about thirteen lines following he thus saith So these and such women are recorded to Posterity for their Wisdom and their Virtue The second Quotation Page 43. And the woman of Tekoah see what a Sermon she preacht to King David 2 Sam. 13.14 The Scripture quoted informs us that the woman was a subtile woman whom Joab caused to feign her self as a Mourner and go to King David with a lying story in her mouth which accordingly she did For when King David asked her is not the hand of Joab with thee in all this she answered Joab put all these words in her mouth so that if it were really so that she had been the Occasion of pacifying King David's wrath yet it might more truly be said that she deceived King David by her Lyes than convinced him besides though the story was framed by Joab for the sake of Absalom who slew his Brother Amnon and therefore fled yet it appears that King David was appeased as to his Son Absalom as in 2 Sam. 13.39 before the woman came to him with Lyes in her mouth We now commend it to the Consciences of all to consider how this Lying story can be called a Good and Convincing Sermon and be an evidence of a Virtuous Woman for in a very few lines after it 's said as before These and such women are recorded to posterity for their Wisdom and their Virtue The Third Quotation Page 23. And the Women had their assemblies in the daies of the Iudges and the Kings Now old Ely was not against the Assemblies of the Women who assembled by Troops as you may see in the 1st Sam. 2.21 22. though some men now adayes may be against Womens Meetings or Assemblies in the Gospel Times and against womens speaking and prophecying c. The Scripture quoted tells us thus So Ely was old and heard all that his Sons did unto Israel and how they lay with the Women who assembled at the Door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation which only proves that there was an Assembly of Men and women at the Door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation who committed evil together At the first view this seemed so abominable a Quotation to prove the Assemblies of purified women under the Gospel distinct form purified men to be necessary which is the end wherefore 't was as we take it quoted that we were concerned to inform our selves from the Scriptures to what end women assembled before the Door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation and we find by a Marginal Note in the Scriptures that it was as the Hebrews write after their Travel when they came to be purified as in Leviticus the 12th and 6th where it 's thus said Now when the dayes of her purifying are fulfilled she shall bring to the Priest a Lamb of one year old for a Burnt-Offering and a young Pigeon or Turtle Dove for a Sin-Offering unto the Door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation which gives us occasion thus to query How can Women coming in order to their Purification with a Sin-Offering c. to the Door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation when defiled by the Men that there accompanyed them be a Proof for purified Women under the Gospel to assemble together distinct from purified men The Fourth Quotation Page 32. And likewise you may see Rachel and Leah their Counsel to Jacob who answered Jacob and said unto him is there yet any Portion or Inheritance for us in our Father's house are we not counted of him as strangers for he hath sold us and he hath quite devoured also our money for all the riches that God hath taken from our Father that is ours and our Childrens and now therefore whatsoever God hath said unto thee do this was Rachels and Leahs counsel unto Iacob and were not these three a Church then and did he forbid them from speaking in the Church See Genses 31.14 15 16. This we take to be a Quotation to evidence Womens speaking in the Church to be according to truth but yet we cannot own it to be much if any thing at all better Argument for VVomens speaking in the Church of God when the Church is met to worship the Lord in his Spirit than Womens Discourses with their Husbands about their outward estates doth almost every day produce amongst us and were it so that no better Argument could be produced for the justification of Womens speaking in the Church of God in the sense we have understood speaking in the Church we might be ashamed of our Principle and their Practice The Fifth