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A15419	Loidoromastix: that is, A scourge for a rayler containing a full and sufficient answer vnto the vnchristian raylings, slaunders, vntruths, and other iniurious imputations, vented of late by one Richard Parkes master of Arts, against the author of Limbomastix. VVherein three hundred raylings, errors, contradictions, falsifications of fathers, corruptions of Scripture, with other grosse ouersights, are obserued out of the said vncharitable discourse, by Andrevv Willet Professor of Diuinitie.	Willet, Andrew, 1562-1621.	1607 (1607)	STC 25693; ESTC S120028	176,125	240

absurditie herein appeareth that he alleadgeth this Cauillous Accusers testimonie more then twentie seuerall times against me as p. 5 6. most of all p. 35. that I condemne all the ancient Fathers for dreamers that I condemne all learned godly Divines that I falsly corrupt translate iniuriously handle abuse the Fathers that I straungely pervert belie depraue abuse the Scriptures and all this he taketh for truth vpon an aduersarie and euill willers report All which slaunderous accusations are I trust sufficiently answered in this defense vnto the which the Table annexed in the ende of the booke may direct the Reader that desireth further to be satisfied He might haue thought of the common saying Euill will neuer said true and if that vsual by-word sound to harsh in his eares aske my fellow if I be a theefe yet I may vse Hieromes words possem credere si vnus assereret nunc aut duo mentiuntur aut omnes if one honest man said it I could beleeue it but now either both lie or all as wel he that receiueth a false report and carieth it as he that first coined it is counted a gloser His falsitie he bewraieth in misreporting and peruerting diuers places by him produced as that I call the rules and principles of Religion which his Maiestie approoueth a foolish conceit and imagination p. 6. quoting Eccles. triumph p. 40. and again p. 31. he harpeth vpon the same harsh string that I call the Kings sentence that the Romane Church is our mother Church a foolish conceit and imagination whereas I affirme no such thing see mine answer p. 17. of this booke p. 10. he saith I speak of his Maiesties mother applying that saying of one to Augustines mother the child of such prayers and teares can not possibly fall away pref to Antilog whereas I speake onely of his Maiesties prayers and teares making no mention at all of his mother So p. 21. he chargeth me to say that all scriptures haue beene doubted of by one Church or other Synops p. 2. in which place no such thing is affirmed but onely diuers heretiks are rehearsed by whom one or other most of the Scriptures haue beene doubted of p. 27. that I should say that Vigilantius was condemned of heresie for denying Reliques to bee reuerenced Antilog p. 13. whereas my words in that place are these Some of these as they are imputed to Protestants wee denie to be heresies at all as that of Vigilantius that Reliques are not to bee adored Here no such thing is affirmed that Vigilantius was herein condemned of heresie P. 30. that I account the Councel of Florence a generall Councell Synops. cont 1. qu. 7. whereas I there vrge it onely against the Romanists as in their opinion generall for otherwise else-where I haue prooued that indeed it could not be a generall Councell the great Synode at Basil beeing at the same time assembled Antilog p. 61. P. 31. that I call the primitiue Councel of Neocaesarea Toletane the first and the sixt generall Councels the papal Church poperie c. Antil p. 88. 89. whereas I onely shew in that place that diuers errors decreed in all these Councels the first onely excepted whereof I make no mention at all there are allowed in the popish church see the place Such deprauing and wresting of sentences sheweth a badde cause and a worse mind in those that vse such beggerly shifts the truth neede not to be so defended and such false and deceitfull dealing will fall of it selfe without any confutation as Hierome saith non necesse habet convinci quod sua statim professione falsum est That need not to be conuinced which at the first is discouered of falshood Thirdly his impertinent allegations are these p. 10. to prooue by our owne testimonies that they which liue and die in the Romane Church may bee saued he vrgeth these words of mine that many renowned Kings and Queenes which professed the Romane faith are Saints in heauen Antilog p. 144. as if he should reason thus many ignorantly misled in those daies of darkenesse yet holding the foundation might through Gods mercy be saued therefore they which now wilfully resist the truth in the Romane Church in these daies of knowledge and erring in some fundamentall points may be also saued P. 24. to prooue by our confession that there is no true lawfull and iudiciall exposition of Scripture among the Protestants hee presseth these words that the reformation of religion belongeth to the iudgement and redresse of the Prince and yet he is not priuiledged from error Antilog p. 120. The argument followeth not for we neither referre the exposition of Scripture vnto the Prince nor hang religion absolutely vpon his iudgement but according to the word and wee interpret Scripture by Scripture which is the most lawfull sure and certaine way of expounding P. 30. propounding to himselfe to prooue by Protestants writings that the testimonie of the auncient Fathers is for the doctrine of the Church of Rome he alleadgeth this sentenee of mine quite contrary Antilog p. 263. the same faith and religion which I defend is taught and confirmed in the more substantiall points by the Historians Gouncels Fathers that liued within fiue or sixe hundred years after Christ. Who but this lawlesse disputer would inferre hereupon that euen by the Protestants own testimonie the Fathers and Councels make for the Romish religion Thus absurdly falsely impertinently this Popes penne-man wresteth and depraueth my writings and the like measure he offereth to the rest whose chiefe strength lieth in the weapons of a false brother at home And such is the fruite that commeth of these domesticall contentions that thereby we put a sword into the aduersaries hand whereas I could haue wished rather that al these vnnecessarie brabbles at home had beene staied according to that saying of Dauid Tell it not in Gath nor publish it in the streets of Askelon lest the daughters of the Philistims reioyce for by these vnbrotherly dissentions we giue occasions to the enemies of God to reioyce mispend our time which might more profitably be imployed And as for mine owne part I say with Hierome Opto sifieri potest si aduersarij siverint commentarios potius scripturarum quam Demosthenis Tullij s●ribere I wish if it may bee and if mine enemies would permit to write rather commentaries of Scripture which course I am now entred into then Demosthenes or Tullies Philippices And as for any thing which mine aduersaries at home or abroad can obiect I passe not much but comfort my selfe in that saying of the Prophet Reioyce not against me O mine enemie though I fall I shall arise when I shall sit in darkenesse the Lord shall bee a light vnto me ERRATA In the Preface p. 13. l. 17. read divulganda for divulgenda p. 21. l. 4. r. Erasmus Sarcerius for Erasmus Sarcerius p. 26. l. 13. r. denieth not f. deemeth not p. 27. l.

in the like case with Augustine Experti dicimus nam non crederemus multi à nobis mala consilia petunt consilia mentiendi consilia circumveniendi sed in nomine Christi nullus talis nos tentavit I speak saith he by experience otherwise I would not haue beleeued many doe aske of vs euill counsell counsell to lie counsell to circumvent but in the name of Christ none such hath tempted vs. Neither I hope hereafter your wisdome will giue passage or licence to such mens intemperate pennes to wound and gall their brethren yet had hee staied here onely in censuring the liuing and not proceeded to taxe the memorie of the dead it had been more tolerable that godly learned man Doctor Reynolds who is now at rest in the Lord is thus iniuriously handled by him and that since his Christian departure whereby grace may so happily worke in their hearts that where the truth hath beene heretofore frowardly excluded c. as though that worthy mā were either voide of grace or did frowardly exclude the truth nay he spareth not to charge him as guiltie of profane irreligious hereticall sacrilegious opinions of grosnes sophistrie profanenesse c. It is said of Themistocles that in his returne from battell seeing a dead body lying with iewels of gold hee thus spake to one that was with him Take thou away these things for thou art not Themistocles neither would this man if he had beene I say not of an heroicall spirit as Themistocles but of a sober and charitable spirit as euery good Christian haue stripped the dead of his well deserued ornaments in seeking to impaire his credit he doth but blemish and obscure his owne and sheweth himselfe to bee of those who as Hierome saith Hippocratis fomentis magis quam monitis nostris indigent had need rather of Hippocrates medicine then our admonition Now may it please your Reuerend Fatherhood to giue me leaue to offer vnto your view some of the principall contents of his booke by the tast whereof it will appeare what relish the rest haue by the smell of some of his flowers one may guesse what herbs grow in his garden as Hilarion said to Hesychius when a bunch of small pulse was brought them out of a Churles garden that hee could not abide the stinch thereof Doe you not feele saith he a filthy sauour and euen his couetousnesse to smell in the pulse So by this handfull which I shall gather out of his booke the euill sauour will be found of the rest 1. Hee much forgetting himselfe thus breaketh out beyond the limits of modestie charging me with folly hypocrisie falshood lying infidelitie impudency sawcinesse Machiauell sme Atheisme Heresie as particular instance is giuen in more then 80. railing speeches vsed against me and others so that I may say vnto him in Tullies words Neque qui tam illoto sermone vtitur vita honestior est It is not like that