Quotation Page 42. And the Daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the Daughter of Jeptha Iudges 11th So here they had a Yearly Meeting on this Occasion Our observation now is Jeptha made a vow unto the Lord and thus said If thou shalt deliver the Children of Ammon into my Hand then that thing that cometh out of the Doors of my house to meet me when I come home in peace from the Children of Ammon shall be the Lords and I will offer it for a Burnt-Offering And so it happened that his only Child being a Daughter came out to meet him with Timbrels and Dances and when he saw her he rent his Cloaths and said alas my Daughter but yet at the end of two months did unto her according to his Vow having given her two months time to go to the Mountains with other Virgins to bewail her Virginity which afterwards became a custom in Israel to go Yearly to the Mountains to bewail the Daughter of Jeptha This occasions us to query whether such a meeting occasioned on the Untimely Death of a Virgin for Jeptha's Vow was a Rash Vow can be any Evidence of the Matter which is taken by us to be intended viz. either for Womens speaking in the Church or Womens
he spoke to a People who were redeemed out of those begganly Elements and were come past those Rudiments which is evident by those his words How turn ye again and soâ—e might well exhort such neither to Circumcise nor yet be in the Observation of Dayes for that God hath not usually led into those things which he hath led out of and this might well consist with the truth even at such a time and season when others through a consciencious scruple might in a Plea for both with respect to themselves respectively according to their differing Faith be Uncondemned I shall now leave it to the Consciences of unprejudised Readers whether what G. F. hath said touching Circumcision and Observation of Dayes Meats and Drinks is sufficient to justifie his advising Mary Penington to secure her Estate from the Spoilers when she durst not remove her moveable goods nor made it as her principle and condemn others that are principled so to do querying of such Whether 't is not from the Spirit of the World that lusteth to Envy With this Testimony I shall conclude this my reply to G. F. that I certainly know him to be a Man guilty of many things which he hath condemned in others and forasmuch as he under the form of Government hath prescribed the giving forth of Papers of Condemnation as a proper means whereby such as in his sense are departed from the Truth may be received into Fellowship with some others again so he must expect that some at least of his known Errors and Failings must lie on Record unless he repent and manifest such his Repentance by an Acknowledgment so publickly spread as his Errors and Failings have been not but that an Acknowledgment unto and Repentance before the Lord in some Cases may be sufficient but because as he hath been an Instrument to lay Stumbling-Blocks in the Way of many so he may even as James Naylor did before him by a candid Acknowledgment unto the Lord's People be an Instrument as much as in him lyes to remove such Stumbling-Blocks and so come into Unity again with the Lord and his People in the Truth from which he hath departed William Rogers I now come to take Notice of a Postscript to G. F's Answer written by John Blaykling who lives at Sedbergh in Yorkshire which by the Way puts me in remembrance thus to premise That though G. F. in his Answer to some part of my Paper which he accounted a False Charge hath thus said And I do believe that are there many in Bristol that have not let in Prejudice and Enmity against me that will witness against this False Chrrge Yet I doubt not but he might on as goodground have said the same with respect to John Blaykling and many in other Places though they may know nothing of the Matters whereof they may pretend to vindicate him because I have lately had over and besides what John Blaykling adds in his Postscript no less than six Letters in Vindication of George Fox and condemnation of me right or wrong some whereof are subscribed with Two Letters whose Names thereby I cannot understand and dated from no Place other some with a Name not known to me nor yet dated from any Place this I may justly term a sort of mean and underly work that is so far from adding Credit to G. F's cause as that 't is to me plain enough that he