he which vseth such vncleane spech can be much honester in life 2. I haue obserued 22. slaunderous imputations wherof some are these that I would transforme the order of the Church into an Anarchie that their heads plot and their hands practise Babylonicall warre that he defendeth diuers things contrary to the truth of the Gospell that he iustifieth pestilent blasphemous heretiks against the learned and holy Fathers that he holdeth the flames of hell to be temporall that he called the blessed rootes of the Christian faith cursed rootes with such like 3. Instance is giuen of 34. vntruthes vttered by him As that he beleeueth I was one of those which writ the Letter to Master Hooker the writers whereof I knowe not to this day that I borrowe diuers things from Carlils booke which I neuer sawe that I fasten all the torments of hell vpon the blessed soule of Christ which I neuer thought that there is not one word through his booke that insinuateth any suspition of Limbus patrum whereas in the preface following the contrary is prooued directly in 20. seuerall places out of his booke 4. Among the errors which he is charged with to the number of 14. these specially are noted he iustifieth the Latine text against the originall Greeke in the newe Testament hee calleth the booke of Ecclesiasticus the word of God which the Church of England holdeth for one of the Apocryphall bookes artic 6. that the baptisme of infants is not to be found in Scripture by any expresse mention whereas the Church of England holdeth it to be most agreeable to the institution of Christ artic 27. He calleth these sound positions that the Scriptures alone are not compleate vnto saluation that mans will is naturally apt without grace to beleeue that mens naturall workes are acceptable to God which are directly opposite to the doctrine of the Church of England which holdeth the contrary that the holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to saluation artic 6. that man of his owne natural strength cannot turne and prepare himselfe to faith artic 10. that workes done before the grace of Christ are not pleasant to God artic 13. 5. Diuers harsh and vnsauorie speeches are laid vnto his charge as that hee applyeth those words of Christ to himselfe de bono opere lapidor I am stoned for a good worke that Christs conquest vpon the crosse was openly an ouerthrow and therefore no triumph if it were it was a triumph before victory that there is a most plaine distinction betweene the holy Ghost and Christ not in person onely but in his diuine nature These and the like assertions which he would haue tearmed blasphemies to the number of tenne are obserued out of his booke 6. Diuers points of arrogancy and vaine ostentation are obserued to the number of 13. whereof this is one that hee maketh his boast that my Lord of Winchester hath in his last booke much altered his iudgement concerning the place of Peter mooued by the reasons laid downe by me saith he and none but me wheras it is not true that that Reuerend learned father hath therein altered his iudgemēt at the lest it becam not him so to brag It might haue better beseemed the other if any such thing were to haue acknowledged it As August thus modestly writeth to Petrus a Bishop to a Presbyter Vellem rescriptis tuis quid te docuerit me docere absit enim vt erubescam à presbytero discere si tu non erubuisti à laico I would haue thee by thy rescript to teach me what taught you farre be it that I should be ashamed to learne of a Presbyter if you were not ashamed to learne of a lay man Further he chargeth the great English Bible which is authorised to be read in our Curches with error in the translation and with blasphemie in the annotations 7. Concerning the allegation of the Fathers I

the Orator againe saith Pergit in me maledicta congerere quasi vero ei pulcherrime priora processerint quem ego inustum verissimis maledictorum notis tradam memoriae hominum sempiternae he proceedeth still to speake euill of me as though he had sped so well in the former whome branded with the true notes of disgrace I will deliuer ouer to the euerlasting memorie of men The 2. imputation of slaunders The accusation 1. The Replyer is noted as a slaunderer because he chargeth the Antagonist to vnderstand directly by Christs death hell 2. b. p. 36. 2. He calleth it a slaunder that he is charged by the Replyer to maintaine Limbus patrum 2. b. p. 40. The satisfaction or iustification 1. THe slaunderer himselfe mistaketh the Replyers wordes which are these he directly by his death vnderstandeth hell where this word his should by the Compositor haue beene made this which missing of a letter in the word this is an ouersight of the Printer as may be seene in other places of the Replyers workes the Printer therefore setteth his death the Author wrote this death neither of them hath Christs death as he misreporteth he is therefore the slaunderer himselfe 2. Whether he be not without any slaunder or false imputation directly a Limbist it hath beene sufficiently prooued before in the preface The recrimination That eloquent declamer said well Carere debet omni vitio qui in alterum paratus est dicere he should himselfe be voide of blame that speaketh against an other with what face then could the Accuser impute that to others which he falleth into himselfe and wracke himselfe vpon that rocke which he imagineth others to runne against for here followeth a rabble of his slaunderous accusations 1. Limbomastix is become Symbolomastix that is a scourger of the Creede epist. dedic p. 10. you cunningly went about to casheere an article of the Creede 2 b. p. 166. you still labour to discreede this Article of our faith 3. b. p. 3. 