can get a Iohn Blaykling a T. B. or an S. H. to write or sign any thing when written right or wrong that may in his sense tend to his Vindication and my Condemnation And now to proceed As to John Blaykling's Postscript I find it contains about a Sheet of Paper which thus begins Here followeth the Testimony and Certificate from John Blaykling to the clearing of the Aspersions that William Rogers and others would cast upon George Fox as afore-mentioned Therein he gives a large Testimony for George Fox as a man that renders not Evil for Evil that 's blessed with Honour above many Brethren and that thousands will stand by him in an Heavenly Record unto the Integrity of his Soul to Truth that still lives with him that his Life reigns and is Spotless Innocent and still retains his Integrity whose Eternal Honour and Blessed Renown shall remain yea his Presence and the Droping of his Tender VVords in the Lord's Love was my Souls Nourishment On which I observe that if those thousands are such as John Blaykling John Ware and the twenty seven other persons that signed the aforementioned False Certificate they will never add by that Spirit that led them so to testifie as aforesaid unto his nor their own Credit and though in a Dark Spirit they may term it an Heavenly Record yet I testifie such a Record can never bear date from Heaven because nothing that maketh a Lye can therein enter Moreover as John Blaykling hath given so large a Testimony to George Fox's life as Spotless and as one still keeping his integrity to God and his Truth though he is hereby detected of many Lyes which Method of general Applause at so high a rate used by John Blaykling when undeserved is more like a Parasite to an Earthly Prince than a Serious Well meaning Consciencious Christian to a Servant of Christ that seeks not the Praise of Man so on the other hand hath he vilified me at so large a rate as better became the tongue of a Scold than a Sober Man for therein amongst many other prophane and Scandalous unjust Reproaches in general terms without assigning particular Matters of Fact to prove his general Accusations he hath rendred me one that hath cast lying Slanders upon George Fox though no Lye is proved either by him or George Fox to lie at my Door and that also from a Spirit that through its Envy and Rage against the Government of Christ in the hearts of them that believe ceases not with all its devices with Lying Aspersions to defame the Instruments in God's own Hand calling my Paper a Lying Paper to defame the Brethrens Care in the Church of God whenas there is not a word in all my Paper that can bear any such Construction neither doth he quote any of my words that in Truth do manifest what he so asserts and 't is well known that I have been so far from being in Envy and Rage against the Government of Christ in the hearts of them that believe as that it hath been a great Concern of Conscience to me for several years past both by Word and Writing to contend earnestly for the Exaltation of Christ's Government in the hearts of Believers which is clearly manifested by the import of what I have written in Answer to a part of Robert Barclay's Book of Government my Postscript to my Narrative of Passages at Drawel my Answer to the Brethrens so termed Narrative after the Meeting at Drawel several of my Letters to George Fox the Dissatisfactions subscribed by several as well as
us an Answer by the bearer hereof who comes on purpose to bring this and to receive an Answer from thee We are Thy Friends Thomas Gouldney William Ford. William Rogers As before is hinted no Answer is yet come which is ground of Jealousie that G. F. is Author of the said abusive Letter To conclude My Desire now is That every thing herein Treated of may be weighed in the Ballance of the Sanctuary and then I doubt not but that it will appear unto every Understanding Impartial Reader that George For hath been acted by an Erroneous Spirit and been Guilty of many Things reproachful to the Truth for which he ought to Humble himself if peradventure he may be made Partaker of the Mercies of the Lord and then no question but God's peculiar People will have a Sense thereof But until he appear Humbled through That Repentance that 's never to be Repented of his State and Condition is to be lamented of And though 't is not in the Power of any Mortal Man or any Assembly of Men on Earth whatsoever to Excommunicate from amongst the true Members of Christ's Body a Servant of the Living God unto whom through the Obedience of Faith in Christ is given an Earnest of the Great Salvation Yet if any one so outwardly pretending hath acted Erroneously and hath concerned himself Against his Brother at so large a rate as cannot be vindicated unless that Rule which Almighty God as by a Finger from Heaven through his Son Christ Jesus hath laid down viz. By their Fruits ye shall know them be to be esteemed as voyd 't is most just and reasonable to declare That such an one hath cutt him off from being a Member of the Body of Christ by departing from the Rock Christ on which Preservation and Help is laid On this Score I am now concerned in my Conscience thus to declare and conclude That for sometimes past G. F. hath stood in a state of Separation from many of the Lord's People May the God of Heaven give him a true Sight and Sense thereof unto Repentance that so before his Body be turned to Dust from whence it came he may be restored into Fellowship with them again saith my Soul Bristol 1 st Day of the 8 th Moneth 1680. William Rogers THE END AN INDEX Of some of the Chief Matters Treated on A APostacy A Discovery of several things which may be justly termed the Fruits of Apostacy and Innovation and in particular that Iohn Wilkinson and Iohn Story have been Judged and Condemned by Persons that have not heard them speak for themselves as doth appear in an Answer given by Thomas Gouldeny William Forde and William Rogers to a Paper subscribed by Charles Marshall and Sixty-Five more dated at Ellis Hooks his Chamber London the 12 th of the 4 th Month 1677. 2 d. Part p. 72 to 84. Apostolick-Order of the Church of Christ Robert Barclay asserts is Establish't amongst the People called Quakers and by the Scope of his Book of Government his Meaning is with respect to Outward Orders his Sense therein disproved 3 d. Part p. 23 to 33. Authority of the Church in Robert Barclay's Sense 3 d. Part p. 54. The Apostles assumed not Authority to give a Decisive Judgment in a Religious Conscientious Case without being chosen by the Parties differing and then they gave their Judgment according to the Faith both of Jew and Gentile unto whom it did relate 3 d. Part p. 65 66. See Church-Government B BAptisme of Water was the Ministration of Iohn not to continue to the End of the World 2 d. Part p. 45 to 50. The One Baptisme spoken of by Paul was the Baptisme of the Spirit 2 d. Part p. 50. Believers in Robert Barclay's Sense are bound by the positive Sentence and Decision of the Church in Matters of Conscience 3 d. Part p. 54. His Sense and Reasons examined and refuted 3 d. Part p. 54 to 61. Believers in opposite Practices and yet the Christian-Bond of their Fellowship not broken 3 d. Part p. 56. See Isaac Penington's Testimony touching that Authority which Christ excluded out of his Church 3 d. Part p. 89 to 98. This Sentence viz. We must believe as the Church believes Published by one called a Quaker examined and the Truth cleared from such Constructions as may be erroneously imported from thence 3 d. Part p. 73 74. See 1 st Part p. 23 to 27. C CHarity An Objection grounded thereon in favour of our Opposers Answered shewing Fruits of Weakness Presumption Danger of going beyond ones Gift excluding Reason eyeing Man and Things without instead of our inward Teacher The Reason why the Word of Life becomes to some the Savour of Death 1 st Part p. 17 to 22. Charles Marshall a Subscriber with Thirty-Six more of an Unrighteous Paper on the hearing of a Debate between Robert Barclay and William Rogers 3 d. Part p. 128 129. Observations thereon manifesting their Error and Partiality 3 d. Part p. 137 to 140. Christ by his Spirit a Law-giver like unto Moses 3 d. Part p. 9 10. Church-Government Our Sense of our Opposers Meaning touching Church-Government our Denyal of that Meaning and that no just Pretence be under the Notion of Church-Government to claim a Power over Property and Conscience The Doctrine of Robert Barclay importing Power over Property and Conscience refuted and our Sense touching the Method of deciding Controversies laid down An Objection Answered whereby 't is plain that Acceptable Obedience carryes with it Conviction of Conscience and that Christ encouraged not his Disciples to be Rulers over each other 1 st Part p. 44 to 61. See the 3 