179. you still labour not onely to discredit it but to discreede it also 3. b. p. 198. And in diuers other places he laieth this grieuous imputation whereas the Replyer directly saith Who denieth the article of Christs discension 3. b. p. 197. 2. That he conueyeth an appeale frō his Maiestie and the Clergie vnto the Parlament epist. p. 10. whereas the Epistle Dedicatorie to the Parlament house is directly intituled to the Lords spirituall and temporall 3. That in Synopsis he striketh at some maine points of faith shaking the foundation it selfe and calling in question heauen and hell the diuinitie and humanitie yea the very soule and saluation of Christ himselfe epist. p. 6. all which are meere slaunders the author of Synopsis holdeth all these points more soundly then this slaunderous carper neither shal he be able to fasten any such imputation vpon that booke and therefore he glaunceth ouer with this generall fiction descending to no particular 4. That the Replyer holdeth this blasphemous paradox that Christ our Sauiour suffered in his sacred soule the hellish horror and paines of the damned epist. p. 10. whereas he misliketh this phrase of speech that Christ suffered the paines of the damned and wisheth it to be forborne Synops. p. 974. err 7. 5. That he maintaineth impious and hereticall paradoxes pref p. 2. seeketh to bring in a new Puritane heresie p. 43. that neither Rhemist nor Romanist could lightly haue more disgraced the discipline and doctrine of the Church epist dedic p. 10. how falsly he hath herein slaundered the Replyer his writings alreadie extant can giue sufficient testimonie both to this age present and to posteritie that he is as farre from all heresie and popish doctrine as this Reviler is from a sober and modest man 6. That he falleth to scourging the guides and gouernors of the Church 2. b. p. 2. transformeth the order thereof into an Anarchie p. 29. that he reiecteth Ecclesiasticall authoritie euer repining at that gouernment whereby you should be ruled p. 110. But what a reuerent opinion the Replyer hath of the calling of Bishops it appeareth both by his iudgement deliuered Synops. p. 241. l. 3. wherein he confesseth in the calling of Bishops in the reformed Churches such as the Church of England is somewhat no doubt to be diuine and Apostolicall and Antilog pref to the King p. 9. where he esteemeth the calling it selfe of Bishops as one of the profitable parts of the Church As also by his practise who hath dedicated diuerse bookes vnto certaine reuerend Bishops and Prelates more I thinke then any one writer of the Church in this age hath done beside which he hath done onely of dutie and loue toward them not beeing mooued thereunto by any present fruition or future hope of any preferment either receiued at their hands or expected 7. As for personall inueighing against the writers of our Church there is none that hath more peremptorily directed his penne or more presumptuously emploied his paines then your selfe 2. b. p. 7. There is none among all the impugners of the locall discent of Christs soule to hell who hath in more disgracefull manner reproached some of the best Preachers and writers of this English Church then you haue done 2. b. p. 81. he falsly and slaunderously condemneth the doctrine and teachers of the Church for Popish vnsound corrupt erroneous yea hereticall 2. b. p. 29. you affirme some Popish bookes to haue beene written by Protestants 2. b. p. 54. All these are vncharitable slaunders 1. for he can not name one writer of the Church that the Replyer hath personally inueighed or directed his penne against 2. of like truth is it that he hath vsed reproachfull tearmes against some of the best preachers what are those reproachfull words where and when vttered 3. it is as true that he chargeth the doctrine and teachers of the Church with hereticall opinions and writing of Popish books he saith that some bookes set forth doe maintaine doctrine too much declining to Poperie which can not be denied of any of sound iudgement if these and the like positions that the Scriptures alone are not compleate to euerlasting felicitie that mans will naturally is apt without grace to beleeue that mens naturall workes are acceptable vnto God that there are workes of supererogation that to be preserued from all sinne in this life is not vnpossible and such like as they are noted els where be not doctrines too much declining to Poperie then it must be confessed the Replyer is ouerseene if they be then the wrongfull Accuser is prooued a slaunderer Doth he count these the doctrines of the Church which are directly opposite to the articles of religion established which thus affirme that the holy Scripture containeth all things necessarie to saluation artic 6. that man of his owne naturall strength can not turne and prepare himselfe