d. Part p. 35 to 41. Divers Sentences cited out of Robert Barclay's Book of Government importing an Approbation of such a Form of Outward Church-Government by some of the People called Quakers over others so termed wherein they undertake to Teach Traditions Exercise an Authority to Ordain Appoint Command and Rule over others whose Duty in Robert Barclay's Sense 't is to submit and that there lyes an Obligation on such as are gathered to Reverence Honour and Obey such as are set over them 3 d. Part p. 44 45. The said Sentences examined and that which is taken to be his Sense on the Scriptures quoted demonstrated to be a Perversion and that the words Order Rule Command Govern Government Traditions c. will not in the Apostles Sense import an Obligation on any Christian Believer to act any thing relating to Faith or Discipline on a Religious Score whereof by the Grace of God or Light in the Conscience he is not perswaded to be his Duty 3 d. Part p. 46 to 52. Christian-Quaker What he standeth for 1 st Part p. 27 to 30. Command Who are deemed by our Opposers to have Power to Command Ordain and Appoint 1 st Part p. 6 7 8. See Church-Government Confidence The Qualifications of such as abound in Confidence without either Knowledge or Zeal 1 st Part p. 76.
a part 2d Part p. 85 to 92. Iews An Objection raised Whether they acted not from the Light within in Crucifying Christ An Answer to the said Objection 2 d. Part p. 9 10. Ignorant The way how the Ignorant have been Ensnared 4 th Part p. 32 33. Imposer See Church-Government Independency The written Words of a Publick Preacher insinuating as if the Tendency of some of our Spirits were down-right Independencies are treated on shewing That we are Principled to depend on the Sufficiency of God's Grace and not on Man c. 1 st Part p. 38 to 42. Infallibility As relating to Internal Things annexed only to the Spirit of God 2 d. Part p. 11 12. How Men endued with the Infallible Spirit are Deceived Fallible 2 d. Part p. 12 13. An Animadversion on this Sentence That the Church of Christ is Infallible and cannot Err 3 d. Part p. 13. Iniquity not distinguish't by our Opposers from Conscientious Scruples 3 d. Part p. 50 51. Innovation See Apostacy Innovators 3 d. Part p. 49. A Part of their Doctrine 3 d. Part p. 50. Iohn Story and Iohn Wilkinson Some concerned in drawing up Forty-Four Articles against them confessed under their Hands That 't is not any Personal Trespass against any of them that they charge Iohn Story and Iohn Wilkinson with nor any particular Concern of their own as Men that they are in the Defence of but the Cause of Almighty God and the Wrong they have done to him But yet some of us know and that from their own Writings that their pretended Wrong to God is a Slighting some of George Fox's Rule c. which in some of John Wilkinson's and John Story 's Opposers Sence are to be urged with Severity which is no less than an Enforcing on God's Faithful People 1 st Part p. 86 87 88 89. Iohn Wilkinson writ to some who of late were his Opposers That the Word of the Lord came to him the 20 th Day of the 6 th Moneth 1675. the Import whereof is That the Lord would break his Opposers and turn them one against another about their Orders if they Repent not 4 th Part p. 28. John Wilkinson and John Story their Accusers chuse Judges to Judge the Matters whereof they Accuse them 4 th Part p. 29 30. The Testimony of John Wilkinson and John Story in Relation to Five Heads from whence the Forty-Four Articles of Accusation were drawn up against them relating to Church-Government wherein they particularly bear their Testimony against Payment of Tythes 4 th Part p. 37 38 39 40. Isaac Penington his Testimony touching That Authority which Christ excluded out of his Church and Of the Danger of running into Religious Practices before led thereinto by the Spirit and Of receiving Things for Truths because others see them to be Truths and That the great Error of the Ages of the Apostacy hath been to set up an Outward Order and Uniformity and to make Mens Consciences bow thereto 3 d. Part p. 89 to 98. Iustification and Salvation through Faith in Christ owned and cleared from the Objections of such as have seemed to extend the Benefit of Christs Obedience unto Persons whil'st Sin is reigning in their Mortal Bodies shewing That though such as are in Christ are Redeemed from under the Law which consisted