making the liuely sense and feeling of religion onely to appertaine to a Novice which is the very perfection of true knowledge and religion for a liuely sense presupposeth knowledge one may haue the knowledge and shew of religion and yet feele not the power thereof as the Apostle saith hauing a forme of religion but haue denied the power thereof in which number I feare me this enuious aduersarie is one But there can not be a liuely sense of religion without knowledge preceding as S. Paul againe saith I pray that your loue may abound yet more and more in all knowledge and sense 11. Slaund That the Replyer defendeth many things in that booke that is contrarie to the Gospel 2. b. p. 50. you conuince your selfe to be no Protestant in calling me an adversarie to Protestants p. 52. they haue neither friend nor faith left them p. 53. that some of his friends denie the Pater noster p. 76. if we must receiue no article of the Creede vnlesse it be expounded according to your sense of the Scriptures and your conceit of the Analogie of faith we may in time haue neither Creede nor Christianitie left vs. 2. b. p. 180. that he followeth prophane errour in hatred of the truth 3. b. p. 203. Vnlesse this shamelesse man were possessed with the spirit of lying and slaunder he would neuer haue laid vnto the Replyers charge to defend things contrarie to the Gospel to be no Protestant to haue no faith no Christianitie to hate the truth whose bookes if they had not more true diuinitie in one leafe then his rayling bundle in the whole packe and the author more faith and Christianitie in his serious meditations then the other in his deepest studies he would neuer set penne to paper againe nor looke any man in the face hereafter But I must here excuse my selfe with Tullie Iniuriae dolor facit me praeter morem gloriosum the sense of my wrong maketh me boast beside my wont 12. Slaund Your seldome excursions abroad against the common aduersarie can not excuse your often incursions at home against your brethren 2. b. p. 58. what will not a slaunderous tongue forge The Replyer calleth God and men to witnesse for the clearing of him in this point that he hath neither vsed often nor seldome incursions against his brethren making any challenge by name to any of them This whole Church can testifie with him that the most if not all of his writings certaine explanations of Scripture onely excepted haue beene directed against the common aduersarie of like truth is the marginal glaunce in the same place that two petitions were exhibited to the King the one with a 1000. hands the other with 1500. whereas I haue beene certenly informed and I doe verily beleeue that neither of them were subscribed with any hands at all Of the same credit is the next obiection p. 60. that the Replyer with others doe think themselues persecuted for the profession of the Gospel whereas leauing other mens complaints he most heartily thanketh God for that sweete peace which he hath enioyed in his ministerie which by Gods gracious assistance hath brought forth such fruits in the vse of his penne as he needeth not be ashamed of 13. Slaund Your words doe necessarily implie all the auncient fathers and all sound writers since together with all good Christians throughout the whole world to be popish and superstitious men c. for all these doe firmely hold the locall discent of Christs soule into hell 2. b. p. 82. Contra. 1. The Replyers wordes doe implie no such thing but the contrarie for these they are They which hold not the locall discent of Christs soule to hell should not condemne the other as prophane superstitious that are so perswaded Limbom p. 5. is not then he ashamed to inferre the contrarie that the Replyers words implie they are popish 2. The fathers opinion touching the local discent of Christs soule is farre different from his and in these fowre substantiall and materiall points 1. in respect of the place they hold he went not downe to the hell of the damned but to that part of hell where the fathers were 2. in respect of their persons that he descended not to the damned but to preach deliuerance to the fathers there detained 3. the ende is also diuerse they hold he went to deliuer 4. in the effect they differ for their opinion is that hell was emptied at Christs going downe thither and that returning from thence he brought an innumerable companie of captiues with him to this purpose Bellarmine alleadgeth aboue twentie Greeke and Latine fathers beside Councells 3. And are all sound writers and good Christians of his opinion then Calvine Bucer Beza Erasmus Sarcerius Marlorate Gasper Megander Oleviane D. Fulke D. Reynolds Sadeel Scultetus Vrsinus Bucanus with diuers others were in his blind opinion neither sound writers nor good Christians all which held the contrarie 14. Slaund That the Replyer was one of those that contradicted what reuerend B. Bilson taught concerning our redemption by the death of Christ p. 95. that he holdeth that the article of Christs descention is to be reiected out of the Creede as a new addition lately foisted into the Creede 2. b. p. 96. Contra. What will not now this malitious Accuser dare to say obiecting things as contrarie to truth as darknes is to light he might as well say that the Replyer holdeth there is no Christ nor God as accuse him to denie the redemption of mankind by the death of Christ and the article of the discension his prophane heart knew that his dissembling lippes wandring hand and erring penne consented here to make a lie 15. Slaund The fourth fault is horrible impietie in that you hereby condemne the soule of the Prophet Dauid to the very place of the damned Whereas 1. the Replyer saith in very direct words his that is Dauids soule was not at all in hell Limbom p. 24. how then is not the slaunderer ashamed thus to obiect 2. because the Replyer saith the not beeing or leauing of the soule in hell was as well performed in Dauid as in Christ Limbom p. 24. hence he doth inferre thus Dauids soule was not left in hell Ergo it was in hell whereas it is cleare that the Replyer by not leauing vnderstandeth the not beeing so our Sauiour saith to his Apostles Ioh. 14. 18. I will not leaue you comfortlesse will he hereupon conclude that they were comfortlesse but not so left 3. It is the accuser himselfe that is guiltie of this impietie that Dauids soule was if not in hell yet neare vnto hell for in these words of Dauid if the Lord had not holpen me my soule had well-nie dwelt in silence Psal. 94. 17. by silence he vnderstandeth hell in his sentence then Dauids soule was almost in

translations of the Bible which are vsed among vs as first beside his light regard of the Geneua translation calling them in scorne your Genevian translators 2. b. p. 131. and 3. b. p. 27. hee thus in most vile tearmes disgraceth them For your Geneva Bibles c. it is to be wished and I trust God will worke it in his Maiesties most religious heart that either they may be purged from those manifold errors which are both in the Text and Margent or else vtterly prohibited 3. b. p. 49. 6. Neither doth he thus deale onely with the Geneua translation but euen the great English Bible also authorized publikely to be read in the Church cannot escape his virulent censure as 2. b. p. 48. thus he saith I cannot conceale a foule intollerable corruption which is lately crept into a late edition of our Church Bibles And further thus peremptorily he proceedeth in condemning the said translation together with the notes for that diuerse of your Geneuian notes especially such as tend to the maintenance of that blasphemie of hell torments in Christs soule are foisted into the margent of the said Bibles and some other before them which you vrge as if they were the very word of God making them the pestilent premises of your blasphemous conclusions 3. b. p. 50. he meaneth the annotation Luk. 22. 24. he felt the horror of Gods wrath and iudgement against sinne and another Heb. 5. 8. beeing in perplexity and fearing the horrors of death Who can endure such presumption to heare our authorized Bibles charged with maintenance of blasphemie and pestilent premises of blasphemous conclusions But he goeth on still in this his arrogant inuectiue and taketh not onely exception to the marginall notes as 2. Cor. 13. 7. wherein though some ouersight might bee committed by the Compositor in transposing some notes hee had no reason thus sawcily to checke and controll the translation it selfe but further saith neither is the text it selfe free from error in translation and here hee noteth in the margin 1. Co. 9. 21. where al the exceptiō he can take is to these words when I am not without law as pertaining to the law of God whereas in the originall it is onely not beeing without law vnto God the Geneua translation readeth as pertaining vnto God where who seeth not that in the one translation these words as pertaining to the Lawe and in the other as pertaining are no part of the text but inserted by way of explanation and should bee written in other characters But against that other place Eph. 6. 12. I wonder with what honestie he can take exception seeing it agreeth exactly with the originall better then the vulgar latine which is such a pearlesse translation in his eie Wee wrestle not against blood and flesh saith the English as it is in the originall against flesh and blood saith the Latine against Princes saith the Latine against rules saith the English not rulers as some Bibles haue for the words are 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 against rules or principalities not princes or rulers 7. From finding fault with translations he ascendeth to carpe at the originall saying whether the Greeke now extant be the true authentike originall or no is the question and he saith further it is not free from corruptions in diuers places 3. b. p. 14. 