in Carnal Ordinances yet they ought to be subject to the Law of Faith which is accompanyed with Works of Righteousness wrought in Man by the Spirit of God 2 d. Part p. 61 to 71. K KIngdome of GOD Things relating thereto are revealed to the Creature but by one way viz. the Spirit though the Manifestation may be various viz. sometimes through Man or the Scriptures as Instruments and sometimes through Himself 2 d. Part p. 2 3 4. Knowledge without Zeal Some Part of the Fruits thereof discovered 1 st Part p. 73 74 75 76. The Want of Knowledge the Cause of a Perishing Estate and Bowing to Men 2 d. Part p. 25. The Meaning of these Words of the Apostle Knowledge puffeth up 2 d. Part p. 26 27. L LIberty and Forbearance in Robert Barclay's Sence refuted 3 d. Part p 80 81 82. Liberty of Conscience A Description wherein it doth consist 3 d. Part p. 17 18. What that Liberty of the Conscience is that is according to the Gospel In particular it admits of no Liberty to Sin 3 d. Part p. 86 87. Light of Christ What the Measure of it is and the Effects of Obedience to it 1 st Part p. 3 4. See the 2 d. Part p. 2 5 6 7 8. Those who this Day say We were taught to follow the Light in our Consciences and not the Orders of Men and That we will not have Men to Rule over us thereby meaning such Men as being in a Separation from the Establish't Religion by Law would yet be accounted Church-Governours over us utters Language becoming Christians And though Robert Barclay hath reflected on such kind of Language yet 't is proved to be Sound 3 d. Part p. 43 44. M MAgistracy Obedience Active or Passive due to it 2 d. Part p. 30 31 32. Master On what Ground and to whom the word Master is dis-used by us 2 d. Part p. 34. Meetings Some part at least of Nine Meetings for Worship of God in Westmoreland submit their Affairs without Restriction either to Temporal or Spiritual Affairs to Establisht Monthly and Quarterly-Meetings and Discharge the Separates so termed who are reputed to be of Party with John Wilkinson and John Story to concern themselves in their Affairs meaning as by the Scope of their Words appears the Churches Affairs 1 st Part p. 89 90. Such Submission may be by us reasonably taken to be in the Sense of such Submitters a Mark to know a Member of the Church at least in those Parts p. 90. And such their Discharge seems a Token of some Imaginary Authority and Designe of the Exaltation of One Man namely George Fox for which several Reasons are given in the Defamation of others and that the Name of Monethly and Quarterly-Meetings are but as a Conduit to convey it to him p. 90 91 92. See also what is written touching Monethly and Quarterly-Meetings in 1 st Part p. 11 12 13 14 and then consider whether 't is not wholly Irrational that such should assume unto themselves the Title of Church and on that Foot expect Submission p. 14. The Order in Collecting the Sence of such Meetings spoken of 1 st Part p. 14 15. And in what Sence the Counsel in holding such Meetings was embraced and the End thereof 1 st Part p. 15 16. Monethly Quarterly-Meetings of Men and also of Women distinct from Men not owned by us to be Established as a Part of Christ's Government 3 d. Part p. 8 to 14. Womens-Meetings distinct from Men how they came to be held and for what End 1 st Part p. 63 to 67. The General-Meeting hath usually consisted of uncertain Numbers of uncertain Qualifyed Persons 1 st
Part p. 7 8. See also the 3 d. Part p. 7 8. The General-Assembly of the Cburch of the First-Born 3 d. Part p. 74 78. Members of Christ's Body not certainly describable by Outward Marks and Tokens Outward Orders insufficient for their Conservation 3 d. Part p. 57 58. No Member of the Church of Christ one more than another is exempted from being lyable to err pag. 75 76 77 78. N Â O OBedience What kind of Obedience finds Acceptance what not 3 d. Part p. 26 33. See Church-Government Though the Obedience of Christ made many Righteous yet 't is no Proof that any were or can be made Partakers of that Righteousness whil'st Sin reigns in the Mortal Body 2 d. Part p. 67 68. Opposers From an Objection raised Occasion is taken to shew the Difference between Us and our Opposers though our Language relating to Principle and Practice in some things agree 1 st Part p. 30 31. Order of the Gospel is the Power of God and cannot be Establish't by Man 3 d. Part p. 25. Outward Orders The Establishers thereof under the Notion of Christ's Government Invaders of Christ's Prerogative 1 st Part p. 4. Reasons given why they are unsuitable to be accounted a Part of Christ's Government 3 d. prt p. 6 7 8 9 11 23 24. See 1 st Part p 6 7 8. See Church-Government P PErfection Every Gift of God is Perfect No such Perfect State attainable wherein 't is not needful for Man to Watch 2 d. Part p. 14. A Cessation from Sin attainable 2 d. Part p. 14 15 16 19 20. Persecution An Objection touching Securing Outward Estate in Time of Persecution Christ's Words to Peter and Saul's Action of saving Agag being instanced is Answered 1 st Part p. 30 to 36. Plain-Language On what Ground used 2 d. Part p. 34. Power of Decision of Differences by Robert Barclay's Words imports a Jurisdiction in such as he accounts the Church over Property 3. Part p. 35. Observations on the said Sence shewing the Inconsistency thereof with Truth 3 d. Part p. 35 to 41. Power to Bind and Loose is not from Christ's Words so far as from the Scripture we learn pleaded by the Apostles or any Assembly under the Notion of Christ's Church 3 d. Part p. 66 67. Principles Reputed by Robert Barclay the Bond by which we became Centered into One Body meaning Christ's Body the Church 3 d. Part p. 54. His Assertion and Argument refuted p. 54 to 59. The like he saith touching Practices and Doctrines p. 54. Professors of Christianity How they come to disagree touching some Religious Matters whenas whil'st they keep to Scripture-Language they agree in Principles termed Fundamental that are relative to the Matter wherein they differ 2 d. Part p. 69 70. Prophet Raised like unto Moses is Christ Jesus and no other is owned by us like unto Moses under the Second Covenant but Christ Jesus 1 st Part p. 10 11. Q Â R REign of Christ is by his Spirit in the Heart 3 d. Part p. 4. Robert Barclay An Answer to his Book of Government manifesting Erroneous Doctrines held forth by him 3 d. Part p. 15 to 88. The Chief Matters discours'd of in the said Answer p. 19 20 21 22 23. Robert Barclay's Postscript to the said Book by way of Epistle to Friends wherein he affirms That he never found Occasion to Repent or Retract any thing from the Matter and Principles there asserted by him And further also That though the Things chiefly scrupled at are as he saith cleared by Will m. Rogers his own Letter yet that all may be satisfyed by having them from his own Hand he was free to Write his Postscript William Rogers his Observations adjoyned to the said Postscript shew First That Robert Barclay Justifies his Book Secondly That the pretended Letter of William Rogers is by Robert Barclay acknowledged to contain Robert Barclay's Sence and Explication of the Matters scrupled in his Book Thirdly That his Postscript was writ that all might have his Sence of the Matters chiefly scrupled under his own Hand according to the Explications given in William Rogers his pretended Letter Fourthly That notwithstanding all this the Explications in the said Letter are not to be found in his Book nor yet all of them in his Postscript neither doth his Postscript and Book agree nor yet either of Them with Truth in many Things 3 d. Part p. 99 to 124. Rule See Church-Government S SAlvation of Mankind See Kingdom of God and Justification Sathan The Qualifications of such whom Sathan hath made use of to rend and divide the Church of Christ viz. such as have Zeal without Knowledge such as have Knowledge without Zeal and others that have abounded in Confidence without either Knowledge or Zeal 1 st Part p. 69 to 78. Schismes The Ground thereof and some Marks by which 't is known 3 d. Part p. 41 42. Scriptures may be an Instrument through the Spirit whereby Faith in Christ may be attained unto 2 d. Part p. 3 4. And albeit they have been owned by Us and our Antient Friends to be a Rule yet we have not owned them to be the Infallible Rule but instead thereof the Spirit And yet they have been of late streined by Robert Barclay to make them the Rule to rule over our Brethren p. 48 49 50 51. See Church-Government Sentences or Degrees of any Assembly though pretending themselves the Church in Matters relating to Conscience no Bond upon Believers without inward Conviction 3 d. Part p. 58 61 62. See Believers Sin See Perfection Spirit What is meant by this kind of our Opposer's Language viz. Dark Leaven'd Rending Dividing Separate Spirit 1 