8. He goeth on and secretly taxeth the fathers as first Augustine for he counteth it a badge of presumptuous singularitie and pernicious nouelty to reiect the generall confession he meaneth opinion or exposition of the fathers 2. b. p. 131. And yet Augustine hath a speciall interpretation of that place of Peter contrary to the current interpretation of most of the fathers of those times applying it to the times of Noah 9. Hee meeteth also with Bernard calling it absurd to apply descension to the graue 2. b. p. 155. whereas Bernard maketh direct mention of three descensions of Christ ad carnem ad crucem ad mortem to the flesh to the crosse to death which is to the graue so that Bernard also must be content to weare his liuerie of absurditie 10. Among these fathers may bee numbred the reuerend Prelates of the Church towards one of them yet liuing a reuerend writer and publike defender of religion he thus vaunteth himselfe That whereas he seemed in the first booke to incline to that opinion in Noahs time in the exposition of that place of Peter he is not so mislead with selfe-loue and singularitie as you and others are though euery way farre his inferiour but hath much altered his former iudgement moued as it may appeare vpon those reasons laid downe by me and none but me in the former booke 3. b. p. 101. wherein how vnmannerly hee vseth so reuerend a man who seeth not first saying by way of comparison that hee is not so mislead with singularitie c. as though he should be somewhat mislead that way but not so much as others secōdly he thinketh he hath his school-boyes in hand and would put that deepe learned father to schoole to learne his lesson of him thirdly his vanitie appeareth that hee and none but he hath hit vpon those reasons which changed the Bishops minde whereas in truth he hath borrowed the most of his reasons and testimonies from the other as may appeare by comparing their bookes together fourthly beside all this it is vntrue which he saith for that reuerend learned man is still of the same opinion concerning that place of Peter for these are his words I binde no man to my priuate exposition of the Scripture but rather stand on those places which haue the full consent of all antiquity to pertaine directly to this matter And againe I thought not fit to presse them when Augustine had once resigned them 11. But no maruell if particular fathers be thus taxed when he spareth not whole Churches as 2. b. p. 180. in saying The Orientall and Romane Church wanted this clause of Christs descension into hell sheweth a defect in thē no fault in the Apostles Creede But the truth is there was neither fault in the one nor defect in the other in the omission of that article then Thus he prowdly maketh the whole Oriental and Romane Church defectiue vnlesse he will giue Ruffinus the lie or Cyprian for vnder both their names that treatise goeth who so affirmeth that the article of the descension was not added of olde neither in the East nor Romane Church 12. He bringeth a scandall vpon the whole Church of England affirming that in the same there is dissention about substantiall points of doctrine for he misliketh and condemneth that defence of the Replyer against the obiection of the Romanists wherein he affirmeth that in the Church of England there is no difference in any substantiall point of faith and concerning the descending into hell giuē in instance by

the Iudasite whom he confuteth he answereth that the difference is not concerning the truth or substance of the article but the manner This answer this slie fellow reiecteth and would needs haue protestants dissent in substantiall points of faith for saith he the right sense meaning of the articles of faith is of the substance It is true that the substantiall sense of an article is of the substance but the sense which concerneth the manner is not of the substance as the sense or beleife of the articles that the world was created that Christ was crucified that the body shall rise againe are of the substance but how the world was created and in what forme Christ was crucified and how the resurrection shall be belongeth to the manner and is of curiositie rather to enquire then of faith And so likewise in the article of the desceusion that Christ descended no good Christian denieth and that is of the substance but how he descended is a question as euery boy Logician knoweth that belongeth to the manner 13. As he thus disgraceth the Church so he handleth the whole state of the common wealth thus vnreuerently and seditiously writing of the honourable assembly of the Parlament speaking of Limbomastix he saith published as the onely colourable meane whereby to conuay an appeale from his Maiestie and the Clergie vnto the Parlament in behalfe of himselfe and others then it followeth whereby such their Agents might worke as hee well kn●we were busiest in hindring the vnitie of the Church epist. dedicat p. 10. In the which words beside diuers vntruths as that the Replyer conuayeth an appeale from his Maiestie whereas there is no appeale at all and it was not fit in the dedication to ioyne his pearelesse Maiestie with his subiects beside from the Clergie there is no appeale the spirituall Lords beeing directly mentioned in the inscription of the dedicatorie neither doth the Replyer make any appeale for himselfe at all hauing no agrieuance he thanketh God Beside these manifest vntruths he most sawcily and malepartly which are his owne tearmes nay mutinously maketh the honourable Senators of the Parlament house busie bodies hindrers of the vnitie of the Church which presumptuous speech how that graue Senate will take at such a light base Cornercreepers hand I referre to their godly graue wisdoms to consider Thus in some particular and speciall instances we haue seene this vaine-glorious Thraso play his part vpon the stage hee spareth neither newe writers nor olde in his prowd censures neither fewe nor many neither inferiours nor superiours he giueth them all the checke mate I may here vse Augustines words Cernis quam tibi perniciosum fit crimen obijcere talibus quā mihi gloriosum sit quodlibet crimen audire cum talibus you see how pernicious a thing it is to obiect a crime vnto such and how glorious vnto me to heare of a crime with such This sheweth nothing else but his owne arrogant spirit thus to censure better men then himselfe hee speaketh of one in his rude discourse whose bookes in his opinion the Replyer should not be worthy to beare but he himselfe hath trampled vpon some with his fowle feete whose shooes for learning and pietie hee is not worthy to wipe Aristotle is said thus to haue taxed a prowd young man O yong man I would I were such an one as thou seemest to thy selfe to be but such an one as indeede thou art I wish mine enemies were Plutarch vseth this handsome and fit similitude The husbandmen doe better accept and more willingly behold those eares which hang downe their heads those that stand vpright they hold to bee light and emptie so humilitie is a signe of worth but hautinesse and arrogancy bewraieth lightnesse and vanity And so I ende this place with that wise saying of Euagrius 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 It is an vnworthy thing that he which can performe little should brag much And as vnseemely a thing is it for this ambitious humorist so to set others at light that is so emptie himselfe The 9. imputation of Contradictions The accusation 1. In that the Replyer maketh this the question that Christ descended not into hell to deliuer the Patriarchs hee saith you wound your selfe incurably 2. b. p. 4. for the former which euery Aristotelean knoweth must of necessitie be graunted before you can dispute of the l●tter 2. b. p. 3. and so in effect he chargeth the Replyer to affirme that which he denieth the descension to Limbus 2. That the Replyer doth in other places as earnestly maintaine it that is that Christ loosed the sorrowes of hel for himselfe as here you impugne it 2. b. p. 37. 3. These words nephesh and sheol say you doe properly signifie sometime soule and hell and doe also properly sometime betoken life and graue they cannot properly signifie both beeing two distinct things 2. b. p. 121. in other places you contend that these words may in no wise be taken for life and graue but for soule and hell onely this is the certainty you keepe 4. You affirme that no figure is to be admitted in these words soule and hell and yet you fall presently to figuring vpon figuring 2. b. p. 141. Hitherto you haue borne vs in hand that soule doth properly signifie life and that no figure at all is to be admitted and yet you here affirme that it is so taken by the figure Metonymia what grosse contradiction is this 5. Againe in another place you will needs haue this word soule not to be taken 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for the life but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for the whole person 2. b. p. 144. againe you say that soule is here taken for the whole person whereas a little before you contend by examples of scripture that in this place it signifieth life 6. In these two examples alleadged by you you graunt that the particles not and neither doe shewe a difference of the clauses diuersitie of matter c. because the greatnesse or littlenesse of a difference is but an accident c. and thus in wielding the weapon against me you wound your selfe with the blowe And yet after you haue yeilded thus much you presently reuoke it compelled thereunto by the euidence of holy Scripture and so conuince your selfe of falsehood in condescending to a truth 2. b. p. 163. 7. You contradict your selfe palpably in calling that Limbus patrum here which you called before in se●ting downe the question hel whereas you your selfe affirme in expresse words that Limbus patrum is no part of hell 2. b. p. 165. 8. Your selfe in the next page affirme directly that after that consummatum est vttered by Christ vpon the crosse his glory victory triumph remayned vnaccomplished wherein you doe not onely grosly contradict your selfe in saying here that Christ triumphed ouer death hell and