st Part p. 6. Spiritual Matters Cognizable by the Government held forth by Robert Barclay 3 d. Part p. 53. Swearing under the Gospel-Dispensation not Lawful in any Case 2 d. Part 37 38 39. Submission to any Assembly that in any tollerable Supposition may be termed the Church of Christ is so pleaded for by Robert Barclay as that Want of Sight shall not excuse being Guilty of Disobeying God 3 d. Pare p. 69. That Sence refuted his Perversion of the Scriptures cited discovered 3 d. Part p. 69 to 80. Supper of the Lord the Night before he was Betrayed p. 51. The Doctrine of Christ at that Supper Owned p. 51 52. Scripture reputed to relate to that Practice Explained p. 52 to 61. T TEstimonies In what Case these words Let th'Testimonies of Friends arise have been notoriously abused 1 st Part p. 18 19. Traditions See Church-Government Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil cannot properly be a Comparison to represent Knowledge that is Devilish or the Thing that is Evil 2 d. Part p. 28 29. Tythes no Gospel-Maintenance to a Gospel-Ministry 2 d. Part p. 40 to 44. U VNity Divers Things laid down wherein the Faithful were at Unity 1 st Part p. 2 3 4. In what Sence the Apostle exhorted thereto 1 st Part p. 36 37. Inconveniences attending this Doctrine no Unity but in Conformity 1 st Part p. 72 73. An Universal Establish't Unity with respect to Faith and Discipline relating to Believers in Christ by Outward Instruments is inconsisting with Gospel-Liberty 3 d. Part p. 82 to 86. See Believers The Mark of a Member of Christ's Church in Unity with the Body is an Inward Invisible Mark 3 d. Part p. 83 84. W VVArs not Lawful to be entred into by Us to work our own Deliverance from under Oppressive Laws and Magistrates 2 d. Part p. 30 31 32. Weak Believers may be Received to doubtful Disputations by assigning the Decision of Controversy to the Church since Contention may arise who or where they are 3 d. Part p. 59 60. Wisdom from Above and that which is not from Above is deseribed Wisdom which we have as Creatures is not that Wisdom which by the Apostle is termed Sensual and Devilish but is given us of God 2 d. Part p. 21 to 25. Women having received a Revelation to Utter in the Church may Speak Unruly Disorderly Women may be warned to be Silent even as it is their Duty so to be in the Church 3 d. Part p. 52. Works What sort are Necessary to Salvation and what not Works spoken of by the Apostle James are the same sort of Works spoken of by the Apostle Paul 2 d. Part p. 16 17 18 19. Writings for Publick View By whom Approved or else not to be Printed 3 d. Part p. 29 30 Reasons against the Method of such Approbation and Limitation 3 d. Part p. 29 30 31 32. X Â Y Â Z ZEal without Knowledge Some Parts of the Fruit thereof described 1 st Part pag. 70 71 72 73. Zeal according to Knowledge accepted by God 1 st Part p. 70. A Part of the Qualifications of such as are endued with it 1 st Part p. 77. THE Postscript following the Preface is added to clear the Truth as well as my self from this pretended Argument against my Printing viz. That I came up to London to read a Charge behind George Fox 's Back and That though I pretended a Readiness to Meet him I had no Desire thereto Which gives me Occasion to lay down several Observations and Reasons invalidating the pretended Argument together with a Letter written by Me to James Claypoole and Three other Friends in London to cover a Remonstrance to the Friends of London All on purpose that they might use their Interest to cause George Fox to submit to a Hearing that so if possible some Expedient might have been found to satisfy my Conscience otherwise than by Printing Which I acquainted them of as well as George Fox and that I intended to proceed therein unless so much Notice should be taken of my Call for Justice against the Reproachful Actions and Trespasses of George Fox as that he might be brought to a Hearing before Friends to the end that if Guilty he might give Satisfaction if not he might be Quitted There are also signified in the said Postscript several Things which are clear Evidences that George Fox would not assent to any Meeting for the aforesaid End Which coming to my Knowledge I was then free of all Concern to sollicite him more either by Word or Writing for a Meeting and had no further Bond upon me to forbear proceeding to Print as Expeditious as I could William Rogers